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Game Balance Discussion / Ranged Cavalry Balance: Horse Throwers and Horse Xbow
« on: June 27, 2013, 01:19:00 am »
I'd really like to have a discussion about Horse Throwers (HT's) and more particularly the HT's place amongst other ranged cavalry. I'd also like to get some feedback from other players who have given the class a legitimate try. I haven't done any number crunching nor do I have a clear idea of what I'd like changed, I just want to have a discussion about my favorite underused and unappreciated class. Maybe you already have some ideas that you'd like to share or maybe you think it's fine how it is. I'd like to know either way. It's not a popular class and certainly one I've received a lot of verbal abuse and team wounds for playing. Please leave your "fuck ranged cav" comments at the door.
Personally, I've really wanted to make this class my thing. I've been playing this mod for what seems like a long time now and I've tried just about every combination of stats and proficiencies available. The one class that still strikes me as being particularly unbalanced and unloved is the Horse Thrower.
Sure it's inaccurate (it should be) and there is a low amount of ammo. These things don't bug me, I think both cons are important in keeping throwing balanced. What does bug me is my damage and over all inefficiency I feel in comparison with a Horse Xbow (HX) player of similar skill level. As a HT I feel like an incredibly gimped HX, especially when fighting against one. Throwing should be the most damaging projectile and the only time a horse thrower is going to do considerably more damage than a HX is when a throw gets the speed bonus from a horse coming in their direction. Besides that, from my playing experience, a HX can cause more damage overall because it's projectiles don't suffer from the same speed malus as throwing projectiles. Too many times have I filled a medium armoured lancer with 2 MW throwing lances (or 4 MW throwing spears) only to have them still joyfully lance-ploughing my team because of the over the top speed malus. This probably wouldn't be a problem for me because I understand the potential OPness of throwing without the speed malus. What makes it an issue is HX's not having a severe malus of their own.
Horse Xbows get more ammo, much greater accuracy, and a superior build which allows for a much higher riding skill, more weapon proficiency points, and more horse archery skill. Combine this with the lack of an xbow stat and it's no wonder I'm so incredibly frustrated when fighting HX. Hell, sometimes when I play HA it feels the same way but I'm personally content with the state of Horse Archers. I guess this is turning into a NERF HORSE XBOW thread, but if I feel like that's been a popular sentiment for some time... at least in NA_1. There's good reason for it.
I don't think that HX should be removed or nerfed into the ground, nor do I want to see HT buffed out of it's current niche. What I want, I think, is to not feel like I'm handicapping myself because I've chosen to play a class that isn't widely loved and/or abused.
That's enough out of me. What does Crpg think? I'd appreciate any constructive feedback. Thanks.
Personally, I've really wanted to make this class my thing. I've been playing this mod for what seems like a long time now and I've tried just about every combination of stats and proficiencies available. The one class that still strikes me as being particularly unbalanced and unloved is the Horse Thrower.
Sure it's inaccurate (it should be) and there is a low amount of ammo. These things don't bug me, I think both cons are important in keeping throwing balanced. What does bug me is my damage and over all inefficiency I feel in comparison with a Horse Xbow (HX) player of similar skill level. As a HT I feel like an incredibly gimped HX, especially when fighting against one. Throwing should be the most damaging projectile and the only time a horse thrower is going to do considerably more damage than a HX is when a throw gets the speed bonus from a horse coming in their direction. Besides that, from my playing experience, a HX can cause more damage overall because it's projectiles don't suffer from the same speed malus as throwing projectiles. Too many times have I filled a medium armoured lancer with 2 MW throwing lances (or 4 MW throwing spears) only to have them still joyfully lance-ploughing my team because of the over the top speed malus. This probably wouldn't be a problem for me because I understand the potential OPness of throwing without the speed malus. What makes it an issue is HX's not having a severe malus of their own.
Horse Xbows get more ammo, much greater accuracy, and a superior build which allows for a much higher riding skill, more weapon proficiency points, and more horse archery skill. Combine this with the lack of an xbow stat and it's no wonder I'm so incredibly frustrated when fighting HX. Hell, sometimes when I play HA it feels the same way but I'm personally content with the state of Horse Archers. I guess this is turning into a NERF HORSE XBOW thread, but if I feel like that's been a popular sentiment for some time... at least in NA_1. There's good reason for it.
I don't think that HX should be removed or nerfed into the ground, nor do I want to see HT buffed out of it's current niche. What I want, I think, is to not feel like I'm handicapping myself because I've chosen to play a class that isn't widely loved and/or abused.
That's enough out of me. What does Crpg think? I'd appreciate any constructive feedback. Thanks.
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Sell/Trade / [Sell] +2 Elite Scimitar 850k
« on: February 12, 2012, 10:43:12 pm »
Hello!
I'm selling my +2 Elite Scimitar.
Balanced Elite Scimitar
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 100
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1
Great dueling 1h sword.
Great for style points when used w/o a shield.
It's up for 850k on the Marketplace.
I'm selling my +2 Elite Scimitar.
Balanced Elite Scimitar
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 100
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1
Great dueling 1h sword.
Great for style points when used w/o a shield.
It's up for 850k on the Marketplace.
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Beginner's Help and Guides / Throwing Build
« on: February 10, 2012, 10:35:25 pm »
Hello Crpg! I'm going back to throwing next gen, yay! I'm still stuck on the build I want to use though.
Here's what I'm thinking:
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 66
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 7
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 102
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 120
What do you think? Should I get some shield skill for the versatility? I'm tired of glancing my 1hs off of plated strength builds so the 7 PS stays...
I don't know, anyone have some suggestions?
Here's what I'm thinking:
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 66
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 7
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 102
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 120
What do you think? Should I get some shield skill for the versatility? I'm tired of glancing my 1hs off of plated strength builds so the 7 PS stays...
I don't know, anyone have some suggestions?
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Buy / [BUY] +2 One Hander
« on: February 05, 2012, 11:41:04 pm »
I'm in the market for a +2 One Hander, nothing really specific. I can offer 850k in compensation.
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Sell/Trade / [Trade/Sell] Champion Courser
« on: February 01, 2012, 06:56:09 am »
Hello!
I'm looking to trade (or sell) away my Champion Courser.
Champion Courser
hit points: 115
body armor: 22
difficulty: 6
speed: 48
maneuver: 43
charge: 28
Items I'd like to receive in return: Two Handed Sword, Longsword, Heavy Bastard Sword, Sword of War or Great Sword.
Up for 1.4m on the Marketplace.
I'll entertain any interesting offers. I'll probably throw some money on top if you can offer me a MW throwing weapon, heavy throwing axe or up.
Please do not offer me any Espadas, Danish Greatswords or offer me less than what I've already posted on the Marketplace. Blame the Invisible Hand, not me.
Thanks!
I'm looking to trade (or sell) away my Champion Courser.
Champion Courser
hit points: 115
body armor: 22
difficulty: 6
speed: 48
maneuver: 43
charge: 28
Items I'd like to receive in return: Two Handed Sword, Longsword, Heavy Bastard Sword, Sword of War or Great Sword.
Up for 1.4m on the Marketplace.
I'll entertain any interesting offers. I'll probably throw some money on top if you can offer me a MW throwing weapon, heavy throwing axe or up.
Please do not offer me any Espadas, Danish Greatswords or offer me less than what I've already posted on the Marketplace. Blame the Invisible Hand, not me.
Thanks!
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Sell/Trade / [Trade] +3 Steel Pick
« on: November 07, 2011, 03:09:17 am »
Hey there, I'm looking to trade away my Deadly Steel Pick.
Deadly Steel Pick
weapon length: 64
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 64
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 35 pierce
slots: 1
Edit: Getting Specific
I'd accept all kinds of +3 horses, bows, arrows, and other one handers. But, I'm flexible. Make me some offers.
Deadly Steel Pick
weapon length: 64
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 64
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 35 pierce
slots: 1
Edit: Getting Specific
I'd accept all kinds of +3 horses, bows, arrows, and other one handers. But, I'm flexible. Make me some offers.
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Buy / [WTB] MW One Hander
« on: October 30, 2011, 02:54:17 am »
Looking to pick up a MW One Hander for a reasonable price.
PM me a price and we'll see if we can work something out.
PM me a price and we'll see if we can work something out.
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Beginner's Help and Guides / Throwing Build
« on: October 28, 2011, 01:57:03 am »
Thinking of going throwing next gen. I'm still not sure how to distribute my wpf. How does this build look?
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 63
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 6
Power Throw: 6
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 104
Throwing: 130
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 63
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 6
Power Throw: 6
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 104
Throwing: 130
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Beginner's Help and Guides / HA/1h wpf
« on: July 12, 2011, 04:18:49 am »
Hey, so I'm usually a turtle or 1h cav. This gen I'm going with a HA/1h build (which I'm having so much fun with I might stay with it). My question is; if running off a 18/18 build, how much wpf should I put into 1h to be most effective?
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