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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Mallets on February 21, 2016, 06:35:55 pm
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Have 4 PS (and 150 Polearm)... but seem to keep glancing with my Long Spear!
At the end of my strike, I get a suck, thump sound... instead of the pierce/cut sound. Is this from too little PS? Or a lack of knowledge on how to play Long Spear? I know dude do all kind of crazy drags when they strike.
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You either need to seriously outrange your opponent or use the WIGGLY SPEAR technique. The WIGGLY SPEAR technique is when you start your spear thrust pointing away from your opponent and thdn, while thrusting, drag your thrust towards your opponent. This ensures the initial attempt to thrust at your opponent won't immediately glance and significantly improves your close-range performace (especially with longer polearms like the Pike/Long Spear).
However, you should also invest in a little more PS if you really want to deal with tincans more reliably.
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24/21 with a pike. 27/21 on higher level. My opinion.
21/24 - more agility means easier play, especially with a long spear, but usually just supporting aka stun-locking enemies.
I got used to STR pike stabbing cause you actually get a lot of kills after ya figured out how to use it properly.
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Probably my favorite pike builds is 13/30, but 24/21 or 21/24 will always be good for any none shielder build.
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I remember someone speaking about Hoplite and I agree with his thoughts, with Hoplite/Pikemen you're always going to be slow due to the weight of the gear you carry, which is why I think it's better to go for a higher STR and deal with the agi when it comes to it, right now, most of the speed is decided on armour, so if you wear heavy armour, you're slow, whereas if you have a high STR level and go for medium-light armour you'll be better off as you are now dealing massive damage whilst also agile.
Edit: Found the quote of the guy I meant, he explained it right:
"I think AGI is not needed when playing as a hoplite. We already do low damage, we already are slow, so agility do not help us when we try to do hit-block-hit-block. Because of this, my philosophy is: hitting hard when you can. Due to this, I also do not spend any points into weapon master either. It won't help when you have a low amount in proficiency. Of course my build might be a bit overkill, but I'd advice having high STR to other folks in their builds."
(Keep in mind this is old so some points are incorrect, so ignore the crossed out bits)
I would recommend 27/18 or for a lower level 27/15
27/18 gives you a large advantage but 27/15 is better for a level 35 character, that way you can get 9 PS, 9 IF, 5 WM and 5 ATH, they seem low but you should then have a few left over points which can set you up for the level 36 which will give you 27/18, it's a less complete build but it favours you in the future where you can deal with all the points you've gained.
OR, if you want to, you could trade some IF for more ATH and WM.
So for stats you could go: 9PS, 5 IF, 6 WM and 6 ATH. It more or less completes the build but leaves you vulnerable to hits due to the low level of IF, which is kinda necessary due to the massive amounts of archers/xbows every bloody day.
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Thanks for the tips folks!!! :D
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33-15 longspear never let me down. Of course, the pike is a trash weapon compared to the longspear. Make sure to let Relit know I said that.
Whatever build you use, you're gonna need to get good at kicking (not hard at all, press S+E usually), and get good at wiggly-poking (harder).
Easiest and most effective wiggly-poke technique is in the horizontal plane, but the highest potential and swag factor lies with vertical wiggles. Be careful though, you'll end up puking from the vertigo or stabbing into the ground for a bad cooldown and ensured damage.
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33-15 longspear never let me down. Of course, the pike is a trash weapon compared to the longspear.
I see. Find me when you face with Tamra on the field.
Mallets,
Just do what Tamra says, it's that simple.
QGT
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7 or 8, depending on how much maneuverability you need. Both work well.
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33-15 longspear never let me down. Of course, the pike is a trash weapon compared to the longspear. Make sure to let Relit know I said that.
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Fuck you, Sandy.
Split str/agi builds with medium armor and pike are the way I play it. Fast enough to keep up with any teammate and fast enough to get away from a bad situation quickly.
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Fuck you, Sandy.
Split str/agi builds with medium armor and pike are the way I play it. Fast enough to keep up with any teammate and fast enough to get away from a bad situation quickly.
Fuck you, Relit!
STR whore is the way to go. Why would you run when you are the bad situation? 8-)
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Have 4 PS (and 150 Polearm)... but seem to keep glancing with my Long Spear!
You have 4 powerstrike yet only 150 polearm prof? What did you DO? Anyway yeah you need to double that powerstrike.
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You have 4 powerstrike yet only 150 polearm prof? What did you DO? Anyway yeah you need to double that powerstrike.
Because I had 190 1-Hand. The part I left out about the build was that I had a sai & a buckler. This was meant to be a weird, different-from-the-norm, build.
The idea was to carry a Long Spear to run-around with the group. When separated, or dueling, I'd drop the long spear and go sai & buckler (only using said because it doesn't have penalty with shield). And I didn't want to go Hoplite (as I've done that before). I wanted to truly be support when in a group... but have weird, fast, stabby, light-shield carrying action when going solo. Also the sai can block when the buckler breaks... so it made for a fun build.
However, the Long Spear part just wasn't working out. I could hit anything. I was pretty certain that the 150 wpf was fine. But I figure my glancing must be coming from the lack of PS. Which you guys confirmed.
So that's the rest of the story...
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30/15 or 33/15 is the way to go imo.
Str is king atm and if you can block halfway decently your results should be good.
Just stick with your teammates as you shaould anyways as a piker and wear heavy armour to be able to tank some hits. Pike and armour slow you down a LOT so going for a balanced or agi centered build won't be any good. Unless you go heavy agi and want to play like an annoying bee which is alot of fun but not very efficient from my experience.
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Its always gonna be better to use the bamboo spear if you are going agi anyway, slows you less and you get that overhead for when all your weak ass teammates die and you have to kill the last 7 guys yourself.
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Its always gonna be better to use the bamboo spear if you are going agi anyway, slows you less and you get that overhead for when all your weak ass teammates die and you have to kill the last 7 guys yourself.
Nobody expects the bamboo spear overhead the first time, and you can swing it surprisingly fast with an agi build. It's a great support weapon. And you can use it with your buckler to be the dumbest looking hoplite.
Oh and to answer the thread question: I like 18/27. Enough PS not to glance, but still an agi build.