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Add knockdown effect to a kicker who gets hit while executing a kick?

Yes
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[Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« on: July 10, 2013, 10:19:25 am »
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So what about letting a kicker who gets hit during a kick get a knockdown. It might work with a minimum amount of raw damage(20?) as a threshold or a minimum amount of real damage(5?). Either way if you get whacked while kicking you land on your ass. Any objections?

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 10:20:55 am »
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Is this a rageball thing?

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 10:21:15 am »
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no

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 10:27:19 am »
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Unless they could block while being knockdowned this is a bad idea, even then it isn't that good, dodging kicks isn't that hard, and even wellplaced perfectly timed kicks can be jumped over (or if you're a decent kicker, chamberkicked), anyone claiming kicks are overpowered atm needs to seriously learn how to play. This is coming from someone who pretty much never kicks ingame.
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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 10:31:21 am »
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Voted no because knockdown is very powerful and already too common. Besides kicking already opens the defense and it's risky enough. But getting hit during the kick should at least cancel it.

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 10:54:46 am »
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This sounds both realistic (hey, you are standing only on one leg, after all!) and promising to lower that kicking madness, which is NOT Sparta and even takes place when there is NO brick-built hole without practical purpose around. Which is blasphemy.

Edit: perhaps knockdown is too much, but a negative effect should be implemented. Perhaps a long Paulstagger oder something like that...
« Last Edit: July 10, 2013, 11:34:16 am by Joker86 »
Joker makes a very good point.
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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 10:57:41 am »
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No.

Because no..

When i get kicked, its my own fault of shitty footwork.

I dont see kicking to be that OP, unless you dont pay any attention while fighting, i cant see why you should punish a well landed kick  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: July 10, 2013, 11:01:08 am by Tzar »
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2013, 11:19:42 am »
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kicks are broken as fuck.. but i dont think this is the right solution... especially since the people who are most getting raped by kicks have gimped short reach weps that prolly wont do enough damage to knock the kicker down anyways. just change the kick back to the same as native... but without blocking.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2013, 11:23:35 am by Matey »

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2013, 11:26:14 am »
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kicks are broken as fuck.. but i dont think this is the right solution... especially since the people who are most getting raped by kicks have gimped short reach weps that prolly wont do enough damage to knock the kicker down anyways. just change the kick back to the same as native... but without blocking.
Your footwork must suck hard, like, really hard.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2013, 11:33:04 am »
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I hardly ever use kick and get kicked very, very rarely. Most of the times when somebody wants to kick you you can read this from his movement anyway, also when I play with short weapons its no problem. Some people are really good at kicking but implementing this because there are a few good ones would be a bit harsh

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2013, 11:50:13 am »
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Your footwork must suck hard, like, really hard.

try playing as a 1h against someone who knows how to kick. also, if i only think kicking is OP cause my footwork sucks... then the best player in cRPG also has shitty footwork since he told me that kicking is one of the primary reasons he has given up on 1h.

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2013, 11:54:58 am »
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-1 because paul


This is just a bad idea. Some of the game mechanics are fine as they are now, kicking is one of them.
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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2013, 12:08:21 pm »
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then the best player in cRPG also has shitty footwork since he told me that kicking is one of the primary reasons he has given up on 1h.

How can he be the best player then?  :lol:

And no @ topic. Knockdown grants you an extra hit which doubles the dmg already (if knocked down by a weapon). A failed kick shouldn't be punished imo. Usually its being punished already as people are often fast enough for a hit in most cases.
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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 12:17:20 pm »
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try playing as a 1h against someone who knows how to kick. also, if i only think kicking is OP cause my footwork sucks... then the best player in cRPG also has shitty footwork since he told me that kicking is one of the primary reasons he has given up on 1h.
I play 1h about 50% of the time, 90 reach weapon, low armor and str rating, I've not had a very hard time with any of the EU kickers, including the best ones. Take some fucking precautions, don't facehug at predictable times or for longer periods, even with a freaking rondel dagger you can rightswing someone without being in kicking reach, and when you think someone will try to kick you, jump and swing.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: [Suggestion]Knockdown for wounded kicker
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2013, 12:22:18 pm »
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I think chamberkick is enough!
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