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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Guides => Topic started by: Johnnyfirs on July 19, 2015, 03:21:42 pm
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Hey guys
I've been playing this game for so long and I thought about trying some weird builds.
I got some questions about unarmed. I can probably test these things myself but if you guys know the answers, it'd be easier :)
- Does Power Strike affect unarmed damage?
- Does one hand wpf affect unarmed speed? (Pretty sure it doesn't but not a hundred percent sure)
- Does Strength affect unarmed damage?
- Does Strength affect nudge damage/knockback?
Anything else you know about unarmed that would be good to know? I'm rocking +3 Heavy Gauntlets.
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The only 2 factors that go into unarmed damage is glove weight and strength
An ideal dedicated puncher build is all strength, as much ironflesh as you can, with heavy gauntlets. Also yes, more strength will result in a greater knockback when you nudge someone that is holding an attack. Can make for some fun times if executed proper.
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Cheers thank you, will try it out!
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but allways spawn with a weapon even though if you don´t use it, spawning without one is bannable u know... :D
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Do you more damage with heavy gloves or with a stone in your hand and 1h wpf?
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Tested it out, I dont really think so. Reach is smaller too.
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Of course it does,there are some ppl in the game with 30 str who nudges ppl into the hell.Str and agi effects every aspect of your attacks.
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- Does Power Strike affect unarmed damage?
yes
- Does one hand wpf affect unarmed speed? (Pretty sure it doesn't but not a hundred percent sure)
Pretty sure it doesn't but not a hundred percent sure
- Does Strength affect unarmed damage?
yes
- Does Strength affect nudge damage/knockback?
yes
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agreed, unarmed dmg is only depending on glove weight and STR, nothing else
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I agree, I don't think PS affects unarmed damage, just STR and glove/gauntlet weight. Someone had a thread up with graphs depicting their tests of nudge damage awhile back, and I found the post you were probably talking about where you tested this and Huscarlton posts a description of the formula going into calculating punch DMG.
http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/what-are-the-exact-punching-mechanics/msg1043367/#msg1043367
Here's the nudge damage thread: http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/nudge-damage-in-crpg/msg1160370/#msg1160370
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How about the actual damage dealt though? Surely a full STR puncher can take down a nekkid fool alright. How about an armored opponent? More than likely, those punches would die out like zapped flies even on low-end medium armor.
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How about the actual damage dealt though? Surely a full STR puncher can take down a nekkid fool alright. How about an armored opponent? More than likely, those punches would die out like zapped flies even on low-end medium armor.
I would say it gets counted as blunt damage since it has a knockdown chance (+ in native SP you knock enemies unconscious with kicks and punches, which is only possible with a blunt weapon), so according to this theory high STR heavy gloves builds do hurt any class.
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It would certainly hurt less the heavier the armor the recipient of the punch is wearing, think like, low PS tiny Hammer or moderate PS Wooden Sword, probably, when dealing with the highest armor tiers.
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I can kill an unarmed/helmetless person in 2 punches. Same if they're in peasant gear.
3-5 good hits in the 30-36 range of body armour if that's what you mean when you say medium armour.
You wont do a ton of damage vs heavier armour, but even vs 70+ body armour you can stagger them every time if you're high str with Heavy Gaunts. That's cos it's blunt damage. And you can whittle them down or finish off guys that are injured.
So, very good choice for some trolly fun :)
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Formula goes like this;
((Hand Armor weight)*(Power Strike level)*(%8))/((Target Armor)*(Armor Weight)
jk I have no idea
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I can kill an unarmed/helmetless person in 2 punches. Same if they're in peasant gear.
3-5 good hits in the 30-36 range of body armour if that's what you mean when you say medium armour.
You wont do a ton of damage vs heavier armour, but even vs 70+ body armour you can stagger them every time if you're high str with Heavy Gaunts. That's cos it's blunt damage. And you can whittle them down or finish off guys that are injured.
(maybe it's due to the animation, but i never glance on an overhead punch. Whilst even with 16 PS i can glance with a weak blunt weapon cos footwork is usually more of a factor here.)
I can confirm that. Me and Fuma were full str naked troll punchers once(45 STR 0 PS +3 heavy gauntlets), and we killed lots of heavily armoured ppl with our boxing skills.
QEH *holds attack*
QSEH *aim for the archer, nudge 1km away with 200km speed, perfect landing and punching to death*
QGY
QGT
Good old days.
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I think when I coded the unarmed damage on_hit-trigger I made it so that you can even knock out heavy(head) armoured guys given heavy gauntlets, enough strength and a shitload of hits. Iirc it basicly takes the raw(i.e. pre-armour) damage of a punch and does some custom calculation using helmet armour of the victim and gauntlet weight of the attacker, bypassing the native armour damage calc. The whole thing was meant to give the chamberblock-elite a way to skillztroll.
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Formula goes like this;
((Hand Armor weight)*(Power Strike level)*(%8))/((Target Armor)*(Armor Weight)
jk I have no idea
plonk+plonk+plonk=ded :mrgreen:
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I think when I coded the unarmed damage on_hit-trigger I made it so that you can even knock out heavy(head) armoured guys given heavy gauntlets, enough strength and a shitload of hits. Iirc it basicly takes the raw(i.e. pre-armour) damage of a punch and does some custom calculation using helmet armour of the victim and gauntlet weight of the attacker, bypassing the native armour damage calc. The whole thing was meant to give the chamberblock-elite a way to skillztroll.
can u just show us the f*****ing formula like San was showing us?? im just fucking curious how plong plonk is working(fists daamage) how PS+gauntlets(medium or heavy gauntlets) vs medium armor(+- sweet spots) or versus heavy amrors(how fucking raw Power Strike is working?) hmmm so much raw data to describe please mr. buahahahahhahahahahaalancer can u fucking show us data/formula ??
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No, I don't remember the formular and the files/access is on my mothballed pc. I also don't negotiate with terrorists.
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So, very good choice for some trolly fun :)
Yup, I've killed people in plate with heavy gauntlets in the past, 36 STR
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the f*****ing formula like San was showing us?? im just fucking curious
censoring fail :lol: