Unban me or not

[Serfonz]

i mean would you believe that someone with impeccable history in cRPG mod suddenly just cracked like a popcorn and started to teamkill people around ? I don't think so........

I would because it happens and reputation means nada, the second it does start to mean something and people start taking their word for it, there will be mass bans because "that guy tk'd me and hurt my feelings" when in reality they simply had a disagreement over the colour of their shoes or something ridiculous.

[Gnjus]

I would because it happens

Sorry but it doesnt. Try to imagine people like Kinngrimm, Oberyn, Ujin, Leiknir, etc, etc, just cracking like that and doing shit....it doesnt happen.

Not even ragers like Serth, Bjord, Joxer, myself, [insert many more names here] do (over the top) shitty things....let alone those calm & cool guys, who you never hear a word from.

[Serfonz]

I can imagine Leiknir doing it, that's because I know him so well. ;)

But if you where right there would be no need for an admin abuse forum. As their reputation would be as good as having admin if people should just take their word for it.

Edit: I'm not saying I wouldn't believe those people if they said x tk'd me but I don't have any proof, I am just saying that I would not ban on their word alone. (Thats me personally)

Edit again: Come to think of it we are going off topic of the thread, I will not post any further if you would like to discuss this tho please make another thread.

[Penitent]

You admins do a great job at monitoring the players and it is an appreciated job.  However, I think the bans are a little strict sometimes.

Team-killing, team-wounding, and chat-spamming are really minor crimes.  A kick will usually solve it, and if they repeat several times, a 20 min ban.  I'm sure this would solve 99% of problems.  I don't see anything wrong with revenge-kills or revenge-wounds.

Now, rules are rules, and the rules are pretty clear that no forbidden activity will be tolerated...but is this a just rule?  We, as a player-base, should appeal to justice in our rule system.

Whats with all these multi-day bans for the most petty crimes of team-killing and the like?

[Beauchamp]

imo the best way how to deal with TKer or the one who teamhits on purpose is to KILL HIM, and KILL HIM QUICKLY. by this things will be solved by themselves easily. if sbdy is banned for TKing some retard, than it is a sad story for me. common sense comes first imo, or is it not a common sense to fight(TK) retards back?

btw i'd like to see this implemented:
if sbdy TKs than the killed one gets an option: 1 - kick the TKer, 2 - keep him ingame
(or maybe not after 1st TK on map rotation, but by 2nd... was just brainstorming, but general idea is clear imo)

[Beer]

a TK for a TK makes your whole team dead...

[Syrio_Forel]

To Gnjus: yes I to have much love for you cowardly xbowmen, but thanks you for read and for yours opinion. I was shocked that you write good word for me. I dont whant talk to you like to complaining child anymore (during 5 seconds).

To Beer: I kill lots of TK, when see if somone attack, schoot or other stupid things and hits teammats i kill him and never be attack by others players of my team. Often they even thx me.

To Earthdforce: GK is cRPG Clan "Great Khans"

To Paul: Maybe it's only a game but you can learn from here. I am sick of people who when see something bad happen never helps. Just pretend they not see anything.

To admins: Try be more patient. Give a chance to say why that happend. The usually there are witnesses who may confirm somone version.

[cmp]

To admins: Try be more patient. Give a chance to say why that happend. The usually there are witnesses who may confirm somone version.

That doesn't change the fact that intantional TK (be it rage, revenge or prevention) is not allowed.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

the problem is that the team attackers are getting sneaky now days E.G waiting for an admin to go off or team hitting then when the person go to hit them back they screen it to make it look like their the "Victim" when its a load of bs so its hard to determine who the real team attackers are... 

[cmp]

the problem is that the team attackers are getting sneaky now days E.G waiting for an admin to go off or team hitting then when the person go to hit them back they screen it to make it look like their the "Victim" when its a load of bs so its hard to determine who the real team attackers are...

That's exactly why you shouldn't revenge TK.

[Mullerian]

the problem is that the team attackers are getting sneaky now days E.G waiting for an admin to go off or team hitting then when the person go to hit them back they screen it to make it look like their the "Victim" when its a load of bs so its hard to determine who the real team attackers are...

What you are describing is that its hard to tell who started team attacking first, which is exactly why revenge teamkilling is a terrible idea. While i think its too bad hes being forced off by his beliefs i still believe that if everyone was allowed to revenge tk. That would make it incredibly hard to be an admin as the logs (afaik?) dont actually show who started it and you people can always hide behind the "i was just taking revenge" excuse when team attacking.

[nuffen]

What you are describing is that its hard to tell who started team attacking first, which is exactly why revenge teamkilling is a terrible idea. While i think its too bad hes being forced off by his beliefs i still believe that if everyone was allowed to revenge tk. That would make it incredibly hard to be an admin as the logs (afaik?) dont actually show who started it and you people can always hide behind the "i was just taking revenge" excuse when team attacking.

Aye, and just to make it even more complicated. What happens if someone by an accident strikes you, and you go berserk and attacks him? Syrio Forels attitude doesnt open for doubt in such situations, and he will then actually be the main offender. Even such logs as you describe wouldnt solve this situation, as the guy who missed the enemy and hitted the teammate looks like the offender in such a log.

[Penitent]

Some games give you options when you are TK'd.

For example, your teamie kills you in the spawn.  When you die, you get a menu:

1. Kill player
2. Wound player to 1 hp
3. Forgive player
4. make player naked the next round

or something like that.  Wouldn't that make this whole discussion (and the admin's jobs) much easier?

[Gnjus]

To Gnjus: yes I to have much love for you cowardly xbowmen, but thanks you for read and for yours opinion. I was shocked that you write good word for me. I dont whant talk to you like to complaining child anymore (during 5 seconds).

Have you been banned for over a month now ? Cause i think its that long since i used a crossbow last time.....   

[MrShine]

Some games give you options when you are TK'd.

For example, your teamie kills you in the spawn.  When you die, you get a menu:

1. Kill player
2. Wound player to 1 hp
3. Forgive player
4. make player naked the next round

or something like that.  Wouldn't that make this whole discussion (and the admin's jobs) much easier?

Maybe it would help a little.   But someone who kills you in spawn probably doesn't care too much about their score or playing the game as it is meant to be played.  Most trolls would probably shrug off sitting a round out or being wounded, and most of them are naked anyways