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Buff 1h cav?

Yes, it's already very weak, BUFF 1h cav
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No
19 (32.8%)
Give them run
11 (19%)
Make peace not war
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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2014, 09:33:15 am »
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While 1h (heavy) cav can be a powerful tool it is a high risk high reward class it has it's pros and cons just like every other class.
Pros
-Selective Targeting*<---
-High health
-High Mobility
-Bump damage
-Viable Infantry Skills
Cons
-Large easy to hit high priority target for ranged
-Most expensive class
-Takes a lot of points(Riding,Shield, High PS, etc)
-Bottom of the cav food chain(Rouncey cav doesn't count) A lancer unable to kill a 1h cav should reflect on his/her anti-cav skills
-Those pesky horse archers!
-Even 2h can rear use not to say it doesn't really matter because they 1hit my champion large warhorse if I charge full speed at them(which is why I don't)
-People with sticks up their ass(probably broken off lances) who make their builds and focus solely on killing cav (Bonsai) no offense.
-Weak against throwing
-High TW risk or risk of being TWed
-Map and Team dependency (More enemy team's class demographics than anything)

All in all just like every class it has its pros and cons like it should, but once you master it can be highly effective.
Also while every once in awhile we get out lucky I almost never make it out of the 7 man moshpits you speak of after my horse is reared.

The only thing that I think needs to be adjusted is the rearing from sides (pole arm is on your left while you try to make a getaway and he somehow manages to rear your horse when he is at your 9' o clock) Should be set to -75-75 degrees not -90-90 and not so much a 1h cav thing but nerf 2h stab already.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2014, 09:43:38 am by LordLargos »
Well, this doesn't look good for you. Four team kills - definitely intentional, Appeared to be afk more than once in the video.Also kicking people off of walls is grieving! don't do it.... but ill let you off with a warning this time, only because I don't like largos anyway.

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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2014, 12:01:31 pm »
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A lancer unable to kill a 1h cav should reflect on his/her anti-cav skills
A 1h cav unable to kill a lancer should reflect on his/her anti-cav skills.

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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2014, 12:50:33 pm »
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It goes both ways. A toss-up if same skill level, but a skilled lancer should be able to take out a 1h cav and the other way around. They're good against each other in different ways, so the best one (or most patient/least reckless) will win a 1v1.
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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2014, 04:04:09 pm »
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One thing is the bane of all cavalry classes: stupid teammates
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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2014, 05:47:52 pm »
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Agree with gurnisson there. Disagree with Largos on almost all points in cons.

One thing is the bane of all of any class: stupid teammates

At least if I'm cav, I can ignore my teammates. As infantry, I'm forced to fight 8v1 or something.

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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2014, 06:22:41 pm »
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Agree with gurnisson there. Disagree with Largos on almost all points in cons.

At least if I'm cav, I can ignore my teammates. As infantry, I'm forced to fight 8v1 or something.

If it's 8vs1 one person more or less doesn't make a difference, trust me

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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2014, 06:24:40 pm »
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One thing though, I witnessed that 1h cav tend to use their horses as meatshields much more than lancers do. As in, trading your horse's HP against the enemy's HP. Lancers have (or rather, had, back when horses could you know, turn) the possibility of inflicting damage on one guy while staying out of harm if their maneuver is correctly executed.

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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2014, 10:05:19 pm »
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At least if I'm cav, I can ignore my teammates. As infantry, I'm forced to fight 8v1 or something.
It's not like that really, if your class depends on backstabbing distracted people.
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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2014, 10:19:20 pm »
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I believe that it doesn't depend on backstabbing distracted people, but it is merely another bonus on a list of positives. There are more options available to you besides that. Relocating, grouping up with other teammates, getting off the horse, and more.

If it's 8vs1 one person more or less doesn't make a difference, trust me

Huh? I was trying to say that I can more easily get out of poor situations for myself. I could move to another part of the map where there are teammates or easier targets. 8v1 to 8v2 does make a difference depending on the situation.

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Re: 1h cav
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2014, 10:32:28 pm »
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You dont really need to be a master to do well as 1h cav, more swings are oneshot than not. Horse is so tanky on top of having a shield covering 90% of the front. Its more of a High upkeep, high reward class.
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