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Title: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: LordLargos on February 20, 2013, 07:52:45 am
A little birdy is the anyomous person who feed kesh information uncovering corruption between numerous admins.
It has come to my attention that all this drama needs it's own thread. If this thread is removed I will be extremely unhappy and write them a strongly worded essay.
Numerous admins including Canary and most of all Smoothrich have come under fire for corruption and admin abuse over the past couple days after chat logs were released. As canary has at least been somewhat reasonable with his admin rights I believe disciplinary actions taken by the devs(not head admin shik, come on shik at least try to look like you are doing your job) would be an appropriate punishment.
Now as for Smoothrich I cannot say the same, he has acted like a troll time and time again. You cannot be an admin and a troll it's got to be one or the other everyone knows that. Smoothrich also uses his admin powers to aid him in strat, he conveniently banned Kesh (commander) and Vic (MVP in the previous siege) right before an FCC plate army attacked one of Smoothrich's citys. Smoothrich has expressed his hate for kesh before on numerous action in places from battle briefings to forums to pub chat, infact he deleted an entire roster (hero party vs hero party) 3mins pre-battle leaving only kesh on one side and him on the other. The community was outraged at this display of (insert insult here). Smoothrich also allowed his soldiers (mercs under his command shoot out of stairway and then hide in the stairway to reload and repeat. This is considered exploiting, these players should've promptly exitited the stairway promptly within reason. They did not do this though and Smoothrich did absolutely nothing to stop them, if FCC were to do the same surely the members would be kicked or even banned.
I do realize my side of the story might be biased and I would like to hear Smoothrich's side of the story, I'd go as far as to do a teamspeak interview in Anders ts as this is a very controversial topic and it's about time for "Dateline c-rpg edition"
If you do accept to the ts interview we will have to negotiate scheduling oh and Anders can I use your ts?
P.S. sorry for all mistakes it's late.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 08:04:03 am
P.S. Witchcraft thought it might be canary when we first started getting posts from a "a little bird."  I don't think he is actually in your list though and cyclopsided used to be in our faction and is an admin.  I don't know who it is, but I am mighty curious (though it could all be just a trick of smoothrich, he does like to troll you know).
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: LordLargos on February 20, 2013, 08:18:38 am
Point taken, I put them in.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Artyem on February 20, 2013, 08:53:25 am
P.S. Witchcraft thought it might be canary when we first started getting posts from a "a little bird."  I don't think he is actually in your list though and cyclopsided used to be in our faction and is an admin.  I don't know who it is, but I am mighty curious (though it could all be just a trick of smoothrich, he does like to troll you know).

I was in TS with "a little birdy" and heard him speak, it did not sound like Canary and I only know Smooth's voice from the BIRD CLAN anthem, and I don't believe he was European.

Take that into consideration, still very controversial.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Kelugarn on February 20, 2013, 09:27:58 am
I was in TS with "a little birdy" and heard him speak, it did not sound like Canary and I only know Smooth's voice from the BIRD CLAN anthem, and I don't believe he was European.

Take that into consideration, still very controversial.

It's like a Who Done It mystery-thriller, but cRPG NA Drama edition. I love it. We need someone to over analyze all the evidence and then draw an astounding conclusion that polarizes the community.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Casimir on February 20, 2013, 04:16:13 pm
wild speculation will definitely help to solve this problem...
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: LordLargos on February 20, 2013, 04:23:16 pm
It's like a Who Done It mystery-thriller, but cRPG NA Drama edition. I love it. We need someone to over analyze all the evidence and then draw an astounding conclusion that polarizes the community.
Oh I am pretty sure I know who it is but I'd rather keep it a secret.
Hint: the person who is feeding information has an E in their name or description on the poll.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 04:23:37 pm
Apparently it doesn't really matter anymore.

It doesn't matter anymore, the multiaccounting ban was confirmed (although it was handled in the wrong way and Smoothrich already lost his admin over it).
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 04:24:54 pm
wild speculation will definitely help to solve this problem...

Well i just found out the other day they banned vick on wild speculation he was the mole, nvm he was one of our top fighters, a decent guy who probably would never do what they are accusing him of, and he was about to attack smoothrich's fief with 2200 troops.  Wild speculation is what they are doing.  I have no idea who was the guy who came to our ts under an alias, but once again i'm permanently globally banned because "wild speculation" that i might know.  I know a lot of people losing faith in this community of admins and developers with how this whole debacle is going down.

Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: LordLargos on February 20, 2013, 04:39:01 pm
Oh yeah, well I just found out Smoothrich lost his admin powers.(as of 1 hour ago)
Oh wait that's what Egan just said,whoops anyways froyo you're in charge of the parade.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 05:32:44 pm
Oh yeah, well I just found out Smoothrich lost his admin powers.(as of 1 hour ago)
Oh wait that's what Egan just said,whoops anyways froyo you're in charge of the parade.

No Dateline investigation special with Anders now?
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Tuetensuppe on February 20, 2013, 05:34:15 pm
what about our Supreme Overlord? why not the donkey?
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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Molly on February 20, 2013, 05:50:28 pm
what about our Supreme Overlord? why not the donkey?
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Jesus Tuete, learn how to post a pic on the internet...  :mad:

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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Lt_Anders on February 20, 2013, 05:53:46 pm
No Dateline investigation special with Anders now?

Aw thanks!
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 20, 2013, 06:41:51 pm
I didn't mean to accuse canary! It was a bird joke. You know how much he loves those.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Emotion on February 20, 2013, 06:45:59 pm
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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Thax on February 20, 2013, 06:48:16 pm
What I find extremely funny about the whole thing is that Kesh busted himself....he just couldnt keep straight which account he was on when he emotionally responded to someone on the forum. The multi accounting was confirmed by cmp once he looked into it. Im just glad that Kesh was dumb enough to post on trillians account enough times to finally initiate an investigation into the matter.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 20, 2013, 07:10:31 pm
What I find extremely funny about the whole thing is that Kesh busted himself....he just couldnt keep straight which account he was on when he emotionally responded to someone on the forum.


The irritating thing is, when you live with people who sometimes share the same devices, you sometimes forget to check who's account you are on when using forums, from personal experience. Hell, I've even logged into someone else's account for a game once and stared in confusion at the character selection screen for a good solid ten seconds thinking "Who the hell is this? Who the hell is that?" *Eyes drift up and to the right* "Oh...." *Log out and then back in as me*
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Ganner on February 20, 2013, 07:11:27 pm

The irritating thing is, when you live with people who sometimes share the same devices, you sometimes forget to check who's account you are on when using forums, from personal experience. Hell, I've even logged into someone else's account for a game once and stared in confusion at the character selection screen for a good solid ten seconds thinking "Who the hell is this? Who the hell is that?" *Eyes drift up and to the right* "Oh...." *Log out and then back in as me*

Except he claims they dont use the same pc.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 07:12:43 pm

The irritating thing is, when you live with people who sometimes share the same devices, you sometimes forget to check who's account you are on when using forums, from personal experience. Hell, I've even logged into someone else's account for a game once and stared in confusion at the character selection screen for a good solid ten seconds thinking "Who the hell is this? Who the hell is that?" *Eyes drift up and to the right* "Oh...." *Log out and then back in as me*

Would you believe this shit for UIF players who were banned and said the same thing?  Or call them liars and tell them to leave the game?  Fallen are the worst.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 20, 2013, 07:27:03 pm
Background:
This siege of Ahmerrad is the first time I've been part of a big attack in strategus. It has been lots of fun, and both sides are giving it their all. You should have seen the strategus map when Smoothrich got attacked a second time JUST OUTSIDE OF HIS FIEF. So many Hero Party and Occitan armies came to reinforce him, and each one was barely intercepted by mere minutes. It is the most intense moment I have seen since joining strategus. Vick was coming to Ahmerrad with a large army and good equipment. Then he got banned.

Here is what I know. If I am wrong, correct me:

The admins and devs do not know who is leaking information. They tried to contact Vick and ask him if he was guilty. When Vick did not respond, he was banned. This was less than 24 hours after trying to contact him. That is ridiculous enough in itself. Did anyone else get banned for not responding to the question "did you leak admin chat" ? Is it a coincidence that Vick's strategus army was within 1 day of reaching Smoothrich's fief?

I'm not trying to stir shit up. I just want to know why he was banned. I am not upset of Kesh being banned with evidence of multi accounting. I am upset that Vick was banned with no evidence of his leaking information. I never see Vick in TS when I am playing, I don't know him on a speaking basis at all. It just sucks that he has been caught in the crossfire of this drama and his ban disrupted what has been a really fun and engaging strategus attack.

Yeah boo fucking hoo, WITCHCRAFT. I know.  :rolleyes:

The ban for NOT RESPONDING FAST ENOUGH is bullshit. If there is evidence of Vick leaking it, go ahead and post it have an admin confirm it. Then I'd just be mildly disappointed at the anti-climactic end to the siege of Ahmerrad.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Smoothrich on February 20, 2013, 07:29:55 pm
Is it a coincidence that Vick's strategus army was within 1 day of reaching Smoothrich's fief?

Yes.  He should probably contact cmp about his account and not get sucked into forum drama and it will be resolved.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 20, 2013, 09:01:13 pm
Would you believe this shit for UIF players who were banned and said the same thing?  Or call them liars and tell them to leave the game?  Fallen are the worst.
Yes, I would believe them, but honestly not care about the outcome. I have nothing against UIF players, just certain members of the UIF leadership, but ultimately I have zero vested interest in the majority of the players in this game and the majority can burn in permaban hell or win a million looms for all I care.


Most Fallen, like most Players and People, know not to whitewash or paint an entire clan and instead focus ire on the individuals who are in the spotlight (The leaders), unlike you who judge 130 members off of a dozen or so that loosely interact with you (Our leaders).
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Matey on February 20, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
should we ban cmp for lying too? i mentioned to him how kesh and another were ban and he said only kesh was ban... but who else would have global vick? Anyways. Typical shit really. Admins interfering in strat at the worst times and fucking things up and thus destroying their own game. They carpet bombed fallen for taking advantage of an exploit they had reported themselves weeks in advance but which they never fixed... so when fallen did it, they get carpet bombed and lost all their best shit just as they were being invaded and ended up losing a battle they would otherwise have won, partly their own fault, but handled poorly. and now here is FCC in the midst of a grand offensive against Hero Party and the guy who just happens to be going to deliver the (hopefully) final blow is Globally Banned on the SUSPICION of leaking information that NEEDED to be seen by the public. Anyways, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out I guess. It sucks that just when I was starting to get an interest in this game again they started providing all these reasons for me to lose that interest.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Leshma on February 21, 2013, 04:04:03 am
should we ban cmp for lying too?

Yeah, ban the person who's working hard on improving this mod :rolleyes:

I'm not familiar with recent events, nor I care. All I know that Kesh isn't the brightest star in this community and that he used to leech on EU servers a couple years ago, for few weeks. I'm talking about suicide charging, I've tried to point that out to admins but they either didn't care or didn't thrust a new guy's word against someone who is a popular, long time player. Not to mention that suicide charging on EU server, during the time most of his friends/countrymen sleep is something, even someone like me who used to play way too much cRPG, would call serious antisocial/antigaming and downright nolife behaviour.

To say it short, I don't believe a word your friend Kesh says, not because I don't like him because I don't know the dude to like him or not. It's because I know he lied about that and that tells me he's lying again.

About admins and cRPG, I just want to say that it should be done differently in their upcoming game. I wish for professional admins but I'm aware chances for that happening are very low. Even if they keep choosing admins from community pool, at least I wish there will be some vertical hierarchy. But most important, community shouldn't have any effect on admin decisions. I've seen Unban Kesh topic and just like every other unban thread, it's full of "friends and family" defending their bro, not because he's innocent but because he's their bro. Sooner or later admins and even developers are affected by that and silly decisions are made. It's not about defending yourself with arguments, it's about who has the most buddies cheering up for him. Like a darn Facebook contest...
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Matey on February 21, 2013, 04:11:36 am
The part you are missing is where Kesh was ban from cRPG because of these accusations; then permaban from strat/crpg because he posted logs of a chat between the admins who ban him from crpg initially. Also, another player has been permaban from strat/crpg because they suspect him of leaking the info. Also, cmp promised Kesh an unban if he would give up his source of information, which suggests that if kesh did break rules then cmp would pardon him if he sold someone else out for revealing logs, or that cmp would just ban kesh anyways thus breaking his word; and that is all assuming kesh is guilty of things other than posting logs he shouldn't have had access to.

all in all; this stinks.
no i am not seriously suggesting banning cmp; im just saying that things are retarded and cmp also handled this poorly.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: LordLargos on February 21, 2013, 04:14:47 am
No Dateline investigation special with Anders now?
We might have to change it up a little, how bout I'm Dr.Phil and you're Mante Te'o's fake girlfriend. In all honesty I'd be up for it smooth but there's not much of a point to do it now, but if you want to I'm down for it.

Oh and by the way I called it with my politician anology, a lot of people thought smooth would lose his adminship but I was the only one to say when.
P.S. why'd you guys put this in general discussion, it's about admins isn't it?
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Voso on February 21, 2013, 04:32:33 am
This is all kinda funny and dramatic, can't we all just hug and make up?

Also,

FREE VICK 2013
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: LordLargos on February 21, 2013, 06:07:42 am
Voso I can't stop watching your signature and wishing I had something that awesome.
P.S. wish there were sound effects.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Sir Ryden on February 21, 2013, 06:18:43 am
It was me.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Little Lord Lollipop on February 21, 2013, 06:39:59 am
It was Colonel Mustard, in the Study, with a Candlestick.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Kelugarn on February 21, 2013, 07:07:42 am
How did this end up getting moved here?
 :oops:
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: cmp on February 21, 2013, 11:51:07 am
should we ban cmp for lying too? i mentioned to him how kesh and another were ban and he said only kesh was ban... but who else would have global vick?

Reading comprehension Matey, reading comprehension.

As for other people being banned, at this moment Kesh is the only one.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Tydeus on February 21, 2013, 12:37:23 pm
and now here is FCC in the midst of a grand offensive against Hero Party and the guy who just happens to be going to deliver the (hopefully) final blow is Globally Banned on the SUSPICION of leaking information that NEEDED to be seen by the public.
Needed to see it so that it could be taken completely out of context and posted as if we hadn't had serious conversations about it earlier that day/week/month, for multiple months. It's interesting that the little birdy didn't leak info to kesh several months ago when we first started talking about suspected NA multi-accounters.

Clearly, I am the little birdy.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Tibe on February 21, 2013, 12:55:25 pm
Pipe down twats.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Smoothrich on February 21, 2013, 12:57:03 pm
Pipe down twats.

Reported.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Tibe on February 21, 2013, 12:57:53 pm
Reported.

Love you too...
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Nightingale on February 21, 2013, 01:15:59 pm
I voted for myself.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Uumdi on February 21, 2013, 01:17:39 pm
i play dota 2 and call people luckers and f4ggots all day
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: KingBread on February 21, 2013, 01:32:14 pm
I vote any Fallen cos Fallens are SmoothRich ultimate nemesiseses
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: rustyspoon on February 21, 2013, 02:46:06 pm
I'm glad this thread was posted and I took the time to read through it.

Reading this thread has definitely made me a better person.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Korgoth on February 21, 2013, 03:45:14 pm
I've been thinking really hard and long on this issue.

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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Goretooth on February 21, 2013, 04:33:34 pm
i play dota 2 and call people luckers and f4ggots all day
I bash Asians while playing dota 2
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: ildist on February 21, 2013, 04:35:54 pm
It was me.

rip ryden
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Dexxtaa on February 21, 2013, 04:37:32 pm
I am not pleased that I don't get a mention in the admin corruption poll. Prepare for much gnashing of teeth.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Umbra on February 21, 2013, 04:53:34 pm
I think what this issue desperately needs is MORE THREADS, MOOOOOOREEEEE!!!  THREADS FOR THE THREAD GOD! SPAM FOR THE SPAM THRONE!

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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Ganner on February 21, 2013, 05:29:29 pm
I am not pleased that I don't get a mention in the admin corruption poll. Prepare for much gnashing of teeth.

You actually have to be here to retain your "badmin corruption" cred.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Matey on February 21, 2013, 07:13:25 pm
Reading comprehension Matey, reading comprehension.

vick was already ban when you said no one else had been though.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 21, 2013, 07:19:06 pm
vick was already ban when you said no one else had been though.

Do you have proof of this?
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Polobow on February 21, 2013, 07:31:12 pm
We were hit unexpectedly... We were running away in fear, hoped he would come... We even looked for him... But alas, he did not come. Where is the man we need when the time is right...  :cry:

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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: MrShine on February 21, 2013, 07:49:42 pm
We were hit unexpectedly... We were running away in fear, hoped he would come... We even looked for him... But alas, he did not come. Where is the man we need when the time is right...  :cry:

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Oh my god you're totally right, I never realized Christo wasn't here...he would have been having a field day with all this.

That can only mean our prince of drama must be trapped in some cruel villain's lair...
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: cmp on February 21, 2013, 08:00:47 pm
vick was already ban when you said no one else had been though.

Read the quote again. There is a difference between being banned and having been banned.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 21, 2013, 09:06:06 pm
Ooh! Ooh! Move the topic to another forum!

Magic carpet ride!
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I vote that it goes to the Turkish language forum (http://forum.meleegaming.com/tarkae-forum/)
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: XyNox on February 21, 2013, 09:12:27 pm
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Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Molly on February 21, 2013, 09:12:53 pm
Oh my god you're totally right, I never realized Christo wasn't here...he would have been having a field day with all this.

That can only mean our prince of drama must be trapped in some cruel villain's lair...
...to the rescue!
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on February 21, 2013, 10:24:21 pm
Largos im sort of wondering what the point of this is given that Kesh has already been banned for multi accounting as he should be (like everyone else whose ever been caught doing it), and Smooth has lost his admin from what i heard as he should (even if Kesh provoked Smoothrich into doing what he did). It would seem that you are to an extent trying to incite anger towards the developers. Given that it is their game and its free im not sure what makes you think you have the right, although you are pretty new it would seem given your profile and maybe you don't know any better. I would say respect their decisions, let them handle these things, and if you really have a problem have a conversation and go about it in an appropriate manner and location, not making a volatile post in the general forum in an attempt to start a shitstorm to pressure the devs into doing what you want them to do, not that they generally give in to such childish behavior.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 21, 2013, 10:33:26 pm
Pretty sure that largos made the thread prior to kesh getting banned for multi accounting. Or atleast before it became public to everyone.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Rainbow on February 22, 2013, 12:13:05 am
I know being the best duelist in CRPG doesn't cont for much but I will state my opinion on the matter.  Life is short.  Learn to hug it out and save time for fun every day.  Nobody will remember this n 5 years so its not too important.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Teeth on February 22, 2013, 12:21:47 am
My forum activity is seemingly not up to snuff anymore, I don't have a clue what this is about. Can anyone share some links to the original sweet drama threads?
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Rainbow on February 22, 2013, 12:30:40 am
Read the urban thread for kesh in NA.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: Arathian on February 22, 2013, 01:24:26 am
I know being the best duelist in CRPG doesn't cont for much but I will state my opinion on the matter.  Life is short.  Learn to hug it out and save time for fun every day.  Nobody will remember this n 5 years so its not too important.

Unless your name is saulcanner, sit down, sir.

Also, your avatar should be bannable.
Title: Re: "a little birdy" and admin corruption
Post by: karasu on February 22, 2013, 01:51:19 am
Blanket ban NA, problem solved.