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Title: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:06:20 am
why do new players get 4 +3 given to them?

The Reason I am very mad about this is why should you give new players 4 +3 when veterans have spend years earning these items, also your taking the whole point of the game away that your ment to earn item by putting time into the game. after all the years I have played crpg and the veterans are rewarded with nothing for sticking by the game and helping chadz start off a career in the gaming industry. remember chadz you might of put time into the game and we are very greatful but we are the ones that help make crpg what it is. anyway what are other peoples opinions on this, I am just been a hardcore rage nerd or am I right to be a rage nerd?

Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:08:48 am
Uhm. Because cRPG became more and more grossly unfair for new players.

Levels, skill, looms, all made it extremely hard to start out pre-patch. Much more so than us vets ever had to endure.. Afaik those looms they get are OK, but not fantastic weapons and armors. And they can't select what they want either. They get 1 armor and 3 weapons, one 1h, one pole, and 1 2h. And I think they are untradable too.

So plenty of motivation to keep grinding. Or would you rather it would be that devs stole looms and levels from old players?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 20, 2014, 12:09:03 am
really? 4 +3 item? Wow, that sounds great. Hope it will help new players to stay!
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: DrTaco on October 20, 2014, 12:12:57 am
I'm going to guess if you have any heirloomed items - that aren't +3, you don't get any +3's?

EDIT: NEVERMIIIND.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Amatsuka on October 20, 2014, 12:14:50 am
I just want to say I've been playing for like three years and don't have 4 +3 loomed items.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:14:57 am
Uhm. Because cRPG became more and more grossly unfair for new players.

Levels, skill, looms, all made it extremely hard to start out pre-patch. Much more so than us vets ever had to endure..
yes but I put hard work into getting these +3 items and have stuck by the game for years and now they give new players 4 +3 items and I don't get shit.

4 +3 items can take about 6 months to a 1 years of playing to get but now you just give it to people who just started. to be honest its bull shit and makes me feel like veterans don't get shit for all the time they but in. chadz must remember we made everything hes done possible and I don't feel like we get enough thanks for it. but I do thank chadz for everything and I love this mod and cant wait for Melee Battleground but just want you lot to remember about your vets.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Novamere on October 20, 2014, 12:15:36 am
Isnt this super exploitable? couldnt someone buy like 6 keys and keep making new accounts and then tranffering the 4 +3s to 1 account? like wtf

Does not sounds liek the best idea to get new players, give them some starting gold maybe.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: JasonPastman on October 20, 2014, 12:16:03 am
Prolly should have give everyone the looms, as this would quell the unfairness to the vets and still even things up with the newbs.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: darmaster on October 20, 2014, 12:17:28 am
theffuck a new player has 12 looms more than me? just fucking remove looms and buff everything ffs
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Jacaroma on October 20, 2014, 12:17:54 am
So i have 1 MW yumi, that means i don't get any of the new items? :cry:
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 20, 2014, 12:18:26 am
I can't confirm if this is true or not, could be trolling.  However, you'd have to imagine how easy it would be to get M&B keys for 5 bucks and just get a ton of looms that way.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:20:24 am
You can't trade them or make them anything else from them. No blacksmithing. Nothing.

So look at it as 1 preselected decent/not great +3 armor and decent/not great +3 weapon that you can't do anything about. Get it?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Novamere on October 20, 2014, 12:20:30 am
I can't confirm if this is true or not, could be trolling.  However, you'd have to imagine how easy it would be to get M&B keys for 5 bucks and just get a ton of looms that way.

Thats what im saying,did they not think of that? someone buying like 5 keys for 5$ each and then transferring all the +3s or LPs or whatever? Or are they making those +3s stuck on the account or non tradeable?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: darmaster on October 20, 2014, 12:21:16 am
wipe
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Novamere on October 20, 2014, 12:21:19 am
You can't trade them or make them anything else from them. They are just static +3 looms. And you can't use 3 weapons at the same time anyway. Just 1.

So look at it as 1 armor and 1 weapon that you can't do anything about. Get it?

So they are stuck on that character and the account and cant be traded or anything like that?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 20, 2014, 12:22:34 am
bah, I think you are so disgusting with your shittalk about 'veterans' that don't get paid for 'the hard work' they put into this mod and now feel treated unfair because finally new player get something in advance to at least get the illusion they can somehow keep up with us. Little crying pussie baby veterans, is what you are.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:23:06 am
So they are stuck on that character and the account and cant be traded or anything like that?

Yes. Look above. They are not like normal looms. They are mid-tier class. 1 armor and 3 different class weapons. You can only swing one weapon at the time..

Chill out guys. :)
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Novamere on October 20, 2014, 12:25:22 am
Quote
[15:22] <Novamere> Harald those 4 +3 items new players get arent tradeable or reforgeable or anything like that right? they are account and character bound?

[15:23] <harald> novamere yes

Thats what i got so  :D
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: bentrion on October 20, 2014, 12:26:00 am
Im playing cRPG since release, but not excessive. The reason of that is: 1 +3 and 1 +2 Item. Can I get 2 or 3 +3 Items please?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:27:41 am
But you can trade and make whatever you want from those weapons. New players can't.

They get a standard armor and 1 weapon of each class.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:27:44 am
READ ALL OF THIS ONE

Thomek you said that Vets are op because of +3 no, not saying +3 don't help but its Builds that make players op not +3, But just giving +3 away is making it pointless for vets to keep playing since we have put time to improve our characters to make it feel rewarding at the end of it all but now I just don't see a point in playing since I know that my hard work is for nothing if new players can just get free +3 for nothing.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Jacaroma on October 20, 2014, 12:29:23 am
I could buy warband again, make a new account, and be in better shape than i am now.. I only have 1 mw item.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: darmaster on October 20, 2014, 12:30:28 am
exactly, as said it'd be better if everyone had this chance. or even better, remove looms. or even better, wipe
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 20, 2014, 12:30:46 am
So I should get another account, transfer all my looms to it, and then start playing that account?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:30:58 am
I could buy warband again, make a new account, and be in better shape than i am now.. I only have 1 mw item.

..... You would have a standard +3 two handed sword and a +3 medium level armor (untradable!) , and be 25 on your main.

Or just join a clan and get access to overfilled underused armories..

So I should get another account, transfer all my looms to it, and then start playing that account?
If you can live with a main char at lvl25.


@mrrdhardy

Yes, and new players start at 25.

??

You should be higher level than you were pre-patch, according to your XP.

Now, yes. There is not so big difference between new players and old players anymore. But it had gotten out of hand. The system was never designed to last this long, and it became grossly unfair.

What you want? No new players to play against?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: darmaster on October 20, 2014, 12:32:01 am
wipe?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:33:49 am
Still think this isn't the way to do it. give them +0 items but not +3 and its very rare new players stay anyway.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: darmaster on October 20, 2014, 12:34:39 am
wipe
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: bentrion on October 20, 2014, 12:35:29 am
Still blocking > loomed items. Its ok for new players, can i get +3 black lamellar vest? :D
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: tjdwlgns612 on October 20, 2014, 12:36:15 am
wipe?

WIPE
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:36:39 am
all I ask is where are the veterans rewards? we want rewards for sticking by the game for years. even when the games has had 20 people on EU and NA servers ive still kept going but now you just shit on us and say here new players have 4 +3 for free not like it took vets 1 year to earn that stuff.  :?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:36:52 am
all I ask is where are the veterans rewards? we want rewards for sticking by the game for years. even when the games has had 20 people on EU and NA servers ive still kept going but now you just shit on us and say here new players have 4 +3 for free not like it took vets 1 year to earn that stuff.  :?

Veteran rewards are hopefully new players to slaughter. By skill, not by crutching on gear..

Its very rare new players stay anyway.

Because the game was rigged. Extremely unfair and time consuming. Not anymore..
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:37:40 am
Because the game was rigged. Extremely unfair and time consuming. Not anymore..
so whats the reason for playing if an rpg if you don't have to put time into is this just native now?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: darmaster on October 20, 2014, 12:38:44 am
WIPE

community has spoken, wipe
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:39:37 am
Veteran rewards are hopefully new players to slaughter. By skill, not by crutching on gear..
I don't have skill I relay on my +3 to help me compete but now that's gone down the shitter.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: bentrion on October 20, 2014, 12:39:42 am
community has spoken, wipe

I get 1 LP for Bake M:BG, so its lost with the wipe?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Rebelyell on October 20, 2014, 12:39:44 am
stop mowning, it is really good idea that new players get them
If you have less than 4 go cry to chadz meybe he give you some
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 12:39:54 am
Oh my god. Please understand.

If you want to make your OWN UNIQUE CHAR. Which is kind of the point of cRPG, you can still grind up your own +3's that can be whatever you want, and levels too.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:42:10 am
like new items they have added keep it going but I feel like devs have given up on the mod and just done a shit thing with all the builds. making people level 35? might aswell play native also devs and admins have just spent years to make the game balanced but not you just make it super unbalanced just so new players clan play.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Tovi on October 20, 2014, 12:44:36 am
There is new players ?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: bentrion on October 20, 2014, 12:45:48 am
There is new players ?

*rofl*  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:47:43 am
Veteran rewards are hopefully new players to slaughter. By skill, not by crutching on gear..
also new players to slaughter all I see is veterans coming back to the mod to see the patch, the mod will go back to been dead in a month or two and you will relay on people like me to keep it going.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 12:53:52 am
you wonder why the mod was dieing before the patch is because your not giving us anything to do, lets face it strat is dieing, we don't have any events anymore and you just pull shit like this all the time. start doing evens every week so people can earn items from it and put strat back to its old ways, less prices for items and no crime rate. also stop changing the builds all the time just keep it the way it was and add more new items into the game!
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: LEKIS on October 20, 2014, 12:54:21 am
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Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: LordRichrich on October 20, 2014, 01:00:47 am
Wouldn't mind some +3's seeing as I have only two :P

But I think it's great. How'd it work, they given 4 random crappy-ish (ie not danishes etc) looms?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: _Zetan_ on October 20, 2014, 01:01:33 am
fuck new players , get them a pussy ass new player server if they want to play. Just like Europe thinking communism of c-rpg stand in line for your toilet paper and bag of food. This worked great for Russia and other liberal thinking countries and wont for crpg. Next there be a wall and Obama will stand on it saying everything is alright lets hold hands people. visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 01:02:40 am
Wouldn't mind some +3's seeing as I have only two :P

But I think it's great. How'd it work, they given 4 random crappy-ish (ie not danishes etc) looms?

Yes. I don't recall which ones. But really mid tier armors and weapons. Something like two handed sword and tunic over mail. Not terribad and not great. Just so they can play and learn and be useful. But still hungry for better stuff.

Maybe more important, quite generic and boring stuff. Not something to make yourself unique in any way.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 01:06:01 am
Thomek lets face it most of the new players will leave and you will be left with the veterans who will be even less this time as devs and admins are giving us fuck all to do and pissing us off with the amount of bull shit you keep pulling on us. please just get your act together, give us events and give us back our old builds and take away the free 4 +3 off new players!
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 01:08:22 am
You go ahead and organize events yourself if you want them!  8-)

c-RPG is made by those who give a fuck and do something themselves. I'm not a c-rpg dev btw :) Just trying to clarify what the patch is about before everyone jumps on conclusions.

Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 01:12:02 am
You go ahead and organize events yourself if you want them!  8-)

c-RPG is made by those who give a fuck and do something themselves. I'm not a c-rpg dev btw :) Just trying to clarify what the patch is about before everyone jumps on conclusions.
isn't this ment to be the job of the Community admins to host events for the community and you should give a fuck since your a admin.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: jtobiasm on October 20, 2014, 01:13:47 am
If they get 4 +3 items I'd like a +3 item, been playing 2 years and only have 3.

Though if i played melee i wouldn't even use looms, only got them as its pretty much a must need to get kills as ranged.

#Removelooms
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: IG_Saint on October 20, 2014, 01:14:30 am
If these items are pre-selected, untradeable and so on, why not just give them to all players? I don't see why you wouldn't give everyone a chance to use some generic, semi decent looms.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 01:17:51 am
If these items are pre-selected, untradeable and so on, why not just give them to all players? I don't see why you wouldn't give everyone a chance to use some generic, semi decent looms.
make the items +1 or +2 and let them be able to swap them for only a low value items.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 01:21:57 am
lets face you guys did this patch to try and save crpg but instead you have ruined classes, ruined the whole point of putting time into the game to earn +3 and made it into almost Native. Also didn't know people in the medieval times could run like Usain bolt in Gothic plate.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: StonedSteel on October 20, 2014, 01:23:00 am
Uhm. Because cRPG became more and more grossly unfair for new players.

Levels, skill, looms, all made it extremely hard to start out pre-patch. Much more so than us vets ever had to endure.. Afaik those looms they get are OK, but not fantastic weapons and armors. And they can't select what they want either. They get 1 armor and 3 weapons, one 1h, one pole, and 1 2h. And I think they are untradable too.

So plenty of motivation to keep grinding. Or would you rather it would be that devs stole looms and levels from old players?

thats what i said from the beginning, and all i got was "qq more" and "learn to play" blah blah, i had beefs with people when i used to get my ass kicked and respond "just wait till i get MY looms"

i got my ass fucking handed to me for months until i got just 2 armor items and a weapon...and the people that used to talk shit to me when i went on about how unfair the game was, started talking shit to me cuz i started whooping their asses

when ii finally got all my armor loomed and my weapon loomed i stared hitting the top of the board, and have been there ever since. because i was dedicated.

crpg will never be fair, but to give new players THAT BIG of a pass....one or two items i would have been fine with

but hands, body, head armor and a weapon +3? AT THE BEGINNING?

fuck that, new players dont deserve to be victims, ill give u that...but giving them the same gear it took me 2 years to get, the beginning of which was sheer hell, thats pretty irritating, i worked hard to get were i am.

also pretty much makes every guide and "come to crpg! \ what is crpg?" vid pointless now, the aspect of starting out as a peasant and working your way up to being a champion is completely destroyed with this idea to give new players the same items veteran players have.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Apple_the_Green on October 20, 2014, 01:23:55 am
Give everybody 12 looms then.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Novamere on October 20, 2014, 01:26:00 am
If these items are pre-selected, untradeable and so on, why not just give them to all players? I don't see why you wouldn't give everyone a chance to use some generic, semi decent looms.

Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Albus on October 20, 2014, 01:27:55 am
This is what you they get (And me cuz i r new)
- 18000 gold
- War Spear
- Two Handed Sword
- Long Arming Sword
- Red Tunic over Mail
^^^^Masterwork of course (not the money)
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Chosen1 on October 20, 2014, 01:31:13 am
yeah this game fucking sucks now i cant level crutch or loom crutch anymore mod is ded RIP in peace
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Jacaroma on October 20, 2014, 01:33:03 am
I think this would be something good that you run by the community before releasing it.  Not complaining, it's good for the newer people, but maybe everybody should get a starter kit? I've been playing for a little less than 5 months and i have 1 Masterwork item, some people play years and have 20 MW items. I think it would be more fair if everybody got a starter kit.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 01:38:17 am
I think this would be something good that you run by the community before releasing it.  Not complaining, it's good for the newer people, but maybe everybody should get a starter kit? I've been playing for a little less than 5 months and i have 1 Masterwork item, some people play years and have 20 MW items. I think it would be more fair if everybody got a starter kit.
don't think anyone should get any free +3 you should earn them like the rest of us, also make the level back to what they where so that new players stand a better chance.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: F i n on October 20, 2014, 01:47:58 am
Still think this isn't the way to do it. give them +0 items but not +3 and its very rare new players stay anyway.

Because there`s too many ppl like you :D ...
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Bronto on October 20, 2014, 01:51:52 am
Because there`s too many ppl like you :D ...

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Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: LordRichrich on October 20, 2014, 02:03:43 am
+3 long arming sword, warspear, two handed sword and mail?! I'd love even one of those! xD

God damnit xD
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 20, 2014, 02:14:06 am
Bah, stop whining.

Also, I already have 3 of those starter kits as my looms and 3 LPs left from my last time playing over 5-6 months ago.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: LordRichrich on October 20, 2014, 02:16:14 am
Bah, stop whining.

Also, I already have 3 of those starter kits as my looms and 3 LPs left from my last time playing over 5-6 months ago.

Would you like to donate to someone who only has 2 looms, that's less than someone who started playing today! :P
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 20, 2014, 02:17:54 am
Would you like to donate to someone who only has 2 looms, that's less than someone who started playing today! :P

Sure, Join my clans armory and take advantage of 35 gens.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 02:19:40 am
Because there`s too many ppl like you :D ...
people like me keep the game alive and have been for years. be careful what you say fin your gona need all the people you can get when Melee Battlegrounds comes out because you have to compete with bannerlords. now could you please take a seat.

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Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 20, 2014, 02:20:57 am
people like me keep the game alive and have been for years. be careful what you say fin your gona need all the people you can get when Melee Battlegrounds comes out because you have to compete with bannerlords.

Entitlement loser spotted.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 02:25:39 am
Entitlement loser spotted.
Entitlement dick sucker spotted
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 20, 2014, 02:30:18 am
Entitlement dick sucker spotted

WAH WAH WAH MAH GRIND IS NOT GOOD I NOT BUY YOUR NEW GAME IF YOU DON"T CATER TO ME NOW WAH WAH WAH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 02:39:22 am
but hands, body, head armor and a weapon +3? AT THE BEGINNING?

No, they get 1 armor, and 3 ok weapons so they can try out some classes.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 02:39:56 am
WAH WAH WAH MAH COCK IS GOOD I SUCK YOUR COCK IF YOU DON"T PAY ME NOW WAH WAH WAH!!!!!!!
  :o
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Leshma on October 20, 2014, 02:40:30 am
earning

 :lol:

Edit: I read rest of stuff you wrote and noticed you've been using words such as "reward", "deserve", "hard work". Caught myself with exactly the same attitude and that's pretty much the reason why I stopped playing this mod. Unhealthy attitude. Not sure can I blame chadz for that or not, can't be sure he did it on purpose. Is it some nefarious plot to observe people developing unhealthy attitude after prolonged exposure to cRPG mod or it is just a man playing with fire without knowing what can happen if a person isn't careful.

Anyway, I'm sure chadz has learned his lesson and will make sure this doesn't happen in his future projects.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Trikipum on October 20, 2014, 02:58:09 am
Give all the noobs all the heirlooms they want man, I wouldnt care less. This patch isnt making it any easier for the noob players though. They will have to compete with level 37  and more builds with a level 25 char. If any, this patch just has broken the little balance the game had, makes all more messy and everyone runs  like a sumpter horse. I cant see how a horde of agi whores on steroids can be "good" for new players. Really. Its a patch for low pingers, agi whores and spammers. Good luck fighting a 21/27 2h hero   guy with ping under 20 with your brand new 3 heirlooms and your level 25 char...
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 03:00:06 am
Give all the noobs all the heirlooms they want man, I wouldnt care less. This patch isnt making it any easier for the noob players though. They will have to compete with level 37  and more builds with a level 25 char. If any, this patch just has broken the little balance the game had, makes all more messy and everyone runs  like a sumpter horse. I cant see how a horde of agi whores on steroids can be "good" for new players. Really. Its a patch for low pingers, agi whores and spammers. Good luck fighting a 21/27 2h hero   guy with ping under 20 with your brand new 3 heirlooms and your level 25 char...
your right I cant play melee in NA anymore cant handle to agi whores  :D
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Trikipum on October 20, 2014, 03:01:46 am
:lol:

Edit: I read rest of stuff you wrote and noticed you've been using words such as "reward", "deserve", "hard work". Caught myself with exactly the same attitude and that's pretty much the reason why I stopped playing this mod. Unhealthy attitude. Not sure can I blame chadz for that or not, can't be sure he did it on purpose. Is it some nefarious plot to observe people developing unhealthy attitude after prolonged exposure to cRPG mod or it is just a man playing with fire without knowing what can happen if a person isn't careful.

Anyway, I'm sure chadz has learned his lesson and will make sure this doesn't happen in his future projects.
You sound like you were talking about heroin
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Leshma on October 20, 2014, 03:55:40 am
Heroin can kill a man in four years and cRPG so far haven't been guilty of that. But the way system is built certainly brings the worst out of certain group of people, large enough to become an issue. Yes man is at fault for falling for obvious traps and not using his brain, but you can't tell system is without flaws.

Despite obvious desire to level the playground by giving newbies loompoints and making level differences smaller, they still kept that 8 million XP requirement for retirement. That shows there is conflict in them, still not sure do they want everyone to have looms or just newbies. Guess that will last trick if this doesn't go through, making retirement process trivial in an attempt to keep players interested. Before it was mostly grind your ass of to reap reward and at times it was very painful for some people. Right now they aren't sure is it wise to ditch that because it brings addiction and addiction, while being destructive force is forcing people to keep playing. Another thing they could try is to force "fast play" through higher levels and faster leveling and retiring which means people won't be bored as much but game might lose appeal for those who think of it as hardcore grind which was previously glued them to the screen.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: [ptx] on October 20, 2014, 08:00:38 am
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Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Halk on October 20, 2014, 08:06:50 am
By the way, can you exchange items that have been bought from marketplace after the patch?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 20, 2014, 09:06:48 am
It's a stupid solution to a stupid problem.

We are solving the wrong problems.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Hellsing on October 20, 2014, 09:35:20 am
why do new players get 4 +3 given to them?
U serious?
I played ages on my main not participating in any strat battles.
Still only have 3 mw, and 2 points!!! This is not fair!
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Ubba_Ragnarsson on October 20, 2014, 09:38:48 am
Its just a care package to keep people interested as everyone whos played for years has developed into their own kind of monster. Seems nobody looks at it from a peasants perspective, a real peasant not one of them fake ones that cut you in half with a scythe. You start this new game, you think how amazing it is, you slash your cleaver around a bit, realise it can't block, switch to you lump of wood, think your amazing, then the ground rumbles a bit everything goes dark and you turn around and see theres a 12 foot plated monster with a horned helmet and the biggest weapon you have ever seen with steam oozing through the holes in his mask, then you hit him, your stick breaks and he splats you. Some people do have the mentality 'I'm gonna stick at it come back and kill that monster' but a lot of people, the right kind we want here are the ones who enjoy game mods and can pretty much sum a game up from small experiences will see c-RPG is a grindfest for the total peasant and not a fun one because its not balanced in favour of the peasant. Where as if you're given a small package it shows its well thought out. Its untradable also so theres no real benefit to it.

When you say we have played for years to get where we are, we haven't we have PLAYED for years, its a game the word means exactly that and what you have played for is the right to choose what looms you have. They will also have to work for that its just in the meantime it will be more fun for them so they will actually do that. Also. A loomed weapon is a few stats higher than a non-loomed weapon. The effectiveness isn't in the loom its in the player so lets not get carried away with that, give the real peasant full +3 plate and any spammy pole weapon and you could beat them to death with a stick eventually I'd think.

Its a game, you play because you want to and its fun. Yes it helps chadz but seriously, you're not doing it out of the goodness of your heart. I've played COD and Runescape and various other games for years and yet no reward and those games keep getting easier for newer players. its the way things work.

Its a simple solution to a simple problem.

Saying that, it wouldn't hurt if everyone got them for the sake of fairness. I don't believe that would change too much and still keeps things on an even keel still keeping it fair for the newer player.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Hearst_ on October 20, 2014, 09:46:42 am
Ffs guys i've been playing this shit since 2010 but i don't even have 4 +3 .....
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Hellsing on October 20, 2014, 09:49:04 am
Fun killed yesterday.
For real peasents? Yesterday only the old same bundle of stickss came back to beat shit out of you with old and new accounts.
The truely peasents who quit playing havnt earned any benefits (I do checkings on it, coz would be fun to have 5 active members again) but all they have done is fucking us again.

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Quote from: Spanky_Ham on October 14, 2014, 11:50:27 pm
    Does this affect accounts who have never retired, too?
    Got severel friends of mine who had quit the game right at lvl 21 or someone just on 14 coz they were frustrated to cant beat anything as peasent..

Good point, i'll look into this.

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Ffs guys i've been playing this shit since 2010 but i don't even have 4 +3 .....
Same here startet dec 2010.
Got 3 +3. and 2 points in the whole time..
Just as a fair player who dont trades unfair/participates in strategus the whole fucking time  to recive benefits, you got truely punished hardly.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Fredom on October 20, 2014, 03:05:59 pm
Uhm. Because cRPG became more and more grossly unfair for new players.

Levels, skill, looms, all made it extremely hard to start out pre-patch. Much more so than us vets ever had to endure.. Afaik those looms they get are OK, but not fantastic weapons and armors. And they can't select what they want either. They get 1 armor and 3 weapons, one 1h, one pole, and 1 2h. And I think they are untradable too.

So plenty of motivation to keep grinding. Or would you rather it would be that devs stole looms and levels from old players?
I'm not against this, just wanted to say that I play this since almost release and dont even have 4 mw's myself :P
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Boerenlater on October 20, 2014, 03:09:03 pm
Ffs guys i've been playing this shit since 2010 but i don't even have 4 +3 .....
I've been playing for 3 years with a 3 months break or so and reinstalled today and got those 4 mw items.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Grumbs on October 20, 2014, 03:10:09 pm
U serious?
I played ages on my main not participating in any strat battles.
Still only have 3 mw, and 2 points!!! This is not fair!

You got the MW items you want though. Newbies will get like a MW Wimple and a few MW weapons they might not want to use and can't exchange for anything
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Codebox on October 20, 2014, 03:13:39 pm
Give me LOOMS  :evil:
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Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 03:45:28 pm
You got the MW items you want though. Newbies will get like a MW Wimple and a few MW weapons they might not want to use and can't exchange for anything
its Still good weapons though +3 War Spear, +3 Two Handed Sword, +3 Knightly Arming Sword and +3 White Tunic over mail. also going back to my questions before where are the rewards to vet players for playing this game for years. I have been playing for years and crpg hasn't given me shit for no special items, no gold nothing not even a fun a event every weekend.

Its time we start getting community admins to host Events on the event server and get double xp weekend or something, but not give all new players 4 +3 and make everyone superman.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Rico on October 20, 2014, 03:47:11 pm
yes but I put hard work into getting these +3 items

when you consider playing computer games work, you are doing it wrong :!:
no exceptions :(
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Kaido on October 20, 2014, 03:47:43 pm
Playing 4 years still not 4 +3s :lol:
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 03:50:47 pm
when you consider playing computer games work, you are doing it wrong :!:
no exceptions :(
yes but crpg some days it has felt like work with any type of rpg, you have to grind to get what you want, but now they are taking all that way but just giving this shit away which takes some players 6 month to a year of grinding.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Grumbs on October 20, 2014, 03:52:56 pm
They could just give the MW items to everyone I guess. Its not like it makes people who already have some looms more powerful since you can't use them all at once
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Camaris on October 20, 2014, 05:23:38 pm
Uhm. Because cRPG became more and more grossly unfair for new players.

Levels, skill, looms, all made it extremely hard to start out pre-patch. Much more so than us vets ever had to endure.. Afaik those looms they get are OK, but not fantastic weapons and armors. And they can't select what they want either. They get 1 armor and 3 weapons, one 1h, one pole, and 1 2h. And I think they are untradable too.

So plenty of motivation to keep grinding. Or would you rather it would be that devs stole looms and levels from old players?

I dont think its unfair to give them those looms, but its totally outdated how you treat players with their existing looms... come on i even reforged a fucking item cause yesterday there for sure was no exchange button. Thx for wasting 8 million xp on me. Why cant we exchange one item every week....
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 05:37:23 pm
I dont think its unfair to give them those looms, but its totally outdated how you treat players with their existing looms... come on i even reforged a fucking item cause yesterday there for sure was no exchange button. Thx for wasting 8 million xp on me. Why cant we exchange one item every week....
be no point of a marketplace then
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Kingtrisp on October 20, 2014, 05:49:38 pm
So what your saying is create new account and move my old looms to new account after i have gotten my four +3 looms? sure kk :D
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Camaris on October 20, 2014, 09:23:09 pm
be no point of a marketplace then

So what??? Im here to fight other people not to play the market.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: [ptx] on October 20, 2014, 09:59:59 pm
This thread is beyond pathetic. Can't help but comment again >_>
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: sF_Guardian on October 20, 2014, 10:25:37 pm
God, I'm getting tired of this kind of people.
ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! is all they say and can think of.
Grow a pair and start accepting some things, it's not like you would want a non-tradeable Long Arming Sword or Yellow Tunic over Mail anyways.

And as far as reward goes: You enjoyed this game for years, why can't you be thankful for that?

Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Hellsing on October 20, 2014, 10:30:35 pm
Well as long as I can people with normal unloomed stones again, I´m fine with this patch :oops:
I already calmed down, new players still can't realy slaughter expect 1 or 2 who truly can play.. So stopping  :cry: for not having same stuff.

Just rethink about this please:
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/upcoming-%27revival%27-patch/msg1079434/#msg1079434
Harald said he would though about this little suggestion I had, but seems like it turned out in nothing  :oops:  :(
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Aprikose on October 20, 2014, 10:43:24 pm
Uhm. Because cRPG became more and more grossly unfair for new players.

Levels, skill, looms, all made it extremely hard to start out pre-patch. Much more so than us vets ever had to endure.. Afaik those looms they get are OK, but not fantastic weapons and armors. And they can't select what they want either. They get 1 armor and 3 weapons, one 1h, one pole, and 1 2h. And I think they are untradable too.

So plenty of motivation to keep grinding. Or would you rather it would be that devs stole looms and levels from old players?

this bullshit argument again.
CRPG WONT GET ANY NEW PLAYERS.
accept it or not
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Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: sF_Guardian on October 20, 2014, 10:58:36 pm
this bullshit argument again.
CRPG WONT GET ANY NEW PLAYERS.
accept it or not
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I'd like to get presented some statistics proving your point.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Thomek on October 20, 2014, 11:16:48 pm
So if no new players then dont worry about anyone getting 4 +3 items pls..
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 11:32:14 pm
So if no new players then dont worry about anyone getting 4 +3 items pls..
well give us all the pack or take it away, you do know you cant run Melee Battle Grounds like you run this mod because its is just horrible, community is great, idea of the game is great but the admins and devs are just horrible you mess up so much stuff and just do what you want and not what the community wants. how about you put patches up on forums for people to vote.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 20, 2014, 11:35:46 pm
This thread is beyond pathetic. Can't help but comment again >_>
you would say that been an admin an all. you guys just cant admit when you fuck up.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Halk on October 20, 2014, 11:43:58 pm
Sup?
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: [ptx] on October 21, 2014, 12:10:23 am
you would say that been an admin an all. you guys just cant admit when you fuck up.
Protip: admins have had 0 hand in the making or decisions behind the patch.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 21, 2014, 12:17:27 am
Oh crap. Newbs just automaticly have more looms then I do  :shock:
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Veniathan on October 22, 2014, 05:18:57 pm
If you had a hard start you probably shouldn't play cRPG to begin with. I began also recently only this year, and so fucking what? It was difficult yes, hard, you had to fight to earn things and when you earned them you felt really good.

I have 3 items loomed and they're only +1. New players get a kickstart and hand-guidance in an already pretty easy game. cRPG is really not as difficult as people think. Now they start at level 25. That's really enough of an advantage. I mean what the fuck. Who actually suffered so much? Pfft
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Apple_the_Green on October 22, 2014, 10:45:56 pm
If newbs get 4+3s, they stay with it right? We all used to be newbs, so give us the 4+3s.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Macropus on October 22, 2014, 11:48:50 pm
What a pathetic thread.
Title: Re: New players get 4 +3!! WTF!
Post by: Shadowtaelon on October 23, 2014, 01:56:06 am
Skill wise I'm less than a new player I should get 5 +3 items