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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Formless on March 22, 2013, 07:34:08 pm
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Hey Guys,
While I got solid at this game there have always been 2 skills that I have never developed, kicking and chambering. I am looking for the best class (2h, pole, 1 hand, whatever...) the best build and the best weapon to learn chambering. Its a skill I always wanted to learn, but I always get caught up with just playing any suggestions?
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The easiest build to learn chambers with is a heavy armor 2h build. The problem is that you aren't encouraged to learn how to use kicks and chambers while playing 2h because you don't need to be good at the game to top boards with it.
As for a weapon, get one of the greatswords or one of the bastard/long swords.
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2h, fast weapon (bastard sword or something).
I'm not an expert at chambering, but I find this helps.
Using a slow weapon is really hard to chamber.
Facing against a fast weapon its hard to chamber as well.
EDIT:
When I asked in game how to be a 2h hero, and for some advice, this is the replies I got:
1. Never stop swinging
2. Block once and chamber everything else
3. Footwork and hilt-slash
Some of these might have been troll answers...but they actually helped! Never stop swinging, and then you are forced to learn chamber.
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Do it Wallace style. 39+ STR with 3agi, plate crutch and get a nice big war cleaver or something. you can survive lots of hits and if you don't learn to chamber you will get clubbed to death like a baby seal.
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I find 2h the easiest to chamber with. It also has the benefit of having two ideal sideswing animations, making chambers from both sides useful (polearm left swing chambers are atrocious, and 1h right swing chambers aren't usually difficult to block).
As far as build goes, 21/18 is probably good. Enough IF that you can survive missing a few chambers, and enough ath to allow you to move into your chambers (if you don't do this, then sideswing chambers are very easy to block).
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Chambering is a little different for each weapon class, so I'd suggest just learning with whatever you like using. However, chambering against 1h and 2h is easier than chambering against pole arms. Or fists.
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1h/shielder imo, because if you fail chambering, you can block easily.
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Just go to the duel server and ask somebody to train with you. Chambering is viable for every class and once learned can be used with any class. So it dsn't really matter which you choose to learn it. Dont try to practise it in the battle server to begin with though, just use the duel server.
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Just go to the duel server and ask somebody to train with you. Chambering is viable for every class and once learned can be used with any class. So it dsn't really matter which you choose to learn it. Dont try to practise it in the battle server to begin with though, just use the duel server.
That's good advice, you'll get the most practice.
WHen you want to try "real world" practice go to the seige server. That way you don't have to wait what seems like an eternity to respawn and try again if you mess up a chamber.
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Pick up a 2hander and go to duel server.
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I learned chamber with flamberge
In my opinion slow weapon are EXCELLENT to learn chamber... they are just not efficient with chambers!
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I suggest using a greatsword of some sort and doing a lot of s keying. This should force your opponents to make it easy to land kicks against, but also provide a long and slow weapon that makes chamber attempts easier.
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message me over pm if you want and i can help train with you on the duel server.
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Being trained by Chase himself... author of this thread is lucky ^^
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message me over pm if you want and i can help train with you on the duel server.
When he says train he means killing you for points.
I always had the impression that slower weapons had a larger chamber window, because their animation takes longer. But really just try it with any weapon on the duel server for a few hours.
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for evrithing other there is Barabe_BloddyDeath (aka Illusion)
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A slower weapon gives you a much larger time window to succeed your chamberblock afaik. Considering slow and long weapons (maybe a CT weapon) might be a good idea. As everybody said, use 2h and pump str.
Also try to learn chamberblocking without unlearning the rest. Chamberblocks also work when you were blocking right before you do them, usually people will see very fast that you try to chamberblock when you stand idle awaiting for their attack. So try first blocking in the right direction then attacking at the right moment in the same direction (might be awkward without inversed mouse movement attack settings).
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Instead of changing class just target hoplites and 2d weapons on the battle field.
That will give you a feel for chambering pretty quick. If you chamber accidentally reward yourself and you will see it happen more and more until you are doing like an ordinary block.
Target those with short weapons or use along weapon that way if you mess up a chamber you are out of reach anyway.
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Me and BADPLAYER trained to be good at chambering by both using the wooden Practice Longswords with plate helms and just using overhead swings. Do it enough and you can make it a fun game of trying to chamber the chamber over and over to see how long it goes for. This simple exercise makes chamber timing make way more sense, and with heavy armor and a weak practice sword you will be able to make plenty of mistakes.
If you don't have a buddy to practice with, just use a greatsword on random people in duel and try to chamber as your only offense or defense. Remember to step away from their swing to help your timing while you work on it.
Overhead chamber hoplite thrusts when you can on battle or anywhere.
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I'd say 2h as well.. suggest 24/15 build, a 90 speed sword should be fine. To increase the success rate you should turn into the enemy after successfull chamber, otherwise he will most likely just block it.
Hardest weapons/attacks to chamber for me are flamberge and glaive swings, 2h facehuggers and 1h leftswing.
Chamberblocks for stabs and overheads often fail, after successfull chamber because of turn limit - really annoying.
Me and BADPLAYER trained to be good at chambering by both using the wooden Practice Longswords with plate helms and just using overhead swings. Do it enough and you can make it a fun game of trying to chamber the chamber over and over to see how long it goes for. This simple exercise makes chamber timing make way more sense, and with heavy armor and a weak practice sword you will be able to make plenty of mistakes.
If you don't have a buddy to practice with, just use a greatsword on random people in duel and try to chamber as your only offense or defense. Remember to step away from their swing to help your timing while you work on it.
Overhead chamber hoplite thrusts when you can on battle or anywhere.
Had a training session with rasFrenzy recently, I think we managed to do like 15 successfull chamberblocks in a row with long spear while moving :mrgreen:
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Well, chambering isn't the same on different melee weapons. I can chamber with poles, but not with 1h or 2h. Each once has to be timed differently. Ofc, once you've learned the basic idea of it, all you have to do is learn to time it right on different melee types.
Not sure if someone already said this, cause I couldn't be arsed to read all the replies.
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A better question would be what to chamber against. Normal 2h swings are the easiest to chamber, followed by polearm thrusts and 1h attacks.
I personally find polearm swings difficult to chamber.
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I play primarily 1h/2h (recently, played all classes).
I'm more than competent at chambering. Beyond some already mentioned tips, theres different ways to learn. My buddy, Bacon, who I learned with, kinda simultaneously, would attack, and expect their attack in the same way and would swing in that way chambering. I rely on maintaining on mid range(for the weapon) and try and convince the enemy to attack me rather than attacking them. Attempting it on fast Agi based characters is hard and requires a shit ton of timing, and you might be better off using regular blocks and attacks.
As a 1h, with shield, it's harder to chamber as your Block to attack animation is slower so your window is harder to hit(but if you get it, it's almost guaranteed hit).
If you wish to learn, try all three class, go to duel, and REFUSE to block. Do nothing but chamber, work on timing(and footwork!). All of these are good for you to learn. If you're NA, I'll gladly help you out.
Chambers work wonders on 1h as they are often caught off guard. Against your average 2h player, they are miracles. You might not be able to beat them in a normal duel, but throwing out a chamber will knock them off their rhythm and often allow you to win duels.
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That is allot of good advice, much appreciated. Thanks guys, its a skill I always wanted to pick up.
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Just go to the duel server and ask somebody to train with you. Chambering is viable for every class and once learned can be used with any class. So it dsn't really matter which you choose to learn it. Dont try to practise it in the battle server to begin with though, just use the duel server.
Pretty much how I learned it, and it works with every class, too. The only thing you need to adapt to is different weaponspeeds, but that comes with practise.
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IMO the best way to learn chambering:
1. Go to tutorial in native, fight with trainer bot, learn chamberblock mechanics.
2. Go to nditions duel server, fight with bots there. Learn how your ping change timings of your chambers.
3. Go to crpg duel server, pick your favorite weapon and ask somebody to attack you at random moments(not constantly spamming, but sometimes just stand and suddenly attack).
4. Fight with random players, using only chambers. It is the hardest and maybe frustrating thing, because people will use fast fients, delayed attacks and footwork to kill you, but it's very good! It will teach you to keep all your attention on your opponent, you will learn when you can chamber and when you should reset your attack and block.
5. Try to implement chambering in your usual fight style, for example you can try to chamber every third or fourth attack of your opponent.
6. Repeat paragraph 3, 4, and 5. For example after you launched cRPG you can go to duel server, chamber random weapon attacks with your buddy, then do paragraph 4 and then 5, then again 4, then again 5...
7. Change your fight tactics so that you force enemy to do predictable, easy to chamber attacks.
8. Enjoy all QQ from some not very skilled players like "You just a stupid spammer!!11" or "Y u no look at all my fabulous macro fients and just kill me after my first swing?!?!? :'((("
Good luck, I hope this little guide, written in terrible english will somehow help you :D
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And a small advice; if you re playing on eu and if you re located on eastern europe or asia and have doomed ping, never try chamber block cuz you will fail.
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And a small advice; if you re playing on eu and if you re located on eastern europe or asia and have doomed ping, never try chamber block cuz you will fail.
I can chamber on NA quite consistently, you just have to adapt your timing and then it is pretty much the same.
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And if you do this a lot, then it will eventually become a thing of reflex for you, making you constantly die, because of attempting to chamberblock everything unconsciously.
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Would chambering work against someone who feints allot? So you try to chamber a feint knowing it is probably a faint, would the guy get hit before he can switch his feint to a real attack?
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Would chambering work against someone who feints allot? So you try to chamber a feint knowing it is probably a faint, would the guy get hit before he can switch his feint to a real attack?
Yes, chambering is a fantastic counter to someone who feints a lot. You'll either chamber their swing or catch them between feints for a hit. Exceptions are if you try to chamber their overhead when they feint into a side swing, because sometimes their sideswing will catch you before your overhead can land.
Also hold attacks are usually a good counter against someone who chambers, since a held attack has a much smaller window of time where you can chamber. If you have great reaction time it's still doable, but something to keep in mind.
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Would chambering work against someone who feints allot? So you try to chamber a feint knowing it is probably a faint, would the guy get hit before he can switch his feint to a real attack?
Fucking up overfeinters is one of the main uses of chambering, and then smile when they call you a spamming noob. Some feints are very fast though and can turn into another swing before your chamber attempt lands, but it is definitely a good idea to chamber someone who feints a lot.
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Chambering won't work against katana feints and other veeeery fast weapons - unless you're also using a katana or something.
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I learned how to chamber on my full strength build thrower.
1. Equip stones
2. Use nothing but stones and light armor
3. Get raped repeatedly
4. Eventually start chambering
5. chamber
6. chamber
7. chamber
8. chamber
9. be good at chambering
10. play on main and chamber
11. forget how to chamber
If I could play with a ping below 100 I'd probably try to kick more often too, but for now I'll just have to hold, feint and block until I die.
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Does the weapon you hold really matter when chambering?
I find it equally hard to chamber with 1h, 2h and pole. The faster it is the better ofc but that's it.
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It does, try to chamber swings with long maul for example, it works, but you need to be positioned well, otherwise you won't even see the animation :P
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Rondel lessons with frug frug.
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Weapon speed and wpf doesn't influence on chambers.
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Weapon speed and wpf doesn't influence on chambers.
:O
To NAs and other people that might be wondering, this guy is a definite authority on chamberblocking.
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:D I havent a clue what you guys are talking about :D
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:D I havent a clue what you guys are talking about :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L9jHcZjWw9U#t=129s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L9jHcZjWw9U#t=129s).
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:D hey thx Vodner, its a good vid.