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Title: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 23, 2011, 01:42:27 pm
around 40 keys were banned for using external cheat software.

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 23, 2011, 01:43:09 pm
External cheat software..

You mean the auto-block hack, or what cheaters? How to indentify one?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 23, 2011, 01:48:30 pm
Publish the cheater list and shame them in public.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: 22nd_Earl_NoscopeGabe on May 23, 2011, 01:52:37 pm
Ouch 40 keys damnnn :shock:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 23, 2011, 01:54:16 pm
I'd put this as a ban message:

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 :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Timotheusthereal on May 23, 2011, 01:55:43 pm
Publish the cheater list and shame them in public.

+1
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bilbo on May 23, 2011, 01:58:23 pm
Thanks for punishing those fails  :D
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 23, 2011, 02:01:03 pm
But who provides Phyrex with a challange now...?

Edit: Yeah, some kind of public list would be really neat  :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 23, 2011, 02:04:44 pm
no moar flying carpets yeah  8-)  :wink:

Publish the cheater list and shame them in public.
+1

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 23, 2011, 02:05:08 pm
Names or it didnt happen :D :D
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Apsod on May 23, 2011, 02:06:47 pm
How is it even possible to cheat? Wouldn`t they have to hack into your database somehow?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Marshal_Nemesis on May 23, 2011, 02:08:49 pm
The holy inquisition :D..

death to the cheaters..burn them..
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 23, 2011, 02:08:56 pm
no moar flying carpets yeah  8-)  :wink:

Nah, Al_Adin uses internal cheat software. :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 23, 2011, 02:09:54 pm
Al_Adin is a gameplay element, not a cheater.

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 23, 2011, 02:16:07 pm
Also, how were you able to find/detect them?

The people of Calradia demand more info!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 23, 2011, 02:16:46 pm
Also, how were you able to find/detect them?

The people of Calradia demand more info!

That would be telling.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Earthdforce on May 23, 2011, 02:17:58 pm
That would be telling.
You say that like it would be the first time :O
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: NuberT on May 23, 2011, 02:18:07 pm
Publish the cheater list and shame them in public.

+1
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 23, 2011, 02:18:37 pm
we're not going into detail for obvious reasons, it's a technological race!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Beauchamp on May 23, 2011, 02:19:32 pm
aye keep details for yourself, but i at least want to see the names :o)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: El_Infante on May 23, 2011, 02:20:48 pm
Names! Names!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tzar on May 23, 2011, 02:26:02 pm
Good work chadz but imo you should post their names or else people will think your full of it.....  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 23, 2011, 02:26:39 pm
Yeah!! We just need to hate them !!   :twisted:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nurax on May 23, 2011, 02:38:01 pm
add poll and then see who would vote FOR publishign the names
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 23, 2011, 02:40:44 pm
just give us one name as a teaser :D
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 23, 2011, 02:41:58 pm
we will most likely not be releasing the names, due to privacy concerns.

Doesn't matter anyway, you won't see em ingame any more :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Korgoth on May 23, 2011, 02:47:37 pm
I want names just because I want to see if it was any of the 'good' players that used it.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 23, 2011, 03:01:41 pm
I want names just because I want to see if it was any of the 'good' players that used it.

This. +1

I'd like to see if there were any of the players I respect. Just to know their real side.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 23, 2011, 03:06:44 pm
Look at it this way: anyone you run into from now on has a clean record. However, if anyone you know suddenly disappears off the servers, then maybe, just maybe...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Apsod on May 23, 2011, 03:06:58 pm
This. +1

I'd like to see if there were any of the players I respect. Just to know their real side.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: bosco on May 23, 2011, 03:09:16 pm
Great job! Don't care how you did it, the job is done.  :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: kinngrimm on May 23, 2011, 03:15:21 pm
i'd like to see the list too out of  curiosity, but wouldn't advice to make it public.

The privacy, the flaming/raging and possible leaks of information from their site, what they did and how they did would create an arms race which i agree you can reduce by not telling.

In the end the information doesn't concern us players at all.

But i hope you give them the chance to defend themselves, sometimes(in rare cases) it can be unclear or misjudged if they really used hacks.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 23, 2011, 03:33:15 pm
sup

Quote
[15:25] <Drake__> how come when i logg into a server it auto kicks me and says : this caracter does not exist...?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Phazey on May 23, 2011, 03:39:06 pm
I want names just because I want to see if it was any of the 'good' players that used it.
I've studied the list. Not many players in there with any serious skill level, oddly enough. I was reassured when reading it. Aparrently using autoblock does not make you a good player at all...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 23, 2011, 04:21:26 pm
This is what you get from trusting some random guy who writes hacks in AutoIt. :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Paul on May 23, 2011, 04:26:43 pm
What's NA:EU ratio of the banned keys?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Yaron on May 23, 2011, 04:31:22 pm
Hmm we could maybe tease the number of banned players from well known clans, but dunno :p I think this is probably would hurt the reputation of the involved clans :<
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Gnjus on May 23, 2011, 04:32:48 pm
...so this is why i don't see Olwen around anymore......
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 23, 2011, 04:34:05 pm
Nah, he was banned long ago, and for nothing hack-related. Silly Gnjus, you joker, you! :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Cup1d on May 23, 2011, 04:38:53 pm
Let them crymoar...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 04:48:21 pm
Wouldn't publishing the hacker names actually represent another reason NOT to hack? Perhaps some of the players here have friends, and they didn't want to have them know about what they did. Or they care about their "reputation" in general.

Otherwise they could just hack and when they get banned they could tell any story from "game became boring" oder "don't have time any more to play" to "I got banned for trolling an admin", as they know the admins won't tell anything.

You know, often it's even your reputation of being good that drives you to hacking, to not "dissapoint" the expectations of the others.

Though I know most hackers lack social skills anyway, so they can't have less friends than their current 0  :rolleyes:  :lol:


I still think the rest of the playership deserves to see under whom they suffered unjustifiedly (?)!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Corwin on May 23, 2011, 05:02:30 pm
Just one question: was an abomination called Coldblood Revenant on the list?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 05:03:36 pm
we considered it publishing it, discussed the pros and cons and decided against it.

deal with it  8-)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Corwin on May 23, 2011, 05:05:41 pm
Right, but you haven't consulted player base - people that got shot or slashed by these cheaters - for their input. Maybe we could offer some more pros or cons?
Please, reconsider!!!! And it is not clan's fault, unless they knew about the cheat.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 23, 2011, 05:09:04 pm
Atleast give us the first letter of the name so it would be

for me atleast if I did get banned it would be,

T******_H************

you wouldn't spoil to much I guess?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: justme on May 23, 2011, 05:13:27 pm
they harm us, we deserve justice.. hang them all..
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 23, 2011, 05:15:17 pm
Boooooring.

Post some names and give a proof that your detection method works.

Would be highly appreciated!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 23, 2011, 05:17:55 pm
Guys: it isn't the playerbase's decision; justice has already been served through the bans and no one cares whether you believe the detection method works or not.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 23, 2011, 05:20:09 pm
Guys: it isn't the playerbase's decision; justice has already been served through the bans and no one cares whether you believe the detection method works or not.

Boooooooring (ofc u are right, but the interest in those banned ppl lies in human nature... ;-) )


Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 05:21:12 pm
Guys: it isn't the playerbase's decision; justice has already been served through the bans and no one cares whether you believe the detection method works or not.

this.

so no need to ask for it anymore.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Hellsing on May 23, 2011, 05:22:10 pm
The holy inquisition :D..

death to the cheaters..burn them..
no comment;)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 05:28:47 pm
Guys: it isn't the playerbase's decision; justice has already been served through the bans and no one cares whether you believe the detection method works or not.

Justice always consists of three elements:

Punishment: punishment is meant to prevent someone of doing it ever again, it's "special prevention", directed to this special case

General prevention: by showing this justice as example what can happen to you, if you do the same, you prevent other people of imitating the punished person

Compensation: people being harmed by the abuser are to be compensated for their harm, as much as possible by the abuser.

Currently you only fullfilled the first part, and a little bit of the second one. By publishing the banned names you would make the justice complete, as killing the reputation of the cheaters is the only thing you can offer as compensation for the abused playership.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 05:29:21 pm
no.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 23, 2011, 05:44:40 pm
everyone that got banned is free to discuss it in public, but I'm not forcing anyone to go down that road. I understand that the caused drama would be quite enjoyable, I know I would, but the sane thing is to let em go down quietly.

Also, the list really isn't that impressive. I think there is only 3 or 4 "known" people on it, the rest is low gen, low level.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Banok on May 23, 2011, 05:48:46 pm
Al_Adin is a gameplay element, not a cheater.

what about that shazzbot I seen him hacking too, I had a screenshot I was gona post in admin abuse section but I figured it wasn't worth the mute :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 05:55:34 pm
no.

Thanks for this valuable contribution to the discussion and your humble hint of being something better than the rest of us unworthy creatures who don't even deserve an explanation.

I always love being taken seriously...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EponiCo on May 23, 2011, 05:57:56 pm
Also, the list really isn't that impressive. I think there is only 3 or 4 "known" people on it, the rest is low gen, low level.

So let's make a compromise ... you publish a list with only 3 or 4 people on it. Everyone is happy.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 23, 2011, 05:58:51 pm
Okay, all the bagging wont help so id say we need two things to get the delicate, juicy info:

Traitors // aware ppl

AND // OR

Crpgleaks!!!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 06:15:07 pm
well you guys shut down wookileaks so your own fault :mrgreen:

also anytime joker.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 23, 2011, 06:15:36 pm
Anyone else think that it would be supremely ironic if we never saw Farmer_Nate after this announcement?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 06:23:40 pm
also anytime joker.

Really, I never had any problems with you, I just wanted to make a serious point, but all I get is ignorance and trolling from a person who obviously mistakes the additional responsibility coming from their position with additional rights to troll around and act like an asshole...

Tell me why "no"!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: BlackMilk on May 23, 2011, 06:25:13 pm
i cant play anymore it says my char is deleted pls fix it!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 23, 2011, 06:25:35 pm
Really, I never had any problems with you, and on all your votes (plural) I voted for not removing you as an admin, and I wanted to make a serious point, but all I get is ignorance and trolling from a person who obviously mistakes the additional responsibility coming from their position with additional rights to troll around and act like an asshole...

Tell me why "no"!

I think you might be confusing Meow with nuffen.

Anyway, the devs discussed it and they don't want to release the names, so there's really no point in asking after them.

i cant play anymore it says my char is deleted pls fix it!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:

Be careful, someone might take you seriously. :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: rustyspoon on May 23, 2011, 06:31:41 pm
Anyone else think that it would be supremely ironic if we never saw Farmer_Nate after this announcement?

LOL +1
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 23, 2011, 06:37:34 pm
Really, I never had any problems with you, I just wanted to make a serious point, but all I get is ignorance and trolling from a person who obviously mistakes the additional responsibility coming from their position with additional rights to troll around and act like an asshole...

Tell me why "no"!

The devs were basing their decision around what you posted. If you had posted asking them to keep it secret, they would have released the info.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Blondin on May 23, 2011, 06:40:49 pm
Really, I never had any problems with you, I just wanted to make a serious point, but all I get is ignorance and trolling from a person who obviously mistakes the additional responsibility coming from their position with additional rights to troll around and act like an asshole...

Tell me why "no"!

a serious point... it's just a game damm, we are not talking of justice for crimes, we are taliking of cd key ban for some kids...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 06:41:09 pm
I think you might be confusing Meow with nuffen.

Yes, I realized this one minute after posting. I think it's the avatar, as both had a cat  :mrgreen:

Anyway, the devs discussed it and they don't want to release the names, so there's really no point in asking after them.

Yes, but the devs are not our parents or something like that, and as we are harmed by hackers as well, or even more as the devs (as many of us play more than the devs), I think we have a right to participate in the discussion without being patronized by the devs. Until now I didn't hear any valid point against publishing the ban list except of some weird, perverted attempt to "protect" those bundle of stickss. Really, not a single one.


The devs were basing their decision around what you posted. If you had posted asking them to keep it secret, they would have released the info.

Dammit please, devs, DO NOT GIVE ME A POLEARM with 120 speed, 250 reach and 50 piercing damage! DO NOT GIVE ME ONE! I would DIE if I got one!  :cry:

a serious point... it's just a game damm, we are not talking of justice for crimes, we are taliking of cd key ban for some kids...

The more it's not a big deal to publish the names...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 06:46:22 pm
responsiwhat?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 06:49:47 pm
responsiwhat?

Responsibility
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: roymorrison on May 23, 2011, 06:52:36 pm
One of my friends was banned for this.  He used it once in a duel server to prove to us that it existed, then proceeded to completely get rid of it and never use it again.  He played a 1H so yeah...

When he asked if he could get his account back based on the above information, chadz denied him, which is a good decision IMO.  I'm sure that a lot of people are in the same boat, used it to see what it was like and it's capabilities, if it actually worked etc.  Glad to see something being done about it in any case.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: rustyspoon on May 23, 2011, 06:53:30 pm
Really though, who gives a shit who they were? They're gone anyway. It's not like it affects your gameplay in any way whatsoever.

All I gotta say is:

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Keshian on May 23, 2011, 06:53:51 pm
Wow, 40, didn't realize so many hackers.  Also, is there a way to ban not just the cd key, but also the computer/internet port?  Seems just cd key they would just buy another game for cheap.  I'm sure you did this, but just want to make sure.  Thanks for keeping the streets clean for respectable people.  Oh, and its fine if you don't post the list, doesn't really matter now.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 23, 2011, 06:59:45 pm
Wow, 40, didn't realize so many hackers.

Far fewer than I'd have thought there'd be, but maybe that's just me. ;p

Also, is there a way to ban not just the cd key, but also the computer/internet port?  Seems just cd key they would just buy another game for cheap.  I'm sure you did this, but just want to make sure.

Pretty sure that's impossible, but it shouldn't matter anyway. If they return, they'll still be unable to use the hack again.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 07:04:05 pm
imo rebuying keys is not a big deal without their chars and the knowledge that hacking = ban they are either smart or waste another key :mrgreen:

also to the "tried it once and uninstalled" people you fail at common sense.
two major mistakes are not asking the devs and testing it on a crpg server.

there is no way we can let this slide even if you only used it once for whatever reason.

to the ip-ban thingy most people have the option to switch their ip in one way or another so ip bans are pretty pointless in the worst case might hit the wrong people due changing ips.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Cepeshi on May 23, 2011, 07:05:31 pm
Ban the hell out of them, ban their whole street, city or damn, even country ip range! :D

But, to get ontopic: how much i have to donate to see the list? :) :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EponiCo on May 23, 2011, 07:07:16 pm
Anyone remember virginmary?
A guy that was repeatedly banned for teamkilling shielders (it's his duty because they are cowards) and posted videos how aliens are going to kill all atheists or something when warband was fresh out. He always came back with a new cd-key, posted a receipt to proof he has bought them. I don't know but it was a good laugh.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 23, 2011, 07:08:55 pm
Anyone remember virginmary?
A guy that was repeatedly banned for teamkilling shielders (it's his duty because they are cowards) and posted videos how aliens are going to kill all atheists or something when warband was fresh out. He always came back with a new cd-key, posted a receipt to proof he has bought them. I don't know but it was a good laugh.

lol, unfortunately I missed this "person". Damn the laughs I missed on..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 07:19:08 pm
Can someone plz tell me how reading the name of a banned person can make me cheat as well suddenly, or create better hacks?  :?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 23, 2011, 07:24:03 pm
It doesn't.

It is, however, a privacy concern.

That doesn't mean a lot to many people in times of facebook and google, but it sure as hell does to me.

So yeah, some people fucked up, doesn't mean I have to name&shame them.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: dynamike on May 23, 2011, 07:25:31 pm
Really though, who gives a shit who they were? They're gone anyway. It's not like it affects your gameplay in any way whatsoever.

All I gotta say is:

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Best. Gif. Ever.

I call it the Aldryk dance.

//on topic: DEAL WITH IT !  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Camaris on May 23, 2011, 07:25:52 pm
Its ok.
Im totally fine not seeing them again.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 23, 2011, 07:29:00 pm
It doesn't.

It is, however, a privacy concern.

That doesn't mean a lot to many people in times of facebook and google, but it sure as hell does to me.

So yeah, some people fucked up, doesn't mean I have to name&shame them.

Okay, although I can't really understand thet empathy for the hackers it's at least an answer I can accept, unlike meow's one, which was nothing more than an offense I had to take personally. Thanks.

@gif: the gif itself is funny, but I wholeheartedly hate all people who say "deal with it". One day I will burn down the house of one of them, poison his dog and steal his car, and when he calls for the police I will say "Come on, deal with it!"

It has literally no value in a discussion.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 23, 2011, 07:31:33 pm
It doesn't.

It is, however, a privacy concern.

That doesn't mean a lot to many people in times of facebook and google, but it sure as hell does to me.

So yeah, some people fucked up, doesn't mean I have to name&shame them.

Ethics in this day and age, my respect to you good sir.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 23, 2011, 07:34:34 pm
@gif: the gif itself is funny, but I wholeheartedly hate all people who say "deal with it". One day I will burn down the house of one of them, poison his dog and steal his car, and when he calls for the police I will say "Come on, deal with it!"

It has literally no value in a discussion.

True that, true!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Corwin on May 23, 2011, 07:36:57 pm
While I can accept this explanation, I must dispute that revealing person's game nickname violates this person's privacy, as this pertains only to their in-game identity, and not their real identity which is protected by international conventions, laws and regulations.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Timotheusthereal on May 23, 2011, 07:39:57 pm
...so this is why i don't see Olwen around anymore......

Well Olwen is on Eu4 right now
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Reinhardt on May 23, 2011, 07:50:47 pm
Anyone else think that it would be supremely ironic if we never saw Farmer_Nate after this announcement?

This would be more of a blessing than anything.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 23, 2011, 07:51:09 pm
EU4 doesent have EU banlist...

Its like the hangout for banned people you see!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nindur on May 23, 2011, 07:53:19 pm
I haven't seen Ecko or Goretooth in some time........
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 23, 2011, 07:57:42 pm
I haven't seen chadz in some time......  :shock:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Reinhardt on May 23, 2011, 07:58:03 pm
I haven't seen Ecko or Goretooth in some time........

Teehee.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Goretooth on May 23, 2011, 08:01:49 pm
been on a trip and won't be back till june but thanks for the notice.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Rhygar666 on May 23, 2011, 08:07:48 pm
theyre names/characters with equipment are deleted
even if they buy another key its a hard throwback, good work
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 23, 2011, 08:08:14 pm
EU4 doesent have EU banlist...

Its like the hangout for banned people you see!

Not for these ones, though. DB bans are universal.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Camaris on May 23, 2011, 08:16:10 pm
LoL ;)

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tiberias on May 23, 2011, 08:22:20 pm
Quote
[20:09] <peasant_> is it possible to get unban for using a hack? i know i did wrong and will not repeat this.
[20:09] <nreal> LOL
[20:09] <Marquiz> gl :D
[20:09] <SirCymro> HAHA
[20:09] <SirCymro> what hack dude?
[20:09] <peasant_> im still trying
[20:09] <SirCymro> what hack?
[20:09] <peasant_> auto blocker
[20:10] <peasant_> ....
[20:10] <SirCymro> HAHAHA
[20:10] <peasant_> yep
[20:10] <nreal> you have to write an essay
[20:10] <Marquiz> cheaters ... hope they all perish in flames
[20:10] <@okiN> Unreal don't lie to the man
[20:10] <peasant_> well.. its just a game
[20:10] <@okiN> peasant: no unbans on the cards
[20:10] <SirCymro> you must be a shit manual blocker hehe
[20:10] <peasant_> wow so u ban for life
[20:10] <@Meow> yes
[20:10] <@Meow> for hacking we totally do
[20:10] <@Meow> instantly
[20:10] <peasant_> lol ok
[20:10] <SirCymro> haha, so ciao
[20:11] <@Meow> :)
[20:11] <peasant_> ciao
[20:11] <@Meow> bye

hahahahaahahahahahahahahaha i cant stop to laugh  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Varric on May 23, 2011, 08:34:24 pm
The list really isn't all that impressive, only 6 people from 5 different clans and the highest generation is 14.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 23, 2011, 08:35:10 pm
Somebody told me that if we get to page 10 we get one name  :P

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 08:39:30 pm
meh ok i will give you one:
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 23, 2011, 08:43:19 pm
meh ok i will give you one:
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And times likethis I just hit the quote button to see the middle of the spoiler.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 08:46:05 pm
h4x
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 23, 2011, 08:51:54 pm
meh ok i will give you one:
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Mine is bigger
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 23, 2011, 09:03:07 pm
i knew siiem used it
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 23, 2011, 09:04:54 pm
i knew siiem used it

depends on how much you pay
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Dach on May 23, 2011, 09:18:22 pm
Anyone else think that it would be supremely ironic if we never saw Farmer_Nate after this announcement?

Did that guy ever blocked someone?!  :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on May 23, 2011, 10:09:49 pm
It doesn't.

It is, however, a privacy concern.

That doesn't mean a lot to many people in times of facebook and google, but it sure as hell does to me.

So yeah, some people fucked up, doesn't mean I have to name&shame them.
Respect...

Okay, although I can't really understand thet empathy for the hackers it's at least an answer I can accept, unlike meow's one, which was nothing more than an offense I had to take personally. Thanks.

@gif: the gif itself is funny, but I wholeheartedly hate all people who say "deal with it". One day I will burn down the house of one of them, poison his dog and steal his car, and when he calls for the police I will say "Come on, deal with it!"

It has literally no value in a discussion.
Dude. Not his dog. That's just mean...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: SuperNewb on May 23, 2011, 10:14:32 pm
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Okay, although I can't really understand thet empathy for the hackers it's at least an answer I can accept, unlike meow's one, which was nothing more than an offense I had to take personally. Thanks.

@gif: the gif itself is funny, but I wholeheartedly hate all people who say "deal with it". One day I will burn down the house of one of them, poison his dog and steal his car, and when he calls for the police I will say "Come on, deal with it!"

It has literally no value in a discussion.

Deal with it.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 23, 2011, 10:44:12 pm
It has literally no value in a discussion.

i was worried you would mistake this as something that was up for discussion  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tristan on May 23, 2011, 10:58:14 pm
Meh...

I always feel awkward about perma bans. Its like the death penalty... doesn't people always deserve a chance?

And Kudos to the devs for NOT revealing the sinners. It would do no good.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bjarky on May 23, 2011, 11:19:47 pm
i was worried you would mistake this as something that was up for discussion  :mrgreen:
But, but, does this mean i must stop sharpening my pitchfork and stop smearing tar on my to be torch, sire?  :shock:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Zergmar on May 23, 2011, 11:23:03 pm
so no more excuses for losing a duel  :|
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Dan lol on May 23, 2011, 11:37:43 pm
PUBLIC SHAMING LIST PLZ

SO WE CAN SAY "I KNEW HE WAS BULLSHIT"
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 23, 2011, 11:41:52 pm
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 23, 2011, 11:44:38 pm
Question is.. who's Kane?

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 23, 2011, 11:46:50 pm
Question is.. who's Kane?

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 23, 2011, 11:47:18 pm
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Good one.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: POOPHAMMER on May 23, 2011, 11:52:35 pm
I really would not mind seeing a list, or at least what clans were using it
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bulzur on May 23, 2011, 11:56:06 pm
omg for Kane.

Anyway, i already respected our dear devs and admins, but not releasing any info on thoses hackers makes me think i was actually underrating them.
Thanks for dealing with thoses hacks, even if i doubt i ever faced one in my cRPG life. And thanks for keeping privacy and not letting us act like drama children.

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It's not clans who were using it, but members of clan. Anyway, this gen 14 guy is obviously a known guy. ^^
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Goretooth on May 23, 2011, 11:57:07 pm
PUBLIC SHAMING LIST PLZ

SO WE CAN SAY "I KNEW HE WAS BULLSHIT"
one is down
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkwulf on May 24, 2011, 12:07:22 am
Show the people that don't cheat some respect by posting the names of the cheaters.  You have a loyal, donating, fan base that wants to see justice done.

You don't owe these cheaters anything.  They disrespected you and each player that followed the rules.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 24, 2011, 12:11:16 am
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edit: also this is why i have not been playing recently, can't play without my auto-block :/ people would realize i haz no skills... or is the secret already out?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 24, 2011, 12:20:00 am
Show the people that don't cheat some respect by posting the names of the cheaters.  You have a loyal, donating, fan base that wants to see justice done.

You don't owe these cheaters anything.  They disrespected you and each player that followed the rules.

They have been banned, thus justice has been served.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 24, 2011, 12:21:44 am
Are you implying that public lynching is not the only form of justice?!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Techno on May 24, 2011, 12:25:10 am
If you want to know if any of the "good" players or players you respected cheated, you will know if you don't see them anymore :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkwulf on May 24, 2011, 12:26:29 am
They have been banned, thus justice has been served.

All victims of crimes deserve, and receive restitution, whatever that may be.  There is no restitution here other than knowing the offenders.  People who commit crimes do no have the right to remain private.  It becomes public knowledge at that point.

I say we treat this the same.  Otherwise all I know is, I still have a bitter taste in my mouth after playing with these scum bags for so long and not saying a word about it until today.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 24, 2011, 12:29:31 am
Actually, under certain circumstances people who commit crimes do have the right to remain private.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Blondin on May 24, 2011, 12:35:34 am
All victims of crimes

Victims? you take this game too seriously...  :?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkwulf on May 24, 2011, 12:37:57 am
Actually, under certain circumstances people who commit crimes do have the right to remain private.

Name a crime where a suspect has the right to keep his identity private.

The second reason the names should be released is so we don't continue to play with them in our own guilds.  There just going to say they felt like changing their names, or their crpg messed up so they made a new character.  They should face the full consequences of their actions, including facing the people they played with.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 24, 2011, 12:42:56 am
and you don't think anyone in your guild would notice that some dude suddenly stopped playing the game completely and refuses to play it again or has to reroll a new char? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 24, 2011, 12:46:15 am
Name a crime where a suspect has the right to keep his identity private.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/23/jon-venables-pleads-guilty

"The judge ruled that his new identity should remain secret, but decided the fact that he was living in Cheshire at the time of the offences could be reported."

There are more cases, but this one sprang to mind.

The second reason the names should be released is so we don't continue to play with them in our own guilds.  There just going to say they felt like changing their names, or their crpg messed up so they made a new character.  They should face the full consequences of their actions, including facing the people they played with.

Have fun playing on a server with them when they're banned. =\
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkwulf on May 24, 2011, 12:47:10 am
and you don't think anyone in your guild would notice that some dude suddenly stopped playing the game completely and refuses to play it again or has to reroll a new char? :mrgreen:

I could change my name from Hospitaller_Darkwulf to Hospitaller_Joe_Blow today and say I did it because I like the way it sounds and I got tired of Darkwulf.

Nobody would even know that I rerolled because I was banned.  Or how about Hospitaller_DarkwuIf with an I insted of an L.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: jspook on May 24, 2011, 12:47:36 am
Dude, you guys are like date rapists.

NO MEANS NO
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 24, 2011, 12:48:49 am
I could change my name from Hospitaller_Darkwulf to Hospitaller_Joe_Blow today and say I did it because I like the way it sounds and I got tired of Darkwulf.

Nobody would even know that I rerolled because I was banned.  Or how about Hospitaller_DarkwuIf with an I insted of an L.

Yes, because we only banned their user-name, they can just change their name and come back.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EponiCo on May 24, 2011, 12:52:06 am
Dude, you guys are like date rapists.

NO MEANS NO

But sometimes it means yes.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkwulf on May 24, 2011, 12:56:03 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/23/jon-venables-pleads-guilty

"The judge ruled that his new identity should remain secret, but decided the fact that he was living in Cheshire at the time of the offences could be reported."

There are more cases, but this one sprang to mind.

Have fun playing on a server with them when they're banned. =\

1. There is no crime where a suspects have the right to remain private unless exigent circumstances arise.  Which is uncommon, like in the case above.

2. These people have multiple serial keys. 
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkwulf on May 24, 2011, 12:58:48 am
Yes, because we only banned their user-name, they can just change their name and come back.

I would just buy another serial key.  I can't believe this idea slipped past you.  Figured you thought of everything.

This is what most people are going to do.  Back in game, new name, nobody will ever know they offended. 
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 24, 2011, 01:08:11 am
mmh yeah i guess some of those people would be stupid enough to just hack again to waste another key :mrgreen:
if they restart with a new key and manage to stay undercover most of them will be smart enough to stay clean.

seams fine by me.

also as said before this is already decided and will not change.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MrShine on May 24, 2011, 01:10:28 am
Holy witch hunt calm down you blood-mongers.

The names aren't coming out, the devs know who did it, and the cheaters know who they are.  There is no need for the scarlet letter treatment over a video game.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Iggore on May 24, 2011, 01:15:30 am
Holy witch hunt calm down you blood-mongers.

The names aren't coming out, the devs know who did it, and the cheaters know who they are.  There is no need for the scarlet letter treatment over a video game.


Nice literacy mrshine- but I guess it goes to show you puritan blood is thought upon us!
For the A shall be worn with pride!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 24, 2011, 01:21:00 am
The whole media has gone to name Ryan giggs so why cant they tell us the names of 40 random fellas lol jk
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Rebelyell on May 24, 2011, 01:50:11 am
i don't want know that list really...

if some admin will pm me with that list i will really angry and disappointed.....
 
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: La Makina on May 24, 2011, 01:50:31 am
Except chadz, we are all using pseudonyms. Revealing pseudonyms is by definition not infringing privacy.
You could reveal the names of their characters, we will still never know who were the guys behind.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 24, 2011, 02:09:58 am
Except chadz, we are all using pseudonyms. Revealing pseudonyms is by definition not infringing privacy.
You could reveal the names of their characters, we will still never know who were the guys behind.

I would disagree on that point.

Some of you I know from your Player name.
Some of you I know from your player name and that you also use it in other games.
Some of you I know from Steam (vast network).
Some of you I know well enough to know your FB and or other personal details...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on May 24, 2011, 02:42:24 am
around 40 keys were banned for using external cheat software.

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Goretooth on May 24, 2011, 03:04:25 am
Just look around the forums I've already found four and a few failed trolls.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Fros7bite on May 24, 2011, 04:23:11 am
It seems I have been banned among the hackers. I wasn't even aware cheats existed for this game. Is there any way to appeal to this? Thanks in advance.

Fros7bite
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Metz on May 24, 2011, 05:30:31 am
It seems I have been banned among the hackers. I wasn't even aware cheats existed for this game. Is there any way to appeal to this? Thanks in advance.

Fros7bite


Does anyone know if any other external programs that have been run alongside Warband (besides autoblock) may have lead to people getting banned wrongly?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: HarunYahya on May 24, 2011, 06:00:01 am
Awsome job admins !
Thanks for keeping your community clean and clear .
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Fros7bite on May 24, 2011, 06:22:09 am

Does anyone know if any other external programs that have been run alongside Warband (besides autoblock) may have lead to people getting banned wrongly?

I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Fros7bite
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bjarky on May 24, 2011, 07:07:18 am
I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Fros7bite
:shock: woah this must pretty special to play with, i cant imagine it, how well did you do?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Metz on May 24, 2011, 07:11:00 am
I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Fros7bite



I think the bans should be lowered to one month... That way CRPG doesn't lose the those players and the people won't go back to cheating ever again.

After all, people get paroled from prison for worse things.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Earthdforce on May 24, 2011, 07:16:17 am
:shock: woah this must pretty special to play with, i cant imagine it, how well did you do?
I've tried it before, and it's definitely easier to be a horse and sword user with a 360 controller
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: bredeus on May 24, 2011, 07:56:43 am
How about publishing the list of users who do were not using this hack? ;)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Camaris on May 24, 2011, 08:47:46 am


I think the bans should be lowered to one month... That way CRPG doesn't lose the those players and the people won't go back to cheating ever again.

After all, people get paroled from prison for worse things.

No i dont think so.
Its not like a heirloomreset or people using overpowered weapons or heirloomed wrong things which got
changed due to heirloomreset etc.

THEY have decided to use the cheat.
THEY did know what consequences it could have.
THEY laughed at their PC while using autoblockhac vs fair players.
THEY got a Lifetimeban and deserved it.

I dont want to see them ever again in CRPG.
Its a sucess for every other player not a loss to CRPG that they wont get their stuff back.

If you allow them to come back other people might think its worth to risk a ban cause they will
have a second chance.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 24, 2011, 08:51:18 am
How about publishing the list of users who do were not using this hack? ;)

+1
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Camaris on May 24, 2011, 08:52:37 am
How about publishing the list of users who do were not using this hack? ;)

Just look at the server ;) If they are playing they probably were clean.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 24, 2011, 10:27:40 am
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Is he talking about Kappikulu_Sunnetci_Dede? (or something like that)  :shock:

Though he is shield cavalry and actually doesn't need such a program  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 24, 2011, 10:30:42 am
I am going to take a wild guess and say that solitario666 is Vicious
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 24, 2011, 10:35:49 am
I am going to take a wild guess and say that solitario666 is Vicious

You're not the only one  :mrgreen:

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His posts are distinctive  :wink:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on May 24, 2011, 10:40:26 am
we will most likely not be releasing the names, due to privacy concerns.

Doesn't matter anyway, you won't see em ingame any more :)

first: why not release names

second: not true ;)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Christo on May 24, 2011, 11:13:30 am
I am going to take a wild guess and say that solitario666 is Vicious

lol.

That would explain a few... things.  8-)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: karasu on May 24, 2011, 11:42:12 am
I loved this part:

http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?topic=9814.msg95250#msg95250

"Someone sent this link to chadz and taleworlds to report it.  chadz even warns that he can see anyone using it and they will get a lifetime ban.

I call BS on him being able to see who is using it.  This hack has been around for a long long time and if he could see it, he would have done something about it a long time ago."

ah ah.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 24, 2011, 11:49:24 am
I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Very unlikely.

I think the bans should be lowered to one month... That way CRPG doesn't lose the those players and the people won't go back to cheating ever again.

After all, people get paroled from prison for worse things.

Double unlikely.

How about publishing the list of users who do were not using this hack? ;)

How about no?

first: why not release names

second: not true ;)

First: he already told you in the post you quoted.

Second: not with their old chars, at least.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MouthnHoof on May 24, 2011, 11:58:49 am
I think the bans should be lowered to one month... That way CRPG doesn't lose the those players and the people won't go back to cheating ever again.

After all, people get paroled from prison for worse things.
NO.
Unfortunately we cannot send them to prison. I would support a pardon after 1 month in prison.

If they want to play fair, they can buy a new game key and start from generation 1 again.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Ozan on May 24, 2011, 11:59:09 am
Publish the cheaters PLS !!!!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 24, 2011, 12:18:36 pm
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 24, 2011, 12:19:29 pm

Does anyone know if any other external programs that have been run alongside Warband (besides autoblock) may have lead to people getting banned wrongly?

I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Fros7bite

Hm.. i just tested this and this could actually indeed cause a false positive.

Is there anyone else that played Warband with an Xbox 360 controller and got reported?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Butan on May 24, 2011, 12:28:47 pm
I must say, at first, I was under the impression that all this spam about "NAMES PLZ" was a bit over the top.

But then the argument of Darkwulf pretty much changed my mind...

The second reason the names should be released is so we don't continue to play with them in our own guilds.



I would ask to the administration team if they can find a way to let every clan that had a banned member in, the individual information.
If it is impossible ( and I think it is, impossible, to ask people to keep the individual information for themselves and not leak it to the community, thus letting everyone collect all the names, leading to a complete list ), then I have no more demand about this event.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 24, 2011, 12:42:26 pm
I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Fros7bite

Hm.. i just tested this and this could actually indeed cause a false positive.

Is there anyone else that played Warband with an Xbox 360 controller and got reported?

I play with a Saitek X52 (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H0R624GHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg), does that count too?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 24, 2011, 12:45:22 pm
Is there anyone else that played Warband with an Xbox 360 controller and got reported?

Of course! 40 players were!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 24, 2011, 12:53:07 pm
I play with a Saitek X52 (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H0R624GHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg), does that count too?

playing with a controller like that is cheating
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bulzur on May 24, 2011, 12:53:46 pm
Of course! 40 players were!  :rolleyes:

I think he asked the question to know if people were using an Xbow 360 controller and DIDNT get reported.

Wich would mean the controller isn't the issue. But anyway, i won't believe any of the other guys coming in, but i maybe believe this Fros7bite, since he posted first, etc... But who cares about my beliefs.  :mrgreen:

Just make everyone play on their keyboard only, this way there won't be any problems like this.  :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 24, 2011, 01:02:34 pm
I remember a game that was called "Söldner - Secret Wars". It was a shooter with different modern vehicles and weapons, actually a pretty ingenious game, where you were able to drive APCs as well.

Usually you kept your left mouse button pressed and the machine cannon fired at its own rate of fire, which varied from vehicle to vehicle. If you hammered as fast as you could on the left mouse button you were sometimes able to fire two shots immediately one after another.

One guy found out that if he uses a mouse macro that actually sends ten clicks every time he clicks the mouse, he could fire the machine cannons, which usually fire only 3-5 shots per secons at ten times the firing rate. You can imagine he killed other light tanks and helicopters withing the blink of an eye.

The admins refused to make this a bannable offense, as they claimed that there was no real border to be drawn from a better graphic card allowing you a higher resolution and spotting distant enemies better and a mouse making you shoot ten times faster. Which is utter bullshit.

What I want to say is: please check if the use of certain devices inflicts game balance like the one with the mouse. Spotting enemies is less of a game balance aspect than the different firing speed of the machine cannones of a Marder (20mm fast) and a BMD-2 (30mm slow)...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 24, 2011, 01:23:15 pm
That Thumber guy actually quoted me on some page...

Yes, its you i talked to, worthless piece of genetic waste.
You cant be offended by anything, i know, you just dont have anything in life except your "hax".

Btw. Good to see Vicious there "investigating" xD.

I think we ll soon see who will be missing in Greys Tournaments Lineup.
(no witchhunt involved)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 24, 2011, 01:25:14 pm
The Grey who cheated was Okocha btw.

Please avoid witch hunting, you might end up accusing somebody who didn't cheat (like you did right now :|).
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 24, 2011, 01:26:25 pm
Yeah, please let's not have any half-assed character assassinations based on little to no information.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 24, 2011, 01:28:03 pm
Pft, if she drowns she's innocent.

People of Calradia, let the witch hunt begin!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: bosco on May 24, 2011, 01:40:24 pm
Pft, if she drowns she's innocent.

People of Calradia, let the witch hunt begin!


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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 24, 2011, 01:47:52 pm
The Grey who cheated was Okocha btw.

You're confusing someone who can block (and hiltslash  :mad: ) with someone who is cheating.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Siiem on May 24, 2011, 03:03:31 pm
hacz0r = http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=2790
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 24, 2011, 03:11:00 pm
Okocha actually was the first name i remembered, but yea, edited my post.

xD
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: dynamike on May 24, 2011, 03:13:46 pm
Saw Farmer_Nate on yesterday. I call

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  :twisted:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MrShine on May 24, 2011, 03:20:45 pm
I am going to take a wild guess and say that solitario666 is Vicious

If you read the whole thread (which I did... probably wasn't a good idea to link directly to the cheating website whoever did that) you'll see that vicious was actually trolling/cussing the cheaters out the whole time.  He also made a thread awhile back about the hack and how you could spot it etc.

Overzealous maybe, but I doubt he was hacking.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: BlackMilk on May 24, 2011, 04:01:20 pm
If you read the whole thread (which I did... probably wasn't a good idea to link directly to the cheating website whoever did that) you'll see that vicious was actually trolling/cussing the cheaters out the whole time.  He also made a thread awhile back about the hack and how you could spot it etc.

Overzealous maybe, but I doubt he was hacking.
Why should he use an autoblock? He already got a steel shield.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Mr_Wpierdol on May 24, 2011, 04:30:24 pm
Okocha actually was the first name i remembered, but yea, edited my post.

xD

At all it doesnt mean I am haxor lol and I am sure people which were on tourmanets from Grey Order still there will be. So prepare for own by us  :twisted:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 24, 2011, 04:43:49 pm
Saw Farmer_Nate on yesterday. I call

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  :twisted:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Sinic on May 24, 2011, 04:45:25 pm
Why should he use an autoblock? He already got a steel shield.

Sir, I regret to inform you that with that hack your block speed would blot out the sun.

Also why be angry that Farmer_Nate isn't banned? He gets killed by goons all the time, thats punishment enough. DOH HO HO!

In all seriousness though echoing the sentiment the list should be given to clan leaders to ensure that they don't come back in any way, I mean if they pop on TS3 or vent it would be pretty obvious.

Alternatively.. 'Oh yes you use autoblock? Hi, heres my Crushthrough hammer, WHAT NOW SON?'
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Gorath on May 24, 2011, 05:08:49 pm
Can we guess and have you guys answer truthfully?  That would be a fun game.

My guesses:

Crymoar
Carebear_Harmless Peasant
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 24, 2011, 05:24:29 pm
At least the faction leaders who had cheaters in their ranks should be informed, that is a bare MINIMUM.

Otherwise, the only "punishment" for cheating -- and here we had people cheating for at least 3 weeks -- is having to buy a new Warband key, around 5€ (1 less pizza next month), not exactly a harsh punishment, nor anything that people would learn from, they'll just wait for an update on the hack or try to find another hack. When someone is caught they'll also 99.9% change their nickname, leaving behind no trace (except an IP for admins but that doesn't exactly justify anything for the community, plus most people have dynamic IP's anyway). Sure they lose their character and playtime invested, but if you've cheated your way through its not like they cared about the amount of time invested, they wanted to do it as fast as possible with as little effort as possible.

Cheaters should be shunned not protected, passive action like this is what leads to mass cheating.

Legally speaking there is no privacy concern in releasing character names unless they can be tied together to actual real names which again would lead to actual real addresses, do your research, protect the community.

I say we hunt down these heathens and lynch them! :twisted:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 24, 2011, 05:38:46 pm
If you read the whole thread (which I did... probably wasn't a good idea to link directly to the cheating website whoever did that) you'll see that vicious was actually trolling/cussing the cheaters out the whole time.  He also made a thread awhile back about the hack and how you could spot it etc.

Overzealous maybe, but I doubt he was hacking.

I never claimed that he was hacking. I read the thread and I know he was flaming the hackers.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MrShine on May 24, 2011, 05:44:17 pm
I never claimed that he was hacking. I read the thread and I know he was flaming the hackers.
I think someone else implied that he was.  I just quoted your post because the quote made it easy to respond to some of the others posters who commented.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Kafein on May 24, 2011, 05:44:56 pm
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Is he talking about Kappikulu_Sunnetci_Dede? (or something like that)  :shock:

Though he is shield cavalry and actually doesn't need such a program  :mrgreen:


No... the Kapikulu clan is much greater than it was back then (when I saw Dede playing all the time), and he probably is one of the best members.


Personally, I have to stop playing in may and june because of exams... :lol: I'm such a bad blocker anyway  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: HarunYahya on May 24, 2011, 06:07:31 pm
Someone got banned from Kapikulu ?
I still see Cicero on EU servers so i guess no one banned  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Digglez on May 24, 2011, 06:31:46 pm
It doesn't.

It is, however, a privacy concern.

That doesn't mean a lot to many people in times of facebook and google, but it sure as hell does to me.

So yeah, some people fucked up, doesn't mean I have to name&shame them.

Its not like you are running some MMO and people are paying you for access.  I dont see how releasing characters names that cheated is some how invading their privacy, theres no personal info involved.

Transparency is good.  So people know the system is working and those that are wrongly accused can be righted.  By not releasing names you make people suspicious that there is something to hide (ie....multiple ppl in a clan that shared cheat and got banned).

But of course the flip side is, its your mod, your the boss.  But you're seriously lacking in the documentation department~
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: La Makina on May 24, 2011, 06:38:56 pm
It is a mascarade. There is no list. chadz cannot detect hacker so he bluff to scare players.
Psychological warfare. Smart move.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 24, 2011, 06:40:58 pm
also totally explains why multiple people already admitted they got caught and their chars were gone  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 24, 2011, 06:45:33 pm
It is a mascarade. There is no list. chadz cannot detect hacker so he bluff to scare players.
Psychological warfare. Smart move.

Dang, caught out again.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 24, 2011, 07:23:13 pm
It is a mascarade. There is no list. chadz cannot detect hacker so he bluff to scare players.
Psychological warfare. Smart move.
wow, and you worked that out completely by yourself? amazing stuff, you must be the smartest guy on earth to think that such perfidiously move would be even possible to arrange. :shock:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Siiem on May 24, 2011, 07:48:35 pm
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: _JoG_ on May 24, 2011, 08:00:03 pm
Can we guess and have you guys answer truthfully?  That would be a fun game.

My guesses:

Crymoar
Carebear_Harmless Peasant
Are you serious?  :rolleyes:
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 24, 2011, 08:17:02 pm
It is a mascarade. There is no list. chadz cannot detect hacker so he bluff to scare players.
Psychological warfare. Smart move.

Do you have enough confidence in your theory to put it to the test, I wonder. :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on May 24, 2011, 08:25:40 pm
Do you have enough confidence in your theory to put it to the test, I wonder. :)
Well I can still join so obviously...

Uhmmm.

Nevermind, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: La Makina on May 24, 2011, 08:56:17 pm
I have no clue actually. That was a joke.  :|
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: RandomDude on May 24, 2011, 09:06:13 pm
Dont Hack, kids.

It's not Big.

It's not Clever.

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 24, 2011, 09:30:06 pm
I have no clue actually. That was a joke.  :|

Ditto. Seriously, I don't recommend it, chadz posted a long time ago that "I was only testing it out" wasn't a valid excuse. The detection is very real indeed, and everyone who came up red is gone.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on May 24, 2011, 09:43:53 pm
Witch hunts are fun. I'd also like a list of cheaters but a witch hunt and wild accusations will do.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Mamba on May 24, 2011, 09:47:50 pm
I didn't notice any goners of the people I honour so far, thats a good thing. But that also tells me that Cooties for example is the devil, and Torben a rider of the apocalypse or something.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Gorath on May 24, 2011, 10:47:40 pm
Are you serious?  :rolleyes:
 :mrgreen:
Only half serious.
 :mrgreen:

As in:  Those are the ONLY players I have ever been so impressed by their ability to block upwards of 6 guys simultaneously from all directions that I would even consider the possibility of an "autoblocker hack".

Everyone else either sucks, or is just really good.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 24, 2011, 10:57:39 pm
Do not Hack, children.

It is not Massive.

It is not Witty.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Matey on May 24, 2011, 11:25:53 pm
Ok a few things.

1. this is a medieval combat game. It is pretty obvious that we want witch hunts, its part of the time period!

2. some of the admins/devs were saying "we dont want these guys playing crpg" so... name and shame them. if you let them just blend back into the community with their reputation intact... thats no good. not to mention if they are just gonna make a new name and start from scratch... no one will know who they are anyways.

3. If anyone looked up to any of these guys... they deserve to know that they were cheating. Its like in the Olympics when someone gets a gold medal and everyone is like "yay he so awesaomz" but then a couple weeks later they get stripped of their medal for doping. you think they should just quietly do that without telling anyone? i dont think so.

4. witch hunts are fun!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Immolarian on May 24, 2011, 11:27:43 pm
Someone got banned from Kapikulu ?
I still see Cicero on EU servers so i guess no one banned  :mrgreen:

Cheatero you mean.  :?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: dynamike on May 24, 2011, 11:48:35 pm
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I read through the TKC forum posts and some of their website.

What a bunch of no-life sad losers.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: _JoG_ on May 25, 2011, 12:00:50 am
As in:  Those are the ONLY players I have ever been so impressed by their ability to block upwards of 6 guys simultaneously from all directions that I would even consider the possibility of an "autoblocker hack".

Everyone else either sucks, or is just really good.
Well, the thing is that he's the best US duelist since the times of the closed Warband beta  :wink:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 25, 2011, 12:28:50 am
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hell yeah, name and shame those blasphemers for lulz!  :evil:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Torak on May 25, 2011, 01:31:32 am
If you cheat you should be branded as a cheater by everyone in the community tell us there names its not there bank kode or there real names

Show us there names and let us brand them for al time!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: HarunYahya on May 25, 2011, 01:49:06 am
If you cheat you should be branded as a cheater by everyone in the community tell us there names its not there bank kode or there real names

Show us there names and let us brand them for al time!
Signed what Torrak said.
edit:I haven't seen Khorin lately...  :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on May 25, 2011, 01:50:56 am
Thank you for the compliment  :wink:

Also, some hilarious stuff on their forums.  :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Fros7bite on May 25, 2011, 03:48:23 am
I have a joystick emulator for my PC, I play Warband with an Xbox 360 controller. Could this be the issue?

Fros7bite

Hm.. i just tested this and this could actually indeed cause a false positive.

Is there anyone else that played Warband with an Xbox 360 controller and got reported?

I just want to get back into my game :/
Needless to say no more Xbox controller for me...

Fros7bite
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: ManOfWar on May 25, 2011, 05:24:24 am
Only half serious.
 :mrgreen:

As in:  Those are the ONLY players I have ever been so impressed by their ability to block upwards of 6 guys simultaneously from all directions that I would even consider the possibility of an "autoblocker hack".

Everyone else either sucks, or is just really good.

Ive dueled carebear, I dont think he hacks, crymoar, I always thought they were the same person, never got to fight crymoar :(
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Matey on May 25, 2011, 05:44:24 am
funny thing about all this... posting the list will actually stop the witch hunt. if you dont name em, everyone who is inactive is going to be called a hacker.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Allers on May 25, 2011, 06:09:02 am
Ive dueled carebear, I dont think he hacks, crymoar, I always thought they were the same person, never got to fight crymoar :(

unlike you, I haz :P

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: DrKronic on May 25, 2011, 06:33:22 am
I like how people try to say its 70% US players lol yah right I bet because of effects of where the actual player population is from its actually slightly weighted similarly towards EU/International over just US

hey can we at least know demographics, like mostly reported as male/female, EU/US, long time players or mostly new? I mean we'll *know* eventually because friends of these players will tell us right I just wonder who actually wants to cheat at a game

stop asking for a list people, lets get clues or like can we get a cool haiku about it from the devs?

Al_Adin is a gameplay element, not a cheater.



btw this is the coolest thing I heard about in this thread(does it shoot fireballs?) because I specifically asked for this kind of thing in suggestions, does anyone have a pic of this guy in action lol or even a video
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: POOPHAMMER on May 25, 2011, 06:38:09 am
I like how people try to say its 70% US players lol yah right I bet because of effects of where the actual player population is from its actually slightly weighted similarly towards EU/International over just US

hey can we at least know demographics, like mostly reported as male/female, EU/US, long time players or mostly new? I mean we'll *know* eventually because friends of these players will tell us right I just wonder who actually wants to cheat at a game

stop asking for a list people, lets get clues or like can we get a cool haiku about it from the devs?



btw this is the coolest thing in this thread because I specifically asked for this kind of thing in suggestions, does anyone have a pic of this guy in action lol or even a video

I have seen him in action with my own eyes. It was magical. There is also a video. Sadly I can not find it.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: POOPHAMMER on May 25, 2011, 06:40:10 am
Just kidding here you go

http://www.xfire.com/video/45e910/
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jambi on May 25, 2011, 06:44:14 am
Please avoid witch hunting, you might end up accusing somebody who didn't cheat (like you did right now :|).

Uhm... While i agree with the witchhunt part...

chadz & Co.... kind of provoced the whole witchhunt thing, by not releasing the list.

By not releasing the list it will actually hurt more people, then the actual number of hackers banned.

Skimming thru this whole thread. I can already see people that, are clearly not banned.... been guessed of being one of the hackers.

If the developers want to rule with an iron fist, by keeping things secretive.. like the banned list and patch notes etc.... and troll any opposition too redicule with power displays, you shouldnt have said anything at all about the hack bans.

Either tell us everything, or tell us nothing. By telling us half arsed stuff, you only get disorder.

Yeah, please let's not have any half-assed character assassinations based on little to no information.
+1

Damnit Okin, why do i keep agreeing with you.... might have to soon put you on my "Likeable Admins With Reason" list... wich is very limited to only few :D

But you prolly wouldnt care...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Gorath on May 25, 2011, 06:59:26 am
Well, the thing is that he's the best US duelist since the times of the closed Warband beta  :wink:

Oh?  Honestly hadn't heard that.  Same nick this whole time?  Never saw him on any native servers pre-cRPG.  Well it would explain why I thought he was the only person worthy of levelling a half-serious accusation on.   :P 

*Wasn't dueling them that got me, I was cool with that and those two were beatable in duels... every now and then... with luck.  It was the blocking a circle of players all with different attacks gangbanging on them that ever made me go "Hmmm... he's good, but he blocked two side swings, an overhead AND a thrust from behind him all at once... interesting..."  I mean, that is pretty redonkulous to watch.   :wink:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 25, 2011, 07:55:28 am
funny thing about all this... posting the list will actually stop the witch hunt. if you dont name em, everyone who is inactive is going to be called a hacker.

Agree here.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Beauchamp on May 25, 2011, 10:18:49 am
Look at it this way: anyone you run into from now on has a clean record. However, if anyone you know suddenly disappears off the servers, then maybe, just maybe...
it leads to speculations only, just make it public. i'm not going to read through the whole thread, but i'm sure there were already a couple of accusations against people that were totally innocent and disappeared from servers only to go to vacation or other RL issues and now some people think they are cheaters...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 25, 2011, 10:26:55 am
We can't release the list - if there would be one error, or, lets say, "borderline case" on it, that guy would lose his reputation forever, and I really don't want to say "yeah this guy was on the list, but we took him off again, so he is no cheater any more". Yeah, well, I wouldn't want to be that victim.

I'm not saying that we are unbanning people caught cheating, but we're treating cases individually here. There is hardly any doubt about the evidence, but still, we give people the chance to talk about it.

If the list would be released that chance wouldn't mean shit. The punishment would be done before the end result of the case.

However, we can probably accept that clan leaders can contact someone of the dev team (not me) if a member of them was cheating. We could probably tell that to those people, as I understand they have a justified interest in it.

For the rest, you are just an angry mob that wants to see drama, and I'm not giving in to a mob. Criminals (or in this case, cheaters), have rights too.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Varric on May 25, 2011, 10:29:42 am
Hate you!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Beauchamp on May 25, 2011, 10:50:35 am
Hate you!
+1
aye i also wanted to see the drama, of course.

borderline case means those people that played with it once only to test it and deleted it afterwards? aye those were not cheating (at least in my eyes) and shouldn't be on the list. or they might get some 1 month ban or something, but nothing permanent. those that used it on regular basis should be of course banned forever. or 1 usage = 14 days ban - than in the case of those that really abused it it would mean life sentence anyways hehe.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: RiPLeY_II on May 25, 2011, 10:56:27 am
We can't release the list - if there would be one error, or, lets say, "borderline case" on it, that guy would lose his reputation forever, and I really don't want to say "yeah this guy was on the list, but we took him off again, so he is no cheater any more". Yeah, well, I wouldn't want to be that victim.

I'm not saying that we are unbanning people caught cheating, but we're treating cases individually here. There is hardly any doubt about the evidence, but still, we give people the chance to talk about it.

If the list would be released that chance wouldn't mean shit. The punishment would be done before the end result of the case.

However, we can probably accept that clan leaders can contact someone of the dev team (not me) if a member of them was cheating. We could probably tell that to those people, as I understand they have a justified interest in it.

For the rest, you are just an angry mob that wants to see drama, and I'm not giving in to a mob. Criminals (or in this case, cheaters), have rights too.

This is probably one of the most uttermost defence of civil rights i've seen in a while, and we're to find it in a game forum (sometimes real judges or rulers do it worst than it's been done here).

Good decision chadz, no public and parallel judgement cand do well to the people involved.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 25, 2011, 10:59:24 am
Yes, we are an angry mob.
Yes, we want drama.

Witch hunt, witch hunt!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Camaris on May 25, 2011, 10:59:30 am
+1
aye i also wanted to see the drama, of course.

borderline case means those people that played with it once only to test it and deleted it afterwards? aye those were not cheating (at least in my eyes) and shouldn't be on the list. or they might get some 1 month ban or something, but nothing permanent. those that used it on regular basis should be of course banned forever. or 1 usage = 14 days ban - than in the case of those that really abused it it would mean life sentence anyways hehe.

No everyone would came and tell us they were not cheating.
Sorry chadz wrote NOT to use that cheat on CRPG servers even if you only want to test it.
I can live with not being told who cheated. I cant live with cheaters getting their account back because they are telling storys nobody can proof wrong.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 25, 2011, 11:22:28 am
Poeple who dont give a damm about others, or consider to go for exploits/hax....oh yeah, they surely deserve something they tried to take away from others...which is fairness.

Dont you think this should be considered as a try to destroy the community, the hard work of any dev and even worse, try to render every deserved, donated euro worthless?

Sorry, but the given arguements for not publishing are all invalid.
Justice and truth are pure and they always hurt, but they are undeniable.

They took the fairness away from us,  now give us something back by giving truth and justice a face atleast.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on May 25, 2011, 11:26:20 am
he already told you in the post you quoted.

not with their old chars, at least.

first: he didnt really explain

second: arent they banned by IP? :p
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jambi on May 25, 2011, 11:26:49 am
We can't release the list - if there would be one error, or, lets say, "borderline case" on it, that guy would lose his reputation forever, and I really don't want to say "yeah this guy was on the list, but we took him off again, so he is no cheater any more". Yeah, well, I wouldn't want to be that victim.

I'm not saying that we are unbanning people caught cheating, but we're treating cases individually here. There is hardly any doubt about the evidence, but still, we give people the chance to talk about it.

If the list would be released that chance wouldn't mean shit. The punishment would be done before the end result of the case.

However, we can probably accept that clan leaders can contact someone of the dev team (not me) if a member of them was cheating. We could probably tell that to those people, as I understand they have a justified interest in it.

For the rest, you are just an angry mob that wants to see drama, and I'm not giving in to a mob. Criminals (or in this case, cheaters), have rights too.

yeah sounds sweet and all... that was prolly an expensive can of insta-bullshit opened.

chadz,

Still doesnt make any sense, why you gave your admins and prolly developers the list of people you banned for cheating. You realy expect your admin and developer tools to keep there mouths shut? lol.. But.. whatever.

Anyways, i guess the mob can expect to see the list, once the people that didnt hack are filtered out.

The people that get banned for griefing or Tking are heavily discussed on the forum... for everybody to see. I dont see any diffrence for people using hacks in order to get banned, not to be publicly ban/unban trailed on the forums.

I'm not saying that we are unbanning people caught cheating, but we're treating cases individually here. There is hardly any doubt about the evidence, but still, we give people the chance to talk about it.

We give people a chance to talk about it...... lol.

Write a 500 word essay about donkey ass justice :D

Insta trial and execution..... but, you are kind enough to hear the convict out.

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 25, 2011, 01:59:36 pm
Until now I thought you didn't want to publish the list because you are just not a person who does things like that, which I could not identify with, but I would at least understand if you had a bad feeling about putting someone on the pillory, not everyone has (or is supposed to have) the needed "hardship".

But then you wrote something really important: the fact that you can't be entirely sure if someone really was cheating or not!

This is very important, as some of us don't want to be banned for using a program running in the background and influencing the game... like Teamspeak overlay!

Considering this fact that we know about this fact now, I think every ban will be seen with different eyes. So publishing the list would surely NOT totally kill the reputation of a player. Especially not if the only thing he was using was an Xbox-controller, and people know he wasn't D'Artagnan on the battlefield blocking three opponents simultaneously.

This insecurity lets me think about the ban time aswell. First of all: if you planned on banning cheater forever, then where is the interest in protecting their reputation? What do they need it for yet?

But as the ban can be unjustified, I would usggest the following thing:

Ban for a certain time (1-3 months) and character reset to level 1. So if he wants to, he can keep his name and go on playing after some time. If he does so, it is a pretty sure sign of a will to improve, and I am sure if he keeps on playing without hack, and probably sucks at the beginning, but is getting better and better at blocking (and behaves kindly to his fellow players, of course), people will appreciate this, and be more like "See? Cheating was unnecessary, you CAN block!", as - to be honest - a single well blocking enemy some months ago won't put you in such a rage. Killing the reputation first is a MUST, as this reputation was unjustified!

But if he chooses to change his name he doesn't need his reputation any more, so there is no need to protect his name. (Next to the fact, that I, among many others, think, that they didn't deserve this protection at all)

In both cases it's unlikely that they will cheat again, as they know you are watching it (and probably especially them), and you said it's a technological race, so you will never know if your new hack won't be discovered again. Btw. if this really happens a lifetime ban should be adequate.

The list has also the great purpose of deterring future hackers. They know they won't be banned secretly and leave behind a good reputation of a mighty warrior, they know people will be told about what they did. And as most of us are above 12 and should know what they do, they are all responsible for their deeds and thus should take the consequences.


Just think about it this way:

What will happen if you publish the list, and what will happen in you don't!

I think if you publish it you will punish those who deserved it, you will calm down the community and you will provide a deterrence for future hackers.

If you don't punish it you will start the real witch hunt with wild accusations and a lot of gossip behind the backs of others, you are telling hackers that in worst case they lose their character, but they will still have the satisfaction of having been "KillaKnight96", a well known player and name in the community and a nightmare on the servers. And you are giving a hint that you don't really need to feel responsible for what you do, as you are protected from the consequences by keeping your name secretly.

The only problem are the wrong bans, but I think hiding the names would be the wrong measure.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tzar on May 25, 2011, 02:01:26 pm
If people are cought with the hack they should be perma banned lol

Dont give em the chance to comeback in 14 days or 1 month and rinse and repeat...

Cheaters will always cheat  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: krampe on May 25, 2011, 02:01:49 pm
We can't release the list - if there would be one error, or, lets say, "borderline case" on it, that guy would lose his reputation forever, and I really don't want to say "yeah this guy was on the list, but we took him off again, so he is no cheater any more". Yeah, well, I wouldn't want to be that victim.

I'm not saying that we are unbanning people caught cheating, but we're treating cases individually here. There is hardly any doubt about the evidence, but still, we give people the chance to talk about it.

If the list would be released that chance wouldn't mean shit. The punishment would be done before the end result of the case.

However, we can probably accept that clan leaders can contact someone of the dev team (not me) if a member of them was cheating. We could probably tell that to those people, as I understand they have a justified interest in it.

For the rest, you are just an angry mob that wants to see drama, and I'm not giving in to a mob. Criminals (or in this case, cheaters), have rights too.

Omg, you gave us forks, you gave us torches and now you DENY us the witches to burn?! How rude :(

Who cares let's burn the exmy old friends, they are similar to hags!

P.S. Give xp back on duel server :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tristan on May 25, 2011, 02:05:42 pm
We can't release the list - if there would be one error, or, lets say, "borderline case" on it, that guy would lose his reputation forever, and I really don't want to say "yeah this guy was on the list, but we took him off again, so he is no cheater any more". Yeah, well, I wouldn't want to be that victim.

I'm not saying that we are unbanning people caught cheating, but we're treating cases individually here. There is hardly any doubt about the evidence, but still, we give people the chance to talk about it.

If the list would be released that chance wouldn't mean shit. The punishment would be done before the end result of the case.

However, we can probably accept that clan leaders can contact someone of the dev team (not me) if a member of them was cheating. We could probably tell that to those people, as I understand they have a justified interest in it.

For the rest, you are just an angry mob that wants to see drama, and I'm not giving in to a mob. Criminals (or in this case, cheaters), have rights too.

+1
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Korgoth on May 25, 2011, 02:15:45 pm
Cheaters will always cheat  :rolleyes:

Amen
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 25, 2011, 02:27:50 pm
Omg, you gave us forks, you gave us torches and now you DENY us the witches to burn?! How rude :(

Who cares let's burn the exmy old friends, they are similar to hags!

P.S. Give xp back on duel server :P

Egoistensau.


Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vicious666 on May 25, 2011, 02:33:55 pm
If there is a thing i  learned   in internet,    when i was admin on clanbase, for looking cheaters on counterstrike and other fps, is that    CHEATERS have no rights.  and by shaming   cheater   you honour the honest.


You make the list, and now tell us  you  not want  to release it,     so you are on double mistake,     first of all if you not wanna that list will be release, you should not make it in first place, becouse soon or later someone will talk.      and the names will be spitted out.   
I played many games online since 1996,  and no community ever protected cheaters under bullshit like they have rights, or  privacy, we talk about internet nicknames here, there is no privacy and there is no rights,      a criminal is a criminal even if is an  e-criminal.     

Nothing bring  me up more rage and disgust than the sensation that some of this scumbag  may return to play with the exact same nick and none of us will know that. and maybe    one of this looser  can end on my clan, or return on his own clan.

so who you are protecting  ?   your community ? or them ?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: polkafranzi on May 25, 2011, 02:46:57 pm
If there is a thing i  learned   in internet,    when i was admin on clanbase, for looking cheaters on counterstrike and other fps, is that    CHEATERS have no rights.  and by shaming   cheater   you honour the honest.


You make the list, and now tell us  you  not want  to release it,     so you are on double mistake,     first of all if you not wanna that list will be release, you should not make it in first place, becouse soon or later someone will talk.      and the names will be spitted out.   
I played many games online since 1996,  and no community ever protected cheaters under bullshit like they have rights, or  privacy, we talk about internet nicknames here, there is no privacy and there is no rights,      a criminal is a criminal even if is an  e-criminal.     

Nothing bring  me up more rage and disgust than the sensation that some of this scumbag  may return to play with the exact same nick and none of us will know that. and maybe    one of this looser  can end on my clan, or return on his own clan.

so who you are protecting  ?   your community ? or them ?

this
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EyeBeat on May 25, 2011, 02:59:24 pm
I have gotten away with using the autoblocker hack because I use it with my huscarl. 

It also messes up when I try to auto manual block with my long dagger.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Cicero on May 25, 2011, 03:01:33 pm
If you gonna announce the list , people will know who to humiliate and that what a cheater deserves.
After you announce the list , if u gonna say something like "Guys we got the cheater bla bla" then "But we throw his corpse to sea and we finally understand he is innocent." , people will know who to humiliate and that what an admin deserves.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 25, 2011, 04:44:52 pm
unlike you, I haz :P

(click to show/hide)

Holy shit allers, that's an old picture. That's from like...the original crpg(the time when you were always being kicked before the goons showed up ;p ). I haven't had the Name Lt_Anders_of_Rose in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 05:25:25 pm
However, we can probably accept that clan leaders can contact someone of the dev team (not me) if a member of them was cheating. We could probably tell that to those people, as I understand they have a justified interest in it.

As long as faction leaders are informed of the vermin in their ranks, all is well, we can call off both the posse and the witch hunt.
THEN justice is served because - hopefully - our faction leaders would protect us against these cheaters being able to prey more on us.

However, I have to say I too do not feel at ease with the indecision to release the list, first it is proclaimed to hold only 100% cheaters and now, well not so sure with the joystick users apparently? I too would not publish a list of names where I am not 100% everyone on it is guilty, BUT, that also speaks to the failure of the detection then, sadly, IF you trust in your detection then release the list, if you do not trust it, then don't, it is really that simple. Otherwise, check for faults as with the joystick, then remove the false positives and release the character names.

Someone also commented on Civil Right issues, that is a very silly statement to make, I know the law, especially how it applicate online, there is nothing about protecting gamer characters or gamer nicknames in the laws ALL AROUND THE GLOBE, nothing what so ever at all. All we have in the gaming world to trust is ourselves, and frankly Vic666 is right (who would have known!) - I've been in and out of the gaming industry for over a decade, in a ton of different fields and I've never seen cheaters be protected like this before -- however some of it indirectly -- but what signal isn't this also sending to people who used that hack and not to mention the guy who created the hack, now he sees that people might get banned, which I doubt he hadn't foreseen, but now just wait for an update on his hack (or a new hack) and then buy a new key. This is the first step to how games become full of cheaters, look at 'gaming history'. Simply banning cheaters is not enough.

Remember, Warband is 5€, that is nothing, not even for a 13 year old, EVERY cheater who is caught WILL buy a new key, find a NEW hack and then return with the same nick just slightly altered, or perhaps a completely new one, either way, all of us honest players, us who donated 24/7 to the game, who try and support the community, and who doesn't cheat or play only with consideration of ourselves, we are cast aside. Very bad decision and move. You will only infest the mod with more cheaters.

I think it is time you think about those who actually support this mod, those who donate to keep it going, cheaters are not here for the community, for you, for us, they're here to ruin the experience for everyone else and derail the development of the game. They do not deserve anything and gaming characters do not have rights, stop bringing 'rights' into an issue like this it is extremely ignorant, we're not talking about releasing peoples real life names, their addresses or even anything that could truly identify them, just simple character names from a small mod.

What this comes down to is whether the development team trusts their detection, or they don't - and since it would seem things as simple as using a joystick would slip by, yea well. Just don't blame it on rights or privacy issues, there is NO ACTUAL LEGAL OBLIGATION. Now. if you simply just do not want to release the list, then sure, that is your provocative, just don't blame it on any sort of legal issue pertaining to gaming - there is none.

-

The fit punishment for cheating is the same as in most eSports:
This has worked well for over a decade without anything bad ever to happen. If someone were indeed innocent they would be proclaimed innocent, officially and publicly, I personally do not recall any issues - ever.


* Typos and less raging about cheaters :wink:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 25, 2011, 05:43:00 pm
That's right. I know from other games where in the forum you can find sticky topics with banned players and the reasons. It's for the sake of transparency (both what happened to players and controlling the admin decisions) and deterrence.

And even if someone was accused being a cheater but then it was revoked, I don't think anyone will attack the player for it anyway.

Example:

Quote
April 1st 2011: Player "Balton" banned for being a gay retard

May 5th 2011: Player "Fros7bite" banned for using external cheat program

Edit: May 6th 2001: Player "Fros7bite" unbanned, cheat detection gave wrong alarm, he was using an Xbox controler with emulator. Full client rights restored.

Who would seriously attack Fros7bite? What for?

Even if it's a top player who is blocking really well: unless he keeps on playing much worse than before his detection you can be sure his blokcing is true, as he probably won't (be able any more) keep on using the hack.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: LordBerenger on May 25, 2011, 05:51:57 pm
Balton was a great visionary. But the Catholic church silenced him as they found his ideas and thoughts offensive! Trolololol
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 25, 2011, 05:53:29 pm
I am not exactly sure how some people can claim that cheaters are not protected like this anywhere else.
In most games they are just silently banned and you never see them again.
Same happened here.
What i learned from it: Never talk about existing lists again and there won't be any problems...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 05:54:26 pm
Exactly, common logics there Joker.

Not to mention, Fros7bite, is pretty much the free example proving us right, it is not like it turned into a witch hunt or mob trying to lynch him, in fact everything went pretty civil and straight forward, there is way less trolling in this thread than I would expect seeing in any another game really; Fros7bite came here, proclaimed his innocence, chadz checked it out and now everything is peachy. This whole situation pretty much nullifies all the statements for not releasing the list, the number one reason was not giving in to a mob or witch hunts, but here we have someone labeled a cheater by the detection, coming on the forums to proclaim his innocence and it all worked out, nobody slandered him, he didn't receive hate texts, pretty much couldn't have hoped for a better result here it was perfect, very civilized everyone...

So what is the issue, really?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Varric on May 25, 2011, 06:01:47 pm
It's ture, this announcement was made to reassure people that there's an anti-hack in place, it turned into a pointless witch-hunt.

Now that they know there's an anti-hack, further announcements or updates on the matter will not be necessary, in fact this thread being open in the first place wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 06:07:57 pm
I am not exactly sure how some people can claim that cheaters are not protected like this anywhere else.
In most games they are just silently banned and you never see them again.
Same happened here.
What i learned from it: Never talk about existing lists again and there won't be any problems...

Aww Meow, that's a horrible thing to write, transparency is always best otherwise what is left is basically fascism.
However of course it is always up to the developers of a specific game which direction they wish to take. Sadly it seems transparency is not supported here :( Fair enough though - of course.

Anyway, in terms of "protecting cheaters" - You are, look at other games of the same caliber as CRPG, they do not protect cheaters by keeping them a secret. Yes Blizzard does with World of Warcraft but you can draw absolutely zero distinction from WoW to CRPG in terms of cheating, not to mention that Blizzard in fact does not ban all cheaters, this is a fact undisputed, and even so when someone is banned in WoW it will be noticed due to several facts that also pertain in other games:
Warband is a 5€ game, CRPG is free. The only punishment for a cheater would be buying a new game and trying to cheat again with something else.
If you study computer games and anti cheat protection you will notice that games which ONLY silently disposes of cheaters will suffer greatly, because cheat developers and cheaters will see it as a free pass to wreck havoc.

We need something more to protect the community from cheaters than a simple ban.

Why is it so important to protect these scum anyway? Did someone we can't know about get banned?

There is nothing which can get people (and my self included) riled up more than cheaters :evil: and in my opinion you should trust your community here.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 25, 2011, 06:11:30 pm
Fros7bite came here, proclaimed his innocence, chadz checked it out and now everything is peachy.

I really should work on my sarcasm..

Edit: also, the longer this thread goes on, the more info is released, and by that you reinforce the cheat developers.

Even me saying that does it.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 06:17:20 pm
I really should work on my sarcasm..
Whether you checked it out or not isn't the actual point here, if you didn't then shame on you really :wink:.

The fact that no one tried to LYNCH Fros7bite, is the POINT here.

You all stated that we'd start a witch hunt, a mob, a posse to hunt these people down, and yet someone is here proclaiming not to have cheated due to whatever and no one started anything aggressive.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Corwin on May 25, 2011, 06:19:48 pm
I really should work on my sarcasm..

Sarcasm seldom translates into written words.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 25, 2011, 06:22:13 pm
Next to the fact that published nicknames don't contain any clues about (anti-) hacking tools. Except of the basic information which hack was detected, but you can be sure at least one of the banned players will contact the hack developer to complain, so they will get to know anyway.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 06:25:04 pm
If you're worried about cheat developers gaining any knowledge to hack the game via this thread then release the character names and most will never dare to use those hacks, only people who truly don't care and they don't matter anyway. Doing NOTHING (and banning them only = nothing) as now is what will have them persist, if people are called out they'll think twice about using the hack since it'd have repercussions for them, as it is now you eat one less pizza a month and you're saved basically, just buy a new key and add another letter to your nickname ("Oh guys I rerolled a new class, hated the old one"). Not like generations matter in Strategus anyway...

Exposing cheaters is the only way to fight them, leaving your trust solely in detection is seldom the right answer.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Butan on May 25, 2011, 06:27:58 pm
in fact this thread being open in the first place wasn't necessary.

Pretty much.

Even if communication between dev and players is always welcome.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 25, 2011, 06:30:19 pm
The reason of this announcement was to stop the witchhunt that has been going on before.

Good players were accused of cheating, and this was hurting the community.

The point is, we take care of it. You don't have to worry about cheats, we do. We always have, we always will.

Also, the fascism theory is silly. It would be fascism if we'd ban cheaters, their forum acc and take them any way of bringing this to the public.

Every affected person is free to discuss his case in public. Full transparency.

Pretty much.

Even if communication between dev and players is always welcome.
Freedom of speech. Another thing I like.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Corwin on May 25, 2011, 06:33:16 pm
If you're worried about cheat developers gaining any knowledge to hack the game via this thread then release the character names and most will never dare to use those hacks, only people who truly don't care and they don't matter anyway.
I think that part was also a joke.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 06:40:32 pm
I think that part was also a joke.

You "think" - well think away. I know. I've worked for over a decade in the gaming industry.

The joystick issue is actually a valid concern in other games, especially in terms of cheat detection.

Edit:

Anyway to close things up on my end;
End of story, as long as #1 will continue to be applicable then all is well as I wrote in my original post. The rest of my postings are simply to battle the reasoning of not releasing the list.

Death to cheaters :mad:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 25, 2011, 06:47:46 pm
I sense this thread approaching tne Lock status. We are going in circles and have been for some time now.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 25, 2011, 06:48:59 pm
wtf??? i was tried to logging in and it was saying my character did net exist and kicked me((
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: RiPLeY_II on May 25, 2011, 07:14:44 pm
I'll tell you a short story.

Yo know the code of Hammurabi? It's considered one of  the firsts full legal text found in history (in tablets). It introduced (amongst many other things) one simple concept, it is the "Eye for an eye".

By today standards, "eye for an eye" is a barbaric idea. In fact it could be. It stated, for example, that someone who robbed something (p.e. grain and food to eat) must have his hands cut. But the thing is that the code of Hammurabi is revolutionary itself and indeed a really good legal test if we take circumstances ant timebeing into account. Why? Before it existed, the legimate owner of the grain could punish the robber in the way he wanted , which often ended in public judgement and public death. The code just established what they considered -at that time- fair punishement for concrete faults.

So the question is: are we punishing cheaters hard enough??? I mean, they're banned for life with their account (we cut their hands). Do we want them to have the "cheater flag" forever because they made an error (some of them probably just "tested" the cheat")? Do we want to KILL them, like it was done before the Code oF Hammurabi existed (and that was around 1700 a.C)

I don't support cheaters, in fact i haven´t tried a single one in my life (gaming since the beggining of the 90's), but I'd say cheaters have had their punishement. Some of them will buy another key and will continue playing. In my opinion, most of them won't cheat anymore (at least in this game), some of them are just assholes and will go on (and they will eventually get caught again). But to the first group, those who made an error and just want to go on playing without cheating and have taken responsibility on their actions (they paid with the ban), if would be really unfair to have that "Cheater Flag" forever in our little community.

This said, please dev's retain their ip's. If they ban for a second time, I would agree to make them public and thus receive hard mob punishement.

But please, do we want to be harder than "pre 1700 a.C" citizens?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Paul on May 25, 2011, 07:26:09 pm
I think most players like the American approach: roast the criminal on the electric chair(best with "forgetting" to wet the sponge) while the relatives of the victim watch. Too bad the majority of the cRPG devs are EU though.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 25, 2011, 07:31:16 pm
I think most players like the American approach: roast the criminal on the electric chair(best with "forgetting" to wet the sponge) while the relatives of the victim watch. Too bad the majority of the cRPG devs are EU though.

That is not the American approach, that is southern nonsense. Thank you for the stereotype.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Paul on May 25, 2011, 07:35:31 pm
I wasn't serious, obviously.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 25, 2011, 07:38:36 pm
Paul = redneck in disguise
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on May 25, 2011, 07:55:47 pm
DUN DUN DUNNNNN

I never guessed it!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on May 25, 2011, 08:05:39 pm
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Keshian on May 25, 2011, 08:18:58 pm
I think most players like the American approach: roast the criminal on the electric chair(best with "forgetting" to wet the sponge) while the relatives of the victim watch. Too bad the majority of the cRPG devs are EU though.

Somebody has been watching too much of "The Green Mile" and assuming thats how modern americans are, just like watching how in England 100 years ago, public hangings were a festival event doesn't mean the modern English are barbaric creatons.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 25, 2011, 08:20:20 pm
I wasn't serious, obviously.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 25, 2011, 08:29:01 pm
wtf??? i was tried to logging in and it was saying my character did net exist and kicked me((

The sad thing is, if you had used one less question mark, twenty people would've already posted "OMG LOL HAAHHA STUPID YOU ARE HACK!"
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Corwin on May 25, 2011, 08:38:01 pm
Was that, at least, Texas approach? Or am I stereotyping the Great Free State of Texas?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: LordBerenger on May 25, 2011, 08:42:15 pm
That casual cRPG gaming girl from Texas will become pissed with all the bad things that have been said about Texas.

Mark my words! She will unleash her fury upon ye!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Gnjus on May 25, 2011, 08:55:54 pm
That casual cRPG gaming girl from Texas will all that have said about Texas offensive.

Mark my words! She will unleash her fury upon ye!

No she won't....Vicky is a country lady and Corwin is an outlaw.......you know what they say: ladies love outlaws.  :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYTSwGNLPsE
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 25, 2011, 08:58:08 pm
I'll tell you a short story.

Yo know the code of Hammurabi? It's considered one of  the firsts full legal text found in history (in tablets). It introduced (amongst many other things) one simple concept, it is the "Eye for an eye".

By today standards, "eye for an eye" is a barbaric idea. In fact it could be. It stated, for example, that someone who robbed something (p.e. grain and food to eat) must have his hands cut. But the thing is that the code of Hammurabi is revolutionary itself and indeed a really good legal test if we take circumstances ant timebeing into account. Why? Before it existed, the legimate owner of the grain could punish the robber in the way he wanted , which often ended in public judgement and public death. The code just established what they considered -at that time- fair punishement for concrete faults.

So the question is: are we punishing cheaters hard enough??? I mean, they're banned for life with their account (we cut their hands). Do we want them to have the "cheater flag" forever because they made an error (some of them probably just "tested" the cheat")? Do we want to KILL them, like it was done before the Code oF Hammurabi existed (and that was around 1700 a.C)

I don't support cheaters, in fact i haven´t tried a single one in my life (gaming since the beggining of the 90's), but I'd say cheaters have had their punishement. Some of them will buy another key and will continue playing. In my opinion, most of them won't cheat anymore (at least in this game), some of them are just assholes and will go on (and they will eventually get caught again). But to the first group, those who made an error and just want to go on playing without cheating and have taken responsibility on their actions (they paid with the ban), if would be really unfair to have that "Cheater Flag" forever in our little community.
This said, please dev's retain their ip's. If they ban for a second time, I would agree to make them public and thus receive hard mob punishement.

But please, do we want to be harder than "pre 1700 a.C" citizens?

1. Actually it's cutting their finger nails. They can grow a new tool for their crime any time by purchasing another really cheap copy.

2. They're banned anyway. So they won't suffer from the cheater flag. And the community has a right to know that this guy who owned them so many times did this by hacking.

3.If they buy a new copy they will probably use a new nickname. If they don't, it's a sign they try to improve, and that they learn out of their mistakes.

And I am pretty sure the anti hack program can see whether somebody uses a hack once on a duel server or over several days on a battle server. So a ban announcement could give the hint that it was a one time usage of a hack, and thus the ban shouldn't be permanent. I don't think the community will be too rude to him afterwards, especially as it's obvious he will be under surveillance.



Btw. "eye for an eye" isn't THAT barbaric. To me it sounds RELATIVELY fair. You know, if you do good things, you get rewarded accordingly. You go for work - you get your wage. You present a nice hand bag to your girl friend, and you get a blowjob.

Now what would be the adequate punishment for breaking someone's leg? The easiest and probably most obvious way to "reward" such a deed in exactly the same extent would be, to do the same to him. As you sow, so you shall reap. This counts for both good and bad things.

Of course there are a lot of other things to be taken into concern, so I don't really support the "eye for an eye" idea. Btw. "eye for an eye" in itself is no system for punishment/judgement, it's rather a simple rule ony for estimating the extent of the punishment.

Btw. I find you argumentation is simply wide-eyed.

By banning them you take away any further playing from them. But they already HAD a lot of fun they didn't deserve, by killing other players, owning them and feeling like being something "better" than they are. As they have acquired this illegaly, it needs to be taken away from them, again. And the only way to do this is to inform the other players, that the hacker actually was NOT better than them, and thus all the "glory" was false.

A good part of your - and especially of the hackers' - motivation of playing a multiplayer game is the good feeling of defeating someone and being better. This only works if the chances were equal or oven against you. (Except of hackers, who are willing to be happy about every win to compensate for their tiny little penises). This way players, who even managed once to kill the hacker can feel more proud of it, as soon as they get to know about the cheating. And the other way round, players who got killed by the hacker don't feel that bad any more, as they knew the fight wasn't even.

This way it's not only punishment for the hacker, but also care for the victims, which you appearantly totally forget. And in my eyes, this is far more than just "eye for an eye".
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: DaveUKR on May 25, 2011, 09:10:49 pm
I got banned for cheating :oops: Shogunates are great experts.

PS. Hardsteppa still thinks that i'm a cheater  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: RiPLeY_II on May 25, 2011, 09:19:45 pm
This way it's not only punishment for the hacker, but also care for the victims, which you appearantly totally forget. And in my eyes, this is far more than just "eye for an eye".
The care for the victims is done. You have no way to repay damage done when talking about a videogame cheat (do you intend to make the banned cheaters pay a fine???). I forget the victims because there's no way to repay that, other than having a cheat-free game. If you want to know who cheated is not because of a repaying matter, but more likely just a revenge desire ... which is what pre-Hammurabi had (maybe not your case, but likely a lot people one).

By the way, eye for an eye is not a simple rule. It takes its name directly from a particular article in the Code of Hammurabbi. "If a man puts out the eye of a patrician, his eye shall be put out". The "eye for an eye" punishments were clearly defined, not thought upon a rule.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Joker86 on May 25, 2011, 09:34:11 pm
All I am saying this is the following thing:


- By killing someone with the help of a hack, you harm someone

- This - already happened - harm CAN be undone, at least partially, by telling the victim that it was defeated by a cheat, not by a really skilled player

- If I have to evaluate the positive and negative effects of a) protecting the hacker and b) telling the victim about the cheat, I prefer latter, for a LOT of good reasons. The only reason to keep the hacker names secretely contains a favour for those hackers. Which is highly perverted, in my eyes.

As I already said: either the game died for this hacker, so he doesn't care for his reputation any more, or he will buy a new key and keep on playing under a new name, with or (more likely) without hack.

Either way the reputation of his old nick is of no interest for the hacker. So the only remaining effect of publishing the names would be the positive feelings of the victims.

If I knew of any case where a (well known) player was banned for hacking without making it public, and he buys another key and keeps on playing under a new nickname and totally sucking in the game, and he reads only once in the forum "remember [inser hacker name]? He really owned the on the servers. Too bad he stopped playing." and the hacker things "Heh! Cool! They're talking about me! Yeah!" the entire punishment system has failed in my eyes, due to a lot of reasons!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: CpTKiL on May 25, 2011, 09:56:49 pm
Hello

I feel guilty about cheating in this game...What kind of cheat you say of course "auto block hack" I used it because of rumors and thought of people using same hacks and that when I began to used it. Now I'm happy that I'm banned from this game.Why? because to me this game is like addicted and like a devil grab and will never release me no matter what I do but now I'm free!!!. YES IM FREE. Now I can focus on studying the tests, education, enjoy the outside life and nature. I'm very happy that I'm dumb enough to use the "auto block hack". I want to say sorry to all of those victim that I killed with help of this "auto block hack" but now I must face the consequent. Please accept my apology by giving away my money and items within 5-10 minutes.

chadz please leave me permanent Ban. Thank You

CPTKiller
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: polkafranzi on May 25, 2011, 09:58:06 pm
Hello

I feel guilty about cheating in this game...What kind of cheat you say of course "auto block hack" I used it because of rumors and thought of people using same hacks and that when I began to used it. Now I'm happy that I'm banned from this game.Why? because to me this game is like addicted and like a devil grab and will never release me no matter what I do but now I'm free!!!. YES IM FREE. Now I can focus on studying the tests, education, enjoy the outside life and nature. I'm very happy that I'm dumb enough to use the "auto block hack". I want to say sorry to all of those victim that I killed with help of this "auto block hack" but now I must face the consequent. Please accept my apology by giving away my money and items within 5-10 minutes.

chadz please leave me permanent Ban. Thank You

CPTKiller

apology accepted...now where are the rest of them xD
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: AgentQ on May 25, 2011, 10:00:49 pm
I am curious to know what this external program does? my understanding is scripting/ macros are not hacking.

I once wrote an auto right click script to help blocking (didn't improve block) . is that hacking?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EponiCo on May 25, 2011, 10:02:42 pm
What the hell is an autorightclick script?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: AgentQ on May 25, 2011, 10:04:45 pm
Not going to the details. if you played Counter Strike, buy script, sniper script should be familiar to you. I just want to clarify whether that's considered hacking in CRPG.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: IceManX on May 25, 2011, 10:17:03 pm
Good work chadz!

plz always look for cheaters and ban all of those shitbags!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYv3p2HN7is
watch this. So we should handle with every cheater!


Cheating in SP is perhaps okay. There you cant harm anybody or ruin his/her game feeling. And you can test out things which sometimes are not possible.
For me after the first play through and the game is good, i often test cheats or bugs/eastereggs and so on. Like in GTA where you can have unlimited life, ammo and so on, just for the fun.

But in MP Cheaters are shit! They ruin the game feeling for normal players and destroy it.
Ban all Cheaters on MP Games!

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 25, 2011, 10:19:59 pm
I just want to say thanks to everybody that make this thread possible. My evening coffes are more enjoyable than never and my english skills are rising up violently. Also some philosophical debate about morality in videogames makes all much more savoury.

 8-)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: CpTKiL on May 25, 2011, 10:30:15 pm
I guess it won't let me give away my items or money :(
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Lockt on May 25, 2011, 10:34:15 pm
I guess it won't let me give away my items or money :(

Of course not.  Being able to give your million gold and triple heirlooms that you obtained through cheating to your $6 alt would kind of defeat the purpose of the punishment, wouldn't it? 
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: dynamike on May 25, 2011, 10:40:45 pm
What the hell is an autorightclick script?

It binds your right mouse button to your left mouse button, so you don't have to move your finger across for the click to block and save valuable milliseconds.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 25, 2011, 11:27:04 pm
It binds your right mouse button to your left mouse button, so you don't have to move your finger across for the click to block and save valuable milliseconds.
so you attack and block at the same time ?  :shock:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Harpag on May 25, 2011, 11:56:37 pm
Okocha actually was the first name i remembered, but yea, edited my post.

xD

What is it? You think you're funny? Do you have a problem with the Grey Order, say it boldly, but do not say things that you can not know.

I declare that this is a nasty lie.

Anyone who says such things about others, issue a certificate of himself.

PS. If someone from the Grey Order is a cheater (apparently one person) to bear the consequences. But this does not entitle anyone to speak wrong of the whole group of over 70 people. Stop the senseless aggression. We have a lot in common. We all love this game and this mod.

End of comment throughout the case. I'm going to play.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bulzur on May 26, 2011, 12:16:06 am
I would actually take it as an honor if people would say : "What autoblock hack was detected and people were banned for using it ? I'm sure Guard_Bulzur_II was banned." (on a light tone though, not an agressive accusation) since it actually means that this person has excellent blocking skills. Even though i'll still be slightly unease since people actually believed i could use hacks for a game.

Guess it's all between pride and... pride.  :mrgreen:

But i agree, no senseless accusation !
*keeps writing names of all people he sees online, and check that list with all the forum account's names*
In 3 weeks, i'll know the name of culprits, or people on holidays, or people with no more internet. Niark niark niark. Fear me.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 26, 2011, 12:41:40 am
What is it? You think you're funny? Do you have a problem with the Grey Order, say it boldly, but do not say things that you can not know.

I declare that this is a nasty lie.

Anyone who says such things about others, issue a certificate of himself.

PS. If someone from the Grey Order is a cheater (apparently one person) to bear the consequences. But this does not entitle anyone to speak wrong of the whole group of over 70 people. Stop the senseless aggression. We have a lot in common. We all love this game and this mod.

End of comment throughout the case. I'm going to play.

harpag       is a        cheater

is    true. done      saw it.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: v/onMega on May 26, 2011, 12:47:02 am
What is it? You think you're funny? Do you have a problem with the Grey Order, say it boldly, but do not say things that you can not know.

I declare that this is a nasty lie.

Anyone who says such things about others, issue a certificate of himself.

PS. If someone from the Grey Order is a cheater (apparently one person) to bear the consequences. But this does not entitle anyone to speak wrong of the whole group of over 70 people. Stop the senseless aggression. We have a lot in common. We all love this game and this mod.

End of comment throughout the case. I'm going to play.

Chill Jermaine. Post was edited like 5 mins later. . .

No need to defend your self czy Greys ;-).

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: LordBerenger on May 26, 2011, 12:51:45 am
Just assuming now but i think...Harpag is mad.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on May 26, 2011, 12:56:19 am
harpag       is a        cheater

is    true. done      saw it.

Whatever spacebar difficulties Vicious has, they're spreading. D=
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Harpag on May 26, 2011, 01:24:45 am
Okay, a little exaggerated, but for well oriented in the subject is praise the skills of one of us, but I'm afraid that most people understand it wrong.
So, I wrote what I wrote.

No offense. I felt bad your intentions.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: LordBerenger on May 26, 2011, 01:33:53 am
^ Alex....you certainly did not lie. Vicious have spread it like a cancer now lol.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: ManOfWar on May 26, 2011, 05:12:49 am
Were gonna find those communists!

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wallace on May 26, 2011, 07:59:32 am
Who hacks in a game that you aren't even currently competing in?

Some people are just sad
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 26, 2011, 09:21:44 am
Release the list so we can hang them in the Praven square!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MouthnHoof on May 26, 2011, 10:53:36 am
Hello

I feel guilty about cheating in this game..

WHO ARE THE OTHER CHEATERS? WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 26, 2011, 10:55:06 am
i always draw a crosshair on the center of my laptop's screen with a red marker before playing c-rpg, does it count as cheat?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on May 26, 2011, 10:58:35 am
Yea your screen recognized it as an external program and sent the data directly to chadz via telepathy
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 26, 2011, 11:40:57 am
Yea your screen recognized it as an external program and sent the data directly to chadz via telepathy

oh shit plox don't ban me this is the only place where i have friends  :cry:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Earthdforce on May 26, 2011, 12:27:53 pm
oh shit plox don't ban me this is the only place where i have friends  :cry:

(click to show/hide)
... *huggles*
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Goretooth on May 26, 2011, 12:33:42 pm
Can't We have everyone on the list get into one server to be stoned?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on May 26, 2011, 02:27:28 pm
Can't We have everyone on the list get into one server to be stoned?

or not ban them, but let them spawn everytime with tar and feathers, and maybe a giant dildo in the hand. c'mon chadz, do this!

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on May 26, 2011, 02:32:12 pm
I would actually take it as an honor if people would say : "What autoblock hack was detected and people were banned for using it ? I'm sure Guard_Bulzur_II was banned." (on a light tone though, not an agressive accusation) since it actually means that this person has excellent blocking skills. Even though i'll still be slightly unease since people actually believed i could use hacks for a game.

Guess it's all between pride and... pride.  :mrgreen:

But i agree, no senseless accusation !
*keeps writing names of all people he sees online, and check that list with all the forum account's names*
In 3 weeks, i'll know the name of culprits, or people on holidays, or people with no more internet. Niark niark niark. Fear me.
Yooooooou wanna share lists? I got mine half full of the cRPG community now. Could be.... interesting... to see who you got that I haven't.

Were gonna find those communists!
Actually it would be more of a capitalist thing to use hacks sooooo... We're gonna get those capitalists!

Can't We have everyone on the list get into one server to be stoned?
Yay! +1! Just let them log in with different names or something if you don't want them recognised!

Also. Why haven't this one been posted yet? Guess I'll have to do it 21 pages in.
(click to show/hide)
They dun goofed.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Siiem on May 26, 2011, 03:11:06 pm
harpag       is a        cheater

is    true. done      saw it.

That was pure malICIOUS, Xant.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 26, 2011, 03:13:05 pm
That was pure malICIOUS, Xant.

He's quite caprICIOUS.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Siiem on May 26, 2011, 03:23:18 pm
That was pure malICIOUS, Xant.

He's quite caprICIOUS.

But allso quite delICIOUS.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Korgoth on May 26, 2011, 04:03:48 pm
So I'm confused... Is Vicous666 one of the hackers?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: [ptx] on May 26, 2011, 04:08:34 pm
Nay. He got banned anyhow, from what i hear  :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Korgoth on May 26, 2011, 04:12:29 pm
Damn I wanted to laugh because it would of been funny if he got banned for auto block when he uses a shield..
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Harpag on May 26, 2011, 04:25:08 pm
You're right. I had no power to read the whole long thread and I've lost the context of certain statements  :rolleyes:  I saw only that someone is talking nonsense about one of my men and I immediately felt the call of blood lol Personally, I am relaxed  :)

By the way, really pretty good shit with the cheating. I do not understand this. For me, they themselves ruining their own fun. This is totally nonsense, especially since it irritate everyone else. Silly dishonesty, with one exception, that someone did the experiment only the cognitive and immediately  threw that shit away. Then I see the one and only one mitigating circumstance.

Have a nice day people  :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tristan on May 26, 2011, 05:25:53 pm
Nay. He got banned anyhow, from what i hear  :P

Doesn't that happen like evry month or so?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Delro on May 26, 2011, 06:12:01 pm
Can't We have everyone on the list get into one server to be stoned?

I already do that... wait you mean THAT kind of stoned...  :oops:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: HarmlessPeasant on May 28, 2011, 09:07:54 am
Can we guess and have you guys answer truthfully?  That would be a fun game.

My guesses:

Crymoar
Carebear_Harmless Peasant

You do me much wrong milord. After taking a long vacation(AKA life) from CRPG, this humble peasant returned home just to have people giving her weird faces. Little did she know that she was marked as a witch by the locals! After being chased by a mob, 2 PxC members kickstunned and teamkilled her in siege then called her a cheater. It was very hurtful and she was stuck playing siege for 2 hours with a river of tears running down her cheeks. Crymoar wasn't very helpful in comforting her either. She later cried herself to sleep.
Anyways, so this is what I get for caring. I've told you guys many times before...
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Rhygar666 on May 28, 2011, 09:13:02 am
So I'm confused... Is Vicous666 one of the hackers?
why should he, hes 1hand using steel shield, makes sense using autoblock  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Goretooth on May 28, 2011, 10:05:29 am
You do me much wrong milord. After taking a long vacation(AKA life) from CRPG, this humble peasant returned home just to have people giving her weird faces. Little did she know that she was marked as a witch by the locals! After being chased by a mob, 2 PxC members kickstunned and teamkilled her in siege then called her a cheater. It was very hurtful and she was stuck playing siege for 2 hours with a river of tears running down her cheeks. Crymoar wasn't very helpful in comforting her either. She later cried herself to sleep.
Anyways, so this is what I get for caring. I've told you guys many times before...
(click to show/hide)
gore will protect you from the witch hunters.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Welcome_To_Hell on May 28, 2011, 05:17:40 pm
This is a medieval mod.

We should have to reenact public executions for the cheaters.

Publish their names and it will make me feel much better about myself with the confirmation that people who could block in a crowd better than me were cheaters!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nurax on May 28, 2011, 06:16:22 pm
I think you should publish the list, just because there ARE/would be recriminations for some skilled people, some would say they are hacking blah,blah,blah and there are rumors about it
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Xant on May 28, 2011, 06:46:10 pm
Thy thoughts art of no importance to chadz the Courageous.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Cheap_Shot on May 29, 2011, 07:18:57 am
You do me much wrong milord. After taking a long vacation(AKA life) from CRPG, this humble peasant returned home just to have people giving her weird faces. Little did she know that she was marked as a witch by the locals! After being chased by a mob, 2 PxC members kickstunned and teamkilled her in siege then called her a cheater. It was very hurtful and she was stuck playing siege for 2 hours with a river of tears running down her cheeks. Crymoar wasn't very helpful in comforting her either. She later cried herself to sleep.
Anyways, so this is what I get for caring. I've told you guys many times before...
(click to show/hide)

Woa woa, careful, you referred to yourself as female. People are going to start getting creep-...

gore will protect you from the witch hunters.

...welp, too late.  :lol:

On a serious note regarding the discussion though, whats the point of weeding though a list of banned people and giving lighter punishment to those who "just tried it out", like some suggested? If they weren't worried about losing their characters, then they wouldn't have risked them to dick around trying out cheats. The only punishment is 6$ and having to start a new character, and since they weren't worried about losing the first, its no big deal for them to make another. Just opens a can of worms that is fine staying closed.

I haven't heard of anyone in my clan being banned yet so that's encouraging. I'd love to know who those 4 or 5 well known players were though.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Glyph on May 29, 2011, 11:53:46 am
Al_Adin is a gameplay element, not a cheater.
that's another way to put it...i guess :|
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: [ptx] on May 29, 2011, 11:55:41 am
Hardly well known players, more like people you might've heard of now and then... See, noone misses them, even.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Native_ATS on May 29, 2011, 01:12:38 pm
Hardly well known players, more like people you might've heard of now and then... See, noone misses them, even.
we all miss gore down in ats vent -.- Curse the xbow remote!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 03:49:11 pm
My character got reset to level 1 and all items lost... Page_Carilus_OotL is gone... :(( I might just give up on M&B... Sorry guys... see you :((((( I did NOT use any CHEAT or HACK whatsoever. I played JUSTLY and FAIRLY. :( I don't even know the reason for my ban...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: roymorrison on May 29, 2011, 03:55:06 pm
My character got reset to level 1 and all items lost... Page_Carilus_OotL is gone... :(( I might just give up on M&B... Sorry guys... see you :((((( I did NOT use any CHEAT or HACK whatsoever. I played JUSTLY and FAIRLY. :( I don't even know the reason for my ban...

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 29, 2011, 03:57:31 pm
You're not on the list of autoblock users, so if your char was really reset, it must have been done for some other reason. Dunno if it's related to the above screenshot.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 03:58:19 pm
My God! I NEVER did THAT I PROMISE! I SWEAR AND I NEVER PLAY LIKE THAT. Can I send you a PM about the truth and discuss to the admins in private?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 29, 2011, 03:59:44 pm
Worth noting that the guy in the screenshot isn't Page_Carilus_OotL, but Page_Carilus_Ootl... possibly Page_Carilus_OotI?

Edit: doesn't seem to be anyone by that name, though.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 04:01:05 pm
Yes. Our Actual Tag is OotL. That guy is clearly a poser. What the heck man. :(( A poser got the best of me???? That's Clearly Ootl or OotI!!!!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 04:03:35 pm
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POSER!! POSERR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! My REAL NAME Is Page_Carilus_OotL Not Page_Carilus_Ootl or Page_Carilus_OotI!!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 29, 2011, 04:05:59 pm
No, it's you all right. The banned key is yours. You probably just had the wrong capitalization on your in-game profile. :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 04:09:28 pm
Wait... what? Okay if that's how its gonna fine. This is a public confession. This key is shared. Not that I torrented it. Some guy gave a cd-key in a forum and I used it. Pretty soon I saw the same key popping up in youtube and stuff. :( Probably one of the people who "shared" the key used my name and created another char with the same nametag. But seriously :| If this report is gonna get this key banned. Then I have no regrets. Farewell to the awesome people I met in M&B. And mostly to my awesome clanmates and our great leader tankmen. I salute you! Well... I guess this is farewelll...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 29, 2011, 04:11:22 pm
so you played with a public kind of key with probably a dozen alts from different people.. and everyone could access your char and just delete it?

and what happened now surprised you?

oh fuck  :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 04:18:40 pm
Yeah... kinda did... I'm sorry chad. :( See ya... one less weed to pluck out from the grass for you. :(...
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 29, 2011, 04:19:45 pm
Hey, you could always just buy the game like a regular person. Then you wouldn't have to worry about this kind of crap.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 04:20:39 pm
Yeah I wish I could but sadly I don't have a credit card. Gonna wait for a while till' I get my own then perhaps... Carilus will be back and giving everyone smiles :D
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 29, 2011, 04:21:41 pm
Just lol
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 29, 2011, 04:34:59 pm
paypal or buy it in a store?
who needs a credit card these days :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 29, 2011, 04:54:31 pm
Lol I have no idea how to use paypal. And the stores here in Philippines RARELY sell M&B :( There's like 0.000000000000000000001% chance of finding M&B here lol.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 29, 2011, 05:07:38 pm
you know how to use a computer and play games but did not figure out how paypal works?
i smell laziness :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Glyph on May 29, 2011, 05:08:32 pm
i smeel it too, and it stinks!
ow no it's me :shock:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nebun on May 29, 2011, 05:42:47 pm
Don't think paypal works in Philippines
i know few countries where it doesn't work
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Meow on May 29, 2011, 09:23:16 pm
after checking the available languages i would say the same  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alphamale on May 29, 2011, 11:36:29 pm
I used a blockhack on CRPG because everyone else uses it half the time the guys who run around naked blocking just about everyone and can't even feint worth a damn, maybe if you actually blocked the use of the hack people wouldn't need to use it instead of this pathetic mass ban.

No loss to me i have an alt steam account and i use a diffrent I.P good old pat on the back and a breath of fresh air for 99 percent of players in CRPG are bowmy old friends anyway.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 29, 2011, 11:39:51 pm
1) People got sick and tired of morons block hacking on every server
2) Use it themselves
3) Get banned despite autoblock not effecting CRPG in the least

Pretty pathetic.
is that from personal experience?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alphamale on May 29, 2011, 11:45:26 pm
is that from personal experience?

I just find it a pretty shitty thing to do, just shows utter laziness to block the actual script than mass banning people, but hey it's not like anyone in CRPG has an ounce of skill anyway heh.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 29, 2011, 11:46:48 pm
Its to set an example I think and I hope it works.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MaHuD on May 29, 2011, 11:57:27 pm
Hacking is not allowed, using someone elses program/method to achieve that doesn't make it less legal.
So quit your bitching and accept the bans with open arms for they are truly justified.
Besides, it's TW that should block hacking.
They promised us, two years ago, to have anti-cheat at release. I never saw it though.
Sure there is an option to turn some sort of anti-cheat on, but it doesn't even work and if it did it would only work for steam apparently.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on May 30, 2011, 12:27:12 am
Actually the anti cheat works really well, it's just that it is tied to steam so anyone playing the non-steam version of the game can't join the server.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Kong Ming on May 30, 2011, 12:27:55 am
I used a blockhack on CRPG because everyone else uses it half the time.

I'm guessing you also intentionally TK people who accidentally TK you.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 30, 2011, 12:55:30 am
I used a blockhack on CRPG because everyone else uses it half the time the guys who run around naked blocking just about everyone and can't even feint worth a damn, maybe if you actually blocked the use of the hack people wouldn't need to use it instead of this pathetic mass ban.

"I did it because other people were doing it, too." All of forty people in the whole cRPG player base. This is the best excuse you can come up with to justify your use of the hack, and you're calling chadz pathetic for taking action against cheaters? You're a real character. :lol:
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 30, 2011, 03:01:23 am
I saw M&B website and it is 1,301 PHP When you're buying it v.i.a. Bank Card. Perhaps I might be lucky and persuade my father... :> *Smug*
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: roymorrison on May 30, 2011, 02:59:09 pm
So you used a public key, and you're claiming someone else used the same key, downloaded CRPG, typed in your EXACT name and impersonated you, randomly?  I'm no detective but I'm pretty sure that's not what happened. 

Also, you should try getting a job.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 30, 2011, 03:03:58 pm
Well all I can think of is Someone used a same name as me but instead of OotL as the tag he used OotI or Ootl which describes the small letter l in the picture. We use OotL not OotI or Ootl. Clearly, someone made a new character or something then used it to get me banned. Probably someone who used the same cd key and figured out I'm the only one playing most of the time since I'm the only one with a clan tag on it and got me banned and reset to level 1 in hopes of me quitting and him replacing the time I was about to use to level up my character. Sadly, In getting a job. I'm still in 2nd year college. Seriously lol. I can buy the game. The only problem is they don't sell the game here in Philippines and I don't have a card. I can only get a card here when I'm 21 or 22 or so. :D
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 30, 2011, 03:15:12 pm
Well all I can think of is Someone used a same name as me but instead of OotL as the tag he used OotI or Ootl which describes the small letter l in the picture. We use OotL not OotI or Ootl. Clearly, someone made a new character or something then used it to get me banned. Probably someone who used the same cd key and figured out I'm the only one playing most of the time since I'm the only one with a clan tag on it and got me banned and reset to level 1 in hopes of me quitting and him replacing the time I was about to use to level up my character. Sadly, In getting a job. I'm still in 2nd year college. Seriously lol. I can buy the game. The only problem is they don't sell the game here in Philippines and I don't have a card. I can only get a card here when I'm 21 or 22 or so. :D
Wow they went thru a lot of trouble didnt they lol
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 30, 2011, 03:32:43 pm
Wow they went thru a lot of trouble didnt they lol

Aye. :( It seems fairly wrong to ban a player who played fairly. Well, despite using a public key.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: chadz on May 30, 2011, 03:35:03 pm
you weren't banned, someone logged into your account by creating an alt and deleted you.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 30, 2011, 03:41:30 pm
:O? Is there any way to get it back? I'd be very grateful if there is/was.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 30, 2011, 03:43:11 pm
Not really. The key will of course have to remain banned on servers, since there's hardly any sense in unbanning a shared key that can be abused by anybody.

Well all I can think of is Someone used a same name as me but instead of OotL as the tag he used OotI or Ootl which describes the small letter l in the picture. We use OotL not OotI or Ootl.

There was no OotI tagged guy, and your key was the one banned, which means if it was another guy, he used your account and your key. The different capitalization would be caused by him typing it that way while making the in-game profile necessary to do so.

So you used a public key, and you're claiming someone else used the same key, downloaded CRPG, typed in your EXACT name and impersonated you, randomly?  I'm no detective but I'm pretty sure that's not what happened. 

It's not so strange as all that. Anyone using the key would only have to create a new character for it, and he'd immediately have access to all existing ones from the dropdown menu. Then all he'd have to do is create a new in-game profile matching one of them and go wild.

Moral of the story: don't use shared keys.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Varric on May 30, 2011, 04:04:21 pm
I'm pretty sure that's illegal, too.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 30, 2011, 04:05:08 pm
That goes without saying. No harm in having a practical deterrent, though. :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Carilus on May 30, 2011, 06:10:20 pm
How do you set your Character back as main? I've scrolled through the list of the players who played on the same key. I deleted the guy who set his char as his main. He's probably the culprit (Assuming his char had the role of main character). :D Now... How to set it back to main character? :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on May 30, 2011, 06:50:40 pm
You can only set new characters at main, but I really don't understand why you're even thinking of trying to salvage this key when it's obviously impossible. It's banned, just get a new one and move on already.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on May 30, 2011, 08:48:00 pm
This is so hilarious!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: woody on May 30, 2011, 09:41:58 pm
I never use these (obviously cos I'm pretty crap), I know brilliant players on native who never use, just cos someone is better than you do not assume they are cheating.

Anyone using hacks is a very sad twat and deserves permanent ban along with name and shame.

And thanks for wasting my fucking time fighting them.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 30, 2011, 11:35:40 pm
Nobody remember one thread that I did like very long time ago about some guys firing arrows out of (faster tham) their animation??   
Now I know it was Speed Hack.
I dont know about melee but I know when one archer is cheating.
I hope you can see this kind of things too.

Everytime somebody hacks on this, one sailor is raped somewhere in the world.  :cry:

Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on May 30, 2011, 11:50:49 pm
Nobody remember one thread that I did like very long time ago about some guys firing arrows out of (faster tham) their animation??   
Now I know it was Speed Hack.
I dont know about melee but I know when one archer is cheating.
I hope you can see this kind of things too.

Everytime somebody hacks on this, one sailor is raped somewhere in the world.  :cry:

Nooo, not the sailors!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Belatu on May 31, 2011, 12:00:54 am
Yes, divorced sailors with a numerous family to feed and with a 40-year mortgage   :(
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: MaHuD on May 31, 2011, 12:12:00 am
Nobody remember one thread that I did like very long time ago about some guys firing arrows out of (faster tham) their animation??   
Now I know it was Speed Hack.
I dont know about melee but I know when one archer is cheating.
I hope you can see this kind of things too.

Everytime somebody hacks on this, one sailor is raped somewhere in the world.  :cry:
Shooting is server side, good luck with that!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Keshian on May 31, 2011, 12:45:59 am
Nobody remember one thread that I did like very long time ago about some guys firing arrows out of (faster tham) their animation??   
Now I know it was Speed Hack.
I dont know about melee but I know when one archer is cheating.
I hope you can see this kind of things too.

Everytime somebody hacks on this, one sailor is raped somewhere in the world.  :cry:

There isnt an archer speed hack, pre-january if you had high enough wpf you could shoot faster than the animation.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: cmp on May 31, 2011, 03:02:16 am
Shooting is server side, good luck with that!

This. Shooting, moving, swinging, all server-side. A speed hack for Warband cannot exist.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 31, 2011, 03:32:57 am
This. Shooting, moving, swinging, all server-side. A speed hack for Warband cannot exist.

It does exist, I asked Saifa a month ago and he told me that the speed/headshot hack was called the masterwork shortbow hack!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: polkafranzi on May 31, 2011, 11:03:29 am
What is it? You think you're funny? Do you have a problem with the Grey Order, say it boldly, but do not say things that you can not know.

I declare that this is a nasty lie.

Anyone who says such things about others, issue a certificate of himself.

PS. If someone from the Grey Order is a cheater (apparently one person) to bear the consequences. But this does not entitle anyone to speak wrong of the whole group of over 70 people. Stop the senseless aggression. We have a lot in common. We all love this game and this mod.

End of comment throughout the case. I'm going to play.

See essay ban section for lolz
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: BlackMilk on May 31, 2011, 11:10:37 am
Okocha actually was the first name i remembered, but yea, edited my post.

xD
calumny at its best!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EyeBeat on June 01, 2011, 02:48:03 pm
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on June 01, 2011, 03:43:59 pm
What does that post have to do with the ongoing witch hunt?
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bulzur on June 01, 2011, 06:15:06 pm
What does that post have to do with the ongoing witch hunt?

I asked myself the same question, since it's also a quote.
Is he offering us the name of "still playing" people ? We don't really care about thoses, there's too many of them.

Either way, this post definitely don't belong here. Fail from EyeBeatWomen i recon.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Glyph on June 01, 2011, 06:15:43 pm
It does exist, I asked Saifa a month ago and he told me that the speed/headshot hack was called the masterwork shortbow hack!
i tried to find it and put the link in here to prove it, but i can't find it :(
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EyeBeat on June 01, 2011, 11:03:21 pm
I asked myself the same question, since it's also a quote.
Is he offering us the name of "still playing" people ? We don't really care about thoses, there's too many of them.

Either way, this post definitely don't belong here. Fail from EyeBeatWomen i recon.

Meh it is off topic.  But it is a screenshot of roy morrison using racial slurs even though he was trying to out someone else for doing the same.

In a way he was hacking.  He was hacking my morality.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: roymorrison on June 03, 2011, 08:08:19 pm
I wasn't "calling him out", he posted that he didn't know why he was banned, so I posted that screenshot.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EyeBeat on June 03, 2011, 11:10:19 pm
I wasn't "calling him out", he posted that he didn't know why he was banned, so I posted that screenshot.

But you were caught saying the same word.  Don't be a racist bro.

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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Classical on June 04, 2011, 01:18:15 am
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Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Darkkarma on June 04, 2011, 02:28:13 am
I think my morality was hacked also.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Lech on June 04, 2011, 10:26:34 am
I think those anti-racist guys abooze my morality, go back to us waving your anti-racist flags.

(in other words, go to spam section with your stupid memos)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EyeBeat on June 04, 2011, 03:13:06 pm
I think those anti-racist guys abooze my morality, go back to us waving your anti-racist flags.

(in other words, go to spam section with your stupid memos)

Backseat modding is almost as bad as racism.  You are so close to being a racist.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: okiN on June 04, 2011, 03:20:33 pm
Okay, how about actual modding then? I'm against racism as much as anybody, but this thread is getting pretty off-track. Pack it in, guys. :P
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EyeBeat on June 04, 2011, 10:30:38 pm
Okay, how about actual modding then? I'm against racism as much as anybody, but this thread is getting pretty off-track. Pack it in, guys. :P

chadz is the best mod.  He made the C-RPG mod for Warband.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Nessaj on June 09, 2011, 04:42:16 pm
FYI;

GamersFirst (http://www.gamersfirst.com), the company that took over APB (http://forums.gamersfirst.com/index.php?showforum=630) (All Points Bulletin) from RealTimeWorlds, have done what many others likewise do and have done in the past, named and shamed cheaters, in this case only a couple but still quite the spectacle. They do this because they're confident in their cheat-detection (double checking minimum) and because in-fact the game is FREE to download and play, something has to scare off the cheaters and cheat-developers. They're talking about hardware bans for the future though to avoid "re-downloaders".

I would suggest following the actual discussion via their administrators in the forum thread.

Remember, this is a professional F2P (Free to Play) game with paid subscriptions plus micro-transactions, cRPG is a completely non-professional free mod.

The thread is called: "Laughing at hackers is fun!"

http://forums.gamersfirst.com/index.php?showtopic=168863 (http://forums.gamersfirst.com/index.php?showtopic=168863)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Alex_C on June 09, 2011, 05:38:03 pm
The reasons for not releasing the list have been given, citing an example of another group who did release such a list won't change anything.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Vibe on June 10, 2011, 08:51:09 am
But, but... witchhunt :(
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Glyph on June 10, 2011, 11:50:55 am
Look at it this way: anyone you run into from now on has a clean record. However, if anyone you know suddenly disappears off the servers, then maybe, just maybe...
tommy!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: lol
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Cepeshi on June 10, 2011, 01:07:47 pm
tommy!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: lol

actually, maybe he has some rl issues :D :)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on June 10, 2011, 01:24:06 pm
actually, maybe he has some rl issues :D :)
Tommy? Real life? Yeeeah, right. :P

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Glyph on June 10, 2011, 06:03:04 pm
Tommy? Real life? Yeeeah, right. :P

(click to show/hide)
accually he's in the UK but still is funny though
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Jarlek on June 10, 2011, 06:26:34 pm
accually he's in the UK but still is funny though
It was meant as a joke :P. I have no idea where he is and what he is doing :D
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: BlackMilk on June 10, 2011, 07:13:38 pm
accually he's in the UK but still is funny though
He's back btw
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: [ptx] on June 10, 2011, 07:23:06 pm
What is he doing now?  :o
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Casimir on June 10, 2011, 09:48:25 pm
No he isn't, hes in Dublin, making money by playing the poker tables, god damn.

he also played after all this stuff, so leave him alone
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Rebelyell on June 11, 2011, 04:29:17 pm
agree
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Byrdi on June 11, 2011, 04:45:47 pm
Lol they are accusing Tommy of hacking again.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Qilidj_Arslan on June 13, 2011, 09:32:14 pm
At least this thread is diverting the attention from the real culprits: Horse Archers!
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Kafein on June 13, 2011, 09:40:38 pm
Haha... If Tommy was cheating it's really dumb of him... This guy could block you with a club when you were getting out of your mom.

(dirtiest joke I ever made on these forums)
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: bredeus on June 14, 2011, 10:21:39 am
tommy!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: lol
first you were among the templars that time, second none of templars were cheating (checked by admins, I asked for it personally), third he left two weeks after this whole affair and was playing till the end, acusing the inocent and unable to defend himselfe former teammate who is probably the nicest fuckin templar is plain dump.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Bulzur on June 14, 2011, 10:49:09 am
Agreed. Even if it was meant as a joke, it's uncalled for.
Leave the golden moustach man alone, else he'll kill you with a staff.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Elmiro on June 14, 2011, 02:31:41 pm
I'd like to say that sometimes people that seem hackers are not. It happened to me more than once, that my character was immortal: my health went down to 0 but then I stayed alive, and since it was in a siege gamemode, I could just kill all the enemies on the walls, but then they always start polls against me, and I just leave.
It probably happens because of a bug, and maybe it's related to the high ping sometimes I have, anyway people call me hacked because sometimes I'm immortal but it's not my fault.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Glyph on June 14, 2011, 02:44:37 pm
one time before the patch in siege, i couldn't die, i was hit and stunned but not damaged, all their team was hitting me as fools but i wouldn't die. i'm not a hacker or something but i think it was just a bug because when the round ended. my superpower was gone. :(
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EponiCo on June 15, 2011, 11:38:58 pm
Yes, it was a known bug and a permaban running around with it for the entire round. Bye.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 15, 2011, 11:45:36 pm
one time before the patch in siege, i couldn't die, i was hit and stunned but not damaged, all their team was hitting me as fools but i wouldn't die. i'm not a hacker or something but i think it was just a bug because when the round ended. my superpower was gone. :(
I'd like to say that sometimes people that seem hackers are not. It happened to me more than once, that my character was immortal: my health went down to 0 but then I stayed alive, and since it was in a siege gamemode, I could just kill all the enemies on the walls, but then they always start polls against me, and I just leave.
It probably happens because of a bug, and maybe it's related to the high ping sometimes I have, anyway people call me hacked because sometimes I'm immortal but it's not my fault.

When this happens, it is assumed that you realize (and you did) that you are glitching, so you should enter spectator mode to not exploit.
Title: Re: Hack abooze
Post by: EponiCo on June 15, 2011, 11:49:44 pm
Lol, if they were banned for real I'd regret having said that.