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General Off Topic / Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:21:52 am »The Muslim golden age was started by Assyrian Christians who translated Greek and Indian works into Syriac and later into Arabic, not Muslims, all of the Abassid caliphate physicians were Assyrian Christians, not Muslims. They were responsible for the Muslim golden age while forced to live as second class citizens and eventually were driven close to extinction from centuries of persecution and genocide. Even the Moors had a connection to the Assyrians, many of the Moorish upper class were from the Syrian landed elite who took these works and ideas back to Spain with them.
@Grytviken
Can you list us some famous "Assyrian Christian Scientists" who invented/discovered anything relevant from this era?
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Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord / Re: PC Gamer Weekender + Q&A With Armağan
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General Off Topic / Re: France under attack....
« on: November 20, 2015, 03:26:52 pm »You are describing the whole thing as if the martyrdom motto has any tangible meaning anymore. These dogs nowadays always shout either "Allah Akbar" or the line about martyrs whenever anti-government people are brutally murdered. These two are used in the same context. It really doesn't have to involve a Turkish soldier being killed by a terrorist. It has become an oxymoron.
Really, I don't want to disrespect you like I did in our latest argument, but I think you have been away for too long from Turkey that you don't have a sound idea about what kind of hellhole it has become. I'd advise you to at least drop the whole terrorist-martyr talk. Today, if you are a Muslim belonging to a sect other than the Sunni or if you are an atheist worst of all, someone who opposes war, an enivorenmental activist, a worker that is a member of an independent union (not one of the government handled ones, which we call a "yellow union"), god forbid a Christian or Jew, an Armenian, somebody who doesn't like Tardogan (as if you absolutely have to); if you don't believe in all the false inflation figures bullshit etc. spewed on your face on TV all day long; if you don't worship asphalt and double-lane highways; if you question instead of blindly accepting just anything; or if you don't like Islam being shoved down children's throats at school starting from primary school; you are a fucking terrorist. That is that and it won't change.
In that case, even crowds of mobs that are in favor of lynching you will shout out the same lines. And no, you don't hear that in almost all football matches. That is again something you don't seem to know. By the way, you previously claimed that you prefer to question things, not jump to conclusions. But the fact that you are explicitly calling victims of Suruç and Ankara bombings terrorists tells me otherwise.
@Daunt_Flockula
Right now I have not much time to respond to your entire post, but I would like to respond to a few points.
Yes, I'm living outside of turkey, but I have still contacts and I visit Turkey from time to time.
Anyway, my assessment of the situation in turkey might not be totally objektive, but I think its way better than of those non-turkish speaking few guys here.
Who think by reading some articles and comments on the internet they have become "turkey-experts"...
.. But the fact that you are explicitly calling victims of Suruç and Ankara bombings terrorists tells me otherwise.
You misunderstood me there, as I stated above. Again, this statement was not mainly about Suruc or Ankara terror attacks, but with the Turkey - Pkk conflict, which is why they where shouting this slogans in the first place.
I didn't call the victims terrorists. They where mainly HDP supporters and some of them might have sympathized with the PKK. That's why some people in turkey might not care about them, or did not find it so tragic.
... And no, you don't hear that in almost all football matches. That is again something you don't seem to know...Well, I watched many football matches and I know what I'm talking about.
Check it yourself:
They shoutet "Şehi.tler ölmez, vatan bölünmez", it means something like"Martyrs never die, our land/nation will not be divided".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhc9yoExvug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ockN9182LmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1uiEr8LDHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flneJYG2xPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la1bQu8YJrk
And the list goes on...
So I'm wondering if someone will connect these "slogans" also with the Paris attacks?
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General Off Topic / Re: France under attack....
« on: November 20, 2015, 03:10:14 pm »Shouting that is even worse than shouting "Allahu akbar."
@Xant
How is it even worser? Do you really think this about religion?
Respecting the dead was hypocrisy? The game isn't going to start for one minute anyhow, the least you could do is shut up for the duration.
@Rhekimos
Obviously the empathy for the victims of terror around the world is selective.
It's ok that one feels closer to a certain culture/nation, and is more affected when something terrible happens there.
But this double standards of morality has reached a disproportionate level nowadays...
Football crowds tend to be more aggressive and nationalistic. I have not defended their behavior, but generalising all turkish people by the actions of those fools is not fair.
They can't even respect symbolic gestures for their own dead by terrorist attacks, what makes you think they would for french people?
Anyways, this is like the perfect microcosm. Stupid fucking ignorant dhimmi leftists like pepe and "moderate" muslims like Dede making endless excuses for barbaric islamists. Really Dede, it was a "protest"? And when they did the same thing after the Ankara bombings, what was that in protest of? Disengenuous piece of shit. You're either an idiot or a liar.
@Oberyn
Get some manners before writing about respect. You are the one who is constantly insulting everyone who doesn't share your views. Seriously, you need an anger management therapist..
Some of this football spectators(not all off them) dont care about the Paris attacks, because they are ethnocentric hate-mongers like your kind.
Again, for them the fallen turkish soldiers and police officers are more relevant, and they expressed this by shouting slogans. Wheter we like it or not, and this has nothing to do with Paris or any kind of support for the terrorists.
Nowhere did I mention anything about Ankara or Suruc terror attacks, and I also didn't write who would be behind it.
The grief over the victims in those bombings(Suruc, Ankara) are not shared by all turkish citizens. Infact some might even see it as a good thing, because they where mainly HDP supporters,.. I dont.
Internal political tensions, terrorist attacks(PKK,ISIS etc.) and the situation in Syria. This are the mainly reasons why a neverending hate is ongoing and the population is divided into groups with no empathy for each other. So, there are groups with different political interests, like in all the nations. This is more complicated than you think...
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General Off Topic / Re: France under attack....
« on: November 19, 2015, 12:27:50 am »Look at the Youtube comments. He just reposted some random guys words from the commentsection into this thread.
Though it's not entirely wrong...
They shoutet "Şehi.tler ölmez, vatan bölünmez", it means something like"Martyrs never die, our land/nation will not be divided".
This is a frequently used slogan in remembrance for the fallen soldiers in turkey. You might hear this in almost every football match.
It has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in Paris, but with the bombings and terrorist attacks happening in Turkey(mostly committed by Pkk Terrorists).
It was also a protest against the hypocrisy on how some tragic events get so much attention, while others are totally ignored.
Without a doubt, this was disrespectful...
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General Discussion / Re: cRPG Biceps Competition (Prizes Included)
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General Off Topic / Re: Turkish Elections 2015
« on: June 14, 2015, 12:36:47 am »
@Daunt_Flockula
At this point the turkish government has admitted gun shipments to Syrian Rebels. But it makes a difference whom they are supplied.
Does anyone really think a NATO country like Turkey going to act on its own and support fanatical ISIS terrorists?
Those fanatics are also fighting against the FSA, why would Turkey support them?
That would be insane...
At this point the turkish government has admitted gun shipments to Syrian Rebels. But it makes a difference whom they are supplied.
Does anyone really think a NATO country like Turkey going to act on its own and support fanatical ISIS terrorists?
Those fanatics are also fighting against the FSA, why would Turkey support them?
That would be insane...
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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey
« on: June 13, 2015, 11:42:11 pm »...
Yes, it is official that TR supplied ISIS recently.
It does not become a fact, because some people with political agenda repeat it over and over again like a parrot.
What evidence do you have to support this statement?
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General Off Topic / Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« on: January 10, 2015, 07:40:45 am »Tell me when was the last time that a nationalist went on a killing spree against muslims ???
Have you ever heard of NSU?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground
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General Off Topic / Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« on: January 09, 2015, 08:42:53 pm »...Where were the armenian terrorist attacks? ...
"24 October 1975: Turkey’s Paris Ambassador İsmail Erez and his driver Talip Yener were murdered by Armenian militants in the vicinity of the Embassy by car bomb."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_people_from_Turkey#Ismail_Erez
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General Off Topic / Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
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General Off Topic / Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« on: November 26, 2014, 08:55:45 pm »nothing to see here...(click to show/hide)
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General Off Topic / Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« on: November 26, 2014, 04:37:26 pm »
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General Off Topic / Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« on: November 26, 2014, 04:40:30 am »
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