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Title: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Pandor_Archer on March 13, 2016, 04:37:15 pm
Yesterday i was going to write another comment in thread "ban reason?", and suddenly i heard thunder in the sky! A huge lighting bolt strikes me, i fell down unconscious...

When i finally woke up, i found myself on a big white cloud and old man with white beard was sitting infront of me.

Old man with white beard: Pandor, my son.(at first i was wondering why he call me my son, he doesnt look like my father)

Pandor:who are you? and why u saying that im your son?(deep down i started realize who sits infront of me)

Old man with white beard: All humans are my sons and daughters... Exept gingers, they dont have a soul...(everything become clear, the god spoke to me!)

Pandor: where am i? is it heaven?

God: no it is not your time, yet.

Pandor: then what am i doing here?

God: you wallowed in sins, and i whant to lead you on a righteous way, before its too late.

Pandor: but what am i doing wrong? I never insult people, never hurt anyone...

God: you did worse! you modified your cRPG client to feel your self comfortable when shooting,
and more you allow other people feel themself comfortable when they playing archers.

Pandor: but...u cant be serious...

God: oh, my son i am serious, there is no worse sin than this.

Pandor: but its just ridiculo...(god interupts me)

God: you need to repent. I will show u how your sin affects on the world around you.

God touched Pandors head and thats what he saw:

As everyone start using green arrows their eyesight ceased to deteriorate. And the consequence was terrible.
Abandoned eyeglass shops all over the towns, ruins of the lens factories was everywhere, billions of peoples lost their jobs, and they could not feed their familys.
The world was plunged into chaos, global starwation took half of existing population, 1/3 died from sickness because there only few doctors survived.

Sudenlly i woke up. I realized that what i did is wrong and how many suffering my action entailed, and then I repented. https://youtu.be/93PVnORR7X8

   
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Xesta on March 13, 2016, 04:52:31 pm
"Green Arrows"
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: vipere on March 13, 2016, 04:53:03 pm
is it the muslim god or christian god ?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 13, 2016, 04:56:18 pm
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I would lie if i said this post didn't make me laugh.  :D

But in my opinion, you kinda missed the point of why there is a ban.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 13, 2016, 05:00:25 pm
Je Suis Pandor  :wink:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Torben on March 13, 2016, 05:01:25 pm
Je Suis Pandor  :wink:

stop lying you are clearly a panda
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: SirHobo on March 13, 2016, 05:02:19 pm
all uif have green arrows ban them all !!! also we all have autoblocks and autolegs  :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Guray on March 13, 2016, 05:06:31 pm
Je Suis Pandor  :wink:
I zoomed in and found the terrible truth!
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 13, 2016, 05:27:20 pm
Yesterday i was going to write another comment in thread "ban reason?", and suddenly i heard thunder in the sky! A huge lighting bolt strikes me, i fell down unconscious...

When i finally woke up, i found myself on a big white cloud and old man with white beard was sitting infront of me.

Old man with white beard: Pandor, my son.(at first i was wondering why he call me my son, he doesnt look like my father)

Pandor:who are you? and why u saying that im your son?(deep down i started realize who sits infront of me)

Old man with white beard: All humans are my sons and daughters... Exept gingers, they dont have a soul...(everything become clear, the god spoke to me!)

Pandor: where am i? is it heaven?

God: no it is not your time, yet.

Pandor: then what am i doing here?

God: you wallowed in sins, and i whant to lead you on a righteous way, before its too late.

Pandor: but what am i doing wrong? I never insult people, never hurt anyone...

God: you did worse! you modified your cRPG client to feel your self comfortable when shooting,
and more you allow other people feel themself comfortable when they playing archers.

Pandor: but...u cant be serious...

God: oh, my son i am serious, there is no worse sin than this.

Pandor: but its just ridiculo...(god interupts me)

God: you need to repent. I will show u how your sin affects on the world around you.

God touched Pandors head and thats what he saw:

As everyone start using green arrows their eyesight ceased to deteriorate. And the consequence was terrible.
Abandoned eyeglass shops all over the towns, ruins of the lens factories was everywhere, billions of peoples lost their jobs, and they could not feed their familys.
The world was plunged into chaos, global starwation took half of existing population, 1/3 died from sickness because there only few doctors survived.

Sudenlly i woke up. I realized that what i did is wrong and how many suffering my action entailed, and then I repented. https://youtu.be/93PVnORR7X8

lemme just fix this for you:

God: you did worse! you modified your cRPG client to feel your self comfortable when shooting,
and more you allow other people feel themself comfortable when they playing archers.
give yourself a massive advantage in comparison to other archers, or in other words, cheated.



Either way, you cheated and got rightfully banned after you openly bragged about it, TWICE.
You fully deserve to be globally banned, you took the piss once too much and got what you deserved, enjoy your holiday.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Golem on March 13, 2016, 05:27:47 pm
goblin darts, green arrows whats next?  :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 13, 2016, 07:03:12 pm
I zoomed in and found the terrible truth!
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lies, propaganda, heresy. :)

Quote
stop lying you are clearly a panda

if in CRPG archers - bundle of stickss, then in bear world they are pandas.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 13, 2016, 07:51:01 pm
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 13, 2016, 08:08:27 pm
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Cassi you sexy bastard this is probably the best post of 2016 !

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on March 13, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
I support any player being unbanned that has made me laugh in an unban request or tale.

Please unban this man. He has given me significant personal enjoyment on this bleak morning. He deserves it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: matt2507 on March 13, 2016, 08:55:09 pm
https://youtu.be/93PVnORR7X8

https://youtu.be/VkPcCNy4uSY
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Turk_Otto_Knight on March 13, 2016, 09:14:51 pm
GG

Now you can start playing Mario :)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Zeus_ on March 13, 2016, 10:38:06 pm
Yesterday i was going to write another comment in thread "ban reason?", and suddenly i heard thunder in the sky! A huge lighting bolt strikes me, i fell down unconscious...

When i finally woke up, i found myself on a big white cloud and old man with white beard was sitting infront of me.

Old man with white beard: Pandor, my son.(at first i was wondering why he call me my son, he doesnt look like my father)

Pandor:who are you? and why u saying that im your son?(deep down i started realize who sits infront of me)

Old man with white beard: All humans are my sons and daughters... Exept gingers, they dont have a soul...(everything become clear, the god spoke to me!)

Pandor: where am i? is it heaven?

God: no it is not your time, yet.

Pandor: then what am i doing here?

God: you wallowed in sins, and i whant to lead you on a righteous way, before its too late.

Pandor: but what am i doing wrong? I never insult people, never hurt anyone...

God: you did worse! you modified your cRPG client to feel your self comfortable when shooting,
and more you allow other people feel themself comfortable when they playing archers.

Pandor: but...u cant be serious...

God: oh, my son i am serious, there is no worse sin than this.

Pandor: but its just ridiculo...(god interupts me)

God: you need to repent. I will show u how your sin affects on the world around you.

God touched Pandors head and thats what he saw:

As everyone start using green arrows their eyesight ceased to deteriorate. And the consequence was terrible.
Abandoned eyeglass shops all over the towns, ruins of the lens factories was everywhere, billions of peoples lost their jobs, and they could not feed their familys.
The world was plunged into chaos, global starwation took half of existing population, 1/3 died from sickness because there only few doctors survived.

Sudenlly i woke up. I realized that what i did is wrong and how many suffering my action entailed, and then I repented. https://youtu.be/93PVnORR7X8

shit, im sorry man, that bolt wasnt intended for you...
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Renay on March 13, 2016, 10:44:46 pm
Free Pandor!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 13, 2016, 10:46:32 pm
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ayy lmao, i would upvote twice if i could  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 13, 2016, 11:01:38 pm
Replace Acres with arrows
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 pm
Good impromptu post littered with sarcasm.

We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac and what it means to be American.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 13, 2016, 11:31:47 pm
Good impromptu post littered with sarcasm.

We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac.
pfft make it about the double double from In N Out.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Zeus_ on March 13, 2016, 11:35:33 pm
Good impromptu post littered with sarcasm.

We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac and what it means to be American.

make it about the McRib and how many weeks it takes for the diarrhea to go away.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Renay on March 14, 2016, 12:34:10 am
Good impromptu post littered with sarcasm.

We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac and what it means to be American.

Obviously Triple Baconator, what kind of american are you?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 14, 2016, 12:39:07 am
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 14, 2016, 12:46:34 am
Good impromptu post littered with sarcasm.

We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac and what it means to be American.

i'm afraid story about BigMac u won't like.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 14, 2016, 01:25:10 am
i'm afraid story about BigMac u won't like.

That is kind of the point; His long winded post filled with sarcasm holds the same level of value as if he were to write about the history of the Big mac and what it means to be American.

Obviously Triple Baconator, what kind of american are you?

I don't eat fast food so your questioning Jona's understanding of American fast food culture.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jona on March 14, 2016, 01:29:00 am
That is kind of the point; His long winded post filled with sarcasm holds the same level of value as if he were to write about the history of the Big mac and what it means to be American.

I don't eat fast food so your questioning Jona's understanding of American fast food culture.

Whoa now, if you're gonna go laying the blame on me for not knowing fast food culture, then at least give me those few upvotes you stole!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 14, 2016, 05:06:44 am
Whoa now, if you're gonna go laying the blame on me for not knowing fast food culture, then at least give me those few upvotes you stole!

by all means take them.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Mr_Sativa on March 14, 2016, 10:14:36 am
Good to see the admins do take actions against cheating. Really good.

On another note, Pandor is a nice player aside from his cheating - unban him in due time.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Renay on March 14, 2016, 01:06:19 pm
Proper 500 word unban essay on why we should not modify our game data to have an advantage would we appropiate.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: DKNhz on March 14, 2016, 03:07:04 pm
Proper 500 word unban essay on why we should not modify our game data to have an advantage would we appropiate.

Y, no chance to detect it again anyway. Just lie right to our faces and we'll pretend to believe. Then you can keep using your laser beams.

You guys are fucking unbelievable.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 14, 2016, 05:30:02 pm
YES. Finally. Somebody gets it.

The ban needs to stay permanent, sorry if it's harsh but he was given many chances not to brag about it and he made a choice to, that's his problem. If he gets unbanned all that happens is that he will quite simply re-install the cheat and carry on using it, in situations like these, the ONLY safe option is to keep him banned, there is no in between.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 14, 2016, 09:20:37 pm
Just a quick correction, he WAS given chances by Uther and Night, who told him not to post on the forums and brag about it if he's going to use it, then he did it again, this time posting a link to download it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 14, 2016, 10:02:41 pm
Keep him banned, he can play mercenaries with his green arrows.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: BlueKnight on March 15, 2016, 12:19:58 pm
You are all cruel and revengeful. If he says he won't use the green arrows we should let him play #SecondChances

I know he may lie but then it makes him a horrible person and it's enough of a punishment itself.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 15, 2016, 12:23:41 pm
That has been the problem all the time with cRPG. Too many chances given.  8-)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 15, 2016, 12:41:05 pm
Here's my thought.

http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/mods-compatible-with-crpg-%28updated-sticky%29/
Louder Horses (for More Metal Sounds)
Heavy Hooves (for native sounds, not for More Metal)
Horses are louder and more hearable. A must-have for any archer twat

69+ Upvotes, admins loving it. No issue's at all. Not a word about some of these mods giving ingame advantages or pointing out where to download these things..
But now that Pandor has actually showed these sort of stuff is being used, and throws it into your faces... now all this sudden you realise and get an opinion.
I call it narrowminded hypocrisy. Where was your so called "common sense" then?

It is realy sickening to see the admins and others circle jerking, repeating the same "Common Sense" thing over and over, adding no new dialog to the discussion. realy, its like some loud mouthed protesters repeating the same thing over and over, makes it so the opposite voice cannot be heard... its realy uneducated, populistic and contagious.
Also recognizing Pandor to be Russian... and making some american burger or wtf joke, also adds nothing to the discussion other then dumb humor and hints of bigotry.

Common sense is very subjective, as it is interpreted diffrently all over the world, and relies on past experiences... and everyone experiences things diffrently.
In this Pandor case in my opinion the "common sense" term is abused to push forward personal bias. And makes the common sense rule crpg a playfield for bias.
Its common sense to lock your door when you leave. For a thief its common sense to justify stealing from dumb people forgetting to lock there doors. You see how you can play with common sense easly to push your own bias?

All in all. We should look further then Green arrows and Pandor, and come to realise that this is not about these two things at all.
But its all about bias, bigotry, hypocrisy, short sightedness and overall failing of the CRPG community and the admin team as a whole. And Pandor was pointed out to take the fall for it... cause again, its easier to not look at your own short comings and blame others for it.

“Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it.”
― René Descartes
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 15, 2016, 01:00:59 pm
@Jambi
so true, its allowed to download from official subsite crosshair with 3 dots, there was some big topic how to change night into day and if im not mistaken some morron in past uploaded neon weapons on forum also but noone baned him(i will not give u link but still is on forum). So in 2016 all those fucking brain damaged ,zero skill forum warriors are talking about crossing MORAL LINES in crpg and plz tell me , where is that line when u can shoot with modded crosshair with better pony sound on Daylight map is ok in moral way ? its the fucking admins fault that u never show the SOLID LINE what is cheat in this game(changing night ok, changing cav sound ok, changing crosshair ok, changing flora into jungle ok,changing Ui ok, changing blood ok but cucuber arrows not ok and being Russian Pindor not ok)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 15, 2016, 01:05:48 pm
That or your own personal interpretation of 'common sense' is fucked up. Do you believe that changing the textures of all arrows as an archer to make aiming and all things to do with your class easier is in any way comparable to making horses louder? With the tild key already and horses already making a noise coming up behind you anyway i dont see how this would benefit your gameplay.

Just about everyone thought these textures were crossing a line from the video. But admins left it.

Admins also let it go when Pandor insisted on creating multiple threads and posts to remind people that he's using these textures nobody approves of.

They decided to do something about it when Pandor posted a link for others to easily get these textures.

Jambi, you're retarded if you think the thread you linked has anything to do with this. If your own 'common sense' is different from everyone else's it's not 'common' sense then is it?

You're not talking about common sense, you're talking about opinions. They are two diffrent things.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 15, 2016, 01:07:27 pm
Well of course you would defend him Jambi, since you yourself used rainbow arrows  :wink: :oops:

Keep him banned, anything else is just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 15, 2016, 01:12:29 pm
Well of course you would defend him Jambi, since you yourself used rainbow arrows  :wink: :oops:

Keep him banned, anything else is just wishful thinking.

Haha ic what you did there, naughty Umbra :P
No, read my post again. I'm not defending Pandor, i'm argueing the bigger picture. Pandor acted as a the wickerman in all his.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 15, 2016, 01:15:13 pm
Well, they have to draw the line somewhere. It just happens that peoples opinions will differ on where this line should be drawn. Ultimately, its their game, and their decision.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 15, 2016, 01:20:14 pm
sure i agree with u, hax is hax and it should be a ban but what is pissing me most is admins showing the MORAL LINE in .......2016 :|
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 15, 2016, 01:20:50 pm
Well, they have to draw the line somewhere. It just happens that peoples opinions will differ on where this line should be drawn. Ultimately, its their game, and their decision.
Pandor acted as a self-aware idiot that continued to prod admins despite hearing the general consensus.

There's no way you can look at all these threads and all these posts since Pandor's first video and go 'WOAH! Where the fuck did this come from?!?!?' He knew people were pissed off and he knew admins were debating whether to take action or not, if he didnt want to be banned he wouldnt have kept pushing.

Very true, and i urged admins to do this years ago.. but without response.
The issue here is, is that people are abusing the common sense rule to justify whatever bias opinion they have, to disregard any counter arguement easly. While it would have been more justice, if the player agreement would be more solid, and not have rules that can be unexpected interpreted diffrently on the fly.. when a situation calls for it. Hence reason why i used the term "populistic" in this situation.


sure i agree with u, hax is hax and it should be a ban but what is pissing me most is admins showing the MORAL LINE in .......2016 :|
Spot on! But argueable not all admins share the same moral line, even in the green arrow situation.

Jambi, you're retarded if you think the thread you linked has anything to do with this.
http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/mods-compatible-with-crpg-%28updated-sticky%29/
Heavy Hooves (for native sounds, not for More Metal)
Horses are louder and more hearable. A must-have for any archer twat


I wish i had louder horse steps. It would give me a drastic advantage and improvement in my gameplay and will most likely put cav in a disadvantage against me, since i still occasionally get lanced in the back by horsemen i didnt hear them clear enough thru all the other gamesounds IE.

It has all similar elements that were brought up with the green arrow issue. Yet there was no outcry.. so admins sat idle.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 15, 2016, 02:31:18 pm
And you'd get the same 'advantage' by turning up your ingame volume.

Like i said in my post, the cheating was a controversial issue but it was the way Pandor insisted on pushing and pushing that lead to the ban. The ban isnt unreasonable if you look at the sequence of events, not sure why you didnt include the context in which i said that old thread has nothing to do with the reason Pandor was banned. It was both the fact that he cheated (which was openly debated) and the way he behaved about it that made it impossible to ignore.

If you really really really want to kick up a storm and get a higher up dev to have a look at this you may not enjoy the result. Donkeys were brutal about autoblock and multiaccount.

Are you reading what im writing Heskey? If you turn up your general volume it would make all sounds louder, and other sounds would still overlap horsesteps... The mod is designed to make horsehooves stand out from all the other sounds.

Yes yes, you're repeating the same thing you said earlier. I heard you the first time, and adressed it several times, but we simply dont agree on the issue. Lets move the discussion forward shall we?

A  Dev looking at the situation? sure, i dont mind. I think you're under the impression that im picking a side, buts that not what i'm conveying at all. I gave my thoughts about the situation as i see it. I never said anything about Pandor being wrong or right. Or that modding is wrong or right. Im simply pointing out the controversy and shortcomings in all this.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 15, 2016, 03:37:40 pm
Sounds like you're picking a side. Either that banning Pandor was wrong, or that other submods should be banned which IMO is the only way to guarantee this shit doesnt happen.

No thats not what i meant. You're isolating those two sentences you quoted, from the initial paragraph to give it a diffrent meaning.

The fact there can even be any form of debate on a smug 'I did nothing wrong' thread by Pandor after being banned, is ridiculous. I'm confident no admins would do this, but i'm just posting here to guard against the possiblity of an admin pandering to randomly swaying public opinion over a funny OP that simultaneously promises that no lessons have been learned by the offender.
If you insist on talking about Pandor, ill give my opinion on him.

People that were banned using autoblocks got unbanned by writing funny regret essays. Cant blame Pandor for trying as well.

Maybe it was a bit silly from Pandor to hype his mod usage. But you got to give him credit for one thing.... at least he was honest and open about it, and wasnt trying to present himself as someone he isnt. He knew what he was doing, and didnt try to hide it to avoid taking responsibility for it. Opposite from many autoblock users, keeping it secret and boasting about their "skills" only to be discredited and sorry when they get caught.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 15, 2016, 09:57:49 pm
hm i'm with jambi on this.
How many ppl replaced CRPG arrows with native arrows and openly wrote about it on forum, this is also wrong then. + Other modifications
In perfect world it should all be forbidden then. And ppl who post them on forum all should be banned or none of them banned.

Pandor done it in a shitty way on forum, but its not fair to ban just him because he is trollish.

Is there a rule about this? only auto blocks and aimbots mentioned. Create a proper rule set for this kind of situations and act upon them.

Admins could take stance on other addons but they didn't. To me this looks like a trial with judge without laws. "This addon is ok, but pandors is evil"
If as admin said its a grey area, why didn't u demand from Pandor to remove them and forbid all the modifications that improve ur gameplay?

If ppl knew for example thats its forbidden - it would help to avoid such situations. Even better make launcher check all files before running the game.
It looks like personal preference of admins to ban him. Because it has nothing to do with rules and no one else got punished for it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 15, 2016, 10:00:34 pm
Of course the other green-arrows using Russian's gonna side with Pandor.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 15, 2016, 11:15:44 pm
edit: nvm, missed a post, sowy  >_>
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 15, 2016, 11:46:23 pm
Of course the other green-arrows using Russian's gonna side with Pandor.

bullshit
I'm 100% up for crpg check to remove all modified files before every login.
And screw the "oh how about loomed items pack?" or whatever its called. Either add it in game officially or fuck it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 16, 2016, 05:50:59 am
That's what you're saying, but uh, yeah, gonna have to need way more than your word for it
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Guray on March 16, 2016, 05:58:20 am
That's what you're saying, but uh, yeah, gonna have to need way more than your word for it
That's what you're saying. Why is he being portrayed as using green arrows ? However uh, yeah, gonna have to need way more than your word for it
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 16, 2016, 06:13:58 am
He's Russian, he cheats by default.

Or at least its safe to assume so.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Guray on March 16, 2016, 06:15:13 am
He's Russian, he cheats by default.

Or at least its same to assume so.


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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 16, 2016, 06:17:54 am
He's Russian, he cheats by default.

Or at least its same to assume so.
so if ur from Na(b) that mean's all Na players are bad by default? i don't think so, iv met tons of good Na players so your logic is bad same bad as u in this game :lol: Jesus those fucking forum warriors top kek  :twisted:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 16, 2016, 06:19:25 am
What are you saying?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 16, 2016, 06:23:53 am
Jesus those fucking forum warriors, so if some1 is for Russia like Witch,Porthos or other none range players they are all cheaters?(it's yours logic) what a fucking no brain piece of talent.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 16, 2016, 06:24:45 am
I never said I am good, just that Russians are cheaters  :?:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 16, 2016, 06:28:57 am
I never said I am good, just that Russians are cheaters  :?:
and your argument is valid because why? u fucking know something about this game or ur just another *barking* forum hero?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 16, 2016, 06:33:50 am
I am no forum hero. I am just Bobthehero. You're a very strange person.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 16, 2016, 06:38:33 am

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 16, 2016, 01:18:53 pm
DRZ stack

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 16, 2016, 03:17:35 pm
He's Russian, he cheats by default.

Or at least its safe to assume so.

that logic!!!! hahahah
thanks, showed it to all my friends.
Then following ur logic, every black is criminal, every muslim terrorist, every catholic pedophile. Am i safe to assume you are stupid?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Rebelyell on March 16, 2016, 03:45:33 pm
that logic!!!! hahahah
thanks, showed it to all my friends.
Then following ur logic, every black is criminal, every muslim terrorist, every catholic pedophile. Am i safe to assume you are stupid?
wut?
there is stereotype like that?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 16, 2016, 03:48:39 pm
Well, there is something to that stereotype. 90% of Russians I encountered in online gaming are complete and utter idiots. Like, totaly retarded mongoloid trash, scurge of online gaming.

Cyka bljat )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Paul on March 16, 2016, 04:02:47 pm
so if ur from Na(b) that mean's all Na players are bad by default?

it is known. the eu-na skill rift had been a thorn in balancing for years.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 16, 2016, 05:06:23 pm
Pandor, you maybe think: "I gave everyone cheats and they ban me, how that  :lol:
What do I do now?"

Look here: free standalone game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOkgUU9W5MU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aenq3RSmlS4
In russian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHFTc5aF78

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 16, 2016, 06:09:07 pm
Well, there is something to that stereotype. 90% of Russians I encountered in online gaming are complete and utter idiots. Like, totaly retarded mongoloid trash, scurge of online gaming.

Cyka bljat )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

or maybe u just radical nationalist, and project ur fantasies on games
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 16, 2016, 06:19:01 pm
or maybe u just radical nationalist, and project ur fantasies on games

I am nowhere near nationalistic (don't see how that relates anyway) and I have the same exact perception, russians I really like are far and few between (there are some kickass ones) and my interactions with them irl and online have been far worse than any other nationality/race/religion.

Maybe you're the radical nationalist and can't comprehend how could anyone possibly have this attitude towards mother russia and her "awesome" people.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 16, 2016, 06:29:08 pm
it is known. the eu-na skill rift had been a thorn in balancing for years.

I'm going to visit Europe within this year. Duel me ft7, winner gets a flaming katana for life.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: sF_Guardian on March 16, 2016, 06:33:14 pm
I'm going to visit Europe within this year. Duel me ft7, winner gets a flaming katana for life.

Come to Cologne and fite me. Ft 7, shovel or pickaxe, you may choose :D

For jousting I could offer wheel loaders.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 16, 2016, 06:37:49 pm
or maybe u just radical nationalist, and project ur fantasies on games
being radical nationalist is one thing (good or bad i will not judge this) and being dumb fuck who can't think is other funny thing.
After spending something like 16 years of working, playing over the internet, iv learned that there is no nation,race, religion,sex there are just ppl and those ppl are just normal or dumb fucks and those dumb fucks are dumb no matter of religion, nation, sex so for me it will be always first and last criteria how to judge ppl in internet Polak,Russian,Suomi,Muslim,Greek,Turk, black or white, tall or small doesn't matter dumb fuck or normal person. :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 16, 2016, 08:41:36 pm
being radical nationalist is one thing (good or bad i will not judge this) and being dumb fuck who can't think is other funny thing.
After spending something like 16 years of working, playing over the internet, iv learned that there is no nation,race, religion,sex there are just ppl and those ppl are just normal or dumb fucks and those dumb fucks are dumb no matter of religion, nation, sex so for me it will be always first and last criteria how to judge ppl in internet Polak,Russian,Suomi,Muslim,Greek,Turk, black or white, tall or small doesn't matter dumb fuck or normal person. :D

thats because u smart :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 16, 2016, 08:47:26 pm
I am nowhere near nationalistic (don't see how that relates anyway) and I have the same exact perception, russians I really like are far and few between (there are some kickass ones) and my interactions with them irl and online have been far worse than any other nationality/race/religion.

Maybe you're the radical nationalist and can't comprehend how could anyone possibly have this attitude towards mother russia and her "awesome" people.

 I can't be radical nationalist because i don't judge all nations by individual encounters. + i'm not russian, same as half of druzhina.
Only fools refer to whole nations like u do. I know retards from all nations :)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on March 17, 2016, 08:03:08 am
every black is criminal, every muslim terrorist, every catholic pedophile.

HE KNOWS TOO MUCH

QUICKLY, SEND DRONE AIRSTRIKE TO HIS HOUSE ISIS BASE
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 17, 2016, 10:27:47 am
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 17, 2016, 10:43:22 am
I can't be radical nationalist because i don't judge all nations by individual encounters. + i'm not russian, same as half of druzhina.
Only fools refer to whole nations like u do. I know retards from all nations :)

If you actually read my post you would see I describe my experiences with russians over a number of games as well as real life, but ok I'm a nationalist  :shock:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Templar_Steevee on March 17, 2016, 11:11:25 am
what a nice dramma again :D

Pandors biggest mistake was to make a video with green arrows, making a video of only one copy of that zip deleted form his pc isn't enough for most of ppl.

About modding game:
doing a native arrows is something that we know for ages, and those kind of projectiles are in basic release of this game made by producers of this game and it should be allowed.

Iron hooves or however its called makes geame more realistic (never used that, get accastume to move like paranoic while playing c-rpg), because horses are just too quiet, in real life u can hear a horse running from a long distance AND feel ground shaking.

Coloring items, in colors that are different than natural to kind of material is clearly a cheating.

I agree with Nebun that devs should make a clear rules with defined exeptions what can't u do. If something is not prohibited it's allowed.

Ppl raging about DRZ archers should finnaly understand that even with totally not modded client DRZ archer are in top of best c-rpg, and they are killing you because they are just doing what they are good in, and in strat battles there are not enought good ranged in other team to counter them, or even to have a "fair" 1:1 pewpew.

As for me, Pandor should have a second chance, like many other persons in this game, if he won't use that then permaban.

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 17, 2016, 01:33:23 pm
what a nice dramma again :D

Pandors biggest mistake was to make a video with green arrows, making a video of only one copy of that zip deleted form his pc isn't enough for most of ppl.

About modding game:
doing a native arrows is something that we know for ages, and those kind of projectiles are in basic release of this game made by producers of this game and it should be allowed.

Iron hooves or however its called makes geame more realistic (never used that, get accastume to move like paranoic while playing c-rpg), because horses are just too quiet, in real life u can hear a horse running from a long distance AND feel ground shaking.

Coloring items, in colors that are different than natural to kind of material is clearly a cheating.

I agree with Nebun that devs should make a clear rules with defined exeptions what can't u do. If something is not prohibited it's allowed.

Ppl raging about DRZ archers should finnaly understand that even with totally not modded client DRZ archer are in top of best c-rpg, and they are killing you because they are just doing what they are good in, and in strat battles there are not enought good ranged in other team to counter them, or even to have a "fair" 1:1 pewpew.

As for me, Pandor should have a second chance, like many other persons in this game, if he won't use that then permaban.

Or because they've all modded their clients with green arrows and have practiced enough that it's so easy to kill anyone with a bow it's ridiculous, guarantee if all of them reset their clients they'd be shit at archery lmfao.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 17, 2016, 02:45:23 pm
Or because they've all modded their clients with green arrows and have practiced enough that it's so easy to kill anyone with a bow it's ridiculous, guarantee if all of them reset their clients they'd be shit at archery lmfao.

What a load of crap. I've played archer since 1st strategus. About 6 year now. I don't need to see where arrows fly anymore. Everything happens out of habit.
But its useful to see when someone shooting at u. But its enough to look at ur body or ground to see at what angle arrow hit.
Any good archer knows that.

Would be fun to see your face, when admins will make client check/auto update, and then the next day u will get headshoot the same as u always was.
 
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Danetti on March 17, 2016, 02:47:00 pm
Or because they've all modded their clients with green arrows and have practiced enough that it's so easy to kill anyone with a bow it's ridiculous, guarantee if all of them reset their clients they'd be shit at archery lmfao.

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 17, 2016, 06:25:24 pm
guess I missed something, whats wrong with blueknight?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: vipere on March 17, 2016, 06:53:18 pm
guess I missed something, whats wrong with blueknight?

i think it's polish drama, Blueknight said kurwa twice or sth like that.

you better not look into it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 17, 2016, 08:16:40 pm
He's Russian, he cheats by default.

Or at least its safe to assume so.

Nice one  :twisted:

One day, during first Strat, on this forum was created one thread too much. It was thread like this. Morons from our community forced us to be UIF, and others approvet it. Five or any number of years later we are where we are. We wish you good luck  :twisted:

That has been the problem all the time with cRPG. Too many chances given.  8-)

Haha, today it would be easier to play, right?  :P

Btw ask Palmos  :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 17, 2016, 08:39:39 pm
Sorry... what?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 17, 2016, 09:43:26 pm
Shameful aint it

training failed :(
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 17, 2016, 10:59:12 pm
Or because they've all modded their clients with green arrows and have practiced enough that it's so easy to kill anyone with a bow it's ridiculous, guarantee if all of them reset their clients they'd be shit at archery lmfao.

Sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and this shows how terribly everyone in this thread is missing the point of WHY was Pandor banned;

He wasn't banned specificaly for using green arrow textures, because, as many have pointed out - using them, and other "submods" that affect the gameplay is rampant and common since YEARS.
However, never before did we had a user so blatant in what he was doing that he would post proof of it to the forums, brag about it, not admit that it was what it was - a cheat, and later even shared the files for others to use.

I repeat and underline - the top thing was sharing the cheat and blatant disregard for admin warnings.

There isn't much that admins can do in this situation.

File checking for launcher was discussed but is highly unlikely to happen, because at the time it was proposed, many people used mods like the Scary Mod for very weak computers, heriloom mod for dope looking looms and so forth, so it was dropped - texture cheaters were a small price to pay in exchange for letting people adjust their gaming experience to their needs and likes. Nowadays, devs are busy and launcher needs to be fixed first, before we even consider ADDING anything to it, so ultimately the chance for it being added is very low.

Regarding why was only Pandor banned and not other people, macro abusers, bush-removers and others, it's simple - we just have no way of checking that without file check in the launcher, and as I said, it's unlikely to happen. Pandor was a special case. We cannot allow the rule disregard to go this far, because it turns into a Broken Windows theory but in a game setting - where someone breaks a rule and no one reacts, people will VERY QUICKLY start breaking the rules themselves, since "Why not, they aren't doing anything to stop us?" and other players may just as well leave - "Why bother staying and playing if other players can mod their textures to see my weapon glow, have transparent buildings and rainbow arrows and all the other crap? That just makes me play at a disadvantage"

"But there is no rule against messing with texture, what are you talking about?"

That's another thing, also very important - everyone and their mother commented that there isn't a specific rule regarding changing textures to benefit from it in the game.
Let me remind you that "common sense" IS A RULE, and can be used as basis of admin decisions. It is common sense that you wouldn't share a cheat on the forums after being criticised for using it.

The idea of the game is to provide equal footing for everyone, so that given practice and time, they can be on par with other players. Using changes like glowing items, no bushes, always sunny weather and transparent buildings removes that equality and profits some players, while putting others at a disadvantage. At least to me, this is a core principle in vidya games - having same chances as the other guy - "Sure, I may suck now, BUUUUT if I put enough time and effort I will improve and be a nuisance for him, at least!" - and if we don't have even that, what's the point of playing? If no matter how you improve you'll remain subpar to him because of his unfair advantage, it removes the purpouse of practicing.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 17, 2016, 11:10:28 pm
Not sure why you're making me out to be the ignorant party Uther, I've said the exact same thing in multiple threads, Pandor WAS banned for being so open about his cheat, even going far enough to post a bloody download link to it.

If Pandor has it, it's more than reasonable to assume that many more of DRZ have the EXACT same thing, so I don't think you have much of a right to say I've got no idea what I'm talking about when you're probably very similar. We will NEVER know who has the green arrow cheat unless people are as stupid as Pandor was, that's the bottom line of it, the most we can do is make assumptions based off of what we have, and from my experience in Administration, the sheep follows the flock.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 17, 2016, 11:31:37 pm
Not sure why you're making me out to be the ignorant party Uther, I've said the exact same thing in multiple threads, Pandor WAS banned for being so open about his cheat, even going far enough to post a bloody download link to it.

If Pandor has it, it's more than reasonable to assume that many more of DRZ have the EXACT same thing, so I don't think you have much of a right to say I've got no idea what I'm talking about when you're probably very similar. We will NEVER know who has the green arrow cheat unless people are as stupid as Pandor was, that's the bottom line of it, the most we can do is make assumptions based off of what we have, and from my experience in Administration, the sheep follows the flock.

I pointed to you in regards to calling DRZ archers shitty, hate them or love them but they are good in what they do, cucumber arrows or not)) And whether they use cheats or not is of little care for me without some system in place to control that)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Rico on March 17, 2016, 11:33:58 pm
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 17, 2016, 11:37:55 pm
Trained by Nord BlueKnight  =  100 % Darwin award for his adept or what?

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 18, 2016, 12:08:27 am
I pointed to you in regards to calling DRZ archers shitty, hate them or love them but they are good in what they do, cucumber arrows or not)) And whether they use cheats or not is of little care for me without some system in place to control that)

So common sense means nothing to you, do you really need an iron fist to rule over you just to make you act half decent?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 18, 2016, 12:09:24 am
We could use Fuma's insight on the matter.

Let's try to summon him:

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 18, 2016, 12:30:14 am
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 18, 2016, 12:53:13 am
So common sense means nothing to you, do you really need an iron fist to rule over you just to make you act half decent?
Let me rephrase - I can't affect it, so I won't shoot blindly at people i think are cheating without any proof. Care wasn't the clearest word to use.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 18, 2016, 01:56:01 am
Let me rephrase - I can't affect it, so I won't shoot blindly at people i think are cheating without any proof. Care wasn't the clearest word to use.

I actually wanted to quote someone else, and the iron fist was meant for CIS players, I know you can't ban people because you suspect something.

I bet all drz archers have the same shit green arrows, no fog no bushes common sense yeah right they pull the same crap in every online gaming community.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 01:59:24 am
Let me rephrase - I can't affect it, so I won't shoot blindly at people i think are cheating without any proof. Care wasn't the clearest word to use.

I see.
Well if that's the case.... that Merc video is still up on the forums, proofing the rainbow arrows texture usage of several of their members. Go ahead Shoot!
Cheats and Proof. case closed

Whats holding you back?
How much respect i have for you Uthred on what you did for CRPG. I'd have to call bullshit on this one.

And where were the admins and moderators to moderate and enforce the rules on players/admins, about bigotry, discriminatory speech, hate speech etc on Russians?
Pandor wasnt only treated as player that cheated,  but as "another scumbag" Russian and cheater, some admins and players did not hold off, to point his russian heritage as well, and make him even more so wide open for slander, abuse and generalization.. and grab other random russian players into the heat as well, to take a huge shit on them... without any reprecussion.
No matter how you look it it, the upvotes, populistic bias was clear and played its role. And gave a very clear picture of how deep the admins and moderators sunk and how they allowed the community to become as cancerous as its ever been, by the so called "Common Bias Sense" rule and circle jerking attitude.

No matter how many paragraphs are written on Pandor his ban and reasons why. By this complete circus that was created around it, the fail got real. And there is no way to talk all this right.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 18, 2016, 03:25:32 am
so pandor got banned for attitude, even tho he didn't insult anyone?
pandor is a troll, i argued with him many times, sometimes i want to punch him :D But i think red line should be drawn before something like this happens and not after. U basically banned him and then said how horrible it is. Some commented on how its disapproved, but nobody said its forbidden, because even admins didn't know how to deal with this situation. But i see little difference in someone using native arrows and someone using green arrows. If one is advantage then another is advantage too. If someone would kill 5 ppl in real life and another kills 10 ppl in real life for the same reasons - they both murderers then.
I don't urge u to ban ppl for native arrows because i see nothing wrong with that, but pandor shouldn't get banned too. Or at list make a rule - its ok to use native arrows but we'll fuck u up for flying coloured dicks. If u think that green arrows give u advantage then native also do that. I played native few nights when we had no one on servers, was way too easy u can see all arrows.

Pandor is big retard at times but should be unbanned. He leveled his archer for years to be banned for something uncertain, something as one of admins called - grey area. Make a rule and if he breaks it he should get punishment.

And all people who play on our side, and its not just greys anymore but also eques, some mercs etc know one thing very well: When we join strat battle and there is a fog, we all asking if anyone who joined later or sooner had a fog and if there is one for those who joined sooner, all out team rejoining server!!! I think everyone does that.

Someone shared natives and other mods on forum, pandor shared his. Stupid - yes, bannable - no.
I've read that hourse sounds made louder in mod then other sounds because it makes them more realistic, maybe true, but it still gives advantage over other players.
Never even heared of that thing with horses, pandor too - he just asked me where he can download and that he always wanted it :)))

He already punished by not playing for some days now, without anyone writing to him what he has to do to get unbanned. So i guess his ban can go on for months until u work out.
I dragged him in this strat because he didn't want to play at all, told him country need him (tho i didn't tell him that country was Estonia), and then he got exited in crpg again and played there too almost every day. And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works, since mercs invented coloured shit, since a lot of players use native arrows, since ppl remove night from their game and mod the shit out of their CRPG and don't get banned. He thought it was perfectly normal since a lot of players mod shit and post it on forum. He trolled a bit but never expected to get banned for this.

Sorry but ur common sense sucks + double standards + personal preferences.

+ don't troll blueknight since he is a very good and respected guy!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Rico on March 18, 2016, 03:49:51 am

And where were the admins and moderators to moderate and enforce the rules on players/admins, about bigotry, discriminatory speech, hate speech etc on Russians?

I love Russians
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 18, 2016, 04:06:03 am
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works

This is pure fucking gold, going straight to my sig.

Also nice sob story, I have a suggestion for you, how about you make you own RU server and shit green arrows and flying dicks there all day every day.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 04:10:51 am
I love Russians

Then that begs the question,  If you were away when the whole circus was going on, and now here to make a post comment about it? Or were you there and simply sat idle as well, not giving a hoot.
Letting the people you love get shit on, while you have interwebs power and ruleset to stop it.

This is pure fucking gold, going straight to my sig.

Also nice sob story, I have a suggestion for you, how about you make you own RU server and shit green arrows and flying dicks there all day every day.

Yeah! lets do that. Complete the failure by seperating the community, proving they cant keep the it together, and complete the bigotry! I see many upvotes and licking of heels in your future  :P
And have even more empty servers.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Heibai on March 18, 2016, 04:12:51 am
+ don't troll blueknight since he is a very good and respected guy!

He is probably the polish crpg player with the lowest score on the Kurwa-O-Meter.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Rico on March 18, 2016, 04:22:10 am
Then that begs the question,  If you were away when the whole circus was going on, and now here to make a post comment about it? Or were you there and simply sat idle as well, not giving a hoot.
Probably the latter, since I refuse to believe Russians are discriminated more than Green Hippy Multi-Culti Leftist Germans, Car Thief Polish, Kebab Turkish, Money Stealer Greek, Raping Arabs, Scandinavian Cucks, Muricunts, Stronk Serbians, Gay French, Ugly Spics, Familia Italians, Moose Receptor Canadians, Druglord Latinos, Indian Curry Poopers, Japanese Apes, UK Douchebags, Chinese Tourists (this one is a legit insult), Korean Whores or all the others this post doesn't offend.

Pandor wasn't banned for being Russian, and if you're referring to any unrelated anti-Russian hate speech, it didn't stick out enough to catch my attention.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 04:26:21 am
Probably the latter, since I refuse to believe Russians are discriminated more than Green Hippy Multi-Culti Leftist Germans, Car Thief Polish, Kebab Turkish, Money Stealer Greek, Raping Arabs, Scandinavian Cucks, Muricunts, Stronk Serbians, Gay French, Ugly Spics, Familia Italians, Moose Receptor Canadians, Druglord Latinos, Indian Curry Poopers, Japanese Apes, UK Douchebags, Chinese Tourists (this one is a legit insult), Korean Whores or all the others this post doesn't offend.

Pandor wasn't banned for being Russian, and if you're referring to any unrelated anti-Russian hate speech, it didn't stick out enough to catch my attention.

Yeah.. just a couple of pages of it, and still going. No problem at all. I guess newcomers will read all this, and feel very welcome... as long as you as an admin arent offended, or until your bias is also triggered at some point.
There are rules about this all. but meh... those rules were written as a joke and only when you personally feel they should apply, right?

Only when there is an community outcry they stick out... so everything else is simply irrelevant.
Yeah the Russian thing was just brought up as an irrelevant secondary thing, within a thread that was initially about bans and hacks.
Who cares..

Its great to see, that you guys have a forum about gaming, and leave a platform for bigotry and racism.. as long as its not sticking out.

*sarcasm off*

But i love the fact, that you recognize that there is in fact discrimination even tho you think it doesnt stick out enough, and fully aware choose not to act or dont care personally. But as an admin elected to enforce the rules simply idle or skip over it, since on a  personal level have different idea of what #No racism, sexism, discriminatory speech, images or similar.. means. And ontop of that dont even care to take a look, if you missed any.. when people are complaining about it.
You've proven several of my points.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 18, 2016, 04:56:01 am
This is pure fucking gold, going straight to my sig.

Also nice sob story, I have a suggestion for you, how about you make you own RU server and shit green arrows and flying dicks there all day every day.

Interesting, we also have players in their 30s-40s, teachers, doctors and other serious calm ppl, who play few hrs in the evenings and strat battles to relax after work. Would be interesting to hear their thoughts on a "guy" who suggests for them to play on a separate server because he thinks that they are bad by default.
I will return a favor and suggest u to read books and expand ur understanding of life enough - so you could make up better/cleaner/deeper opinion of everyone individually, instead of judging whole nations/clans/races.

And since i'm not a very horrible cheater, russian hacks, syka blyati, vodka, balalayka, i will help u with possible replies:
- i know u all rotten, i've seen it, i've seen it!
- I didn't say anything about races - so the rest of it must be false too.
- (ignore the whole point and  say) Nice sob story.
(That way u don't even have to type it, because you can just copy paste it. Do u understand it? eh? eh? should i explain? should i explain? should i explain? )  :wink:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 18, 2016, 05:09:55 am
If I interpreted you shitpile of messy letters properly, you forgot the ''I can't understand what you're saying :?:'' answer.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 18, 2016, 05:39:09 am
http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-illuminati_/msg843711/#msg843711

dat forum heroes are shit in this game i know for a long time but the forum heroes failing even at their own playground it's even more funny :D
look at this topic and those responses

'If people want me banned for using textures that aren't against the rules they can make a ban thread, but don't try to steer away from the topic of this thread.'  top kek lol :mrgreen:
'Maybe check the rules first. :p

I agree the textures are pretty dumb, but they are totally legal and have always been around.'  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

'Message me if you do want them or to know about them please. I'd rather not stray away from the topic.'  buahahahahaaha top kek

and the fucking cherry on the cake Admin decision :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

'Illuminati's record is pretty clean so I am going to let this off with a warning. Please do not nudge reloading xbowmen. Also, I was on the server at the time and this could have been reported to me in I chat which would have immediately cleared this up. Locking thread, please direct any criticisms to http://forum.meleegaming.com/game-admin-feedback/(na)-phantasmal/ '

buahahahaahah top-notch admin decision :D

and seriously should i link to neon weapons, this link is active on forum and dat guy didn't even get a warning? :D  forum heroes army fail
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Varadin on March 18, 2016, 05:42:03 am
Hey lets ban ppl since there are way to many ppl who are playing this mod/game cuse hey coloured arrows are so rules breaking (which i see NOWHERE stated)...Jesus ppl unban him and end this drama totally not deserved ban.Maybe a warning and promisse he will not use that again but still i dont see where it says in the RULES that green (coloured native arrows) are bannable and foribbiden.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 18, 2016, 05:53:49 am
Hey lets ban ppl since there are way to many ppl who are playing this mod/game cuse hey coloured arrows are so rules breaking (which i see NOWHERE stated)...Jesus ppl unban him and end this drama totally not deserved ban.Maybe a warning and promisse he will not use that again but still i dont see where it says in the RULES that green (coloured native arrows) are bannable and foribbiden.
mate it has nothing to do with with banning or unbanning Pidnor's cucumber ass, it's bit bigger picture right here, it's about rules and forcing them and even more shitty thing like bigotry. (unban Pindor and if he will touch bow perma ban, let him play 2h,Pindor was 2Hero so no cucumber axes for him  :mrgreen: i think it's a fair punishment)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 18, 2016, 06:07:43 am
http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-illuminati_/msg843711/#msg843711

dat forum heroes are shit in this game i know for a long time but the forum heroes failing even at their own playground it's even more funny :D
look at this topic and those responses

'If people want me banned for using textures that aren't against the rules they can make a ban thread, but don't try to steer away from the topic of this thread.'  top kek lol :mrgreen:
'Maybe check the rules first. :p

Nah South, this guy is ok - he isn't russian.
Pindor must feel like gay in Saudi Arabia :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Rico on March 18, 2016, 06:25:17 am
it's still the internet, not a playground for fanatics who avoid all forms of negativity

one day, the world might become a better place. but i promise you, it won't start on the www
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 18, 2016, 06:30:49 am
it's still the internet, not a playground for fanatics who avoid all forms of negativity

one day, the world might become a better place. but i promise you, it won't start on the www
meh my friend,all in all world is a geat place :D but those brain damaged  ppl.... :wink:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 18, 2016, 09:51:22 am
Alot of you defending Pandor, with the argument about racism, please explain how its even the case.
I can see some racism going on in the thread and i hope that you use the report to moderator button as that is the reason its there.
This racism is coming from players, not admins, and you are right to be angry about it.

Pandors ban imo is fair.
Panos have been globally banned for far less, "shut up you ranged bundle of sticks" a sentence like that. (The forums auto correct removed the bad words and replaced them with "bundle of sticks")
You will not find a popular game/mod where something like re-texture to gain a advantage is not frowned upon. (Killing floor like games yes but that is not pvp competitive)
Like sharing a movie gives you a harser judgement in real life instead of just downloading it, so will sharing a cheat give you unwanted attention.

I don't understand the bigotry against the russians, when we all should name our number #1 cheaters by country.
(click to show/hide)
Yes Russia is second but still.

Everyone remember two things, innoncent until proven guilty and not guilty until proven innoncent !
And this mod is a service not a right, we can be denied this service and have no rights.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 18, 2016, 10:56:00 am
Oh Jambi, I am sorely disappointed your ill-conceived and short-sighted attitude!

How could you think that admins may be biased? Shame.

They know what they're doing. They balancing our game as best as they can and just need to ban some russians or poles from time to time to improve morale on the other side. Balance and common sense are the most important.

That's why they have all of admins. It's necessary.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 18, 2016, 11:15:15 am
so pandor got banned for attitude, even tho he didn't insult anyone?
pandor is a troll, i argued with him many times, sometimes i want to punch him :D But i think red line should be drawn before something like this happens and not after. U basically banned him and then said how horrible it is. Some commented on how its disapproved, but nobody said its forbidden, because even admins didn't know how to deal with this situation. But i see little difference in someone using native arrows and someone using green arrows. If one is advantage then another is advantage too. If someone would kill 5 ppl in real life and another kills 10 ppl in real life for the same reasons - they both murderers then.
I don't urge u to ban ppl for native arrows because i see nothing wrong with that, but pandor shouldn't get banned too. Or at list make a rule - its ok to use native arrows but we'll fuck u up for flying coloured dicks. If u think that green arrows give u advantage then native also do that. I played native few nights when we had no one on servers, was way too easy u can see all arrows.

Pandor is big retard at times but should be unbanned. He leveled his archer for years to be banned for something uncertain, something as one of admins called - grey area. Make a rule and if he breaks it he should get punishment.

And all people who play on our side, and its not just greys anymore but also eques, some mercs etc know one thing very well: When we join strat battle and there is a fog, we all asking if anyone who joined later or sooner had a fog and if there is one for those who joined sooner, all out team rejoining server!!! I think everyone does that.

Someone shared natives and other mods on forum, pandor shared his. Stupid - yes, bannable - no.
I've read that hourse sounds made louder in mod then other sounds because it makes them more realistic, maybe true, but it still gives advantage over other players.
Never even heared of that thing with horses, pandor too - he just asked me where he can download and that he always wanted it :)))

He already punished by not playing for some days now, without anyone writing to him what he has to do to get unbanned. So i guess his ban can go on for months until u work out.
I dragged him in this strat because he didn't want to play at all, told him country need him (tho i didn't tell him that country was Estonia), and then he got exited in crpg again and played there too almost every day. And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works, since mercs invented coloured shit, since a lot of players use native arrows, since ppl remove night from their game and mod the shit out of their CRPG and don't get banned. He thought it was perfectly normal since a lot of players mod shit and post it on forum. He trolled a bit but never expected to get banned for this.

Sorry but ur common sense sucks + double standards + personal preferences.

+ don't troll blueknight since he is a very good and respected guy!

Actually Nebun it's more like someone being racist on here which some people don't like but some people don't care. The guy then realises he's annoying some people and takes it further by posting more and more like it and inviting people to join in with him being racist. While what he did isn't specifically against the rules it's not exactly approved of. He's then taken it so far and tried to make it worse by getting more people to do it. That's the problem. Had he not been an idiot and demanding the attention of the world with what he's doing he'd not be banned. It's his own fault and I think the ban should stand or he won't learn.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 18, 2016, 11:17:24 am
So... we're deleting posts too now?
Interesting.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 18, 2016, 11:46:50 am
Did not know that all the moldovans, ukrainians, georgians are russians too :lol:
russophobia  :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2w-yGzC0_M


Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 18, 2016, 11:54:59 am
Alot of you defending Pandor, with the argument about racism, please explain how its even the case.
I can see some racism going on in the thread and i hope that you use the report to moderator button as that is the reason its there.
This racism is coming from players, not admins, and you are right to be angry about it.

Pandors ban imo is fair.
Panos have been globally banned for far less, "shut up you ranged bundle of sticks" a sentence like that. (The forums auto correct removed the bad words and replaced them with "bundle of sticks")
You will not find a popular game/mod where something like re-texture to gain a advantage is not frowned upon. (Killing floor like games yes but that is not pvp competitive)
Like sharing a movie gives you a harser judgement in real life instead of just downloading it, so will sharing a cheat give you unwanted attention.

I don't understand the bigotry against the russians, when we all should name our number #1 cheaters by country.
(click to show/hide)
Yes Russia is second but still.

Everyone remember two things, innoncent until proven guilty and not guilty until proven innoncent !
And this mod is a service not a right, we can be denied this service and have no rights.


In Poland only live 30 mio people  :idea:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Paul on March 18, 2016, 12:41:29 pm
Yeah, the amount of cheaters in relation to the actual player amount of that country would have had some significance. But I don't need that to know that poland stronk.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 18, 2016, 01:19:01 pm

In Poland only live 30 mio people  :idea:

I am quite sure it only takes the total number of banned people and then spread them out on the countries.
If it also took total population into consideration i think Denmark and Sweden would top, they are in the top 10 and only have a populations of 5 and 8 million people.

But it wouldn't make sense to take population into consideration as there are no borders or nationalities on the internet only a total amount of cheaters, everyone else is clean.
No one cheats because of their nationality.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 18, 2016, 01:23:31 pm
Good thing you aren't taking a side or defending Pandor right?

The only fail here is you, especially if you cant spot the difference between Uther banning people now for a video that's years old and banning someone who actively publicises their cheating now and publicly shares the link after being warned.

You seem to think these things are equivalent, good thing that nobody cares what you think. And how OUTRAGEOUS that the community and admins bring up the fact that this player that was caught openly cheating is from a clan with a history of cheating, GOD!!!! So RACIST! There's no way to talk all this right lol.

But srsly, admins don't need to talk this right. Only people outraged are Pandor's clanmates and you, and no matter how hard you try to create a 'circus' around this, no one gives a shit what you think.
I added and removed my +1 around 25 times to show my appreciation to you, Heskey!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 18, 2016, 01:23:56 pm
Actually Nebun it's more like someone being racist on here which some people don't like but some people don't care. The guy then realises he's annoying some people and takes it further by posting more and more like it and inviting people to join in with him being racist. While what he did isn't specifically against the rules it's not exactly approved of. He's then taken it so far and tried to make it worse by getting more people to do it. That's the problem. Had he not been an idiot and demanding the attention of the world with what he's doing he'd not be banned. It's his own fault and I think the ban should stand or he won't learn.

There are rules on racism. + the problem i have is why no one else gets banned for it. To me it should be either all or nothing. Otherwise poor judgement.
Pandor might not care and play a lot of other games right now, its just this isn't fair. It would make sense if all would get banned.
If he would post auto blocks on forum and brag about them and we have rule on that - i would understand his perma ban.

I can write a rule set for admins if they can't.
Allowed texture modifications for example: native arrows, loom pack, etc etc.
Any other modifications not allowed and bannable. Is that so hard to include with other rules???

Well common sense tells me that admin that played against us on siege of Tibaut was doing something wrong using show names cheat way too often while playing XBow. Was he using it to find leechers on strategus battle or targets for his crossbow?
Some admins are good, others do what they want.


 
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 18, 2016, 01:39:21 pm
Interesting, we also have players in their 30s-40s, teachers, doctors and other serious calm ppl, who play few hrs in the evenings and strat battles to relax after work. Would be interesting to hear their thoughts on a "guy" who suggests for them to play on a separate server because he thinks that they are bad by default.
I will return a favor and suggest u to read books and expand ur understanding of life enough - so you could make up better/cleaner/deeper opinion of everyone individually, instead of judging whole nations/clans/races.

And since i'm not a very horrible cheater, russian hacks, syka blyati, vodka, balalayka, i will help u with possible replies:
- i know u all rotten, i've seen it, i've seen it!
- I didn't say anything about races - so the rest of it must be false too.
- (ignore the whole point and  say) Nice sob story.
(That way u don't even have to type it, because you can just copy paste it. Do u understand it? eh? eh? should i explain? should i explain? should i explain? )  :wink:

Yes yes, I'm sure drz ts in the evenings is a culturally uplifting experience, you drink fine wines and discuss Tolstoy, gtfo. 
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 18, 2016, 01:48:47 pm

If it also took total population into consideration i think Denmark and Sweden would top, they are in the top 10 and only have a populations of 5 and 8 million people.


Don't forget that among them is bigger percentage of players / pop ( very good and old internet / shitty climate)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 18, 2016, 01:58:57 pm
Don't forget that among them is bigger percentage of players / pop ( very good and old internet / shitty climate)

I am a swede living in Denmark, and i must still refer to my previouse post last part.

But it wouldn't make sense to take population into consideration as there are no borders or nationalities on the internet only a total amount of cheaters, everyone else is clean.
No one cheats because of their nationality.

I am not Bjord in tone and would not use his vocabulary or have his temper.
But he is a swede like me and most likely got same hair color, maybe same eye color and alot of other similarities.

Again Pandor's actions is not your actions, and should not affect you or others who share some trait with him.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 18, 2016, 02:29:30 pm
C'mon and take a look again. I say the same thing and there is full understanding. It was just about logic only.

How to explain with a simple example... It's like vodka and beer in relation to alcohol. High concentration of players in Sweden reflect in absolute numbers of players. That's all.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 02:31:11 pm
http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-illuminati_/msg843711/#msg843711

dat forum heroes are shit in this game i know for a long time but the forum heroes failing even at their own playground it's even more funny :D
look at this topic and those responses

'If people want me banned for using textures that aren't against the rules they can make a ban thread, but don't try to steer away from the topic of this thread.'  top kek lol :mrgreen:
'Maybe check the rules first. :p

I agree the textures are pretty dumb, but they are totally legal and have always been around.'  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

'Message me if you do want them or to know about them please. I'd rather not stray away from the topic.'  buahahahahaaha top kek

and the fucking cherry on the cake Admin decision :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

'Illuminati's record is pretty clean so I am going to let this off with a warning. Please do not nudge reloading xbowmen. Also, I was on the server at the time and this could have been reported to me in I chat which would have immediately cleared this up. Locking thread, please direct any criticisms to http://forum.meleegaming.com/game-admin-feedback/(na)-phantasmal/ '

buahahahaahah top-notch admin decision :D

and seriously should i link to neon weapons, this link is active on forum and dat guy didn't even get a warning? :D  forum heroes army fail

Haha! And hes a beta tester too! I bet hes testing out what mods are compatible with M:BG.

it's still the internet, not a playground for fanatics who avoid all forms of negativity

one day, the world might become a better place. but i promise you, it won't start on the www

So lets not even try, and simply give up www.
You got some very messed up ethics, if you believe that.

Good thing you aren't taking a side or defending Pandor right?

The only fail here is you, especially if you cant spot the difference between Uther banning people now for a video that's years old and banning someone who actively publicises their cheating now and publicly shares the link after being warned.

You seem to think these things are equivalent, good thing that nobody cares what you think. And how OUTRAGEOUS that the community and admins bring up the fact that this player that was caught openly cheating is from a clan with a history of cheating, GOD!!!! So RACIST! There's no way to talk all this right lol.

But srsly, admins don't need to talk this right. Only people outraged are Pandor's clanmates and you, and no matter how hard you try to create a 'circus' around this, no one gives a shit what you think.

Too late! yes thank you Heskey thats the exact arguement i was expecting.
Diffrence between then and now. Is that there wasnt a public outcry on that video, and it would have been fair to assume for any admin, that banning some of them wouldnt make alot of friends.
Yet this time! ooh golly an EVIL RUSSIAN! hype hype! bring the bigotry bandwagon.. jump on it! upvote that shit.. hate on them...... and then an admin has no problem in banning a cheater + Evil Russian, and gets a round of fist bumps. Such a wonderfull era of admins! I know its an assumption, but this sort of attitude is common in this community.

And Heskey please! not just read... but READ. Read the post.. then make an opinion, it feels like your somewhat reading the post until you find fraction you can twist to push your bias. Because seriously.... i am still talking about how the ban was handled and the situation around it, and not defending Pandor. I havent said Unban pandor a single time did i? Or said that Pandor didnt cheat... or that the ban on pandor wasnt fair.. Im talking about the way the ban was handled.

And heskey, Uthred said this.
Let me rephrase - I can't affect it, so I won't shoot blindly at people i think are cheating without any proof. Care wasn't the clearest word to use.

basicly saying he would ban anyone using cheats if proof is shown. No requirement of posting a download link
Cheat + proof = shoot.

But heskey realy man. its pointless argueing with you, like many others have said.

And yes i do side with the Russians on this one, since i think the hate and slander on them has gone far enough.
I got balls big enough to not care about my opinion being an unpopular one in this community. I got my ethics and im not afraid of showing them, and take responsibility for it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 18, 2016, 02:33:53 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Danetti on March 18, 2016, 02:47:23 pm
Haha! And hes a beta tester too! I bet hes testing out what mods are compatible with M:BG.





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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: PastorNapas on March 18, 2016, 02:49:38 pm
#UNBANPANDOR
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: pogosan on March 18, 2016, 03:03:43 pm
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Danetti on March 18, 2016, 03:04:42 pm
Yes yes, I'm sure drz ts in the evenings is a culturally uplifting experience, you drink fine wines and discuss Tolstoy, gtfo.


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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 03:08:22 pm

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 18, 2016, 03:13:39 pm
Please explain why he can't just buy new warband key with 80% off? He loses his looms but DRZ has huge armory from what I've heard.

not huge, and most items used, and yes he could buy. Discussion here about admins judgements. If someone get banned for things that others don't get banned for. Then bans not based on rules, but rather on personal preference.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 18, 2016, 03:14:52 pm
Some admins are good, others do what they want.

Hah! Nope. They're all degenerates. Takes one to know one.  :wink:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: DKNhz on March 18, 2016, 03:15:35 pm
Seriously, WTF is that racism shit going on.

This is so stupid, so much so that there is no word in any language to explain your ability to connect those two things together. Being a cheater and racism. Fucking wow.


Natural selection should take you away.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 18, 2016, 03:20:02 pm
#UNBANPANDOR

#FIXSERVER

or at least give us +3 shahid belt  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 03:21:05 pm
Seriously, WTF is that racism shit going on.

This is so stupid, so much so that there is no word in any language to explain your ability to connect those two things together. Being a cheater and racism. Fucking wow.


Natural selection should take you away.

This is exactly why you shouldnt post off-topic. If there's a thread about a ban on a single cheater, then there is no reason to bring up his evil russian ways, and drag others along with him for slander.
Since then its no longer a thread about cheats, but also made platform for bigotry when unmoderated.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 18, 2016, 03:22:55 pm
C'mon and take a look again. I say the same thing and there is full understanding. It was just about logic only.
...

I just did, Haha sorry misread you totally Harpag,  we are in agreement :)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 03:25:31 pm
Hah! Nope. They're all degenerates. Takes one to know one.  :wink:

All of them!? no! karusu! stap! you're confusing me!

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 18, 2016, 03:27:27 pm
I trust him  :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 18, 2016, 03:40:02 pm
No exceptions!


Also, moderation related, it seems as of late that racism/cheats/mudak arguments/personal vendettas are the only things that make this mods playerbase blood flow and boil with passion.

Back in the early days, there were other subjects that players used to- .... Oh, who am I kidding, it was exactly the same crap for years.  :lol:


On-topic: seems that the ban is pretty much settled, since if they removed the ban now, would be an huge statement implying "feel free to edit at your own will, banana republic ahoy!". So this seems pretty much pointless, in my "external" point of view.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 03:57:06 pm
Also, moderation related, it seems as of late that racism/cheats/mudak arguments/personal vendettas are the only things that make this mods playerbase blood flow and boil with passion.

I hope no M:BG community reviewers will also notice this, since they most likely getting closer to release, we can expect these sort of visitors  :?

But perhaps its like what Rico says, its not sticking out so it doesnt catch his attention so why bother. But yet, it catches the attention of others. ooh the irony
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 18, 2016, 04:09:15 pm

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 18, 2016, 04:23:32 pm
Discussion here about admins judgements. If someone get banned for things that others don't get banned for. Then bans not based on rules, but rather on personal preference.

daily reminder that Pandor didnt got banned for cheating in first line but for publishing it publically and encouraging others to do so aswell
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 18, 2016, 04:38:49 pm
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 04:49:23 pm
daily reminder that Pandor didnt got banned for cheating in first line but for publishing it publically and encouraging others to do so aswell

daily bias reminder.
As if posting video's and screenshots of cheating and getting away with it, isnt encouraging enough for players that are thinking about cheating to be pushed into eventually doing it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 18, 2016, 05:07:23 pm
daily bias reminder.
As if posting video's and screenshots of cheating and getting away with it, isnt encouraging enough for players that are thinking about cheating to be pushed into eventually doing it.


You used this mod also while in Mercs?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Varadin on March 18, 2016, 05:31:25 pm
So... we're deleting posts too now?
Interesting.

Yep you are
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 18, 2016, 05:32:08 pm
Since you banned Pandor because of his nonchalant attitude about cheating, can you please also ban that Chinese gold farmer who is openly talking about selling looms for real life money? Thank you :)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 06:02:45 pm
I pointed to you in regards to calling DRZ archers shitty, hate them or love them but they are good in what they do, cucumber arrows or not)) And whether they use cheats or not is of little care for me without some system in place to control that)

Mm, quite true, my assumptions there were a step to far, for clarification I don't mean to say all DRZ archers are terrible, I don't doubt some are incredibly good, just in terms of the situation, I do think there has to be more than JUST Pandor but I realise this is just mere speculation.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 06:05:30 pm
And for all those whining about how I am a Vanguard, don't worry, I'm Krems too so you get double the retardation! :D

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 06:07:57 pm
Trained by Nord BlueKnight  =  100 % Darwin award for his adept or what?

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I was trained from birth by my adopted father, BlueKnight, he raised me to be as retarded as possible out of spite, for he could not bare a child of his own (all the polish wumynz said fk u) so he raised me and made me retarded (this is how I joined Krems at an early age)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 06:09:50 pm
But in all seriousness, no need to insult BlueKnight, he taught me to fight in C-RPG because I was shit, that's it, no need to be a dick towards him when I'm the party being retarded.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 06:11:11 pm
What a load of crap. I've played archer since 1st strategus. About 6 year now. I don't need to see where arrows fly anymore. Everything happens out of habit.
But its useful to see when someone shooting at u. But its enough to look at ur body or ground to see at what angle arrow hit.
Any good archer knows that.

Would be fun to see your face, when admins will make client check/auto update, and then the next day u will get headshoot the same as u always was.

Yeah I do agree I was wrong on this point, looking back on it now I feel I was being very bias towards all of DRZ purely based on the fact that one person had the green arrow cheat, I apologise for that.

edit: Just realised I took up like a billion pages.

On another note, how do I multiquote?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: vipere on March 18, 2016, 06:14:20 pm
yeldur, please
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 06:14:59 pm
yeldur, please
I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MULTIQUOTE :X
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 18, 2016, 06:44:57 pm
Yeldur, mind the machinegun multi post please.  :mad:



And for all those whining about how I am a Vanguard, don't worry, I'm Krems too so you get double the retardation! :D


We're all Krems at heart. There's a little Krems inside of every cRPG player that dares to have fun playing this videogame mod.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 18, 2016, 06:45:10 pm
I wasn't aware shit talking about one country makes someone racist.

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 07:01:26 pm
Yeldur, mind the machinegun multi post please.  :mad:




We're all Krems at heart. There's a little Krems inside of every cRPG player that dares to have fun playing this videogame mod.

Sorry Karasu, I'm not sure how to multiquote :x
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 07:02:28 pm
I wasn't aware shit talking about one country makes someone racist.

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There's a difference between shit talking and creating a stereotype because they are Russian.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: BlueKnight on March 18, 2016, 07:04:48 pm
Sorry Karasu, I'm not sure how to multiquote :x

You need a forum training ^^

I prefer to open another tab in the browser so that I have 1 for writing and 1 for getting quotes or other forum stuff in the background, in another tab just quote someone, copy the quotation and paste in the first tab where you want to write your message, close other tab when not necessary anymore. Tried to keep it short, may be confusing, whatever...

Like workplace-tab and provider-tab
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 18, 2016, 07:14:50 pm
There's a difference between shit talking and creating a stereotype because they are Russian.

No matter how you twist things, race =/= the country you live in, or half the forum should be banned/warned for being racist to Americans.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 18, 2016, 07:16:43 pm
You're a drama queen and your opinions are unpopular because they're shit, not because you're the only one brave enough to stand up against the system.

If you want overwhelming support from the community to topple this decision, you wont get it.

If you want other admins to overrule this decision, they wont. We were getting to the point where in the absence of a global admin doing something, individual NA and EU admins in combination with forum moderator were willing to take separate action to individually remove Pandor's post and ban him from each region. The admins seem pretty united over this.

And if you go over their heads and wake up a head admin or a donkey, you may not like the outcome considering their historic zero tolerance to modding the game for your own personal advantage (when they're active enough to actually notice it and take any form of action).

Admins are taking action NOW on an instance they could no longer ignore. They cant go back in time and ban mercs for doing similar in a video 3 years ago, no matter how many entitled tears you cry. The people involved in that video 3 years ago should be grateful that either the admin team at the time didn't give a shit, or that the people in that video weren't total assholes about it like Pandor who made it impossible for admins to not make a hard ruling. The current decision that happened NOW was not done without warning, it didn't come out of nowhere, and as stated you're just trying to stir shit up in a black & white case of cheating by going totally offtopic and acting like it's racist to ban someone for cheating if they're Russian.

Im going to repeat it one more time for you Heskey. If i were truly against the "system" as a whole or however in black and white you mean it, i would have pushed for an unban but i didnt, and nor did i ask for other admins to overrule any decision made on Pandor. I have expressed my concerns and questioned the system on how they handled this, and made examples of why i dont agree with the choice they made and especially how they handled it.
The point im trying to make is going completely over your head.
If by now you still dont understand what i am trying to convey and the form of rhetoric i'm using, you might as well just stop Heskey. I dont feel like going over my posts with you, and pointing out what is figurative speech to push foward a notion and what should be taken literally, you're not a child anymore i take it.
Thanks for trying tho

You're a drama queen and your opinions are unpopular because they're shit

Actually. this is exactly how a most young children would sound in a discussion when they run out of dialog. I take back my words.
Whats next, you want me to reply with a "No you're wrong, your opinions are shit... you're a *blank*. Sorry man im well past kindergarten bickering.

Were done here Heskey.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 18, 2016, 08:25:31 pm
You need a forum training ^^

I prefer to open another tab in the browser so that I have 1 for writing and 1 for getting quotes or other forum stuff in the background, in another tab just quote someone, copy the quotation and paste in the first tab where you want to write your message, close other tab when not necessary anymore. Tried to keep it short, may be confusing, whatever...

Like workplace-tab and provider-tab
Hahaha, dw BK I understand :p

No matter how you twist things, race =/= the country you live in, or half the forum should be banned/warned for being racist to Americans.
Oh believe me I'm well aware that many many people are racist as fuck on the forums and in game. The irony is hilarious. I honestly don't give a shit about people being racist, if they can't handle it then they shouldn't be on the Internet at all lmao, Internet has been a shithole for many years and nothing is going to improve it.


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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 18, 2016, 09:29:59 pm
You're a drama queen and your opinions are unpopular because they're shit, not because you're the only one brave enough to stand up against the system.

It all boils down to people community is made of. In early days of cRPG when forums were full of Mercs, Jambis opinion was more valuable than it is now. Currently this forum and probably game is filled with Krems, so it is expected that opinions that deviate from what Krems like folk think to be considered as shitty.

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We're all Krems at heart. There's a little Krems inside of every cRPG player that dares to have fun playing this videogame mod.

Unfortunately that is correct. It pains me to admit it, but everyone who ever played this mod has a bit of Krems in himself.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 18, 2016, 11:16:45 pm
It pains me to admit it, but everyone who ever played this mod has a bit of Krems in himself.

Esp those who ever joined us righto Leshmo?  8-)
(we miss you) at least me
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 18, 2016, 11:42:26 pm
It all boils down to people community is made of. In early days of cRPG when forums were full of Mercs, Jambis opinion was more valuable than it is now. Currently this forum and probably game is filled with Krems, so it is expected that opinions that deviate from what Krems like folk think to be considered as shitty.

Unfortunately that is correct. It pains me to admit it, but everyone who ever played this mod has a bit of Krems in himself.

I've seen one of the krems bite Pandor and he become retard :( So really who's fault is it? :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 19, 2016, 12:45:39 am
It pains me to admit it, but everyone who ever played this mod has a bit of Krems in himself.

 I'm sorry  :oops:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 19, 2016, 01:36:43 am
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What's holding me back is that, as far as I am aware, no Merc has openly shared those files on the forum, AFTER being openly shat on by people for using it, and while sharing he INVITED people to use them. This is as simple as it gets - you invite people to break the rules and give them the tools to do so, you get the short end of the stick. Besides, I can't really comment on that - I only started watching forums closely since what, 2013? And I'm an admin since 2014 - Pandor is the first case of this type that I know of.

And I agree, it's a bit shitty to point out someones nationality as part of the reason for their behaviour - while the russian cheater stereotype exists for a reason, we DON'T assume automatically that russian = cheater, Pandor was treated as a common player who shared a cheat and was seen using it - and the SHARING PART was the incriminating part. Using it was just icing on the cake, fitting, but not most important. The ban on him is a temporary measure - we're discussing what his fate should be, and trust me, admins aren't a hive mind and people are voicing different opinions, which will take effect in a couple of days.
And regarding the racism and bigotry - if it's in the game, standard Mute should work, if on forums and is continuted behaviour, the used could/should be reported/warned. Casual racism isn't fine, and can sometimes be passed as banter. At the same time, I don't think that Pandor being russian is the only reason people are against him. Correlation doesn't imply causation))

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I would use a different analogy, (at least in my opinion it's more correct) - if a guy plays Paintball, and fixes his gun with a different crosshair, for different look (native arrows), that's ok. But if he adds a laser pointer (cucumber arrows), it's a bit over the top. But USING the stuff is a completely different thing than SHARING it - and I repeat, it's his MAIN charge. The same way you can get charged and put in jail for sharing a torrent, but downloading it is in that grey area of "not really enforced unless extreme cases"

Not all admins are in favour of the ban, and I'm sure some have changed their opinions over time and as dicussion continued.

His attitude wasn't the main reason for the ban, the sharing of the cheat was. However, his attitude didn't help him :o

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Of all the rules, I have to admit the one about shittalking is the most "subjective" and depends on the admin reacting to it. Generally, we're very strict on chocolate chip cookie references due to german laws and servers being in Germany, for obvious reasons, somewhat strict about racism (isn't as horribly present in EU as it is in NA, less controversy as well), BUT - regarding shitting on someone due to their nationality, it's mixed. Usual approach is that if people are talking and throwing "jokes" between eachother, it's not something we have to intervene in - why would you reply to their insults with insults, unless you'd enjoy the flame war? Just mute them, or report them to an admin. However, if someone doesn't reply and the insulting person doesn't stop, we take action if it's going over the line.

On forums, I have no idea how moderators work because I'm not a moderator. Panos gets muted every couple days for anti-turk stuff and other flaming he does in his spare time from begging on the streets, but joking about other nationalities isn't as harshly moderated because, I guess... it carries less of a controversy? Honestly russians just aren't reporting the insults thrown against them. I generally don't ban for insulting in-game, unless it's crazy spam or going for a long time, but we don't discriminate - muting is used whenever a person feels that it's TOO MUCH and the insulter doesn't stop after a warning, or being muted by the individual player.

But I agree, insulting Pandor and other Druzhina members because they're eastern slavs (not just russians, polan strok) is dumb. It leads to nothing and arguing that someone has a specific trait (like being a cheater) because of their nationality is just stupid, sorry.

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NA admins act in mysterious ways, I don't try to understand them - also, I wasn't even an admin back then, unrelated case to this thing - again, Pandor shared his cheat and got temporarily banned for sharing his cheat.

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Exactly, Pandor was banned to balance the Bjordban)) Also we plan to unban DKG_Wilhelm to bring back the german war machine for the Strat 6 End Times.

Well common sense tells me that admin that played against us on siege of Tibaut was doing something wrong using show names cheat way too often while playing XBow. Was he using it to find leechers on strategus battle or targets for his crossbow?
Some admins are good, others do what they want.

I can assure you that show names cheat is extremely inaccurate, and you would still need to be in spectator mode to make the most use of it - names that are miles away show the same way as names of people close to you, zero perspective is useless for finding targets, but good for spotting leechers that are far from their group.

Im going to repeat it one more time for you Heskey. If i were truly against the "system" as a whole or however in black and white you mean it, i would have pushed for an unban but i didnt, and nor did i ask for other admins to overrule any decision made on Pandor. I have expressed my concerns and questioned the system on how they handled this, and made examples of why i dont agree with the choice they made and especially how they handled it.

You're not the only one who has concerns regarding how it was handled;
TL;DR here regarding last quote and the point of my stupid wall of text:

Pandor was banned NOT by an EU admin, NOT by an NA admin. He was banned by Dupre, who counts as a global admin, as a TEMPORARY measure, untill the active admins from both regions decide his fate in an on-going discussion, which ends in a few days.
Pandor was banned for SHARING CHEATS, specifically that.
His ban, at the moment, is not permanent. More information will be released in a couple days.
Was he banned for using the cheats? No. Did it influence the decision regarding his ban? No.
Is it completely alright to mod your textures? Without any control in place, the only thing that controls it is players morality :wink:
Can we, at this moment, somehow control what files do players use? No. Therefore, unless that last thing changes, we just won't bother ourselves with claims that someone uses a cheat.
BUT IF YOU SHARE THE CHEAT ON THE GAME FORUM AND INVITE EVERYONE TO USE IT, there's hardly any defence left for you, you admit to doing a thing that is, by common sense, wrong - you share a game exploit. And pleading guilty is the top evidence.


Here is how the situation went down in the day after Pandor posted his thread, and AFTER he was asked to remove the link but it was still there:
A few threads were made in admin subforums, asking what to do -> We tried contacting the Donkeys for advice -> Dupre saw Pandor's thread, banned him as a temporary thing, WITHOUT NOTICING THE ADMIN THREADS -> He noticed the threads and awaits our final decision now.
There was a lack of communication at first, sadly, but we're going to reach a decision regarding both Pandor and addition of a new rule soon.
Thank you for reading sorry for wall of text but I don't have time to answer individually to all posts throughout the day so I let them pile up and dissect them in one reply))
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 19, 2016, 02:11:50 am
I've seen one of the krems bite Pandor and he become retard :( So really who's fault is it? :D

sorry that was me i hope you can forgive me for my sins. fin told me to do it :(
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Vovka on March 19, 2016, 03:04:54 am
blah blah blah
why try hard and fix game to make it better if it is easier ban Russian cheater so it will calm dawn morons from forum and ensure their love


just quick search

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/my-hacks-%28fun-color-editing%29/msg941243/?topicseen#msg941243

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/h0w-to-b3-g00d-w1th-free-downl0ad/msg1052122/?topicseen#msg1052122


I can't believe people are raging over the fact that tinkering with your models and textures client side should be restricted or overseen.

Now here is a suggestion. Some servers have the restriction on, some have it off, and you can decide where you want to play. And if you really want to play with your unicorn on the restricted servers, you put it into the review process.

Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...

yes
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 19, 2016, 03:15:47 am
@Vovka
yep that's the 2 topics i was trying to 'hide'  it's from 1 year ago and look  :D who's 'inside' of this topic, beta testers/admin's head admins etc :D
so i will write it again if some is brain damaged to max level, showing moral line in 2016 on Russian Cucumber Pindor is ok?

cherry on the cake  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

'lel at all the infamy

Is there a way to color only the arrows?' (c) Prpavi   [on the second page]
hahahahaaha piece of shit forum hero :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 03:22:04 am
What's holding me back is that, as far as I am aware...

Thank you for taking time explaining the situation properly as you see it, and giving some insight from the admins perspectives.

Honestly russians just aren't reporting the insults thrown against them...

From the russians and polaks ive been in contact with.. they tell me, that they simply given up on reporting. And the reason as to why , are plenty past experience within the crpg community, reports they made not being cared about or treated unfairly with bias or promises made by staff members that never got fulfilled. And i can only agree with them, ive seen it happen... and i prolly let the my personal discontent build up to far and that one's my own mistake, but thats the reason why im expressing my concerns now extensively.

But I agree, insulting Pandor and other Druzhina members because they're eastern slavs (not just russians, polan strok) is dumb. It leads to nothing and arguing that someone has a specific trait (like being a cheater) because of their nationality is just stupid, sorry.
And im glad you're the first admin with balls big enough to actually recognize the bullshit slavs deal with.

Hah! Nope. They're all degenerates. Takes one to know one.  :wink:

I hate to have to say it.... but Karasu might have been wrong after all. Uthred might still be the admin not only wich DTV needs but also needed for his skills in using dialog the proper way!
You got my +1.. thank god there is still a tiny slither of hope.


blah blah blah
why try hard and fix game to make it better if it is easier ban Russian cheater so it will calm dawn morons from forum and ensure their love


just quick search

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/my-hacks-%28fun-color-editing%29/msg941243/?topicseen#msg941243

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/h0w-to-b3-g00d-w1th-free-downl0ad/msg1052122/?topicseen#msg1052122
But as Vovka already posted. Back to my previous point i made about russian bias and the overall hypocrisy going rampart. But nah my opinions are "shit"
Thank you for confirming i'm still somewhat sane Vovka, i was starting to doubt myself. I would kiss you... but you might be one of those "evil russians" lol.  :oops:

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 19, 2016, 03:29:17 am
I hope they didn't noticed that you're polestronk cuz they can think you're trying to be suspiciously objective lol


Serious part:

Uthyr, I have a question. Can you get an idea of what's going on with lags (half of our players have a problem with sync - ping ok but we lose packets) Can you ( admins, not devs ) do a reset or something?

I also have a question for devs. Can you reconsider tics from Strategus? Mod is olddead so why not?

It's important for us - recently hardly anyone has time for cRPG, but most of us are eager to participate in stat. More XP for reviving would also be welcome.

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EDIT:

Is there a way to color only the arrows?

 :rolleyes:

Nice, gief links!

 :!:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 19, 2016, 03:51:35 am
@Vovka
yep that's the 2 topics i was trying to 'hide'  it's from 1 year ago and look  :D who's 'inside' of this topic, beta testers/admin's head admins etc :D
so i will write it again if some is brain damaged to max level, showing moral line in 2016 on Russian Cucumber Pindor is ok?

cherry on the cake  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

'lel at all the infamy

Is there a way to color only the arrows?' (c) Prpavi   [on the second page]
hahahahaaha piece of shit forum hero :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

proof I ever used any mods, no? ok then..

nah m8 you're still a piece of shit allong with your "brothers" and 1k keys you bought for strat and if this was a regular game not a player starving indie mod your asses would be blanked banned forever.

also still looking for the mods, you know anybody that can give me the link?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 19, 2016, 03:52:50 am
stfu
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 19, 2016, 03:53:20 am
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 04:01:24 am
proof I ever used any mods, no? ok then..

nah m8 you're still a piece of shit allong with your "brothers" and 1k keys you bought for strat and if this was a regular game not a player starving indie mod your asses would be blanked banned forever.

also still looking for the mods, you know anybody that can give me the link?

I would have told you an interesting story of my time spend in The Mercenaries and the multi-accounting that took place there on strat... but its an old story and those people guilty of it have been long gone.

But those were europian players, so who cares huh?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 19, 2016, 04:11:03 am
I would have told you an interesting story of my time spend in The Mercenaries and the multi-accounting that took place there on strat... but its an old story and those people guilty of it have been long gone.

But those were europian players, so who cares huh?

Nope same thing, proof ...

So I get no links, selfish...
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 09:23:04 am
Uthyr, interesting ideas, but Native arrows are a lot wider and a lot easier to see then regular crpg arrows, and if u say green arrows give advantage then those do too. Should be all or nothing.

Hm and i don't follow the logic, you said its not against the rules to use them, then why is it against the rules to share them, because that one u just made up for this special case. Because i haven't seen such rule.
People discuss this mods on forums, post screenshoots, how would pandor guess that there is a rule that no one ever talked about.

we found at list 3-4 ppl in this thread to ban, for the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, i would be up for forced remove of all mods! all! The problem i have is with fairness of the situation. Either all should be banned for it, or none. U can't just pick a guy and ban him like that. Of course u wouldn't do that to ur buddies or other players u know for ages, u'd probably give them warning or just laugh about it.
I don't follow the ban threads but was there anyone banned before for doing something that wasn't included in server rules?

After admin BlackBow on eu1 explaining to me for an hour why he hates all russians and that they should fuck off the server and insulting us on regular basis. I have hard time to believe in admins judgement. He is obviously not the only one doing that, but he is admin. If people like him decide on who to ban, then i'm worried.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Sparvico on March 19, 2016, 10:25:38 am
Pandor was banned NOT by an EU admin, NOT by an NA admin. He was banned by Dupre, who counts as a global admin, as a TEMPORARY measure, untill the active admins from both regions decide his fate in an on-going discussion, which ends in a few days.
Pandor was banned for SHARING CHEATS, specifically that.
His ban, at the moment, is not permanent. More information will be released in a couple days.
Was he banned for using the cheats? No. Did it influence the decision regarding his ban? No.
Is it completely alright to mod your textures? Without any control in place, the only thing that controls it is players morality :wink:
Can we, at this moment, somehow control what files do players use? No. Therefore, unless that last thing changes, we just won't bother ourselves with claims that someone uses a cheat.
BUT IF YOU SHARE THE CHEAT ON THE GAME FORUM AND INVITE EVERYONE TO USE IT, there's hardly any defence left for you, you admit to doing a thing that is, by common sense, wrong - you share a game exploit. And pleading guilty is the top evidence.

If it's a cheat then he should be banned for cheating (perhaps in addition to sharing it). If it isn't a cheat than he shouldn't be banned for sharing it. The real problem is there is no detection system in place for what exactly is modified in a persons file. In this case you can use a "common sense" and ban him for cheating at some point in time or a "legal sense" and say you can't ban him because you can't prove he's still cheating.

This whole "He should only be banned for sharing the cheat and not using it" is frankly ridiculous. Common sense would dictate you ban him for cheating and for sharing it. Then again common sense is only a catch all phrase in this community so the admins and devs can change the rules retroactively when things they did not foresee come up. Which is a fine thing to do actually, just wished you didn't call it common sense, cause as we can clearly see from this debacle it's anything but common or sensical.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 19, 2016, 10:36:34 am
Cant believe that someone can hate russians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0z557aPT8Q

Maybe most of the dedicated crpg players use some custom help, drz, mercs, varadin, amox, greys.
They just dont share it. So even when Ppravi is right about drz, he should not only blame them, imho.
The point is, uif wins because of much better organisation and not because of cheats.

BTW, blackbow is a good guy, he hates krems moar  :lol

The reward for being mercenary in strat should be much higher, in gold in silver and exp!
Otherwise it makes no sense to play strat.
I suggest to make the gain in exp higher for characters under level 37, so people can close the gap to tryhards.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 19, 2016, 11:19:35 am
It all boils down to Krems being the only clean clan in crpg left.
Simply because we don't give a damn about our performances as long as we're having fun.
The true gaming spirit.


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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 19, 2016, 12:28:11 pm
Uthyr, interesting ideas, but Native arrows are a lot wider and a lot easier to see then regular crpg arrows, and if u say green arrows give advantage then those do too. Should be all or nothing.

Hm and i don't follow the logic, you said its not against the rules to use them, then why is it against the rules to share them, because that one u just made up for this special case. Because i haven't seen such rule.
People discuss this mods on forums, post screenshoots, how would pandor guess that there is a rule that no one ever talked about.

we found at list 3-4 ppl in this thread to ban, for the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, i would be up for forced remove of all mods! all! The problem i have is with fairness of the situation. Either all should be banned for it, or none. U can't just pick a guy and ban him like that. Of course u wouldn't do that to ur buddies or other players u know for ages, u'd probably give them warning or just laugh about it.
I don't follow the ban threads but was there anyone banned before for doing something that wasn't included in server rules?

After admin BlackBow on eu1 explaining to me for an hour why he hates all russians and that they should fuck off the server and insulting us on regular basis. I have hard time to believe in admins judgement. He is obviously not the only one doing that, but he is admin. If people like him decide on who to ban, then i'm worried.

Ok, are you seriously trying to tell us he was using the arrows just because they looked good? Are you trying to tell us they did not give him some sort of advantage? Ofc they give advantage, but he was the one douchy enough to brag about it and enchourage people to gain unfair advantage by sharing them. Does he understand why that is wrong? I get you are buddies and all and you're trying to defend his case but making this all about everybody hates russians qq is no the way of doing it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 01:00:24 pm
Ok, are you seriously trying to tell us he was using the arrows just because they looked good? Are you trying to tell us they did not give him some sort of advantage? Ofc they give advantage, but he was the one douchy enough to brag about it and enchourage people to gain unfair advantage by sharing them. Does he understand why that is wrong? I get you are buddies and all and you're trying to defend his case but making this all about everybody hates russians qq is no the way of doing it.

did u read full message?
So where is the rule that its ok to use coloured arrows and not allowed to brag about it?
He posted stupid video, very naive, got attacked, trolled in return - got banned for bragging and sharing. Others didn't get banned for neither of those things
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 19, 2016, 01:07:53 pm
So where is the rule that its ok to use coloured arrows and not allowed to brag about it?

Guess that's the common sense you both don't understand.

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 02:42:11 pm
If it's a cheat then he should be banned for cheating (perhaps in addition to sharing it). If it isn't a cheat than he shouldn't be banned for sharing it. The real problem is there is no detection system in place for what exactly is modified in a persons file. In this case you can use a "common sense" and ban him for cheating at some point in time or a "legal sense" and say you can't ban him because you can't prove he's still cheating.

This whole "He should only be banned for sharing the cheat and not using it" is frankly ridiculous. Common sense would dictate you ban him for cheating and for sharing it. Then again common sense is only a catch all phrase in this community so the admins and devs can change the rules retroactively when things they did not foresee come up. Which is a fine thing to do actually, just wished you didn't call it common sense, cause as we can clearly see from this debacle it's anything but common or sensical.

Quickly! Silence this man! Get the goonsquad to downvote this!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 19, 2016, 02:50:17 pm
blah blah blah...

First thread happened when I wasn't an admin, 2nd when I was only a trial admin - not much I could do, besides back then the global admins were active and so were the Devs, and usually they handled this stuff.
They're absent now, so we have to talk about this stuff together and decide what to do. I can't really answer you why those things weren't removed, I guess only recently the consensus changed in favour of removing this stuff, maybe since community is a lot smaller and it makes a bigger difference is 5 or so people use the cheat when playing in a server of 40-50 people compared to 100 people.
Also, back then, there were hopes that Devs would add some white-listing mechanic or some sort of file-check, so people in favour of using such mods were probably aware that they wouldn't be allowed to exist much longer and didn't scream bloody ban for the people sharing it, but that is just my guess))

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I have the same lag issues and no idea what causes them, and I'm not sure if anyone besides Dupre has any power in touching the servers, and even Dupre may have to contact the devs anyway.
I've had the lag for a very long time now, used to have 35 ping, nowadays norm is 55 :(

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I said it's not against the rules to use them because we have physically no means of controlling and viewing it when someone uses them or not, unless a file check would be added, but that is unlikely. The only deterrent we have is to prohibit sharing it, so as few people use it as possible. Sadly that's the reality, there is hardly a point in making a rule that we cannot enforce, that law is void then.

It's like "Children have to obey their parents", an universal and unwritten rule, but no one controls it. So what happens? Those who don't follow the rule are usually looked down upon and generally aren't liked - society deals out the punishment, same as it is here - people agree, in general (as seen in threads linked by Vovka), that users who use the coloured items, transparent buildings etc. are wankers. Sadly, in game, players rarely care what others think about them))

And I don't think you can use the same argument for native arrows, which you can argue are used for their visuals or because they were used in Native and since don't qualify as something made specificaly to simplify the game. It is of course debatable, but that's just my point of view.

Banned without breaking a rule - Clockworkkiller was permabanned (? or just perma muted on forums) for spoiling a very big story point in some movie or TV series, I don't remember which one.
Wayyyne was permamuted for posting some weird shit
Someone else was also banned for spoiling some TV show, again not sure if in-game or just forum mute.

Regarding Blackbow, individual admin opinions don't reflect the admin team's position on certain issues :lol:
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Common sense dictates he was banned for sharing a cheat in the first place. To be pedantic and technical, yes, this isn't exactly sensical in the usual meaning of the word, and falls under some boopitty dabbitty interpretation of the "Common Sense" rule, which I have to stick to untill we come up with a specific rule for that.
So yes, we have proof from the user that he used the cheat. And that he shared it. He was lashed at for using it, was told to remove it, and eventually got banned. He was banned MAINLY for sharing it, and to some extent for using it, at some point in time, because as you said, it's not a thing we can control and check anytime as we please.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 03:06:26 pm
permamuted is not something even close to permaban. If u didn't want him to share it on forum, u could also permamute him. It doesn't stop u from playing.

About rules, still i don't get it. U said its not against the rules because u have no means to check it. If thats the only reason then why don't u ban those who posted screenshoots and videos on this forum, they exposed themselves and should be banned too? Because u 100% know that they use them, its on screenshoots!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 03:13:09 pm
First thread happened when I wasn't an admin, 2nd when I was only a trial admin - not much I could do...
Why do you feel it to be necessary to excuse yourself from some things, if you had no saying in it? perhaps your taking it to personal. But were not talking about you specificly, were talking about mods/admin team in general.
Let the Admins/Mods that were there speak up for their actions, and why they sat idle and even posted in those threads... while they should have been enforcing the rules. The community has the right to know, since we elected them and entrusted them with their jobs.
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Yes, i guess Mylot, was bored and had alot of time on it hands to write these down.
http://forum.melee.org/announcements/forum-rules/
And Admins / Moderators got selected to enforce these rules, whenever they seemed fit for themselves and with the approval of the general consensus.
Or perhaps he wrote these rules for admins/mods to enforce whenever trespassed, to avoid the community to become as cancerous and hypocrit as it is now and to avoid issue's  like these.. you know. just a thought
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 19, 2016, 03:20:37 pm
It all boils down to Krems being the only clean clan in crpg left.
Simply because we don't give a damn about our performances as long as we're having fun.
The true gaming spirit.


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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 19, 2016, 04:30:29 pm
14 pages of people arguing over whether or not Pandor should be unbanned, while Pandor himself clearly doesn't give a shit about the whole thing, that's kinda funny. Clearly if he did, he would write something more persuasive than a sarcastic story.

While using colored textures might be somewhat tolerable since you can't really forbid it properly, openly sharing such things obviously isn't tolerable, the ban is justified and even Pandor himself doesn't care enough to argue on it, yet other people do somehow.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 04:40:35 pm
14 pages of people arguing over whether or not Pandor should be unbanned, while Pandor himself clearly doesn't give a shit about the whole thing, that's kinda funny. Clearly if he did, he would write something more persuasive than a sarcastic story.

While using colored textures might be somewhat tolerable since you can't really forbid it properly, openly sharing such things obviously isn't tolerable, the ban is justified and even Pandor himself doesn't care enough to argue on it, yet other people do somehow.  :rolleyes:

Absurd, and repeated over and over. "its tolerable since you can't forbid it properly" - u can, put a rule up, u can't work out if anyone using it but if they caught should be banned then. Where is a rule about "openly sharing" forbidden??? Thats the problem they see it on forum, videos, streams and u think its normal if they use it then why not. And then sharing of this is somehow forbidden even tho nobody ever discussed it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 19, 2016, 04:41:29 pm
14 pages of people arguing over whether or not Pandor should be unbanned, while Pandor himself clearly doesn't give a shit about the whole thing, that's kinda funny. Clearly if he did, he would write something more persuasive than a sarcastic story.

While using colored textures might be somewhat tolerable since you can't really forbid it properly, openly sharing such things obviously isn't tolerable, the ban is justified and even Pandor himself doesn't care enough to argue on it, yet other people do somehow.  :rolleyes:

He's probably just created another account and is playing on that >_<
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 19, 2016, 04:47:46 pm
Absurd, and repeated over and over. "its tolerable since you can't forbid it properly" - u can, put a rule up, u can't work out if anyone using it but if they caught should be banned then. Where is a rule about "openly sharing" forbidden??? Thats the problem they see it on forum, videos, streams and u think its normal if they use it then why not. And then sharing of this is somehow forbidden even tho nobody ever discussed it.
By saying you can't forbid it properly I mean that you can't make sure people don't use it, and indeed you can't. Still doesn't mean it's ok.
And yes, no rule specifically forbids sharing any of such things, that's where my subjective "common sense" rule comes into play: I mean, come on, how douchy do you have to be to do something like that. But I'm no admin (fortunately, I guess), so my opinion doesn't really matter much.
Wouldn't you agree though, that openly sharing something considered a cheat is a harsher misdoing than just using it by yourself?

He's probably just created another account and is playing on that >_<
So not a big deal then, everyone is happy.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Arrowblood on March 19, 2016, 04:58:09 pm
Penis.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 19, 2016, 05:04:15 pm
Penis.
All of a sudden, here you come uglifying Panos' nickname, now that's really rude!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 05:10:34 pm
14 pages of people arguing over whether or not Pandor should be unbanned

Erm.. did you read all the pages?
I wish the issue was that narrow and simple.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 05:33:26 pm
By saying you can't forbid it properly I mean that you can't make sure people don't use it, and indeed you can't. Still doesn't mean it's ok.
And yes, no rule specifically forbids sharing any of such things, that's where my subjective "common sense" rule comes into play: I mean, come on, how douchy do you have to be to do something like that. But I'm no admin (fortunately, I guess), so my opinion doesn't really matter much.
Wouldn't you agree though, that openly sharing something considered a cheat is a harsher misdoing than just using it by yourself?
So not a big deal then, everyone is happy.

problem is - was it considered a cheat? when so many ppl showed screens and videos on forum and didn't get banned. Thats the problem. Before i didn't even know that so much crap on this forum and ppl didn't get banned for it. But pandor did. If its considered a cheat why those who posted their screenshoots with pink arrows wasn't banned? there is a proof, there is a cheat! So what this message says, everyone can use it just not to share it on forum. Interesting.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 07:22:56 pm
permamuted is not something even close to permaban. If u didn't want him to share it on forum, u could also permamute him. It doesn't stop u from playing.

About rules, still i don't get it. U said its not against the rules because u have no means to check it. If thats the only reason then why don't u ban those who posted screenshoots and videos on this forum, they exposed themselves and should be banned too? Because u 100% know that they use them, its on screenshoots!

Let me rephrase - I can't affect it, so I won't shoot blindly at people i think are cheating without any proof. Care wasn't the clearest word to use.

Nah man Nebun. Uthred said this earlier. Something about "shooting" people when caught cheating and proof is there.

I said it's not against the rules to use them

But now hes saying that it isnt against the rules to use it, so what does he mean with "cheats" and proof, and wasnt the "common sense" rule a thing to enforce on this ? But if it isnt agianst the rules, then on what ground can an admin ban people.
I guess  his opinions also change on the fly, just like the rules do.

Thats why im here questioning this sort of stuff. Guess at this point, the regime is getting kind of unpredictable and scary.
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dupre on March 19, 2016, 07:55:59 pm
Pandor is banned for trying to provide unfair/unrealistic/unapproved  texture changes to the community. http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/join-the-resistance-and-get-blaster-for-free/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/join-the-resistance-and-get-blaster-for-free/) and if you think using these arrow texture changes is fair to the community, you're an idiot and deserve to be banned.

Has nothing to do with him being Russian or anything to do with race.

These rules apply to official servers:
- EU_cRPG_x (1,2,3,4,5,6,8)
- NA_cRPG_x (1,2,3,6)

If your common sense is not working, here are some more specific guidelines. This is not an explicit list, common sense always overrides disputes. Do not come crying "it's not prohibited in the rules" if you invent a new creative way to be an idiot and get punished.


Ban is temporary. No more of these arrow texture changes, if you get caught, banned for a long time or permanent. I'll create an approved list and post it.

BTW Uther didn't ban Pandor, I did.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 08:01:21 pm
Pandor is banned for trying to provide unfair/unrealistic/unapproved  texture changes to the community. http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/join-the-resistance-and-get-blaster-for-free/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/join-the-resistance-and-get-blaster-for-free/) and if you think using these arrow texture changes is fair to the community, you're an idiot and deserve to be banned.

Has nothing to do with him being Russian or anything to do with race.
 

Ban is temporary. No more of these arrow texture changes, if you get caught, banned for a long time or permanent. I'll create an approved list and post it.

BTW Uther didn't ban Pandor, I did.

yes we know u did, but he was kind enough to reply to us in this thread.
If ban is temporary is there a way to find out when its expires?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 08:02:19 pm
If CMP made that rule in 2011 for the admins to act upon.
The admin team sure missed alot of idiots that found creative ways gain to an advantage. With screenshots, video's and links alike on the forum.
Shameful it had to start with Pandor in 2016
But im glad someone will take time to finally make a list.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dupre on March 19, 2016, 08:06:06 pm
If CMP made that rule in 2011 for the admins to act upon.
The admin team sure missed alot of idiots that found creative ways gain to an advantage.
Shameful it had to start with Pandor in 2016

Unfortunately the admin team in the past I guess didn't really care or take action on incidents like Pandors. To me, these texture changes are completely unfair and you can tell by the communities reaction that most think the same.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 08:11:23 pm
Unfortunately the admin team in the past I guess didn't really care or take action on incidents like Pandors. To me, these texture changes are completely unfair and you can tell by the communities reaction that most think the same.

Im glad you guys are working on getting the shit sorted, and hopefully the "list" you're working on will be uphold by every admin, no matter what their personal standpoints on them are.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 08:22:37 pm
Unfortunately the admin team in the past I guess didn't really care or take action on incidents like Pandors. To me, these texture changes are completely unfair and you can tell by the communities reaction that most think the same.

I agree, but players reaction often based on hate to UIF, russians, archers. Other posts and screenshoots from players went unnoticed and with no reaction.
I'm sure that if u post proposition to ban all DRZ players for example for no reason, u will get a lot of support from anti uif players + blackbow will be first to demand it, since its his dream to kick us out from crpg.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Kalp on March 19, 2016, 08:26:05 pm
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dupre on March 19, 2016, 08:28:02 pm
I agree, but players reaction often based on hate to UIF, russians, archers. Other posts and screenshoots from players went unnoticed and with no reaction.
I'm sure that if u post proposition to ban all DRZ players for example for no reason, u will get a lot of support from anti uif players + blackbow will be first to demand it, since its his dream to kick us out from crpg.

Now your just spitting bullshit and posting shit from 2014.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 19, 2016, 08:33:32 pm
Unfortunately the admin team in the past I guess didn't really care or take action on incidents like Pandors. To me, these texture changes are completely unfair and you can tell by the communities reaction that most think the same.

   We (in-game only admins) never had much of a leverage or decision power on these specific situations, other than report to the dev team since it was their call in the end regarding hacking/cheating issues. Pretty much what we did with this case now.

   
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 08:44:10 pm
Now your just spitting bullshit and posting shit from 2014.

I know its old, but why they wasn't banned? Not enough people raged in the topic?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 19, 2016, 08:49:24 pm
I know its old, but why they wasn't banned? Not enough people raged in the topic?

Because that was then and this is now.

Dude, it's from a year ago, if you seriously think nothing has changed since then you're a fool.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 08:58:45 pm
Because that was then and this is now.

Dude, it's from a year ago, if you seriously think nothing has changed since then you're a fool.

what have changed>? rules or admins? or the target of ban?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 19, 2016, 09:11:37 pm
what have changed>? rules or admins? or the target of ban?

☐ rules

☑ admins

☐ target (players in general, disregard status)


☑ massive rage whether a decision is taken or not, because people.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 09:16:25 pm
   We (in-game only admins) never had much of a leverage or decision power on these specific situations, other than report to the dev team since it was their call in the end regarding hacking/cheating issues. Pretty much what we did with this case now.

 

Dont worry Karasuru, I know you are very active in-game admin, and keep your personal opinion and admin privileges from mixing.

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Guray on March 19, 2016, 09:24:52 pm
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 19, 2016, 09:26:20 pm
Erm.. did you read all the pages?
I wish the issue was that narrow and simple.
Can't say I've read every post, but yeah, I went through all the pages. Did I miss something?

Using something like colored textures by yourself is lame and bad, yet people don't get banned for it because there's no reliable way to actually prevent anyone from using it.

But openly sharing this shit on forums is a whole other level of dickhead, and that's exactly what Pandor got banned for.

problem is - was it considered a cheat?
...
If its considered a cheat why those who posted their screenshoots with pink arrows wasn't banned?
I think you're missing the point. Try asking this question:
Has anyone in the past shared the semi-cheating shit on forums and got away with it unpunished?
I believe the answer is no.

So what this message says, everyone can use it just not to share it on forum. Interesting.
Yeah I think that's right. As long as very few people use it, it's not a big deal. If it's openly shared and published, then it's a problem.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 19, 2016, 09:28:57 pm
Can't say I've read every post, but yeah, I went through all the pages. Did I miss something?

You didnt, yes you missed alot.

I think you're missing the point. Try asking this question:
Has anyone in the past shared the semi-cheating shit on forums and got away with it unpunished?
I believe the answer is no.
Answer is Yes
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Please Macropus... read up. and spare us from having to repeat stuff to you, cause you came late and didnt bother to read everthing.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 19, 2016, 09:33:34 pm
You didnt, yes you missed alot.
Well, shit. My whole point kinda went out the window.
Guess I should crawl back to my cave and reread the thread. My apologies.

Even though I still think sharing such hacks should be bannable, in this case it should've been applied from the start or not come into play at all. 
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 01:24:31 am
only good thing that came out of russia in this mod is ivani4, now that he's gone you have nothing!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 20, 2016, 04:06:01 am
Pandor is banned for trying to provide unfair/unrealistic/unapproved  texture changes to the community. http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/join-the-resistance-and-get-blaster-for-free/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/join-the-resistance-and-get-blaster-for-free/) and if you think using these arrow texture changes is fair to the community, you're an idiot and deserve to be banned.

Has nothing to do with him being Russian or anything to do with race.
 

Ban is temporary. No more of these arrow texture changes, if you get caught, banned for a long time or permanent. I'll create an approved list and post it.

BTW Uther didn't ban Pandor, I did.

I would also argue that perhaps its a good idea to revisit the Common Sense rule?

If the admins back then did not seem it fit to ban those threads, and to enforce the common sense rule.... Then perhaps its not very common for admins and others to share the same "common sense" ?   :oops:

Dunno.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: SayAttack on March 20, 2016, 07:38:43 am
Quote from: Nebun on March 19, 2016, 08:22:37 pm
I agree, but players reaction often based on hate to UIF, russians, archers. Other posts and screenshoots from players went unnoticed and with no reaction.
I'm sure that if u post proposition to ban all DRZ players for example for no reason, u will get a lot of support from anti uif players + blackbow will be first to demand it, since its his dream to kick us out from crpg.

Now your just spitting bullshit and posting shit from 2014.

u should go on eu1 and watch that rusophob peace of trash...today, in 2016...not in 2014 when he wasnt an admin
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 20, 2016, 09:17:02 am
u should go on eu1 and watch that rusophob peace of trash...today, in 2016...not in 2014 when he wasnt an admin
Says the guy who has been banned several times for team killing, team hitting lately and leeching just yesterday.
In case you're Russian, stop feeding the stereotype, please.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: SayAttack on March 20, 2016, 09:37:39 am
Says the guy who has been banned several times for team killing, team hitting lately and leeching just yesterday.
In case you're Russian, stop feeding the stereotype, please.

here u go lol)  do u rly think that im breaking rules just bcoz im russian? or idk...panos muted all the just bcoz he is greek? wtf u chocolate chip cookie scum talking about
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 20, 2016, 09:39:10 am
here u go lol)  do u rly think that im breaking rules just bcoz im russian? or idk...panos muted all the just bcoz he is greek? wtf u chocolate chip cookie scum talking about
Please, keep proving their points :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 20, 2016, 09:47:14 am
Me after thread went trash:

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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 20, 2016, 09:51:13 am
only good thing that came out of russia in this mod is ivani4, now that he's gone you have nothing!
They say Ivani4 modified his textures too, he made other players' weapons invisible!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: SayAttack on March 20, 2016, 10:13:21 am
Please, keep proving their points :lol:

whos points? i heard it from u bitch. tons of ppl was banned and will be banned, but u and other shit like u trying bring it in nationality stuf. admin spreading rusophob shit on eu1, your points is:"its ok, coz u r russian and u was banned yesterday" and u r...green nickname whats this? moderator?)
 oh I forgot...krems scum.  got it)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 20, 2016, 10:17:04 am
whos points? i heard it from u bitch. tons of ppl was banned and will be banned, but u and other shit like u trying bring it in nationality stuf. admin spreading rusophob shit on eu1, your points is:"its ok, coz u r russian and u was banned yesterday" and u r...green nickname whats this? moderator?)
You might wanna go to my first post on this page and re-read it because it's rather obvious you did not understand it.
Besides, there should be quite a few - most likely Russian - players around who can vouch for me not being 'Russophob' :wink:

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Perverz on March 20, 2016, 10:17:35 am
i heard it from u bitch....krems scum. 

Please, keep proving their points :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 20, 2016, 11:09:11 am
Says the guy who has been banned several times for team killing, team hitting lately and leeching just yesterday.
In case you're Russian, stop feeding the stereotype, please.
He gave me his looms and what have you done, first do the same then judge  :lol:
Many Krems leech everyday and use macro voice spam until brain damage but nobody care because some fin is here developer.

And if Blackbow or some yugo trash talk about russians then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5DcZ-rDNI
 
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 20, 2016, 11:16:41 am
He gave me his looms and what have you done
man, that's some signature-worthy shit  :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 11:22:29 am
Aw this is pure gold, 10 posts no avatar guys coming out the woodwork posting sig worthy gems, pls send more goons I'm loving this.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 20, 2016, 11:28:30 am
He wasnt banned because he was a cheating scumbag that posted his own evidence against himself and taunted admins, and even provided a link for downloading the modified textures.

No, no, no, He was banned because he was Russian!!!!!111111one GASP

Injustice!!!!!111

Naci Badmins cyka
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: SayAttack on March 20, 2016, 11:50:24 am
yeah, now i see  "players around" and other rubbish shit who have that "points" ... and they have avatars!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 12:00:26 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


nope, still doesn't make sense, I tried ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 20, 2016, 12:03:30 pm
Aw this is pure gold, 10 posts no avatar guys coming out the woodwork posting sig worthy gems, pls send more goons I'm loving this.

I have no barbie too  :lol:

You as croat should get some things in your brain, nebun is f.ex. from moldavia. So if you call people from different countries all russians and say that russians are cancer of every community then there can be something wrong with your world. Some people call people like you yugo-bauer but i dont do that.  :lol:

man, that's some signature-worthy shit  :lol:

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/3-away/

I like this one too but you should quote me in the right way.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Krave on March 20, 2016, 12:43:35 pm
Many Krems leech everyday and use macro voice spam until brain damage but nobody care because some fin is here developer.
use macro voice spam until brain damage
macro voice spam

Voice chat cheating revealed! I wish we could ban all Krems... Sadly we can't becouse Somefin is developer :C
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Pandor_Archer on March 20, 2016, 01:06:45 pm
14 pages of people arguing over whether or not Pandor should be unbanned, while Pandor himself clearly doesn't give a shit about the whole thing, that's kinda funny. Clearly if he did, he would write something more persuasive than a sarcastic story.

While using colored textures might be somewhat tolerable since you can't really forbid it properly, openly sharing such things obviously isn't tolerable, the ban is justified and even Pandor himself doesn't care enough to argue on it, yet other people do somehow.  :rolleyes:
Seems like u dont bother ureself with reading, i argue alot in previous threads, and i found it useless to talk with touse ppl. Simple example:
He wasnt banned because he was a cheating scumbag that posted his own evidence against himself and taunted admins, and even provided a link for downloading the modified textures.

No, no, no, He was banned because he was Russian!!!!!111111one GASP

Injustice!!!!!111

Naci Badmins cyka
After 5 pages of facts why this ban look like racism.

Here is how the situation went down in the day after Pandor posted his thread, and AFTER he was asked to remove the link but it was still there
Well thats a lie, link was removed instantly after i was asked.

Green arrows do gives u advantage, but i was using it not to gain an advantage. (Dont really count any archer in crpg as thread to me exept bagge mb). I did it for more comfortable archer gameplay. Otherwise why would i share it with commmunity? Surely not to have an advantage over other players.
I still believe that its not actually cheat. Coz same way u can call cheat native arrows, horse sound and etc...(in my opininon lauder horse sound gives even more advantage to archer then green arrows.) But still if there was a rule that forbid useage of green arrows i would not use it for sure.
And dont tell me about some mystical common sense, since everyone have their own common sence.
Sorry that im not hypocrite enough to write a non sarcastic essay.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 20, 2016, 01:20:45 pm
He gave me his looms and what have you done, first do the same then judge  :lol:
Many Krems leech everyday and use macro voice spam until brain damage but nobody care because some fin is here developer.

And if Blackbow or some yugo trash talk about russians then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5DcZ-rDNI


AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Wait, you're really that delusional?

here u go lol)  do u rly think that im breaking rules just bcoz im russian? or idk...panos muted all the just bcoz he is greek? wtf u chocolate chip cookie scum talking about

To be honest with you, I think you break rules because you're a cunt. However by you acting like a cunt you only add to the stereotype placed upon you.

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 20, 2016, 03:26:30 pm
Good impromptu post littered with sarcasm.

We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac and what it means to be American.

I think this person should write and essay on , why its dumb and pointless to attempt to win the love of the forum idiots by making stupid jokes that adress Pandor being russian in a way, even if it was sarcasm or because its popular and trending on this forum , and by doing so even adding more insult to injury to a player that already got banned.

And when shit starts also because of his actions, then simply vanishes and not take responsibility for his actions. I dunno since we havent heard of him we can only assume, or is this simply something we can keep expecting and take for granted in these situations?
Im not taunting, im simply curious why all this sudden he left the scene and let other admins clean up behind him.

Admin Nightingale, from start was ontop of the whole ban thing on Pandor with devotion.
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You have until I get a forum moderator to remove this thread to remove that link; If you fail to do so before I get a moderator you will be permanently banned.
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He will never be allowed to post on the forums again if I have any say in it. Also my threat of permanent ban is without appeal if conditions are not met.
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Also be sure to go and remove all of your other evidence of cheating from this forum; I will be opening a discussion to see what is to be done about you in the mean time.
... even tho he has been Admin in ?-2013-2014 till november and got re-assgined on ?date? , but totally missed all those other cheat distribution threads, screenshots, video's?

Or am i wrong to question this and ask for clearance? I believe that everything that has some kind of status also has some sort of power,  and history tells us that power will always corrupt... unless we question it and are allowed to.  If it can no longer be questioned... then we wil get some scary situatons, like dictators etc..

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 20, 2016, 03:43:47 pm
You have a very loose understanding of what a fact is, comrade Pandor.

But i agree, this is all due to neonaci captialist dogs infiltrating admins of crpg and hate the motherland. release this man. He banned cause he strong rus bear sing national anthem in chat. Captialist pig naci admins scared of stronk rus men ban. Green arrows only weak excuse bljat!!!!

If someone came and posted blatant cheating and texture changing on the forums, provided a download link, taunted admins he wouldnt get banned at all!!!! Only if he rus because racism

Sad day for motherland

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 04:14:31 pm
I have no barbie too  :lol:


Wai? You have something against barbie?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 20, 2016, 05:52:48 pm
Wai? You have something against barbie?
Is he a racist? Barbie-phob??? ((((((((((
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 20, 2016, 06:01:40 pm
I like real pi...s :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 06:51:53 pm
I like real pi...s :lol:

You like real pidors? Ok man, your sexual preference is your choice, I bet it's not easy being openly gay in russia I commend your bravery.


Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 20, 2016, 07:11:22 pm
Hey brave Croatians ! You need barrel of ice water after posting.


Be like real hero and do the same 2 times in the row !
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 07:19:04 pm
This is supposed to be insulting to me? The cringe is real, keep it up.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Harpag on March 20, 2016, 07:32:20 pm
Are you prefer stfu?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 20, 2016, 08:05:07 pm
You like real pidors? Ok man, your sexual preference is your choice, I bet it's not easy being openly gay in russia I commend your bravery.

Na pičkas ofc.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 20, 2016, 08:13:55 pm
Mr 1000 keys multiaccounting scumbag Harpag trying to insult someone. Oh boy  :oops: :oops: :oops:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 20, 2016, 08:15:22 pm
I think this person should write and essay on , why its dumb and pointless to attempt to win the love of the forum idiots by making stupid jokes that adress Pandor being russian in a way, even if it was sarcasm or because its popular and trending on this forum , and by doing so even adding more insult to injury to a player that already got banned.

Not sure what you mean - Pandor's initial response was a joke. So I responded with the same conviction he was addressing the admin team with. I don't know when or how you came to think I care about my perceived popularity on some game forum. He is wasting the entire admin team's time with his creation of this thread. Therefore, I have no respect for his time either.

And when shit starts also because of his actions, then simply vanishes and not take responsibility for his actions. I dunno since we havent heard of him we can only assume, or is this simply something we can keep expecting and take for granted in these situations?
Im not taunting, im simply curious why all this sudden he left the scene and let other admins clean up behind him.

Soon after giving Pandor the warning and ban I opened a poll in admin forum to address the issue there rather than here. So I'd like to know what "responsibilities" that you think I'm avoiding that I'm "obligated" to do? You can with 100% certainty expect me to continue to behave the same way I've always behaved.

Admin Nightingale, from start was ontop of the whole ban thing on Pandor with devotion. ... even tho he has been Admin in ?-2013-2014 till november and got re-assgined on ?date? , but totally missed all those other cheat distribution threads, screenshots, video's?

The reason for my immediate action regarding Pandor is not unwarranted; He posted access to cheating. Multiple admins were already discussing tag team banning him (Bronto NA and Tamra EU) and Uther had already verbally warned Pandor? Twice? No, I have not missed the other threads with screenshots and other videos. The primary difference is they did not give access to the cheating material for everyone to use and publically flaunt it on the forums as if to be advertising.

I'm not sure exactly when I decided to "officially" resigned but I should probably edit that out since I'm clearly still here. Just haven't been bothered enough to change it really.

Or am i wrong to question this and ask for clearance? I believe that everything that has some kind of status also has some sort of power,  and history tells us that power will always corrupt... unless we question it and are allowed to.  If it can no longer be questioned... then we wil get some scary situatons, like dictators etc..

Implying that I'm corrupted by my "internet power" is laughable but even still. I suppose you take your reputation on this game more seriously than I do so I can see why you feel compelled to question admin actions. Especially since in the past have cheated in this very same way.

Yesterday I bumped the conversation in admin forums as no specific ban duration has been decided. Though Permanent forum mute was pretty unanimous.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 20, 2016, 08:25:04 pm
Are you prefer stfu?

Yeah, I'd prefer you stfu
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Casul on March 20, 2016, 09:24:34 pm
If I ever want to suffer from cancer I will read in this thread again.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Perverz on March 20, 2016, 09:28:15 pm
Hey brave Croatians ! You need barrel of ice water after posting.


Be like real hero and do the same 2 times in the row !

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Guray on March 20, 2016, 09:46:39 pm
No, I have not missed the other threads with screenshots and other videos. The primary difference is they did not give access to the cheating material for everyone to use and publically flaunt it on the forums as if to be advertising.


Actually they did give access to the cheating metarial.  Only difference is that Dupre edited the posts so there are no links anymore.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 20, 2016, 11:05:50 pm
The reason for my immediate action regarding Pandor is not unwarranted; He posted access to cheating. Multiple admins were already discussing tag team banning him (Bronto NA and Tamra EU) and Uther had already verbally warned Pandor? Twice? No, I have not missed the other threads with screenshots and other videos. The primary difference is they did not give access to the cheating material for everyone to use and publically flaunt it on the forums as if to be advertising.

(click to show/hide)
Thanks for your response, but its only half a a response to the question i gave you. sure video and screenshots. np i can understand. But you're completely ignoring the Cheat Threads i asked you about, were they DID distribute them.
So ill post them again, but they are edited and links removed, since we brought them up.


blah blah blah
why try hard and fix game to make it better if it is easier ban Russian cheater so it will calm dawn morons from forum and ensure their love


just quick search

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/my-hacks-%28fun-color-editing%29/msg941243/?topicseen#msg941243

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/h0w-to-b3-g00d-w1th-free-downl0ad/msg1052122/?topicseen#msg1052122

Realy, there's more of these posts, that fall well into your timeline of being admin.

Not sure what you mean - Pandor's initial response was a joke. So I responded with the same conviction he was addressing the admin team with. I don't know when or how you came to think I care about my perceived popularity on some game forum. He is wasting the entire admin team's time with his creation of this thread. Therefore, I have no respect for his time either.

Did Pandor in his "essay" adress any nationalities? No.  By wich reason  did you bring up his in a way ?

Implying that I'm corrupted by my "internet power" is laughable but even still. I suppose you take your reputation on this game more seriously than I do so I can see why you feel compelled to question admin actions. Especially since in the past have cheated in this very same way.

Yesterday I bumped the conversation in admin forums as no specific ban duration has been decided. Though Permanent forum mute was pretty unanimous.
Please do point out where i imply that you specifically are corrupted.
In the past cheated? the very same way? Please show me where i'm shooting green arrows boxes, like the one Pandor had.
And what has reputation to do with questioning people, you mean you need to have some sort of reputation or status to be allowed to do this? Im not only questioning admins, i questioned alot of players in this thread too, even friends.
What exactly makes you think, that i think i even have some sort of reputation and take this seriously?
But please, do tell me Nightingale. What is my reputation on this game, wich you say i have?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 21, 2016, 01:37:50 am
Yesterday I bumped the conversation in admin forums as no specific ban duration has been decided. Though Permanent forum mute was pretty unanimous. [/color]

It may sound like its not that bad, but after a week u still undecided on duration. It could take day, month or u just unban him after mele release.

Questioning admins judgement is good, if judgment is bad, we don't live in North Korea or Saudi Arabia so i guess it should be possible! Don't u agree Nightingale?
And having admins that openly hate and express they hate for other nations probably a bad idea. People like this should be regular players with occasional bans like Panos gets all the time.
And don't feed us that common sense crap, it just means u can do what u want and justify with this.

A little research on youtube and found a lot more cheaters, without bushes or leaves etc. They play this game and feel just great, and guess what they not in UIF.

If this in a grey area and u don't know how to act u should have given clear warning instead of perma ban. Remove his thread or make him remove link - which he did! Then make proper rule set. Its not difficult, if u lack logic i can help u with rules!  U don't even need to include all list of whats bannable from modifications, u can simple provide the list of what is not bannable.

If we have this situation right now with Pindor, it means u've done a bad job over the year by not making proper rules, since this cheats showed up on this forums in the past. U could have working something out back then.
And it doesn't matter if u can find out how many ppl cheat, because some will always fuck up and post it on forum or utube and at list u can ban those and put fear into others.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Guray on March 21, 2016, 02:15:00 am
Probably Dupre missed it but the link still exists. Perhaps edit it out too.

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/h0w-to-b3-g00d-w1th-free-downl0ad/
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 21, 2016, 02:58:22 am
Actually they did give access to the cheating metarial.  Only difference is that Dupre edited the posts so there are no links anymore.


Hes only talking about the threads with video's and screenshots. Hes has not adressed provided threads with links to cheat downloads.

Admin Nightingale, from start was ontop of the whole ban thing on Pandor with devotion. ... even tho he has been Admin in ?-2013-2014 till november and got re-assgined on ?date? , but totally missed all those other cheat distribution threads, screenshots, video's?

No, I have not missed the other threads with screenshots and other videos. The primary difference is they did not give access to the cheating material.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 21, 2016, 04:27:42 am
Thanks for your response, but its only half a a response to the question i gave you. sure video and screenshots. np i can understand. But you're completely ignoring the Cheat Threads i asked you about, were they DID distribute them.
So ill post them again, but they are edited and links removed, since we brought them up.


I'll have dupre remove the link later; I don't particularly recall L1fe's thread which is convenient for me I suppose. I did -1 it a long time ago so I did see it but probably much after it was posted. I do also believe there was an admin discussion regarding L1fe's thread; so I would have had no reason to post.

Did Pandor in his "essay" adress any nationalities? No.  By wich reason  did you bring up his in a way ?


I did not bring up his nationality. You are mistaking me with someone else. His nationality was never an issue?

In the past cheated? the very same way? Please show me where i'm shooting green arrows boxes, like the one Pandor had.

I specifically recall you having rainbow arrows I'm not going to be bothered to go find the thread.

And what has reputation to do with questioning people, you mean you need to have some sort of reputation or status to be allowed to do this? Im not only questioning admins, i questioned alot of players in this thread too, even friends.
What exactly makes you think, that i think i even have some sort of reputation and take this seriously?

Perhaps you don't care and I'm completely wrong. I do however, personally think you are more deeply invested in this situation than you'd like to bring to light. In part due to your history of using the same kind of texture cheating. If you've moved on and stopped cheating then good for you +1; if not don't flaunt it on the forums. You can say what you want about this particular situation; but it comes down to how he behaved, what he did, and his blatant disregard of the warnings by other admins and general consensus.

It may sound like its not that bad, but after a week u still undecided on duration. It could take day, month or u just unban him after mele release.

It isn't bad at all; giving the most time for the most amount of admins to give an opinion on it as possible; the duration of the ban has not yet been decided but needless to say the ban time will be determined by the initial ban date. Meaning he has already begun the ban duration despite no decision on specific timeline.

Questioning admins judgement is good, if judgment is bad, we don't live in North Korea or Saudi Arabia so i guess it should be possible! Don't u agree Nightingale?

If I didn't agree with this I wouldn't even care to reply to you as your voice would literally mean nothing.

And having admins that openly hate and express they hate for other nations probably a bad idea. People like this should be regular players with occasional bans like Panos gets all the time.

Again; same as Jambi you have me confused with someone else, I never once in the entirety of my existence in this community spoke ill of any specific nationality or race of people. If I treat you poorly it's because you are treating me poorly and don't deserve my respect.

And don't feed us that common sense crap, it just means u can do what u want and justify with this.

Tbvh it is as simple as common sense I'm truly sorry if you can't comprehend the amount of idiocy it would take to continue to flaunt his stuff all over the forums after so many warnings, so many threats of ban. He continued to do it. Why should we treat him with any level of respect? Also, don't give me any of that bullshit where you point fingers and decide I'm Anti-Russian because I've banned a member of Druzhina.

A little research on youtube and found a lot more cheaters, without bushes or leaves etc. They play this game and feel just great, and guess what they not in UIF.

Again, I don't care as it is not on forums.

If this in a grey area and u don't know how to act u should have given clear warning instead of perma ban. Remove his thread or make him remove link - which he did!

I'm not one to normally throw people under the bus, I don't mind steaming piles of bullshit being thrown at me in every direction, but this time, I can't even say I was the one to ban Pandor; After he complied and removed his link. I opened the thread in the admin forum to come to a decision there; Dupre is the one that globally banned him while we make our decision. I'll give you the facts; I gave him a very clear verbal warning and stated my opinion regarding his should be access to our forums. He did comply and remove his link which was the end of my involvement outside of the private admin forum discussion. Until the beginning of this thread and now since it was brought to my attention people were directing responses towards me.


If we have this situation right now with Pindor, it means u've done a bad job over the year by not making proper rules, since this cheats showed up on this forums in the past. U could have working something out back then.
And it doesn't matter if u can find out how many ppl cheat, because some will always fuck up and post it on forum or utube and at list u can ban those and put fear into others.

Again, I've only verbally warned pandor and prompted admin discussion privately, If you think that is a "bad job" then I will gladly accept that I'm a bad admin. Whatever we can do to minimize people gaining undeserved advantages; should be done. A further note on creating a new rule was brought up in the admin discussion. However, I personally believe the rules already cover this type of thing.

Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 21, 2016, 05:33:20 am
Nightingale, only first part of message was to u. The rest for all.
Admin with anti russian hate speeches is BlackBow.

The bad job part is: that if all this situation with Pandor is so horrible to you that u begun whole this process, then why there was no actions taken in the past to others. Also u said its unfair to use advantages and it was covered in rules in the past, sorry didn't find colored weapons in rules and yes i agree unfair. And even if u don't share them its still unfair - so they should have all been banned. Then if this would be in rules Pandor should have been banned along with all others posting screens on forum. Then it would be fair.
And the guy who even shared them on forum, and u said u -1 him. Sorry again but difference between -1 and ban for a week that keeps going is a bit too big. So why should we believe that u judge both of this equal situations in the same way, if one isn't punished and the other one is? Did u see how many -1s that guy had???? Even more then pandor.
Its the same as giving one guy warning for murder and another one u just hang for the same thing.

Bad job is that u knew about all this issues and never made ur stance clear on them, never pointed out line that shouldn't be crossed. This given pandor chance to use it and think its normal, and even share it like it was done before. Yes its stupid, but not bannable, or if bannable then everyone should have been banned!

Also, i can understand that mod is not as popular anymore and less ppl playing, and admins grow lazy and don't want to improve things, rules, management. Then why ban pandor? So much effort, internal discussions. When u always ignored such issues in the past. Why bother?

Looking at all of this i'm 99% sure its because of personal opinion of 1 or more admins that he got banned. And its based on feelings towards Pindor, Class, Clan or nationality. Could be any of this, but since not many ppl communicate with pindor i would say any of the last 3. However since no archer who provided screenshoots of coloured arrows got banned in the past, probably its last 2. But after well spent time with BlackBow on eu1, when he eventually explains to me why he hates all russians and tells me that we should be kicked from eu servers and make our own - i don't even know what to pick: clan or nationality.

All i'm asking for is equal treatment and clear rules. Rules i assume are in the making but equal treatment no.




Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 21, 2016, 05:57:50 am

My apologies for thinking you were referring to me as against certain nationalities

Personal opinion is a big part of every decision; it is my opinion that this is okay. So long as there are others freely giving their opinions as well. You may think I acted on a random whim but really my actions were to minimize the spread of his texture.

Every single person has biases that is an unfortunate fact of human behavior. While that doesn't make Blackbow's anti-Russian speeches okay but I'm also not sure how you want me to proceed regarding that either as that isn't my decision to make and I know nothing of the issue there.

To keep my explanation short; I've done what I would have always done. Warn for link ask to remove then open admin discussion which has happened in the past. Other threads with distribution received the same treatment from me; Had I been the first to see them I would've responded the same. I have no proof for this so you'll have to take my word for it. This time is only different in that before admins have reached their decision the ban was preemptively applied. Which can be interpreted as mal-practice or completely justified; that line is drawn in different places by different people. I again do not like throwing people under the bus but dupre could have waited for admins to finish their discussion.

It is my opinion the preemptive ban is of minimal importance. What is important is the final decision regarding this issue. Which has yet to be concluded.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 21, 2016, 05:58:45 am
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Gurnisson on March 21, 2016, 09:22:13 am
Do you have examples of Blackbow's racism towards russians?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: McKli_PL on March 21, 2016, 09:24:04 am
@Gurni 
rofl,u need a printscreen portfolio  :?: :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 21, 2016, 10:27:56 am
@Gurni 
rofl,u need a printscreen portfolio  :?: :lol:
How about proof?
And we're not talking random snippets from some diplomacy strat thread but circumstances he clearly expressed anti-Russian sentiments while acting as an admin.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 21, 2016, 11:55:10 am
Good golly miss Molly..
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: vipere on March 21, 2016, 12:16:53 pm
Do you have examples of Blackbow's racism towards russians?

this arrow hack is pure shame true archers dont need dis ...

those russians always need to hax coz bad ... crpg made me racist against dem !!


+ Eu1 every time druzhinas archers are online.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 21, 2016, 12:24:56 pm
I see now. It has now become clear that Pandor wasnt banned because he was a cheating scumbag with green arrows while taunting admins and providing a download link for the exploit. Blackbows mission is to remove all russians from the mod and he must have influenced the other admins for this decision. Clearly Russians are targeted.

THATS RACIST!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 21, 2016, 01:13:38 pm
How about proof?
And we're not talking random snippets from some diplomacy strat thread but circumstances he clearly expressed anti-Russian sentiments while acting as an admin.

I didn't make screenshoots because didn't think i will need to mention this anywhere and didn't plan to ban him. But i'm sure a lot of ppl who play at night knows and i can only call witnesses. Like Lunasa said for example. I've had discussion with him about this for a good bit of time right in the chat and everyone read it. So not hard to work out.
I wouldn't even bring it up if not for this situation.
He isn't the only one who is doing that, but only one that i've seen from admins.
I could understand him hating Pindor for green arrows or me for headshooting him all the time, but i don't understand what does it have to do with russian nation.
I'm personally against radical nationalism of any kind and hate on national level. I dislike BBow too now for what he said multiple times, but i can't say i hate all french because of him or they all scum of the world, because its stupid. 

TO HESKEYTIME:
if as they said they will discuss this situation with all admins and make them vote or something on this issue that means BBow will be there too. So all connected
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: hellou on March 21, 2016, 01:28:52 pm
+ Eu1 every time druzhinas archers are online.

Shittalking is not racism, its much more an important component of crpg  :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 21, 2016, 01:33:19 pm
Shittalking is not racism, its much more an important component of crpg  :lol:

Shittalking is key component to any community i can enjoy, this is why vanguard is best guard.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 21, 2016, 01:50:56 pm
i would agree if he would shit talk about me or my clan :)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 21, 2016, 03:42:13 pm
I didn't make screenshoots because didn't think i will need to mention this anywhere and didn't plan to ban him. But i'm sure a lot of ppl who play at night knows and i can only call witnesses. Like Lunasa said for example. I've had discussion with him about this for a good bit of time right in the chat and everyone read it. So not hard to work out.
I wouldn't even bring it up if not for this situation.
He isn't the only one who is doing that, but only one that i've seen from admins.
I could understand him hating Pindor for green arrows or me for headshooting him all the time, but i don't understand what does it have to do with russian nation.
I'm personally against radical nationalism of any kind and hate on national level. I dislike BBow too now for what he said multiple times, but i can't say i hate all french because of him or they all scum of the world, because its stupid. 

TO HESKEYTIME:
if as they said they will discuss this situation with all admins and make them vote or something on this issue that means BBow will be there too. So all connected
Well, if you wanna file an official complaint, I'm afraid witnesses are not good enough of proof.
But if you or others actually feel discriminated by an admin - any admin - because of your nationality then please bring it to our attention with good, solid proof. Otherwise there is no way for anyone to act upon it.
I can guarantee you that this specific ban for Pandor is in no way related to his nationality but only to his very own 'stupidity', pardon my French.
I might be wrong but I don't think that Blackbow even has access to the admin forum part yet - he certainly did not take part in the current and ongoing discussion about Pandor.
But I'm afraid you have to take my word for it.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Mr.K. on March 21, 2016, 04:05:01 pm
+ Eu1 every time druzhinas archers are online.

And he calls me a swedish pussy and my playstyle as "russian". Never been banned for either... It's just banter and everyone knows Blackbow isn't a badmin, just bad.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 21, 2016, 04:40:35 pm
And he calls me a swedish pussy and my playstyle as "russian". Never been banned for either... It's just banter and everyone knows Blackbow isn't a badmin, just bad.

I can determine a joke. It doesn't come with 1hr explanation on why he hates all russians.
I never had intent to ban or complain on BlackBow as i said. As long as he doesn't go nuts and start banning all DRZ members on server. But who knows how many admins like him, i hope its just 1.

Molly:
Yes Pandor did something stupid, we all agreed on that. And u keep going to this. But others did same thing in the past and got completely different admin reaction then him, why?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 21, 2016, 04:43:21 pm
So why would any admin in their right-mind ever consider unbanning you?

I still believe that its not actually cheat.

I can't believe people are raging over the fact that tinkering with your models and textures client side should be restricted or overseen.

Now here is a suggestion. Some servers have the restriction on, some have it off, and you can decide where you want to play. And if you really want to play with your unicorn on the restricted servers, you put it into the review process.

Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...

yes

Perhaps since providing links to "cheats" in the past people didnt get banned/muted for when posting them and even when "flaunting them" and the "common sense" rule was diffrent back then.
(click to show/hide)

But only since general concensus changed, and an admin played upon this favourable suddently. It turned into cheating from admins perspective. And Pandor had all the right to question this.
It became a problem only, when Pandor decided to do it.

I'll have dupre remove the link later; I don't particularly recall L1fe's thread which is convenient for me I suppose.
Thanks, you proven a point.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 21, 2016, 04:44:11 pm
Shittalking is key component to any community i can enjoy, this is why vanguard is best guard.

I feel like I'm missing something here, I don't see many VG's whining in game or out, to be honest I've found it's mostly mercs that do the most whining (At least in game), idk, maybe you're in the server when I'm not..?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 21, 2016, 04:52:11 pm
I feel like I'm missing something here, I don't see many VG's whining in game or out, to be honest I've found it's mostly mercs that do the most whining (At least in game), idk, maybe you're in the server when I'm not..?

Shittalking is no problem, and when done modestly in-game i dont see much of a problem. But i think it does become a problem, when it happens frequently.. and targeted at the same group. You could argue its not shittalking anymore, but there's something more going on.

I guess VG shittalking doesnt "stick out enough". And any Vanguard, correct me if i'm wrong... But i think Vanguard rarely plays CRPG dedicated anymore. Since RIP Mod, obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 21, 2016, 05:02:56 pm
I feel like I'm missing something here, I don't see many VG's whining in game or out, to be honest I've found it's mostly mercs that do the most whining (At least in game), idk, maybe you're in the server when I'm not..?

Well obviously because youre never on teamspeak, we trashtalk eachother quite a lot, a ton some would say. At least the byzantium part, and rufio.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 21, 2016, 05:17:23 pm
The only point you've managed to prove is your inability to read. I highly recommend general education. It will give you the tools to improve your abilities with reading comprehension and properly communicate your expressed opinions.

I've just now come to realize that you've been a complete and utter waste my time; Dupre already responded to your questions, answered them, explained the situation. Uthyr has done the same and a great many of other people. I've also answered your questions unaware that they had been answered upwards of 3 to however many times. Stop wasting people's time.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 21, 2016, 05:46:59 pm
Ok just to end this all for me, i would like to know.
Did any of the admins think that ban was unfair considering all provided info in this topic? Maybe some changed their mind?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 21, 2016, 06:11:10 pm
Ok just to end this all for me, i would like to know.
Did any of the admins think that ban was unfair considering all provided info in this topic? Maybe some changed their mind?
I feel save to say that the permanent ban is most likely not going to happen which is partly due to this topic.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: _Tamra_ on March 21, 2016, 06:33:26 pm
I'm not followed up here, mostly cause it's a dumb try-hard drama from my point of view, not worth anybodies time. So I might repeat stuff in my only post here.
It's not the first time there were such incidents about altering textures in-game to gain unfair advantages. Not like there were any bans these days.
Even DRZ have to admit that Pandor "went full retard" though, via several forum posts.

It seems like he got banned by the decision of a minority of admins quickly; not even mentioning the great admin discussion.

What to do?
Putting up new rules for example seems to be late, on a serious note who gives a fuck anyway, you just don't have to be Pandor to keep it hidden. He wasn't the first, and if he stays banned, he wouldn't be the last.
It's impossible to check unless somebody adds a file-scan to the launcher of cRPG every start, I highly doubt that will happen.

I feel save to say that the permanent ban is most likely not going to happen which is partly due to this topic.
This. But one might ban Pandor on the forums to protect us from his retardness. Just what the poll in the admin section led to.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 21, 2016, 06:35:05 pm
Well obviously because youre never on teamspeak, we trashtalk eachother quite a lot, a ton some would say. At least the byzantium part, and rufio.
True, I don't come on the TS often :p
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: vipere on March 21, 2016, 06:47:48 pm
I only trashtalk corsair
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 21, 2016, 06:51:17 pm
I only trashtalk corsair

Oh yeah, well corsair trolls anyone not bright enough to see his obvious traps. Corsair deserves it  :)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 21, 2016, 07:21:58 pm
I hope it's not too much due to this topic.

No, from the very start majority considered a lighter approach since rules weren't "most specific" in this case. This thread had little to no impact, other than headaches and lol content.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 21, 2016, 07:24:24 pm
The only point you've managed to prove is your inability to read. I highly recommend general education. It will give you the tools to improve your abilities with reading comprehension and properly communicate your expressed opinions.

I've just now come to realize that you've been a complete and utter waste my time; Dupre already responded to your questions, answered them, explained the situation. Uthyr has done the same and a great many of other people. I've also answered your questions unaware that they had been answered upwards of 3 to however many times. Stop wasting people's time.

next year i will go to Russia, and take best education. Im working on it, i dont need your recommendation, so please dont waste your precious time.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dupre on March 21, 2016, 07:33:29 pm
He's possibly the least senior admin out of all of them. And although I'm willing to believe a discussion was had with certain admins, this ban was made by Dupre in a time where Dupre notoriously doesn't respond to PMs or messages even from other admins. Benefit of the doubt that maybe he read some of the discussion, but I think it's likely he made up his own mind.

So why would any admin in their right-mind ever consider unbanning you?


I try my best to answer all PMs!  :lol: Sometimes I get a bunch which overlap the new ones on the front page in my inbox and I end up forgetting about them for a bit.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Austrian on March 21, 2016, 07:42:41 pm

I try my best to answer all PMs!  :lol: Sometimes I get a bunch which overlap the new ones on the front page in my inbox and I end up forgetting about them for a bit.
So do mine it seems  :cry:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Molly on March 21, 2016, 08:49:59 pm
So do mine it seems  :cry:
Keep up the spam! It's gonna provoke a reaction at some point :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 21, 2016, 09:57:39 pm
Oh yeah, well corsair trolls anyone not bright enough to see his obvious traps. Corsair deserves it  :)

Ayy lmao <3 Corsair
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Macropus on March 23, 2016, 10:31:57 am
Oh yeah, well corsair trolls anyone not bright enough to see his obvious traps. Corsair deserves it  :)
He even went as far as calling my English good once, this fucking troll  :evil:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 23, 2016, 11:33:31 am
He even went as far as calling my English good once, this fucking troll  :evil:

Git aduckaction lel!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Dolphin on March 23, 2016, 01:31:45 pm
It's finally over !
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Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Blackbow on March 23, 2016, 06:25:34 pm
in all games, hackers get ban for life.
crpg should be the first who allow hackers to come back ?
no !

better go buy a new warband key it's probably cost nothing in russia!
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 23, 2016, 06:45:43 pm
in all games, hackers get ban for life.
crpg should be the first who allow hackers to come back ?
no !

better go buy a new warband key it's probably cost nothing in russia!

In counterstrike you dont get banned for using skins that for example give lazer sight on snipers, so no-scoping is easier. Of course some servers dont allow skins, but in general its usable (speaking of 1.6)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 23, 2016, 07:37:30 pm
I was much into this thread. Pandor's original post was funny. There came more funny posts by others. And then there was Jambi, yet another glorious whiteknight furiously waving his battle standard of retardation. I think that was when I stopped following.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Switchtense on March 23, 2016, 08:39:57 pm
We are currently deciding if your essay ban should be about the history of the big mac and what it means to be American.

Don't worry Pandor, I got you covered mate.

(click to show/hide)

Hope this helps you Pandor. Unless the essay will be about something else. Then good luck.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bronto on March 23, 2016, 08:58:22 pm
For real though, if he gets unbanned after being a cunt and not apologizing then you guys need to reevaluate your position as an admin. Just because a few people complain about someone who was BLATANTLY CHEATING, showed zero remorse and went so far as to post a thread so others could download his hacks, grow thicker skin. Of course his internet buddies will be upset that he was banned but you should have some fortitude and stick to your decisions. If all it takes is some complaining to get people unbanned why even have rules or admins in the first place? Just put it in the hands of the community, it's basically what you're doing if this gets overturned. Nerd tears > admins.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 23, 2016, 10:29:45 pm
Heskey and Bronto, he was never permabanned as a final measure - it was Dupre's temporary ban untill his ACTUAL fate is decided.

Not ONCE in this discussion did we say "Ok he is permanently banned but we're considering being merciful for him because crybabies are strong", he was temporarily banned with no set unban date untill a decision is met.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Yeldur on March 23, 2016, 10:32:05 pm
every day i dream of free russian land where i can use my wallhacks and green arrows without being raped by online cis scum known as admins

cyka blyat

- Fattius McFemini, proud Feminist, SJW, friend of WhiteKnights and user of tumblr, reddit and 9gag.



IDI NAHUI FUCKING bundle of sticks MEN CYKA BLYAT
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 23, 2016, 10:46:05 pm
Heskey and Bronto, he was never permabanned as a final measure - it was Dupre's temporary ban untill his ACTUAL fate is decided.

Not ONCE in this discussion did we say "Ok he is permanently banned but we're considering being merciful for him because crybabies are strong", he was temporarily banned with no set unban date untill a decision is met.

So, when will the council of supreme nerd virgins assemble?

I hope they chop off a chikens head like in south park and decide where the body lands. Maybe sacrafice a donkey and look at its entrails for signs from chadz.  Basically only way to contact him now that he is busy.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bobthehero on March 23, 2016, 10:47:01 pm
As long as the only choice is permaban, I can live with this.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Bronto on March 23, 2016, 11:01:14 pm
(click to show/hide)

See and if I had the yellow boxes I could be included but alas no one has been kind enough to grant me entrance into the forum side of being an admin. I thought that a permanent ban was discussed with a 5000 word essay when this was going down by an admin I know. Weird.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 23, 2016, 11:05:18 pm
It's finally over !
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 :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 23, 2016, 11:19:35 pm
See and if I had the yellow boxes I could be included but alas no one has been kind enough to grant me entrance into the forum side of being an admin. I thought that a permanent ban was discussed with a 5000 word essay when this was going down by an admin I know. Weird.
I didn't deny that;

We had people say that due to the novelty of the thing it shouldn't be treated too harshly, but we cannot let this slide for obvious reasons,
Some opted for a permanent ban,
And majority took a more balanced approach))

So, when will the council of supreme nerd virgins assemble?

I hope they chop off a chikens head like in south park and decide where the body lands. Maybe sacrafice a donkey and look at its entrails for signs from chadz.  Basically only way to contact him now that he is busy.

We'll finish our voting yesterday and give you the results soon)
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 24, 2016, 03:56:50 am
Don't worry Pandor, I got you covered mate.

(click to show/hide)

Hope this helps you Pandor. Unless the essay will be about something else. Then good luck.

Switch, this story changed my life! And if i could, i would ban and unban u as many times as u wish :D
But i have to know one thing. In  the end: Did she die? did she die? did she die?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 24, 2016, 04:45:49 am
If someone comes back and attempts to sound sorry enough we even unban them for autoblocker or multiaccounting ban waves in the past (if the devs ever check those threads still).

Muslims are sorry for bombing Europe, now go hug each other. Be shithead, say sorry, keep being same shithead. True EU way.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nightingale on March 24, 2016, 11:28:30 am
Don't worry Pandor, I got you covered mate.

(click to show/hide)

Hope this helps you Pandor. Unless the essay will be about something else. Then good luck.

Don't forget my diet. :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 24, 2016, 03:00:52 pm
Don't forget my diet. :lol:

pfff diet is for pusies
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 24, 2016, 04:10:26 pm
Is that really a suprise by now?  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Renay on March 24, 2016, 04:49:11 pm
Wow you're retarded

It is known.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Switchtense on March 24, 2016, 06:11:52 pm
Switch, this story changed my life! And if i could, i would ban and unban u as many times as u wish :D
But i have to know one thing. In  the end: Did she die? did she die? did she die?

I wish I could tell you, but that would spoil the sequel now, wouldn't it?

Don't forget my diet. :lol:

Here we go, sequel spoiled. Thanks Obama.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 24, 2016, 06:35:57 pm
Wow you're retarded

Don't consider yourself insulted. By the looks of things, soon you won't be part of EU.

EU is territory inside the wall from Attack on Titan. Outside it people are honest to themselves and know the true nature of life. Inside people are living a dream which is fake reality. Just like any other dream, like communism for example it feels threatened by outside forces and is building walls. But there is no wall high enough that will stop reality to peek in and send its regards.

EU folks should keep drawing pictures of flowers and hearts on buildings, it will only make explosions a bit prettier.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 24, 2016, 06:54:14 pm
Heskey I just made a pizza for a friend of mine. What did you do, aside from wasting your life playing cRPG and commenting on forums between rounds?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Asheram on March 24, 2016, 06:56:43 pm
I wish I could tell you, but that would spoil the sequel now, wouldn't it?

Here we go, sequel spoiled. Thanks Obama.
Do you say SeQuel was spoiled?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 25, 2016, 02:39:34 pm
Heskey I just made a pizza for a friend of mine. What did you do, aside from wasting your life playing cRPG and commenting on forums between rounds?
Don't understand how it making pizza for a friend not a waste of life?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 25, 2016, 03:58:37 pm
It's not something I do every day and is always different experience, unlike playing cRPG or posting on these forums. Doing same crap over and over and over again... that's cRPG in nutshell.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Prpavi on March 25, 2016, 04:37:32 pm
Heskey I just made a pizza for a friend of mine. What did you do, aside from wasting your life playing cRPG and commenting on forums between rounds?

Was it a female friend?
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Leshma on March 25, 2016, 04:41:13 pm
To be friendzoned, or not to be, that is the question.

Sadly, no it wasn't female friend :(
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Nebun on March 25, 2016, 05:50:32 pm
It's not something I do every day and is always different experience, unlike playing cRPG or posting on these forums. Doing same crap over and over and over again... that's cRPG in nutshell.

there is no same experiences in playing or posting :) same like making pizza. The only difference is - if u do what u like or not. If someone likes to play more then making pizza its good too :D
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Jambi on March 25, 2016, 07:08:07 pm
Everyone knows you dont make pizza for girl friends.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Umbra on March 26, 2016, 11:34:05 am
You eat the Pizza.

Pica = Pizza = slang for pussy in Cro
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 26, 2016, 08:33:49 pm
Alright, so just for clarity and to wrap things up:

Pandor is banned for ~2 months, will be unbanned at the end of May.
And he is permanently muted on forums.

Locking.
Title: Re: Pandor's repentance.
Post by: karasu on March 26, 2016, 08:51:58 pm
inb4 #freependir_archir2010 thread spam