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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: //saxon on April 05, 2012, 04:06:30 pm
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sandswept/the-dead-linger?ref=category
just watch ! i got a feeling this will be awesome.
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"This project will only be funded if at least $60,000 is pledged by Sunday Apr 29, 6:00pm EDT. "
Such games are bound to fail.
Take a cool theme, like zombies, strap on a few fancy titles like SANDBOX (oh how misused this title is), MULTIPLAYER, AWESOME, a few screens and people already throwing money at it? The fuck.
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"This project will only be funded if at least $60,000 is pledged by Sunday Apr 29, 6:00pm EDT. "
Such games are bound to fail.
Take a cool theme, like zombies, strap on a few fancy titles like SANDBOX (oh how misused this title is), MULTIPLAYER, AWESOME, a few screens and people already throwing money at it? The fuck.
That's kickstarter, but they got over 50% already.
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That's kickstarter,
Cool, but what does kickstarter have to do with it other than being a website that helps gather funds?
but they got over 50% already.
Yes, exactly, what the fuck.
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How do you know they actually have that 50%?
They could have like $10 or $100,000 and then at the cut off point say they dont have enough money to make it.
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Honestly, a lot of games passed with Kickstarter, even some 4 million $USD game passed, they show an amount on the right of the webpage RandomDude but all will be refunded if it doesn't pass afaik.
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How do you know they actually have that 50%?
They could have like $10 or $100,000 and then at the cut off point say they dont have enough money to make it.
lolwut.
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Honestly, a lot of games passed with Kickstarter, even some 4 million $USD game passed, they show an amount on the right of the webpage RandomDude but all will be refunded if it doesn't pass afaik.
What I fail to understand is people donating to such projects. I mean I'm totally OK if the game is already in atleast Alpha, and there's already some playable content and gameplay videos or atleast something more than just a few screens of character models. But this... it just looks like a ripoff. There's absolutely no sign that they will ever finish this game or how it will turn out in the end. This is like gambling on a Vegas slot machince.
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I agree with Vibe here...
...those "rewards" for donating doesn't sound like a good idea either, either it's just a scam or else we'll have 50% of all game content have names like bigdickbob's avenue, etc.
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I dont think you guys understand what this Kickstarter thing is about...
It´s about giving a chance to projects that would never see the light of the day elsewise because they wont get any support from publishers.
Those guys are probably mostly guys like chadz and his team who decided they wanted to make the game of their dreams(I mean, really, a Sandbox First Person Zombie Shooter is the wet dream of most gamers :D), but they also decided they couldnt do it in their free time/Without professional help in some problems.
There are already games funded like this in development, and I believe it´s a really refreshing approach to the development of games which we should support.
the only thing I am worried about with THIS game however is, all they promise really to do with the 60000 Dollar is a working Alpha version.That means they could still easily say after that "Meh, Dont wanna go on" or just sell theirselves out to EA or some other dickhead publisher.
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I think kickstarter is a good way to get indies on the road with their games and they can eventually turn pro indie.
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The only good reward for higher monetary support is percentage of sales.
As for me, idea is good, but the way all this is organized is not.
They want people to give them money, and they pretty much give them nothing similar to the amount of money they put in to the project.
The lowest tiers are fine. Give us X dolars, we will give you a game + some bonus. Cool.
When looking at the highest tiers (give us X thousand-s dolars, we will give you some crap), thats not at all encouraing.
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What I consider odd with this kickstarter things - it's not really funding, it's donations. Sometimes you don't even get the game when it's finished even though you paid (not enough)
If I were ever to do something like this, I'd give everyone who funds it a partial revenue share. Makes everyone happy.
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These People arent the salvation army.
Of course their main goal is to make money with their game.If they give out shares to every donator they won´t make much at all.
I think the main Idea is to get people to donate the money they have spare for the development of the game they want.
Hands down, who wouldnt like to play a sandbox Zombie-Egoshooter?
And if you got like 10 bucks left at the moment and you are a dedicated gamer, hey why not donate that?
If that game really is made and if it´s good you will probably say "Worth it!", even if you have to pay another 30 bucks to buy it.
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These People arent the salvation army.
But that's the point, entirely - they are expecting the gamers to be just that.
The problem I have with it is that the hype will fail in some time. Eventually there will be a point where players do not have the money any more to just donate. Also, I personally feel that donations are for games that are in general non-profit.
Of course their main goal is to make money with their game.If they give out shares to every donator they won´t make much at all.
That's how life works. If you want money from a bank, you pay interest. If you get investors for your project, they expect a revenue share.
Take this game for example: So they need 60k. Let's say they sell their product for 300k in total. So give 180k back to the investors (everyone gets 200% profit), and the developers earned an additional 120k (additional regarding the monthly wage they are getting already)
It's really economical basics.
To be honest, I'd be really interested in putting money into games that I believe could become a success and get a share of that. THAT could kill EA. Not donation funded games, that hype will die eventually.
Edit: I'm sorry, I'm drifting offtopic, any mod want to split it? :P
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-amazing-indie-video-games-that-kickstarter-made-possible/
#1 and 2 look pretty promising
I love the wasteland 2 video
Publisher: Is this a billion dollar franchise?
Developer: Probably not
Pub: Then I can't help you
Dev: So you're turning down a game that the fans want?
Publisher: Hey I'm a publisher
Hahaha just how I think of publishers nowadays. Wasteland 2 isn't my kind of game, I hate party system RPG's, but still a hilarious (and seems very accurate) video of what developers have to deal with.
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Well chadz I agree with you that the kind of funding you mention is far more exciting and would fare even better than the donation system.I would regularly invest in indie games if there was a system like you described.
Let´s hope there will be some Developers thinking the same in the future :D
PS: YOU could make a start ;)
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It shows promise, and an open world zombie fps IS almost every gamer's holy grail. The fact that they're attempting something no developer has alone is worth a tilt of the hat.
Can't claim I'm not suspicious of their approach however, and I think chadz said something quite profound. Micro investment sounds like a sensible funding strategy, as the developers will have to show a complete concept and structure in order to seem invest-worthy. It really is a win/win situation, given that all things go according to plan.
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They only problem with micro-investing is that you probably need to hire a team for the paperworks and shit alone.
Which would end up costing a lot more than it would without it.
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i originally posted this on nordmen forum, serfonz said he had already checked the official forums of these guys, dev's seemed to be dicks he said and he thought game would fail, in serfonz i trust, qq
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They only problem with micro-investing is that you probably need to hire a team for the paperworks and shit alone.
Which would end up costing a lot more than it would without it.
Why is that? There are a lot of independent companies with the founder on their own, dealing with paperwork. And I'm sure there is some system that helps you keep track of who invested what and so forth.
If there isn't, that's a shame. It could be a lot like Kickstarter, largely community driven with awards and fun achievements. Instead of donations, you invest in games that you believe in and would like to see become reality, and you can also see how many people decided to invest in a game including what the average amount of money people invest. On your profile you can keep track of the amount of money you've invested and also a tool of some form that helps you calculate eventual return share. Both the people running the site will benefit, the investors and of course the developers that have the talent and idea.
A community that rewards innovation, supports independent game development and promotes a publisher-free game industry. Sort of like a dream, isn't it?
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I jizzed my pants.
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So whats the story with this kickstarter? If project fails do you get your money back? Do they apologize? Do people hunt them?
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Yeah.. does the Pledge money get returned to the pledgers if the project doesn't reach 60k for them to begin? I certainly wouldn't give even a penny to a group of strangers if it was just one massive gamble, I mean, the game turning out to be complete shit is one thing, but losing your money and them not even getting the project going because they only recieved 50k of the 60k they 'needed' would be pretty annoying lol. I imagine they will reach the goal easily, but I'm just curious what would happen to the rest of the money if they didn't hit 60k.
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Yeah.. does the Pledge money get returned to the pledgers if the project doesn't reach 60k for them to begin? I certainly wouldn't give even a penny to a group of strangers if it was just one massive gamble, I mean, the game turning out to be complete shit is one thing, but losing your money and them not even getting the project going because they only recieved 50k of the 60k they 'needed' would be pretty annoying lol. I imagine they will reach the goal easily, but I'm just curious what would happen to the rest of the money if they didn't hit 60k.
I read somewhere that if they don't hit their goal they return all the money. That being said, if they hit their goal and just spend it all on blow and hookers...no refund for you.
In theory it's a cool idea (fans donate because they like the game concept, not publishers financing because they think it will be a billion dollar franchise), but they have no accountability to the donors. The publisher system is decent, but a lot of really cool ideas never see the light of day because it's not "mainstream" or isn't mimicking an already proven game.
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Thats a big problem, I mean there is a lot of this kickstarter projects, even bigger studios fail to produce game or make it in time.
So you cannot be certain that when they reach fund goal they will actually make something. And that is big problem.
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This kickstarter thingy is awesome.
Guide on how to earn money with kickstarter;
Step one: Have a good concept and some skill in game development
Step two:Make some early concept art and an inspirational video
Step three: Go to kickstarter, start a project there
Step four: Calculate the money required for actually developing said project
Step Five: Multiply calculated sum by x2
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Profit!
Of course I'm just joking, and would like to think that developers there are honest about these things. But it's a nice opportunity, you just have to ask a "little bit" more.
And you'll have to be a total bastard, as well.
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This kickstarter thingy is awesome.
Guide on how to earn money with kickstarter;
Step one: Have a good concept and some skill in game development
Step two:Make some early concept art and an inspirational video
Step three: Go to kickstarter, start a project there
Step four: Calculate the money required for actually developing said project
Step Five: Multiply calculated sum by x2
???
Profit!
Of course I'm just joking, and would like to think that developers there are honest about these things. But it's a nice opportunity, you just have to ask a "little bit" more.
And you'll have to be a total bastard, as well.
If you have enough skill and resources to make an appealing project that would attract the kind of attention/donations that these ones are then you wouldn't be wasting your time scheming and being a con man. The donation system inherently polices itself. (For example, Wasteland 2 already has a reputation and following backed by people with legitimate experience and resumes, other games like this one and the steampunk one already have a bunch of work already done to show, etc). The real con is huge corporation publishers putting out day-1 DLC releases and minor expansions every 4 months which include a couple maps and reskins.
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Well, it looks like they've almost collected their goal. 3 people donated over 1000 dollars, jesus.
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I like the Principe of kick starter.
It's like tell to the game editor to fuck off, and directly ask the Fan or the gamer what they really want.
Also, most of the time, it's more like buying the game in advance than donating. (Well, you also have to be patient because your buying it before development have even started, and you can be really disappointed but...)
I'm more than curious to see what will become of the project for Wasteland 2, Admiral o' the High Seas - Naval Adventures (Pathfinder, 4e) or Shadowrun Returns
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Well, it looks like they've almost collected their goal. 3 people donated over 1000 dollars, jesus.
That's nothing...Wastelands 2 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2
11 people backed with $10000
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Imagine you have 100 million dollars, and you love games.
You probably get enough interest monthly to live easily, and you still have much left.
even 10000 Dollar means nothing then.
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Looks like a mediocre to good source/udk mod at this stage. Wouldn't keep my hopes up for this one. They even made the classical mistake of showing un-skinned models :S
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I must admit the future, awesome, sandbox, free-roam and multiplayer, zombie game part got my attention. Than I clicked on a link and it said FPS horror and I was like......eh......no. FPS-s are lame now, I doubt they can make it work that way. The only FPS that I think worked competely in recent years was Amnesia, everything else FPS related was just a massive clusterfuck.
And the "awesome, sandbox, free-roam, zombie survival game" already exsists, only in a form of a RPG. "Project Zomboid" people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFEnEzAnOKw
This game is addictive, scary and kinda awesome, give your money to these guys, they are really working for it and its awesome... :mrgreen:
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And the graphics fucking suck.And its not FPS.
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And the graphics fucking suck.And its not FPS.
The Dead Linger is a first-person zombie survival sandbox in which you can venture into a vast, undead world, surviving and exploring in whatever way suits you best.
They clearly wrote that it is....
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Talking about Project zomboid there...
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Talking about Project zomboid there...
I think that was pretty obvious.
There was this one sprite-based zombie survival game still in alpha stage with indefinite gameplay, I played something like that a year ago. Maybe it was project Zomboid, not sure.
Graphics shouldn't matter to some extent in any case, especially not games in alpha.
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And the graphics fucking suck.And its not FPS.
Talking about Project zomboid there...
I know, I wrote that project zomboid was a RPG, "awesome, sandbox, free-roam, zombie survival game" already exsists, only in a form of a RPG.
I said that the other game was FPS.
And graphics?......ehm.....clearly not a real gamer are you. Graphics are only for the weak minded who like shiny things, its still all about the gameplay. And Project Zomboid is awesome(the 2.0 version, other versions are quite crap). 8-)
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If you have enough skill and resources to make an appealing project that would attract the kind of attention/donations that these ones are then you wouldn't be wasting your time scheming and being a con man. The donation system inherently polices itself. (For example, Wasteland 2 already has a reputation and following backed by people with legitimate experience and resumes, other games like this one and the steampunk one already have a bunch of work already done to show, etc). The real con is huge corporation publishers putting out day-1 DLC releases and minor expansions every 4 months which include a couple maps and reskins.
this
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And graphics?......ehm.....clearly not a real gamer are you. Graphics are only for the weak minded who like shiny things, its still all about the gameplay. And Project Zomboid is awesome(the 2.0 version, other versions are quite crap). 8-)
Dont tell me shit bro.I´ve got nothing against shitty graphics if the game behind it is appealing(For example Minecraft, or the game this forum is about...), but I´ve tried the current state of Zomboid and it fucking sucks.And the way I see it now, it will suck on.Maybe it will be okay when it´s finished, but still.
Also it´s not ALL about the gameplay(If that would be so, we would still be playing text based RPG´s).What good does a game if it gives me eyecancer?
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U mad bro? You clearly stated that you hate the game cause of graphics....Its really not my fault that you cant express yourself clear enough and that you lack the skill of functional reading.
And PS: Atleast my name isnt bthreersthreerk! :rolleyes:
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How can project zomboid be scary from a top down camera view?
You NEED first person for that feeling.
And besides a zombie apocalypse sandbox game in my eyes shouldn't be an rpg. Having some sort of skill upgrade by crafting/whatever, sure but no leveled weapons shit like dead island.
That game while it can give you a fright since they didn't bother making the sound hinting you from which way the zombie is coming (The sound comes from both headphones pieces instead of only from the left if the zombie is on the left.) it turned from a zombie game to a bordelands games but with zombies.
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I don't get the whole "donation" thing to help someone make a game that doesn't yet exist. It would be very easy to give money to someone that ends up just plain not having the skill necessary to create the game and get it functional. 10x truer if they are trying to make their own 3-D graphics engine. I'm thinking back to games like Shadowbane which was basically a bunch of software guys pooling their resources together to make a really awesome MMORPG....aaaaand finding out they don't really have the expertise needed and the game basically feels like it never got out of Alpha.
It would be like if chadz had asked for $60,000 to finish Stronghold development. Turns out there were technical roadblocks and it couldn't be done. It wouldn't have been a con, it was a genuine effort that didn't work out. Free $60,000!
At any rate, I'd feel better about it if it was more like buying stock. I should get something back if it works.
Or like Minecraft. I paid for the early alpha version and certainly got my money's worth in entertainment even if he never really did turn it into a game. Point was I was buying a product, not just giving him money for the hell of it.
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I dont think Dead Island was ment to be a spooky zombie game, but more of a fun pasttime to play online with no proper single player and yes, the leveled weapons was complete bullshit, especially since they kept breaking....It always did feel gangsta, bashing lying zombies faces in with other players.
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The walking dead game looks quite good, if you are into adventures
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Just had an amazing live stream for 2 hours or so with the head of Sandswept, the company behind TDL, I'll post a link when they're done editing.
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seems like they reached their goal, I can't believe how much money people are pumping into kickstarter
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