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Title: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 08, 2015, 09:36:55 pm
I just playd archer char to check anything changed. Ofcourse not. Dieing to one swing from fucking anything while have to shot and hit 20 headshots to kill. And in last patch they also nerfed the amount of arrows I can carry by 10(!!!). Cut arrows are fucking worthless in this mod. Not only u move like elephant and have way harder aiming than in native, but also u have to put 20 arrows in a target. Change name of this mod to "clans clashes rol plain gaim", because this mod is suited/ballanced to satisfie some clans that prefere one type of gameplay making other totaly worthless and unbalanced. This kind of game should be about variety, not one class/build/ way of gameplay dominating anything else.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: pogosan on February 08, 2015, 09:44:26 pm
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 08, 2015, 09:52:55 pm
Read it.

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/february-patch-preview-input-appreciated/ (http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/february-patch-preview-input-appreciated/)

Bullshit, I just twicly hit a lightly armored "ninja" in chest, then thrusted him with a sword and he was still alive. I was using tatar arrows that suppose add 9 cut. Cut arrows are shit in this mod.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: pogosan on February 08, 2015, 10:26:31 pm
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 09, 2015, 12:37:52 am
It's for upcoming patch. Just wait a little and they'll buff archery again.

yay, I am so excited.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Leshma on February 09, 2015, 12:44:34 am
At first I thought buff won't be big but then I checked again and boy, buff is quite decent. Especially against AGI builds, they will get raped by archers. My 14 IF ~80 AR char won't feel it though :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Algarn on February 09, 2015, 11:16:28 am
At first I thought buff won't be big but then I checked again and boy, buff is quite decent. Especially against AGI builds, they will get raped by archers. My 14 IF ~80 AR char won't feel it though :mrgreen:

Buff will be big. People will complain someone with 10PD will be able to kill them in 3 shots, that's obviously what's going to happen.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Molly on February 09, 2015, 11:53:04 am
Someone with 10PD is already killing me in 2... yay for the buff!
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Leshma on February 09, 2015, 01:46:30 pm
Buff will be big. People will complain someone with 10PD will be able to kill them in 3 shots, that's obviously what's going to happen.

You can kill my 105 HP char (38 body armor) in 3 hits. This patch will change it so you will be able to one hit AGI char wearing same armor, as it should be. But don't think you'll do well against extreme STR build wearing extreme armor, unless you have higher ground. Again, as it should be.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Veniathan on February 09, 2015, 02:53:47 pm
I feel you man I got an alt. Rus Bow with Bodkins. Absolutely useless unless you headshot, so useless I just gave up. 1.6k for repairs with a fucking kaftan and so slow lol. Pointless.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: korppis on February 09, 2015, 06:43:14 pm
Someone with 10PD is already killing me in 2... yay for the buff!

10PD archers used to one shot me in past. I guess the real reason why archers cry is because average armor level is so much higher than ours.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 09, 2015, 07:10:15 pm
10PD archers used to one shot me in past. I guess the real reason why archers cry is because average armor level is so much higher than ours.

Average armor and str is higher yeah, agi whores die quickly but are also generally harder to hit so i guess everything evens out with archery getting the short end of the stick.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 09, 2015, 11:55:46 pm
Just hit basicly naked peasant with two tatar arrows near the head. Did he die? No! Ofc not! He just throwed his lance in return and one shot killed me! Only in crpg, ahhhh :D
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: SixThumbs on February 10, 2015, 12:17:41 am
Don't worry, devs are hard at work to make archery more historical and accurate like this:

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Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 10, 2015, 04:36:37 pm
Just hit basicly naked peasant with two tatar arrows near the head. Did he die? No! Ofc not! He just throwed his lance in return and one shot killed me! Only in crpg, ahhhh :D

What build? Uphill? Near the head doesnt matter, just say body shot. Did you have any looms? Also respecc thrower.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Grytviken on February 11, 2015, 09:16:26 am
I have been regularly 1 or 2 shotted by archers/xbows.  I'm guessing alot of the complaints about archery being underwhelming is from lower levels ( 34-35 ), but after the patch I expect to be 1 shotted alot more.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Algarn on February 11, 2015, 11:02:08 am
You wear no armor compared to the average EU players (you're with either a gambeson or a mailled tunic), remember why the archers don't take less than 8 PD here, everyone is either an agi build that's going to dodge, or a big 27str going to tank arrows.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Grumbs on February 11, 2015, 11:43:09 am
Don't you find it impossible to hit things because the models are fubar atm? The way models move feels so random, like positions aren't reported to the server properly
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Algarn on February 11, 2015, 11:46:25 am
Do you mean the hitboxes ? If you mean hitboxes, you have to know they are terrible on torso (three balls, not covering the sides).
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: JasonPastman on February 11, 2015, 03:29:15 pm
Archery is in a good state, actually I've been in the market for a bow for quite some time, yet I haven't seen anything besides yumis on the market.  Given the low population the market may not be the best indicator anymore, but this relation tends to mean that bows, not yumis, are particularly desirable, especially when bows have in the past been so common.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Grytviken on February 11, 2015, 08:02:14 pm
You wear no armor compared to the average EU players (you're with either a gambeson or a mailled tunic), remember why the archers don't take less than 8 PD here, everyone is either an agi build that's going to dodge, or a big 27str going to tank arrows.


Yes they should give archers back agi build and reduce the weight of bows and arrows, being an archer and having your basic equipment weigh as much as platemail is a little redic.

But if they are gunna do this I hope they buff Cav. Take away the speed bonus arrows do to horses.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: San on February 11, 2015, 08:59:07 pm
If you wear light equipment, aren't agi archers more dangerous for you? You'll be taking large amounts of damage either way. Speed bonus is currently linear for ranged, which is already quite low.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 12, 2015, 04:15:49 pm
Fuck agi archers, keep en slow and steady but do give them some damage IMO. With the clunky slow movespeed i guess they could have jumpshot aswell. But i do think as far as balancing goes, they should be stuck at the movespeed of a heavy armored infantry, so atleast mediums can catch them out.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 12, 2015, 05:35:26 pm
Fuck agi archers, keep en slow and steady but do give them some damage IMO. With the clunky slow movespeed i guess they could have jumpshot aswell. But i do think as far as balancing goes, they should be stuck at the movespeed of a heavy armored infantry, so atleast mediums can catch them out.

if so crossbowmans should be also slow as hell. This is archer and role of the archer is to be agile. I would prefere more arrows and faster movement speed than simple dmg boost. Sometimes u loose half of your "clip" into one infantry guy, because he keeps on dodging and u need to put like 10 arrows in him to kill and then u are harmless, u can't do shit. U arent crossbowman with big armor and fast speed movement(untill u drop your bow)
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: W0LF on February 12, 2015, 05:44:10 pm
Crossbows have way longer reload and if archers got speed boost then they could just start kiting again. Next patch adds more dmg for archers though so that is fine.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 12, 2015, 05:45:01 pm
if so crossbowmans should be also slow as hell. This is archer and role of the archer is to be agile. I would prefere more arrows and faster movement speed than simple dmg boost.

Crossbowmen are pretty slow. Why are archers suppose to be agile? Kiting archers were never a hit with the rest of the server. I didnt mind them kiting too much since i used to play agiwhore build so i could always catch them but most people complained about it. Archers as is only lack a bit of range damage other than that they are balanced imo. Imo its more enjoyable to play a more stationary archer but with some melee, than running around untill people give up chasing.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Bronto on February 12, 2015, 07:04:08 pm
Crossbowmen are pretty slow. Why are archers suppose to be agile? Kiting archers were never a hit with the rest of the server. I didnt mind them kiting too much since i used to play agiwhore build so i could always catch them but most people complained about it. Archers as is only lack a bit of range damage other than that they are balanced imo. Imo its more enjoyable to play a more stationary archer but with some melee, than running around untill people give up chasing.

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Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
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Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
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Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 13, 2015, 04:57:24 pm
Iam so sick of this one swing cav kills, guy rides on a box tank, very slow, i even jump in opposite direction to reduce speed impact, doesnt matter, one swing u are dead. U are archer and u are so slow as 60 armor guy so u cant even dodge. But I have to shoot, HIT like 20 arrows to take this cav with cut arrows -_-. Swing range is also ridicilous. Many times i see how guys stop cab with spears and they still manage magicly swing and hit this infantry guy, its just retarded:O.

I think arrows should have pierce damage instead of cut, because arrows thrust, not cut. That would be more effective against most arour types in game.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Algarn on February 13, 2015, 06:53:31 pm
Arrows deal cut damage for balance purposes. Bodkins are only here to deal pierce.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 13, 2015, 06:59:28 pm
Iam so sick of this one swing cav kills, guy rides on a box tank, very slow, i even jump in opposite direction to reduce speed impact, doesnt matter, one swing u are dead. U are archer and u are so slow as 60 armor guy so u cant even dodge. But I have to shoot, HIT like 20 arrows to take this cav with cut arrows -_-. Swing range is also ridicilous. Many times i see how guys stop cab with spears and they still manage magicly swing and hit this infantry guy, its just retarded:O.

I think arrows should have pierce damage instead of cut, because arrows thrust, not cut. That would be more effective against most arour types in game.

Just bring out your melee weapon if cav is coming and block their swings. And there are bodkins, they pierce.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gnjus on February 13, 2015, 07:05:24 pm
Iam so sick of this one swing cav kills, guy rides on a box tank, very slow, i even jump in opposite direction to reduce speed impact, doesnt matter, one swing u are dead. U are archer and u are so slow as 60 armor guy so u cant even dodge. But I have to shoot, HIT like 20 arrows to take this cav with cut arrows -_-. Swing range is also ridicilous. Many times i see how guys stop cab with spears and they still manage magicly swing and hit this infantry guy, its just retarded:O.

I think arrows should have pierce damage instead of cut, because arrows thrust, not cut. That would be more effective against most arour types in game.

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Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: San on February 13, 2015, 07:06:23 pm
Nothing preventing you from wearing armor, switching to bodkins, and using a 1 slot polearm as an archer.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 13, 2015, 07:51:25 pm
Nothing preventing you from wearing armor, switching to bodkins, and using a 1 slot polearm as an archer.

Specialy when cav can knock u then u cant block and magicly swing through me when iam in a horse is hitbox... . Archery is retarded in this mod. If u want to play archer in this mod u have to be slow, no other way of plaing it. As melee u can be agi whore and armored guy, as archer only slow elephant. Just throwed down an horseman with 4 fucking arrows, then put 3 in him and he still managed to chase me and finish me with one swing.  Even with 25 agi and 8 athlethics iam outrunned by fucking mamulek riders on foot, lol xD

Retarded ballance and idioticly designed archery.

No wonders noone play this mod anymore and napoleonic battles and native are full of ppl.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 13, 2015, 08:35:57 pm
Specialy when cav can knock u then u cant block and magicly swing through me when iam in a horse is hitbox... . Archery is retarded in this mod. If u want to play archer in this mod u have to be slow, no other way of plaing it. As melee u can be agi whore and armored guy, as archer only slow elephant. Just throwed down an horseman with 4 fucking arrows, then put 3 in him and he still managed to chase me and finish me with one swing.  Even with 25 agi and 8 athlethics iam outrunned by fucking mamulek riders on foot, lol xD

Retarded ballance and idioticly designed archery.

No wonders noone play this mod anymore and napoleonic battles and native are full of ppl.

too much fainting
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: W0LF on February 13, 2015, 10:22:00 pm
too much fainting
I see what you did there  :wink:
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 14, 2015, 12:38:33 am
too much fainting
sieeeeet, i just fainted  :o

Anyway. Archers need be more agile, like twice as mobile, otherwise I call it a BL and u can recall archery class to elephant cannons. Archer should be fukin agile, anyone knows that. Who have seen havly armored infantry be agile like lighty armored archers? Its just r-Ta-RDED ;). U should seek ballance in other classes. Archery never was overpowered. In native its way more accurate and mobile, have way more ammo and still ppl beat it. I feel like crpg was designed for melee fighting clans and regular ppl run out from it to Native or Napoleon, because didnt want to be forced under some clans prefered playstyle  which they mastered and looking for boys to beating.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Molly on February 14, 2015, 08:57:10 am
You do realize that this "balanced for clamz hurr durr" makes you look like a massive idiot, right?
We're all able to look over your rather bad English, I mean, we put up with Vovka for quite a while now, but when some of the content is stupid, that's hard to overlook.
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Grumbs on February 14, 2015, 11:54:15 am
Please just fix the server performance before balancing too heavily. Ranged are the ones who suffer the most from bad server reg..melee swings in huge arcs and uses the glitchiness to spam and insta hit more. Its still pretty shitty as melee, but ranged have to rely on aim more. Talking about buffing damage and stuff while we still have serious issues seems like a mistake. There is some kind of rubber banding or something
Title: Re: Imbalanced sieeet!
Post by: Tomeusz on February 14, 2015, 04:17:33 pm
You do realize that this "balanced for clamz hurr durr" makes you look like a massive idiot, right?
We're all able to look over your rather bad English, I mean, we put up with Vovka for quite a while now, but when some of the content is stupid, that's hard to overlook.
wot? :idea:

If someone designs archer to move like HI its something wrong with him, not with me :O. Because only idiot think that archer suppose to move like HI when in reality and ANY other game(including Warband) archer is lightly armored, fast moving, agile soldier.

But this mod is so retardly designed that throwers are more accurate than archers, deal 10x more dmg, have way better armor, move 10x faster, along with crossbowmans. I dont give a fuck about that I dmg 20 targets and iam on top 3 in the leader board. Those points arent make my char level faster, neither are displayd on my main page. |There is only kd ratio for clan clashes whores that grind that KD on other, weaker classes that they are not playing/are annoyd with(read archers for example).