I have one problem with Singularity theory: intelligence cannot make a robot escape the laws of physics. With electronic computers I don't think we'll manage to have the power to reproduce even one complete human brain, which would be the condition for reaching super-human intelligence in the first place. The author doesn't understand Moore's Law, and then everything he says pretty much collapses from there.
Yeah. The "when someone, somewhere will surely shake these borders" argument is not really that solid. The optimisim is nice and all but it doesnt really say anything and is useless at current stage. He's right to be skeptical, cause at this point its just a theoretic possibility based on a theoretic foundation. I predict that when Cutchulu rises, the speed of winds will increase worldwide so much that windenergy will be viable everywhere and shall replace nuclearenergy.
Moore Law, electronic computers? What is this, 1980s? Moore Law today serves just one purpose and that is marketing for Intel CPUs. It isn't a thing for a decade already when it comes to consumer electronics.
Quantum computers already exist and can be bought if you have enough cash, software is an issue atm but that will be fixed in years to come. In less than a decade price of those computers will come down to under 100k and their availability will be wider. IBM and HP are already working on consumer versions of quantum computers and those should be revealed in few years to general public.
Do any of the points of skepticism take into account the accelerated rate of the growth of knowledge and that whole thing about not even being able to fathom what's to come, much like people in past centuries couldn't have fathomed the things of today? If everything being used to cast doubt on the possibility of this thing happening is strictly within the paradigm of human knowledge where it currently stands, it doesn't really hold up to the inevitable changes in what is considered possible constantly shifting at an ever increasing rate.
Just because we can't imagine something happening based on the current limits of knowledge, doesn't mean it can't happen. Those limits are constantly expanding and the world we think is flat will soon become round.
Hell, the first rule that many people seem to forget is that you *need* bigger computers to make machines that are more intelligent.
I haven't heard anything of the sort. It's not even clear whether D-Wave's computers are quantum or not, and they won't be used for practical applications until their memory size increases by huge amounts. Software is actually not a problem by the way. We already have "algorithms" for quantum computers.
A sizable portion of the people in the industry seem to think it will happen eventually. None of them know when, though.What industry? Most people are just talking about their feelings on the matter, without actual research. There are precious few AGI specialists.
and stephen hawking is actively trying to stop it from happening, that dumb fucking retard what does he know about anything
Do people also forget that computers which could only do a minuscule fraction of what our phones can now used to be the size of a room?
Since feeling are based on chemicals rather than electricity you will have to have a computer made of super tiny chips that can translate molecules into data
General purpose quantum computer won't be a thing for quite some time. D-Wave is something akin to accelerator chip, needs conventional supercomputer to finish calculation, but speeds up solving optimization problems by big margin, making problem smaller (engrish). It doesn't give you result, but it tells you what isn't much faster than any super computer would. That is why big corporations are paying tens of millions for it. Second gen runs much cooler (1st is cooled at near absolute zero because it gets too hot, 2nd gen runs 40% cooler) and much more precise (main issue with q-computers is variability of results).
No one but D-Wave people can claim it is true q-comp because:
- it is not available to most researchers (it is very rare globally)
- most researchers don't understand how it works, it is very "black boxy"
HP put its future on next gen computing, it is do or die for them. IBM has always been the one to reveal the future, they pulled out of manufacturing of e-computers. They will be first to make this tech "available" (research labs on universities, 10-100k price point per machine).
Rather than store information as 0s or 1s as conventional computers do, a quantum computer uses qubits – which can be a 1 or a 0 or both at the same time.Yea... that's not gonna fly for most industrial/entertainment applications. Not to mention the effort put into it to get even running.
What industry? Most people are just talking about their feelings on the matter, without actual research. There are precious few AGI specialists.
so I don't have to ride a bicycle in 101 degree weather
what i question is the notion that we are somehow now at the very peak of knowledge and understanding of the universe, and that technology is as advanced as it's ever gonna be, right now. no more advances. this is it. we just happen to be lucky enough to be here. i don't buy it.
but nah, we're probably as good as it gets right now, progress is over.
and that interview speaks to this. even if thigs stop getting smaller, who cares, that's not the point. point is more complex, advanced, different, all stuff he's mentioning there. also points out the ever expanding "wall" he thought we'd be up against already.
Yea... that's not gonna fly for most industrial/entertainment applications. Not to mention the effort put into it to get even running.
That sure is in no way a consumer friendly tech :lol:
Decades away from being relevant for masses if it ever arrives at that state.
wut?
By not ever getting a real result but instead just a few hundred possibilities on results that may be correct.
What a beautiful new world we'll have.
But others, including Wozniak have recently changed their minds on AI, with the Apple co-founder saying that robots would be good for humans, making them like the “family pet and taken care of all the time”.
What certain people fail to realize is that Hawking and Musk saying these things is equal to a biologist saying "guys, developing a supervirus that kills absolutely everything and can't be stopped in any way would be pretty dangerous."
And then these certain people think that means AI is coming, and soon. Nope.
If you think of AI as a mere tool that remains ultimately submitted to human will, then you have to think of other humans in the same way, supposing we reach AGI level. And obviously other humans are dangerous. A sufficiently complex and unpredictable AI with no absolute moral principles and the ability to harm is dangerous. One with wrong moral principles is dangerous as well. And we have no idea if there even exists a set of rules to impose to our AIs that wouldn't horribly go wrong. In fact there most likely isn't, the universe doesn't care about morality. At best we can create something that is about as benevolent as a human.More on that concept here: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer
Unfortunately, less educated people read that as "omg sentient robots are gonna conquer the world in the next decade!!".
Musk and Hawking have warned that AI is “our biggest existential threat” and that the development of full AI could “spell the end of the human race”
Sitting outside of Uni, having a smoking break, I'm actually wondering what AI even means. At which point becomes something AI?https://intelligence.org/2013/08/11/what-is-agi/
Commonly we use it even for game NPCs. Is that already AI?
How many decision trees do you need to qualify for AI?
Does it need self awareness?
What about consciousness?
How about the ability to learn?
Self upgrade?
Matrix anyone?
Hard to discuss something without a proper base line.
Obama issues executive order to create the world's first exaflop supercomputer, which can mimic the human brain
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/obama-supercomputing/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/07/obama-supercomputing/)
copy pasted title from reddit before i did
Wow, that's almost as much work ethics as an Ars Technica journalist.
oops i forgot i'm a journalist getting paid for this and that i have any obligation to you people, sorry! :oops:
astronomers have found the base of operations of intergalactic AI spreading seed throughout the universe
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/astronomers-discover-humongous-structure-one-ninth-size-observable-universe (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/astronomers-discover-humongous-structure-one-ninth-size-observable-universe)
It's the same routine Dooz pulls every time. He gets called out for being a retard, he gets upset, then he overdoes the act to pretend he was trolling all along.
Ah so he's done the routine before?Many times. Here's just one example. http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/conversations-with-an-islamic-jihadist/msg1055008/#msg1055008
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I don't think I'll ever live that long unless immortality is something we figure out in our lifetime, but I'm super excited that my haircut is not going to go out of style.
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/what-will-humans-look-like-in-100000-years
pro athlete ai bot(click to show/hide)
Do you even have any clue about how complex that little bugger is technology-wise?
I read this, thought it was pretty good : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artificial-Intelligence-Revolution-Serve-Replace/dp/0988171821/ref=sr_1_68?ie=UTF8&qid=1439294205&sr=8-68&keywords=Artificial+Intelligence
"Using the new technology, Laing and his colleagues were able to conduct a number of experiments that would have taken a year to carry out in only a few hours. They regard the optical chip as a means to discover new fields of science that have yet to be chartered by researchers."
Human against "a network of machines that includes 1,200 central processing chips and about 170 cards packs with GPUs" :D
http://www.wired.com/2016/02/well-know-soon-if-google-can-beat-a-super-grandmaster-at-go/
edit: haha, it's intense to watch, but also funny how the one guy all the time tries to speak about the significance of a Computer playing and the other just ignores him completely and only talks about the game pretending it's a game like any other. :lol:
my old friends http://forum.ofkingsandmen.net/index.php?topic=1912.0 (http://forum.ofkingsandmen.net/index.php?topic=1912.0)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-einstein-loving-sex-robot-wit/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-einstein-loving-sex-robot-wit/)
be aware einstein is in the url