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Title: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 09:50:59 am
What do you guys think is best?

9STR/31AGI with 10wm/10ath 2ps/1if
or
12STR/27AGI with 9wm/9ath 3ps/2if

At lvl 31.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Leesin on February 08, 2011, 09:57:05 am
Power strike is your friend. Personally, I wouldn't use either of those builds, but if I had to choose one it would be the 12 str build, can use better weapons and armour and has higher PS.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 10:20:39 am
Thats the thing tho all my equipment that I use only goes to 9STR
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: krampe on February 08, 2011, 10:23:17 am
I doubt that it will be successful, but feel free to share your experiences here ;)
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 10:36:27 am
I doubt that it will be successful, but feel free to share your experiences here ;)
Thats the thing tho im on lvl 25 with 9STR/25AGI 1ps/1if 8wm/8th and its bloody good apart from dieing so easily i really can just jump into a crowd kill some1 and jump out lol.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Cepeshi on February 08, 2011, 10:37:43 am
If you dont want to see a lot of bumps off armor, get more PS. When i would want to go spam spam, i would prolly go for 15str/24agi or something, converting loads among the way. (by loads i mean 4x2)
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: verinen on February 08, 2011, 10:57:27 am
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Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 10:59:41 am
If you dont want to see a lot of bumps off armor, get more PS. When i would want to go spam spam, i would prolly go for 15str/24agi or something, converting loads among the way. (by loads i mean 4x2)

So you rekon for 31 I should go with 12/27 - 3ps/2if - 9ath/9wm?
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Toldfield on February 08, 2011, 11:47:40 am
So you rekon for 31 I should go with 12/27 - 3ps/2if - 9ath/9wm?

uhh no, the 2 Ironflesh is completely pointless, if your going to wear light armour, you will get 1 hit so there is no point. my ninja agi build is the basic 9 str 30 agi with 10 wm 10 ath and 3 PS , it bloody rapes. i kill light armor normally 1 hit cos of speed bonus, mediums in 2 to 3, and heavy in 2-5 in my experiences.

if your worrying about dying so easily just stop being lazy and learn to block..
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Lerva on February 08, 2011, 11:59:29 am
I have polearms guy with 15 str and 27 agi at lvl 31 ;) Skills are 5ps 9ath and 6wm at lvl 31. and it works pretty nicely. :twisted:
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Torp on February 08, 2011, 01:15:21 pm
i assume you are using katana?

if it is a masterwork katana, you mgiht be able to do 9/30, but i doubt it will be very succesfull.

I had a 12/27 build before i retired with a balanced katana, and that i possible, and, imo, a good solution.
I only bounced once in awhile on guys like goretooth, but nothing important, and the dmg is good enough to kill medium armored ppl in 3 hits, and you'll be so much faster than plate users, that you'll be able to kill them easily.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Ache on February 08, 2011, 01:37:17 pm
15/24, 5 ps, 8 wm, 8 ath and ! 0 if !. This build is finished with level 29.
More agi is useless because wm 8+ gives you just very few wpf in 2 handed. (10 points for 1 wpf at 150).
Ironflesh is for prepatch tincans only  :D .
By the way, spam does not work  :rolleyes:
The first one without lags who is able to block a single attack will kill you.
For shields it is pretty useful, just run around them ^^
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Torp on February 08, 2011, 01:42:56 pm
no, you cant just keep attacking, thats right.
But with high agi and athletics you can, when you see a big-ass axe wielder holding n attack, hit him almost before he releases his attack, and then go out of range. Keep doing that and you'll win
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: ManOfWar on February 08, 2011, 02:04:31 pm
you cant spam high lvl characters with any build, period
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 03:20:33 pm
i assume you are using katana?

if it is a masterwork katana, you mgiht be able to do 9/30, but i doubt it will be very succesfull.

I had a 12/27 build before i retired with a balanced katana, and that i possible, and, imo, a good solution.
I only bounced once in awhile on guys like goretooth, but nothing important, and the dmg is good enough to kill medium armored ppl in 3 hits, and you'll be so much faster than plate users, that you'll be able to kill them easily.
Yep I made up my mind know anyway, going to go for 12/27 0IF/5PS/9ATH/9WM.
That will have to be next gen though as I got 9/26 know with 1IF :S
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Yaron on February 08, 2011, 03:22:35 pm
If you want to be successfull then do some useless stuff like 9/30 or 12/27 ... or whatever. Spamming just doesnt work the most time, and even if it works once - it usually doenst work after your enemy got hit by you once due to spamming (and well, you wont 1 hit anyone excepting peasants ...) ...
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Torp on February 08, 2011, 03:28:55 pm
you cant go 5 ps with only 4 str... just fo info.

So you'll go 12/27
4 PS
9 athletics
9 WM
1 IF

which you CAN do now
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: ThePoopy on February 08, 2011, 03:35:12 pm
omfg, so much noob spammers, getting agi and stuffs
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Vexus on February 08, 2011, 03:57:02 pm
If you want to be successfull then do some useless stuff like 9/30 or 12/27 ... or whatever. Spamming just doesnt work the most time, and even if it works once - it usually doenst work after your enemy got hit by you once due to spamming (and well, you wont 1 hit anyone excepting peasants ...) ...

You sure?

Maybe not 1 hit but 2 hit is easy with many of the 2h having low requirements, some examples:

Dadao, long iron mace, nodachi and with 13 strength you have much more choices too like morningstar or mallet.

Thats why requirements should be tweaked since some have very low requirements for their damage.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Xant on February 08, 2011, 04:02:44 pm
Yes, more spam builds. Block 'em once and 1 hit them.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 04:30:16 pm
you cant go 5 ps with only 4 str... just fo info.

So you'll go 12/27
4 PS
9 athletics
9 WM
1 IF

which you CAN do now
is this build possible? 12/27
7 PS
9 Ath
9 WM
0 IF

because at lvl 31 I will have
12/28
4 PS
9 ATH
9 WM
1 IF
+ the 2 skill points changed into attribute which is not needed.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Xant on February 08, 2011, 04:31:00 pm
You need 21 strength for 7 PS...
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 04:43:48 pm
ok so what about
9/30
3 PS
2 IF
10 ATH
10 WM
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Xant on February 08, 2011, 04:49:47 pm
Well, your hits are going to hurt about as much as a mosquito bite, but go for it.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 04:56:06 pm
well its either that or
12/27
4 PS
3 IF
9 ATH
9 WM
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Vexus on February 08, 2011, 04:58:11 pm
I have an alt that was going for 12 str 27 agi which I would still make it like that if there wasn't 90% of the people using ranged weapons that 1 hit or almost every were.

Atm it's 12 str 24 agi and after many thoughts I finally decided to make it 15 str 24 agi cause honestly after 6 athletics rising it higher you won't see much difference with light gear but having medium armor you will still run very fast which I like.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Xant on February 08, 2011, 05:03:06 pm
well its either that or
12/27
4 PS
3 IF
9 ATH
9 WM

12/27 is better, but it's still a gimmick build. 18/21 or 21/18 is the way to go, but for spamming purposes I guess that's OK..
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Ache on February 08, 2011, 05:27:27 pm
no, you cant just keep attacking, thats right.
But with high agi and athletics you can, when you see a big-ass axe wielder holding n attack, hit him almost before he releases his attack, and then go out of range. Keep doing that and you'll win
Keep doing that and you are FUCKED  :D
With a katana (Torp's weapon) u get outranged by his 2m long onehit axe, and as soon as you try to reach him he walks a few steps back and his mighty axe divides you into 2 pieces.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on February 08, 2011, 05:35:36 pm
I have an alt that was going for 12 str 27 agi which I would still make it like that if there wasn't 90% of the people using ranged weapons that 1 hit or almost every were.

Atm it's 12 str 24 agi and after many thoughts I finally decided to make it 15 str 24 agi cause honestly after 6 athletics rising it higher you won't see much difference with light gear but having medium armor you will still run very fast which I like.
I dont no what ur on about but the speed from 6 - 10 is massive
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Vexus on February 08, 2011, 05:40:43 pm
My alt has 8 athletics and I didn't say there is no improvement it's just not that noticeable.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Ganon on February 08, 2011, 06:00:35 pm
Good more spammers to 1hit while running by. I was missing this scenario. Now let me level up to 31 again (damn i really hate chadz).
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: bruce on February 08, 2011, 06:19:30 pm
I love chars which get one-hit killed.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Vicious666 on February 09, 2011, 07:32:28 am
i love squishy ninja
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Garrus on February 09, 2011, 06:09:59 pm
if you really want to spam like hell, and you don't want duel much but killing ppl in a short way, try to get a damage which kills ppl in 1 hit, which is -based on my experiences- 7 ps and above. I had a 27str/15agi/9ps build in my previous generation, that was a tank, but as you get less agility and less athletics, your dodging abilities go lower, but that is important if you want step into your opponent's face and kill him, so if your athletics is too low, then your movement is easier to track and you can get trapped. You can have even 9001 damage.

For example:
one of my "spammer" tactic is to try to predict when my opponent swings, then I start moving into the range of my weapon right after his swings went by.
It needs a bit of skill, you have to have a feel about weapons' length, have to know your speed well to know what distance can you reach in a short duration, need some experience how the common player plays the game, trying to be unpredictable, etc. So, if you enter attack range right after he could not cancel his attack, you have a free hit. If you can't move fast enough to do this, then I say you can barely play an offensive role (spammer, as you call charging, offensive ppl). Its not the same case killing a piker or a turtle or throwers, etc. You are simultaniously watching multiple targets, and if you would start bothering with one of them in a battle for a long time, what do you think, the other x target will leave you "with honor:)" ? Learn to not waste time.

I have now a 21str/18agi/7ps, that fits my need cause I would like to duel as well, so I have to hit back multiple times to the same enemy in some cases, advantage is that I cause a bit chaos among opponents, who thinks his teammate will disappear when he swings (this causes a lot of TeamKills, ppl wanna hit through mates). Imho its harder to play in the "spammer" way. But if you call "spammer", who is continously swinging.., then thats gay. You see what is he doing, you lift your block, and walk into his face keeping your block, in a generic case the second guy stops that noob. Peasants with masterwork hatchet are more dangerous:)

That is the two opinion what spammer means afaik, but what matters is that what is the "spammer" doing exactly, not what you see as an observing beginner, therefore I wouldn't use the word in this game, missleading for beginners. Anyway, I don't suggest this playstyle for first, cause you need some things to be in your fingers, or it will be only random swing-swing, and you end up in the noob-spammer category :)

only thing that matters is to have fun, enjoy what you do, use the game for what is for, entertain, or it will only push you down. (also continously random swinging can be fun, when you are drunken, you can also write a macro for your mouse driver to keep swinging left-right-left-right-up-up-left-...). If you buy warband once more, you can even risk cheating.. its your decision.. but then I would cut your throat:P And I like watching blood.. mmm

[ofcoz I didn't write here all things you need, especially I tried to give you as less information as possible. Maybe tomorrow I will think that this post of mine is absolutely wrong. Would be silly to use my time to improve others, because meanwhile I could improve myself, and I don't thing that I'm near my goal... Like when you wanna tell somebody what are your driving experiences: you try to tell him everything, but he won't get a big part of that things until he doesn't experience it on his own, and he goes into ugly situations. Im sure more than 62.3% of ppl would find a reason why is my playstyle wrong, what I can't or what am I able to do, what are my limits, etc. But I'm enjoying it, and on the day when everybody start behaving in the way that I like, then will I change my behavior :P, not before ]

I hope your eyes flew out during reading this whole post. sorry for accidental and intentional missleadings.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Garrus on February 09, 2011, 06:15:39 pm
oom, I really typed so phucking much, and everybody else wrote only those bunny-penises ?  :? When will admins implement to let thread starters be able to mark replies "Hidden", so those ones appear in one line with an expand button and only with a "hidden post" string in title to easily get rid of trolls and boring-posts ? Both makes not much sense, but you can read them if you want. You should be able to enable or disable "auto expand hidden replies" in your forum setup. That would be cool, and I should have write this to suggestion thread but I'm lazy and hope sy else does it. peace
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: dontgothere on February 09, 2011, 06:42:40 pm
Awesome post, Garrus!  :)  Thanks!
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Kong Ming on February 10, 2011, 08:51:47 pm
If by "spam" you mean your goal is to make an extreme AGI build, don't bother with IF at all.  Someone else mentioned it and they're right.  IF isn't worth the points unless you're going to wear heavy armor.  I have an alt that is:

10/30
3 PS
10 Ath
10 WM
1 Shield

With this I can use several different 2hands that are interesting: katana, spiked mace, bardiche, etc.  The shield point is a better dump than IF to get something useful against archers/throwers.
The speed is downright absurd and in chain armor I can withstand a hit or two.  There is a LOT of parrying involved though.  Spiked mace has proven my favorite for it's great speed, good blunt damage, and knockdown to boot.  Parry to get in close and then use your massive Athletics to footwork like mad and swing faster than they can see what's coming.  Fairly entertaining.

Also, someone said more AGI isn't worth it since wpf costs increase so much now.  Don't forgot that AGI alone is .5% weapon speed per point.  That's enough for extra AGI even without the skills tied to it.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: Banok on February 10, 2011, 10:03:43 pm
wpf is virtually capped at 150 so more than 5 wpf is useless unless you are hybriding.  high althletics is also pretty useless, unlike high powerstrike which owns.

one of my chars:

(click to show/hide)
if I ever make it to retirement I wont be stacking agility that high again its pretty useless.
Title: Re: Spam build
Post by: IRunUDie on March 01, 2011, 09:00:37 pm
wpf is virtually capped at 150 so more than 5 wpf is useless unless you are hybriding.  high althletics is also pretty useless, unlike high powerstrike which owns.

one of my chars:

(click to show/hide)
if I ever make it to retirement I wont be stacking agility that high again its pretty useless.

I dissagree as I my build now is 12/27 with 4ps/4if/9wm/9ath using nodachi i really do make alot of kills, I was using my temepered katana with that build and i didnt really do anything at all. I think that WPF being so high helps alot.
if you really want to spam like hell, and you don't want duel much but killing ppl in a short way, try to get a damage which kills ppl in 1 hit, which is -based on my experiences- 7 ps and above. I had a 27str/15agi/9ps build in my previous generation, that was a tank, but as you get less agility and less athletics, your dodging abilities go lower, but that is important if you want step into your opponent's face and kill him, so if your athletics is too low, then your movement is easier to track and you can get trapped. You can have even 9001 damage.

For example:
one of my "spammer" tactic is to try to predict when my opponent swings, then I start moving into the range of my weapon right after his swings went by.
It needs a bit of skill, you have to have a feel about weapons' length, have to know your speed well to know what distance can you reach in a short duration, need some experience how the common player plays the game, trying to be unpredictable, etc. So, if you enter attack range right after he could not cancel his attack, you have a free hit. If you can't move fast enough to do this, then I say you can barely play an offensive role (spammer, as you call charging, offensive ppl). Its not the same case killing a piker or a turtle or throwers, etc. You are simultaniously watching multiple targets, and if you would start bothering with one of them in a battle for a long time, what do you think, the other x target will leave you "with honor:)" ? Learn to not waste time.

I have now a 21str/18agi/7ps, that fits my need cause I would like to duel as well, so I have to hit back multiple times to the same enemy in some cases, advantage is that I cause a bit chaos among opponents, who thinks his teammate will disappear when he swings (this causes a lot of TeamKills, ppl wanna hit through mates). Imho its harder to play in the "spammer" way. But if you call "spammer", who is continously swinging.., then thats gay. You see what is he doing, you lift your block, and walk into his face keeping your block, in a generic case the second guy stops that noob. Peasants with masterwork hatchet are more dangerous:)

That is the two opinion what spammer means afaik, but what matters is that what is the "spammer" doing exactly, not what you see as an observing beginner, therefore I wouldn't use the word in this game, missleading for beginners. Anyway, I don't suggest this playstyle for first, cause you need some things to be in your fingers, or it will be only random swing-swing, and you end up in the noob-spammer category :)

only thing that matters is to have fun, enjoy what you do, use the game for what is for, entertain, or it will only push you down. (also continously random swinging can be fun, when you are drunken, you can also write a macro for your mouse driver to keep swinging left-right-left-right-up-up-left-...). If you buy warband once more, you can even risk cheating.. its your decision.. but then I would cut your throat:P And I like watching blood.. mmm

[ofcoz I didn't write here all things you need, especially I tried to give you as less information as possible. Maybe tomorrow I will think that this post of mine is absolutely wrong. Would be silly to use my time to improve others, because meanwhile I could improve myself, and I don't thing that I'm near my goal... Like when you wanna tell somebody what are your driving experiences: you try to tell him everything, but he won't get a big part of that things until he doesn't experience it on his own, and he goes into ugly situations. Im sure more than 62.3% of ppl would find a reason why is my playstyle wrong, what I can't or what am I able to do, what are my limits, etc. But I'm enjoying it, and on the day when everybody start behaving in the way that I like, then will I change my behavior :P, not before ]

I hope your eyes flew out during reading this whole post. sorry for accidental and intentional missleadings.
Yes thanks alot for your massive book it has helped me to decide on my build :P