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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Galgorth on May 09, 2011, 12:24:19 pm
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Before I delve into the topic, I've observed in my dozens of hours of playing in battle, siege and duel modes over the past couple weeks that the auto block hack is rare in CRPG. I would wager that 98% of the playerbase is NOT using it. If a greater % are using it, they're using it so ineptly that they might as well not have a hack at all.
How to spot an auto block hacker
If you know how it works it can be quite easy to spot. A player who holds down the defense button will automatically parry an attack as long as it's coming from within about a 120 degree cone of the direction his character is facing. If you spam feints in numerous directions and he instantaneously parries in the direction of your feint (in some cases before you've even begun your weapon swing animation!) then you can be pretty confident that you're facing a hacker. A more devious hacker will only press the defense button when he thinks an attack is not a feint, so his blocking will look more 'natural'. These types are harder to spot, but if they seem preternaturally talented at blocking yet newbish in other areas of their play style (not good at feinting, poor footwork, etc.) then that's a sign you may be facing a hacker. In addition, a hacker's feints will look 'off'; instead of the regular direction attack - parry in same direction - direction attack (AKA swing up parry up swing up) the hacker's attacks will appear to be direction attack - parry down - direction attack (swing up parry down swing up).
Another way to spot the hack is to look at the default direction of the player's parry. An auto block hacker will by default parry downwards. He is incapable of parrying to the left or right unless an attack is coming from that direction.
How to defeat an auto block hacker
The easiest way to defeat an auto block hacker is with a ranged weapon since they can't block arrows or jarids. Many people do not have this option however, and must engage the hacker in melee combat. The key to defeating the hacker in this case comes down to three variables: chambering, feinting and footwork. If you can get the hacker to draw back his weapon while you are in the middle of an attack (AKA feinting) you will be able to score a hit. If you can move around the hacker and land multiple consecutive blows which are either unblockable due to flanking or tricky to block due to their spam like nature, you will likely win. Finally, if you are skilled enough to chamberblock the hacker's blows you will undoubtedly land a kill. I know this from experience since I tested out the hack in the duel server a number of days ago and found that my dueling skills were actually DIMINISHED due to the weird way the hack interferes with feinting. Certain highly skilled players who I might go 30-40% against in duels were actually killing me MORE when I used the hack. This is a rare situation however and should not be used as evidence that the hack 'isn't a big deal' since most players are not highly skilled, and if two average players duel each other ceteris paribus the one with the autoblock hack will win 99 times out of 100.
Hopefully this write up has helped and will lead to some justified bans of the auto block hackers in CRPG.
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Hmm, thanks for the info.
But I'm the type of player who always reacts even to feints, I hope people won't think I'm using that crap.
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I react to feints by trying to swing and die as a result... ooooooo
Btw, how did you get the information on how to identify a hacker, by testing?
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Btw, how did you get the information on how to identify a hacker, by testing?
I think yes.
Certain highly skilled players who I might go 30-40% against in duels were actually killing me MORE when I used the hack.
Hope you haven't got any keylogger or other crap with it mate.
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Hmm, thanks for the info.
But I'm the type of player who always reacts even to feints, I hope people won't think I'm using that crap.
Just block left or right to show you are not the cheater. :rolleyes:
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Hmm, thanks for the info.
But I'm the type of player who always reacts even to feints, I hope people won't think I'm using that crap.
The reaction of a hacker is superhuman, he'll be able to follow every feint with perfect timing no matter how fast you spam them.
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lol @ this
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I just want to remind everyone of this:
I don't think it's necessary to tell, but using that thing will result in a lifetime ban.
Do _not_ try it out, not even for testing or whatever.
We can see who is using it.
We are not using different rules for testing or cheating. Using it = ban, a minute, an hour, doesn't matter.
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Be Gash.
Use auto-block.
Get beat by someone in a duel.
Complain about it and ban said duelist.
Profit!!!!
Bitch, admin.
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That's a stupid way to spot an auto block hack, I'm good enough to block feints with minimal concentration nowadays, would this make me a hacker?
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The easiest way to spot an autoblocker will always be the large round huscarl shield in front of him. :P
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Certain highly skilled players who I might go 30-40% against in duels were actually killing me MORE when I used the hack.
Ops, are you using the hack? :rolleyes:
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He's not using the hack, he tested it out. After what chadz just said are you trying to get someone in trouble. How petty
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Knowledge is power. An informed player base is a better player base. I like that the OP has taken initiative to get more information about something that can truly and utterly DESTROY the game (see APB example). Not addressing this is a best way to destroy the game and mod completely.
If he didnt, he should have gone thru official channels to get his tests sanctioned.
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some ppl play this mod almost a year, you really think that they havent learned every visual or acustical beat of the game??
there is no such thing, only skilled player with great equipment (sound graphic connection etc)
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Knowledge is power. An informed player base is a better player base. I like that the OP has taken initiative to get more information about something that can truly and utterly DESTROY the game (see APB example). Not addressing this is a best way to destroy the game and mod completely.
If he didnt, he should have gone thru official channels to get his tests sanctioned.
I agree with this completely, the OP has done us all a favour. This would ruin the game.
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I am also in support of admins testing this so they can make good perma bans on these players.
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pretty much you quoted what i already writed on the hack thread.
only way to kill is counterspam by double attack than lateral movement, or try to chamber/glitch etc. easy to spot also becouse he parry/follow your attack even when you are clearly outside your reach range, a thing that normal player not do -.- becouse is pointless
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This is the copy of the first page of some obvious google search about this :
.model TINY
;JUMPS ; without this, see caveat under 8086 above
NONE = 00h ; use this for no features
PRINTZOOM = 01h ; printout and beep features
MODECHANGE = 02h ; support video mode change?
SPEED = 04h ; use 386 instructions for speed
STARTCOORDS = 08h ; use starting coordinates (instead of 0,0)
HIRES = 10h ; use hi resolution (single mode version only)
; choose the desired features from the feature list above, and OR them
; all together as shown below:
FEATURES = PRINTZOOM OR MODECHANGE OR STARTCOORDS OR SPEED OR HIRES
if (FEATURES AND SPEED)
.386
endif
ifdef (FEATURES AND HIRES)
VIDMODE = 12h ; use mode 12h
PIXWIDTH = 640 ; ... which is 640x480
PIXHEIGHT = 480
else
VIDMODE = 13h ; use mode 13h
PIXWIDTH = 320 ; ... which is 320x200
PIXHEIGHT = 200
endif
TEXTMODE = 3 ; our exit video mode (80x25 color text mode)
ZOOMLIMIT = 13 ; can change to up to 13 for extended zoom in
VIDEO_INT = 10h ; BIOS video services interrupt
WRITE_PIXEL = 0Ch ; write pixel video service
WRITE_CHAR = 0eh ; write char in TTY mode video service
CHANGE_MODE = 00h ; change mode video service
KEYBD_INT = 16h ; BIOS keyboard services interrupt
; ASCII codes
EXTENDED = 000h ; no ASCII code for extended key codes
BELL = 007h ; the ASCII bell char to make a beep
CR = 00dh ; a carriage return character
ESCAPE = 01bh ; the escape key
PLUS = 02bh ; ASCII code for '+' key
V_KEY = 'v' ; ASCII code for video mode switch
; keyboard scan codes
MINUS = 04ah ; scan code for gray '-' key
; feel free to experiment with the following constants:
DELTA = 100 ; the unit of pan movement in pixels
THRESHOLD = 4 ; must be in the range of (0,255)
STARTSCALE = 7 ; a number from 0 to ZOOMLIMIT, inclusive
STARTX =-DELTA ; to the right by 1 delta unit (STARTCOORDS feature)
STARTY =-DELTA ; down by 1 delta unit (STARTCOORDS feature)
CHAR_COLOR = 0fh ; white on black background (for PRINTZOOM feature)
.code
org 100h
(Nah, don't post stuff like this here -Vargas)
With this and several people saying it works, well... I think it is and I hope it will be adressed. Or else it might aswell be the end of M&B:Warband and WFAS multiplayer. It looks like shields become neartly useless with this thing on. I wondered why so much people were playing 2h or polearm, when the last patch nerfed 2h. Now I got a clue about that.
This is just awful... I played with attack and blocks only (no feints, no footwork, no chamber...) during literally months of Native multiplayer, when the average community was WAY less skilled (and cheated) than now and good blocking was enough to have great k/d. Now when I have to fight like this (enemy spammer), I usually loose because it's fucking boring.
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Knowledge is power. An informed player base is a better player base. I like that the OP has taken initiative to get more information about something that can truly and utterly DESTROY the game (see APB example). Not addressing this is a best way to destroy the game and mod completely.
If he didnt, he should have gone thru official channels to get his tests sanctioned.
Off topic:
APB was originally destroyed long before it even hit beta thanks to the company making it becoming completely incompetent. Players being completely free to hack didn't help anything of course. I'm very happy it's been given a second chance, and GamersFirst seems to actually be putting care into it.
On topic:
I never touch any hacks, even for curiousity's sake, precisely for what's been stated here. When it comes time to hand out the bans, why you were hacking will not be their concern. That's a mighty risk to take.
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I agree, I should have obtained admin approval before I tested this hack, but in fairness I tested it before any admin statements about it were made because I wanted to see how game-breaking it really could be. The reality isn't as grim as I imagined but it's not exactly rosy either. I hope now that I've created this thread describing a few techniques to spot/beat the hack nobody will test it without a developer/admin giving them explicit approval to do so.
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There's an obvious solution : we create a @home idle time reuse program that justs DDOS this TKC bullshit... :D
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Be Gash.
Use auto-block.
Get beat by someone in a duel.
Complain about it and ban said duelist.
Profit!!!!
Bitch, admin.
I already PMed you about this. Don't play innocent.
You we're caught red-handed by two admins who were doing spot-checks that night.
Don't even bother.
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I've never come across an auto-blocker, but if it works anything like the in-built auto-blocking, it should fall easily enough to feints from over-committing.
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Or else it might aswell be the end of M&B:Warband and WFAS multiplayer
dont u worry about that, it will never happen. CS managed to get out of a rly deep shit where 50% of players were cheating. A good anti-cheat program and problem solved.
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if all this autoblock nonsense is true im definetley out of this mod for good.
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Should be moved to Guides (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,53.0.html) BUT I WILL LET THIS PASS FOR NOW.
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I wondered why so much people were playing 2h or polearm, when the last patch nerfed 2h. Now I got a clue about that.
I'm pretty sure it has more to do with:
2hers/polearms are better in melee combat - More damage, more reach, often the same or faster speeds than 1hers (when used with shields)
Elitism - Shields are "scrub" and 2hers/polearms are "pro". True story
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If auto block hacks do get removed/spotted, I'm going to lol at those master players who suddenly suck at the game for no apparent reason.
I've never come across an auto-blocker, but if it works anything like the in-built auto-blocking, it should fall easily enough to feints from over-committing.
Much of BRD says this, I've noticed. How do you guys know so well? :?
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Should be moved to Guides (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,53.0.html) BUT I WILL LET THIS PASS FOR NOW.
isn't guides where threads go to die? :lol:
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If auto block hacks do get removed/spotted, I'm going to lol at those master players who suddenly suck at the game for no apparent reason.
Much of BRD says this, I've noticed. How do you guys know so well? :?
because of the obscene amounts of time spent in the duel server.
I honestly don't think there is anybody that autoblock hacks who is good enough that I've noticed them. I'll look for people blocking down --
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--Oh wait I use a pike they always block down. I wouldn't be able to tell a decent hacker from a decent player. Wouldn't make a difference, all my kills are based on timing not blocking.
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I thought this was a joke for the longest time, but I've been convinced otherwise by seeing this in action exactly as Galg mentioned. Initially I thought: "Great, Some baddy admin is going to think I'm an auto-blocker because I can block well, or because I always block feints from people with longer range weapons than mine, or when people are standing on hills and can accelerate randomly."
Thing is, it's actually really easy to spot. That being said, I think Galg should be givin admin of all the NA servers so he can take care of this problem. It seems that because he has tested this that he is the best suited for the job. I'm not asking that he ban people permanently without anyone getting a 2nd opinion, but if anyone's to take care of this, it does seem like he is most qualified.
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I thought this was a joke for the longest time, but I've been convinced otherwise by seeing this in action exactly as Galg mentioned. Initially I thought: "Great, Some baddy admin is going to think I'm an auto-blocker because I can block well, or because I always block feints from people with longer range weapons than mine, or when people are standing on hills and can accelerate randomly."
Thing is, it's actually really easy to spot. That being said, I think Galg should be givin admin of all the NA servers so he can take care of this problem. It seems that because he has tested this that he is the best suited for the job. I'm not asking that he ban people permanently without anyone getting a 2nd opinion, but if anyone's to take care of this, it does seem like he is most qualified.
Impressive Trololo sir. Good on you.
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only noobs with katana spam need autoblocker.
Can't engage and defend at the same time?
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Impressive Trololo sir. Good on you.
That was an honest post. I try not to use too much sarcasm on forums, it's always misunderstood.
Though I will admit that even with the surface of such a hack, it hardly seems like much of an advantage when you see it actually being used.
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That was an honest post. I try not to use too much sarcasm on forums, it's always misunderstood.
Though I will admit that even with the surface of such a hack, it hardly seems like much of an advantage when you see it actually being used.
We have admins that know how to spot it quite well Tydeus.
Galg spilled the beans on the topic publicly; however we already knew about this problem beforehand and we can tell when it is being used. We also understand the concern of those who are very good legit blockers and duelers - and it shouldn't affect you folks at all. To be completely honest, this isn't going to turn into a witch hunt because those who were caught using it are a decimal minority of this community.
Stay legit folks, don't bother to try it out "just to see" - cause that's what happened to No_Sir and he's pretty butt-hurt about it.
So be warned.
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Why after spectating a few rounds the other night I have half a mind to accuse Galgorth here of using this auto block hack! Just kidding of course...
Then again, fighting a hacker with 15 ping and good fighting ability could quite possibly be the most frightening thing imaginable in this game. I don't want to think about it.
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I thought this was a joke for the longest time, but I've been convinced otherwise by seeing this in action exactly as Galg mentioned. Initially I thought: "Great, Some baddy admin is going to think I'm an auto-blocker because I can block well, or because I always block feints from people with longer range weapons than mine, or when people are standing on hills and can accelerate randomly."
Thing is, it's actually really easy to spot. That being said, I think Galg should be givin admin of all the NA servers so he can take care of this problem. It seems that because he has tested this that he is the best suited for the job. I'm not asking that he ban people permanently without anyone getting a 2nd opinion, but if anyone's to take care of this, it does seem like he is most qualified.
Thanks for the recommendation dude. I wouldn't make a good admin though, I'd get drunk one night and start demanding people dance/answer trivia questions or get banned.
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This is a by the longest time a myth, unless I can see it on video to believe it.
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the way to beat auto block hack
used range weapon or spam... great advice.
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I have the perfect solution!
Remove every weapon except Long Maul.
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Only if you buff its thrust damage, else no-one will play and we will all nekid fist fight / care bear hug
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Only if you buff its thrust damage, else no-one will play and we will all nekid fist fight / care bear hug
I think you mean remove it's awkward looking horribad thrust that is awful bad awful
would be such a better weapon without it.
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"Great, Some baddy admin is going to think I'm an auto-blocker because I can block well ..."
I'd like to piggy-back off of tydeus here and say, doubt over administration can be really poisonous to a community. In my CSS admin experience if it was a known community member or server regular ( CTU clan server 06-08 ) I'd take the extra time to demo what I was spectating so there would be no doubt. It really helps when you have to axe a guy that is not only one of the server stat leaders but a member of your CAL team.
I think establishing some kind of protocol for evidence (fraps, playclaw, whatever works) would be really beneficial to the community. Something at the very least a 2nd admin could look at and say yeah, good call and with evidence like this EU admins could go ahead and black list as well. Obviously detection is preferable but in its absence or even along side it something like this is still good for everyone. Its good for the player base knowing they're getting a fair shake and its good for the admins because it takes the pressure off decisions like this (its hard to be 100% sure in the moment.)
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We have admins that know how to spot it quite well Tydeus.
Galg spilled the beans on the topic publicly; however we already knew about this problem beforehand and we can tell when it is being used.
Security thru obscurity = fail.
Evidence = win
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How to defeat an auto block hacker
1. "hi cheater! brb! wait me."
2. open browser
3. click www.c-rpg.net
4. login
5. click 2handed/polearms
6. click BUY mallet/great maul/long maul
7. open warband crpg
8. log in the cheater server
9. equip the mallet/great maul/long maul
10. "heya cheater im back. want some duels?"
11. overhead+overhead=dead cheater
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some ppl play this mod almost a year, you really think that they havent learned every visual or acustical beat of the game??
there is no such thing, only skilled player with great equipment (sound graphic connection etc)
ping and connection quality means a lot in succesfull blocks tho.
i met a cheater anyway... after seeing him unable to parry a damn, one day he just gone block ALL my attacks, feints, spinthrusts, feint + hold, double overhead feint... pity he was so damn unskilled that everytime he try to attack, he simply go facing the floor.
seems that thing only works when going defensive. if the noob cheater tries to attack, he's just so noob to click random attack directions without feints.. just like a noob do.
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This is the copy of the first page of some obvious google search about this :
.model TINY
;JUMPS ; without this, see caveat under 8086 above
NONE = 00h ; use this for no features
PRINTZOOM = 01h ; printout and beep features
MODECHANGE = 02h ; support video mode change?
SPEED = 04h ; use 386 instructions for speed
STARTCOORDS = 08h ; use starting coordinates (instead of 0,0)
HIRES = 10h ; use hi resolution (single mode version only)
; choose the desired features from the feature list above, and OR them
; all together as shown below:
FEATURES = PRINTZOOM OR MODECHANGE OR STARTCOORDS OR SPEED OR HIRES
if (FEATURES AND SPEED)
.386
endif
ifdef (FEATURES AND HIRES)
VIDMODE = 12h ; use mode 12h
PIXWIDTH = 640 ; ... which is 640x480
PIXHEIGHT = 480
else
VIDMODE = 13h ; use mode 13h
PIXWIDTH = 320 ; ... which is 320x200
PIXHEIGHT = 200
endif
TEXTMODE = 3 ; our exit video mode (80x25 color text mode)
ZOOMLIMIT = 13 ; can change to up to 13 for extended zoom in
VIDEO_INT = 10h ; BIOS video services interrupt
WRITE_PIXEL = 0Ch ; write pixel video service
WRITE_CHAR = 0eh ; write char in TTY mode video service
CHANGE_MODE = 00h ; change mode video service
KEYBD_INT = 16h ; BIOS keyboard services interrupt
; ASCII codes
EXTENDED = 000h ; no ASCII code for extended key codes
BELL = 007h ; the ASCII bell char to make a beep
CR = 00dh ; a carriage return character
ESCAPE = 01bh ; the escape key
PLUS = 02bh ; ASCII code for '+' key
V_KEY = 'v' ; ASCII code for video mode switch
; keyboard scan codes
MINUS = 04ah ; scan code for gray '-' key
; feel free to experiment with the following constants:
DELTA = 100 ; the unit of pan movement in pixels
THRESHOLD = 4 ; must be in the range of (0,255)
STARTSCALE = 7 ; a number from 0 to ZOOMLIMIT, inclusive
STARTX =-DELTA ; to the right by 1 delta unit (STARTCOORDS feature)
STARTY =-DELTA ; down by 1 delta unit (STARTCOORDS feature)
CHAR_COLOR = 0fh ; white on black background (for PRINTZOOM feature)
.code
org 100h
(Nah, don't post stuff like this here -Vargas)
With this and several people saying it works, well... I think it is and I hope it will be adressed. Or else it might aswell be the end of M&B:Warband and WFAS multiplayer. It looks like shields become neartly useless with this thing on. I wondered why so much people were playing 2h or polearm, when the last patch nerfed 2h. Now I got a clue about that.
This is just awful... I played with attack and blocks only (no feints, no footwork, no chamber...) during literally months of Native multiplayer, when the average community was WAY less skilled (and cheated) than now and good blocking was enough to have great k/d. Now when I have to fight like this (enemy spammer), I usually loose because it's fucking boring.
well since i came back on crpg, the average skill REALLY went up. but i found that even the best player, sometimes miss a block. even one in 50 blocks.
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I'm pretty sure it has more to do with:
2hers/polearms are better in melee combat - More damage, more reach, often the same or faster speeds than 1hers (when used with shields)
Elitism - Shields are "scrub" and 2hers/polearms are "pro". True story
oh and who not mental will use an autoblock with a shield that autoblock with the same results?
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Wow easy there partner with the post button.
Is this really real? I really hope it is just some elaborate internet in joke where most got the memo except for a few clueless people.
How would the program fare when someone is swinging with a sword and a team mate stabs off the side with a pike? Would it manage to block both?
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The biggest 'tell', the autoblocker blocking always down when not responding to a block, has been recently changed and so using that as a way to catch people isn't really possible anymore :|
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oh and who not mental will use an autoblock with a shield that autoblock with the same results?
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I tried, but I don't understand your post here. :(
Do you use google translator by chance? Might be something in the translation that got messed up.
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I tried, but I don't understand your post here. :(
Do you use google translator by chance? Might be something in the translation that got messed up.
I think he says that using autoblock when you got a shield is stupid :lol:
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I think he says that using autoblock when you got a shield is stupid :lol:
OHHHHHHH, that actually makes some sense.
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So auto block is real?
I always thought it was just an excuse for certain people
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So auto block is real?
I always thought it was just an excuse for certain people
Im certain you have been using it up until now! How else could you block all my chambers and superfeints? :rolleyes:
And yeah, some people on IRC said they spotted atleast one obvious autoblocker.
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I tried, but I don't understand your post here. :(
Do you use google translator by chance? Might be something in the translation that got messed up.
someonelse understood... evidence that you must be one smart enough to use the autoblock cheat with a huscarl shield.
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someonelse understood... evidence that you must be one smart enough to use the autoblock cheat with a huscarl shield.
Or just evidence that you write like a pre-school child with a learning disability.
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Hasn't everyone heard? Autoblock hacks are for noobs
AutoCHAMBER blocks are what the pro clans are using
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woe... cheats even arrived at mount & blade. that's really sad. :(
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Im gonna print this script out, mix it with some alcohol get a needle and inject it into my hand. Maybe I get better at blocking then.
Damn cheaters, ban them all!
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and just 2-3 weeks ago many ppl were making fun of a guy who claimed that there is an autoblock hack
Well I guess some of those were the ones using it :D
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Silly autoblockers
you can't block my couched lance :twisted:
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Lol found an autoblocker today. Its sad because most people who have the autoblocker are terrible. The guy was 5-13 with a 34 ping... Just double fake and hit when he swings or walk past and hit em in the side.
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*starts rumor that the reason crymoar disappeared was due to autoblocking ban*
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Silly autoblockers
you can't block my couched lance :twisted:
That's why I autochambe---I mean, nevermind.... :shock:
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That's why I autochambe---I mean, nevermind.... :shock:
Wooo...
I wanted to become an auto chamber bot myself. So I started a Native campaign and spent 3 hours in the arena last night, without blocking a single time. I never made it to the final prize (but I got a nice amount of money and leveled to 7 xD). I think I need like 20 hours more of practice before being able to pull out side swing chambers in MP battles. Those are really a pain to do. Given the headache that forced me to stop, there's one thing I have to say :
Kids don't do this at home.
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Indeed.
Inflamed tendons in my right hand, occasional headaches that escalate into migraine proportion. Don't try this at home. It will mess you up. :twisted:
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has there ever been sbdy banned because of using autoblock cheat? if there is any list of those, it would be nice to see it.
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Wooo...
I wanted to become an auto chamber bot myself. So I started a Native campaign and spent 3 hours in the arena last night, without blocking a single time. I never made it to the final prize (but I got a nice amount of money and leveled to 7 xD). I think I need like 20 hours more of practice before being able to pull out side swing chambers in MP battles. Those are really a pain to do. Given the headache that forced me to stop, there's one thing I have to say :
Kids don't do this at home.
And even if you manage, everyone attacks with different weapon speed/wpf/delays/angles in cRPG.
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guys on the hack developer forums are having quite some lols on the mess autoblocker caused here :D