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Title: Katana deserve better
Post by: Apsod on February 13, 2014, 01:56:27 pm
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in cRPG right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in cRPG. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(Wakizashi)
+31 Speed
+48 Pierce
+22 Cut

(Katana)
+43 Speed
+36 Pierce
+75 Cut


Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in cRPG, see my new stat block.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Panos_ on February 13, 2014, 01:58:33 pm
Yeah, I totally agree with Apsod, and in all honesty all 2handers should get a major buff, because 2h class is the weakest class of the mod.

What I propose.

Katana : +10000 Speed, +100 Pierce Stab, +300000000 Swing damage (Don`t forget that Apsod san can cut steel plate with his katana, TOTAL REALISM)


P.s : I`m pretty sure Thomek will masturbate with my suggestion.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: korppis on February 13, 2014, 02:09:34 pm
It sure deserves better. Make it unusable by anyone without matching gear (ie tincans wielding katana is just so very wrong and makes me womit blood from disgust).
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Utrakil on February 13, 2014, 02:21:01 pm
Katanas should also be able to destroy any not katana weapon with the first slash.
please implement
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: En_Dotter on February 13, 2014, 02:37:24 pm
I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Ummm... Mate, that aint steel, those are bamboo sticks that "represent" muscle and bone tissue... Maybe your japanese dictionary is wrong man. Bamboo is bamboo and not steel...
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Apsod on February 13, 2014, 02:58:43 pm
Ummm... Mate, that aint steel, those are bamboo sticks that "represent" muscle and bone tissue... Maybe your japanese dictionary is wrong man. Bamboo is bamboo and not steel...
I cut steel.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Molly on February 13, 2014, 03:31:11 pm
Don't think I like the suggestion tbh... right now, barely anyone except the properly themed guys are running around with Katanas. I'd like to keep it that way.
Making that stats that much better would certainly lead to a lot more people using it... Nope, don't like that thought.

Though the stab could use a small upgrade - probably the only bouncy stab left in the whole mod. :)
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Bronto on February 13, 2014, 03:42:38 pm
Source:

Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: kinngrimm on February 13, 2014, 03:44:14 pm
We all know that even Chuck Norris is using Katanas, so hell yeah Katana needs an upgrade, give it the abilities of the Boom Sticks of Aladin.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Casimir on February 13, 2014, 03:55:32 pm
I once saw a katana cut straight through a tank.

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Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Apsod on February 13, 2014, 03:55:52 pm
Don't think I like the suggestion tbh... right now, barely anyone except the properly themed guys are running around with Katanas. I'd like to keep it that way.
Making that stats that much better would certainly lead to a lot more people using it... Nope, don't like that thought.

Though the stab could use a small upgrade - probably the only bouncy stab left in the whole mod. :)
After some afterthought I have decided to edit my proposed buffs a little bit.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Kafein on February 14, 2014, 12:13:48 pm
I can only approved
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Osiris on February 14, 2014, 12:28:15 pm
i used my katana and accidentally hit the floor :( It caused and earthquake
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Vibe on February 14, 2014, 12:39:16 pm
providing scientific evidence that katana is the best sword in the world

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Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: korppis on February 14, 2014, 01:31:31 pm
There is scientific proof (http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/comments/1wx7r0/how_come_when_i_swing_my_katana_through_the_air_i/) that katana can even cut atoms in half.

So basicly flaming katana is getting close to realism, but too UP since it should blow up the enemy on hit.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Osiris on February 14, 2014, 01:43:20 pm
*google images Throwing katanas looking for epicness*
* naked girl with katana is first image*

sigh what did i expect
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: korppis on February 14, 2014, 02:04:37 pm
*google images Throwing katanas looking for epicness*
* naked girl with katana is first image*

sigh what did i expect

Better than Bing search... gives two monkeys in a lake.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 14, 2014, 02:12:41 pm
Fuck your stupid overrated sword.

providing scientific evidence that katana is the best sword in the world

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Except thats wakizashi.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Butan on February 14, 2014, 02:19:57 pm
Replace Katana with Flaming Katana.


Game fixed.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Molly on February 14, 2014, 05:21:08 pm
Fuck your stupid overrated sword.

Except thats wakizashi.
Most useless weapon in the game, even below wooden stick. BUFF!
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 14, 2014, 07:45:59 pm
Most useless weapon in the game, even below wooden stick. BUFF!

Not really.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 20, 2014, 03:07:02 pm
metal can cut other metal, yes its realism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_scale

If one metals hardness is higher then the others, it will "cut" the metal.  Most tools have very high hardness levels like tin snips, and yet you can cut nails in half with them, which are made of steel.

Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Hecur on February 20, 2014, 03:41:46 pm
just stop whinening and devs will remove them completly
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Gmnotutoo on February 21, 2014, 01:37:38 am
Superior Japanese Steel is so powerful that universes are created when multiple katanas strike against each other.

buff katana.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Penitent on February 28, 2014, 09:50:30 pm
You guys are katana noobs.  I have six katanas and each one is inscribed with the blood of the ancient samarai voodoo warriors who created them in the year 300 BC.  This is documented, I have the certificate.  I know from personal knowledge that just one of these swords is harder than a meteorite, so you can just image all six of them.  Oh my gosh.

The game doesn't properly reflect this, and that is an understatement.  I will volunteer myself as katana team balance consultant to get things is the proper order.  I am qualified since I have the certificates and everything.  Six katanas don't lie, people.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Ujio on May 07, 2014, 01:36:27 pm
Is this thread like some sort of lure, so we can get all the
Xenophobes left in the mod, in one place, and commence the Great Purge?

Much like that scene in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Molly on May 07, 2014, 04:26:53 pm
Why, oh why, would you awake the dead?!
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Butan on May 07, 2014, 06:37:03 pm
Like when they unite all the Jedi on Dantooine and then eat their force?

No, more like when they "insert relevant star wars analogy that will make you look nerdy as fuck"


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Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Thryn on May 08, 2014, 02:44:27 pm
editing this post later

going to put in a video about katana cultists
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Apple_the_Green on September 29, 2014, 02:59:04 am
Nodachi Better. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Battlepriest on September 29, 2014, 06:09:24 am
I SMELL NECKBEARD
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: agweber on September 29, 2014, 07:08:39 pm
Nodachi Better. :mrgreen:
Quit gravedigging!

... I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
...
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in cRPG. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
...
Katana
+43 Speed
+36 Pierce
+75 Cut
2,400,000g purchase price
170,000g upkeep

...

k thx bai
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on October 01, 2014, 01:54:09 am
1 Yen = 1 Gold

Dat Calradian inflation.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Soldier_of_God on October 01, 2014, 02:14:28 am
I SMELL NECKBEARD

Cthulu, god of tentacle rape and neckbeards, hereby offers support to the katana question (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Katana).

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Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Battlepriest on October 01, 2014, 06:33:23 am
Cthulu, god of tentacle rape and neckbeards, hereby offers support to the katana question (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Katana).

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http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Katanas_are_Underpowered_in_d20

i have added this to the list

btw i HIGHLY RECOMMEND reading through all of those x are underpowered in y's because they're all fan fucking tastic
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Umbra on October 01, 2014, 10:53:52 am
But does it blend?
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Cheeky on October 20, 2014, 11:48:20 am
Buff the Katana.

God wills it.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 25, 2014, 02:10:06 pm

Obviously I should be posting this but bleh!!!

Good to see another Katana thread.


Also the new hit Japanese superiority topic is Yumi vs Long Bow.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 25, 2014, 02:14:35 pm
Really though, buff damascus steel!!!
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Ujio on October 28, 2014, 11:29:29 pm
Like when they unite all the Jedi on Dantooine and then eat their force?

That's the one!
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on November 15, 2014, 11:24:57 pm
Lol, one more of these "katana so great irl" threads
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Siiem on February 09, 2015, 10:08:48 pm
I think the big boy hitting nagasaki, was actually tip fitted with a katana to slice the atoms. This is how the muricans created a nuke with just TNT.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 10, 2015, 04:09:42 pm
I once saw a katana lance shooting lasers cut straight through a tank.



So did I, that game was awesome...
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Richyy on February 10, 2015, 06:27:03 pm
Yeah, I totally agree with Apsod, and in all honesty all 2handers should get a major buff, because 2h class is the weakest class of the mod.

What I propose.

Katana : +10000 Speed, +100 Pierce Stab, +300000000 Swing damage (Don`t forget that Apsod san can cut steel plate with his katana, TOTAL REALISM)


P.s : I`m pretty sure Thomek will masturbate with my suggestion.

Hahahahahahaha i laughed hard at this :lol:
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: korppis on February 10, 2015, 09:41:51 pm
In one episode in warehouse 13 there was this katana that was so sharp that it could split light. So when the guy held it's edge towards observer, he became invisible.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Rebelyell on February 11, 2015, 04:57:45 pm
KILL THAT TOPIC
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Siiem on February 11, 2015, 05:16:20 pm
In one episode in warehouse 13 there was this katana that was so sharp that it could split light. So when the guy held it's edge towards observer, he became invisible.

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Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 21, 2015, 01:18:01 pm
Katana realism thread and no one posted this video?! :shock:



SHAME ON YOU!
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: SG_Anani on June 05, 2015, 08:03:36 pm
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction.

Is this a joke? Medieval Europe never bothered conquering japan?

Medieval europe was nowhere near japan plus the two never probably knew eachother existed when it was actually the ''medieval'' times.

Anyways I personally know a bit but I honestly don't really care what used to happen on that cute island of yours. Just be grateful that there are these samurai armors that break the immersion 99%(along with some other armors).

Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 05, 2015, 08:11:44 pm
Alright... Look. The katana was a weapon of eastern origin that was super duper op. You could literally cleave through full plate with a katana like it was paper. To this day, we don't fully understand how the ancient Japanese made such badass weapons. The katana was EASILY the most powerful type of sword.

However, I think this is one of those situations where it would be better to NOT be super realistic. The 2h spam is already bad enough.

If you wanted to make the katana "realistic" it would have to IGNORE armor, be able to chop peoples weapons in half on parry, and do at LEAST 60-70 damage. Yeah lets not do that. Downvote for you, sorry  :|
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Gurgumul on June 05, 2015, 10:03:45 pm
Katana is best sword, I saw it in chinese cartoons!
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: SG_Anani on June 08, 2015, 12:21:14 pm
Alright... Look. The katana was a weapon of eastern origin that was super duper op. You could literally cleave through full plate with a katana like it was paper. To this day, we don't fully understand how the ancient Japanese made such badass weapons. The katana was EASILY the most powerful type of sword.

However, I think this is one of those situations where it would be better to NOT be super realistic. The 2h spam is already bad enough.

If you wanted to make the katana "realistic" it would have to IGNORE armor, be able to chop peoples weapons in half on parry, and do at LEAST 60-70 damage. Yeah lets not do that. Downvote for you, sorry  :|

Can you tell me on which world the actual plate armor used by europeans was cleaved by a katana? What is your reference when saying that katana could cleave trough plate armor like paper? I am seriously curious.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 08, 2015, 03:59:11 pm
Alright... Look. The katana was a weapon of eastern origin that was super duper op. You could literally cleave through full plate with a katana like it was paper. To this day, we don't fully understand how the ancient Japanese made such badass weapons. The katana was EASILY the most powerful type of sword.

However, I think this is one of those situations where it would be better to NOT be super realistic. The 2h spam is already bad enough.

If you wanted to make the katana "realistic" it would have to IGNORE armor, be able to chop peoples weapons in half on parry, and do at LEAST 60-70 damage. Yeah lets not do that. Downvote for you, sorry  :|

Cant tell if serious..
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 08, 2015, 06:37:00 pm
Cant tell if serious..

www.shinkendo.com/kabuto.html

sure, it isn't a normal occurance, but well-made katanas were more than capable of slicing plate; something that most people would deem impossible to do with a cutting weapon.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 08, 2015, 08:11:12 pm
A katana really isnt sharper than any other sword afaik, the curve just makes it slightly better for slashing. And you dont slice through plate, this is just insane. "Well made katanas" are no better than the average european sword, theyre just getting close to being on par, japanese pig steel just needs insane work to actually be usable without the weapon becoming complete garbage. They still are though.. That helm couldve been made out of the same garbage aswell, try doing that on an european helmet.

And then theres also the katana tests made now recently, that use katanas made of modern steel, which basically makes them into a new weapon and not a traditional katana.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 09, 2015, 03:40:31 am
A katana really isnt sharper than any other sword afaik, the curve just makes it slightly better for slashing. And you dont slice through plate, this is just insane. "Well made katanas" are no better than the average european sword, theyre just getting close to being on par, japanese pig steel just needs insane work to actually be usable without the weapon becoming complete garbage. They still are though.. That helm couldve been made out of the same garbage aswell, try doing that on an european helmet.

And then theres also the katana tests made now recently, that use katanas made of modern steel, which basically makes them into a new weapon and not a traditional katana.

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the tests done in that article involved legit ancient weapons and armor. And I think they did a few more tests with katanas made by modern-day mastersmiths in the same fashion the ancient Japanese made them.

And btw my dad's childhood friend is the American mastersmith. I'm not even kidding, he makes shit like katanas and stuff to decorate the whitehouse, and of all the blades he makes, the katanas are without question the easiest to slice n dice things with. So I'm not just pulling these ideas out of my ass, although I'm not saying I'm absolutely right either, never swung a legit ancient katana against a guy in plate.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Thomek on June 09, 2015, 03:45:46 am
old :)
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 09, 2015, 05:01:12 am
old :)


Woah wait is this a dev? Is this the Jesus who could answer our broken strat questions?
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 09, 2015, 04:14:03 pm
I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the tests done in that article involved legit ancient weapons and armor. And I think they did a few more tests with katanas made by modern-day mastersmiths in the same fashion the ancient Japanese made them.

And btw my dad's childhood friend is the American mastersmith. I'm not even kidding, he makes shit like katanas and stuff to decorate the whitehouse, and of all the blades he makes, the katanas are without question the easiest to slice n dice things with. So I'm not just pulling these ideas out of my ass, although I'm not saying I'm absolutely right either, never swung a legit ancient katana against a guy in plate.  :rolleyes:

Katanas do look fancy, but they are by no means a godtier sword that can cut plate, or a sword. They are more of a status thing than anything, doubt anyone in battle would pick a katana over a naginata for example, atleast not those who wants to be able to fight.

The tests werent done against plate anyways, and no tests with any other sword than katana as far as i read.


Dont we all love lindybeige
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Bronto on June 09, 2015, 05:40:09 pm
Probably the most definite proof of Katana...

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Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Thomek on June 09, 2015, 10:30:38 pm


Woah wait is this a dev? Is this the Jesus who could answer our broken strat questions?

Sorry.. I thought someone reposted the 1st vid in this thread. It was late, I was tired and it was bedtime. Didn't realize you made a fresh post in this thread.

Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Battlepriest on June 10, 2015, 08:36:42 am
OH MY GOD NONE OF YOU ARE NECKBEARDS

HOW ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT THIS

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YOU SEE THAT

THAT'S A NECKBEARD

IT'S A 4CHAN THING

LOOK

LOOK AT THIS

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Katanas_are_Underpowered_in_d20

i have added this to the list

btw i HIGHLY RECOMMEND reading through all of those x are underpowered in y's because they're all fan fucking tastic

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Katanas_are_Underpowered_in_d20

i have added this to the list

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Katanas_are_Underpowered_in_d20

http://1d4chan.org/wiki

4chan

READ IT my old friend








srsly tho the op is making a joke that none of you are getting
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 10, 2015, 04:09:09 pm
OH MY GOD NONE OF YOU ARE NECKBEARDS

HOW ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT THIS

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YOU SEE THAT

THAT'S A NECKBEARD

IT'S A 4CHAN THING

LOOK

LOOK AT THIS

READ IT my old friend








srsly tho the op is making a joke that none of you are getting

I am the infamous hacker 4chan, i didnt know of this though. I have been enlightened, allthough this is probably some other neckbeardier board than i roam.
Title: Re: Katana deserve better
Post by: woody on September 11, 2015, 12:34:21 am
Done in the presence of experts both pro and anti katana in controlled conditions not some tosser filming himself.

End of Katana super weapon discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFu11mSutd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFu11mSutd0)