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Title: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_GeorgeWashington on March 25, 2012, 07:47:18 pm
How a non-racist remark can in fact be labeled racist by a higher authority and therefore be marked as evil racism on the internet.  Whether this is called the evils of internet racism or the evils of admin corruptness we will never fully understand but here below lies an adventure that one like yourself can take to explore the very foundations of the racism that plagues our internet today.  Come, take my hand and together like us explore down this hole of untold mystery and by the end of this long journey, you're persona, nay, your very soul will be touched in such an untold manner that you will feel yourself uplifted to such heights that one believes an angel has made them divine.

Internet racism is nothing new.   At one time, many internet users subscribed to the notion that faceless interaction would lead to a decline in racism.  It was said that on the internet everybody is equal.  Since we can’t see each other’s faces, the only way we can judge others is by the content of their character.  It was just another version of colorblindness.  The colorblind ideology is linked to racism.  My first experience with colorblind racism was on a gardening forum, of all places.  And what I tended to notice was that white people didn’t assume other folks at the keyboard were a multi-hued group, all of whom were equal.  They tended instead to assume everybody on the other end was white.  And they posted accordingly.  Now you wouldn’t think that a gardening forum would be a hotbed of racism, would you?  But what I found was that there were so many subtle and not-so-subtle racist remarks towards people of color.   (Not to mention all those other  -isms.)  What happened if you (I) mentioned anything?  What’s the matter, you can’t take a joke? You’re the real racist, injecting racism where it doesn’t exist!  It’s not racist, you just don’t understand …  And then you know who the bad guy is.  It’s the person who points out the racism.  No matter how kindly or sensitively it’s done.  No matter how thoughtfully difficult issues are explained.  Because everybody else was just having fun.  Except for you.  Yeah, it was the beginning of We heard it before.  For the most part, I previously thought about internet racism as being fueled by anonymity.  Take a look at the comments sections of news sites.  Even when there is a little blip that reads something like Blah blah blah we value freedom of speech and reasoned discourse blah blah blah no racist or sexist or any other kind of ist will be tolerated. And then directly following that is usually a bunch of -ist comments.  Sometimes it’s because free speech is privileged above preventing racist harm. But sometimes it’s because the racism isn’t even recognized.  But then came the popularity of social media sites like myspace and Facebook and twitter.  Which blows my “anonymity” theory right out of the water.  There’s been a lot of racist tweeting going on, from politicians to has-been celebrities to sportswriters.  Facebook is a known site for college racists.  But if the racist perpetrator attached his or her name to racism, what does that mean? Does it mean that they didn’t care about it? Or that they didn’t think about it? Or that they knew that within their circle everybody else would agree?  Or maybe even that they were proud of it?  Sometimes I wonder about the constant reinforcement of racist ideology through the internet.  It can permeate your brain through the constant white framing of the media.  It can attack you when you’re least aware, like when you are happily reading something interesting only to be slapped by a sudden burst of surprise racism.  It can be vicarious racism.  It can trigger.  Honestly, I think sometimes I should put a trigger warning on the whole damn thing.  Maybe the open racism on the internet is a wake-up call to all of us.  We thought it was about those trolls who hid in dark places.  But instead we find out it’s everybody.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Smoothrich on March 25, 2012, 08:13:23 pm
Unironically interesting subject, with many the same points I've been trying to make in the most recent "Should saying my old friend be allowed?" thread in General Discussion here

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28604.0.html

As members of an "online community" I think we should treat our actions and enforcement of anti-discriminatory standards with some.. common sense sometimes.  Instead, "racism" or "sexism" seems to be ignored 90 percent of the time, even something I am guilty of, due to my belief in freedom of speech, and usually assuming someone is either being misguided, or being playful.  When there is actual malcontent behind words, to harass an individual, or truly denigrate a people, I think action is justifiable.

However in this case I think people were playing the "protector of racial equality" card as an excuse to ban someone they had a predisposed judgement of.  Pre-judged.  Prejudiced.  Who really was the prejudiced one, in this ban?

A good essay that shows actual critical thinking while addressing the issues at hand.  GeorgeWashington can be a troll but I consider him a good player and funny dude, and like having him on the servers.

give me liberty or give me permaban~`
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Ganner on March 25, 2012, 08:17:29 pm
For the record, George has 8 bans, 5 of them this year alone.

Just an FYI.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 25, 2012, 08:22:40 pm
In context, what George said was pretty clearly meant as a joke, and you would have to be ridiculously thin-skinned to take it as anything other than that.
For the record, George has 8 bans, 5 of them this year alone.

Just an FYI.
If you want to permaban for past history then permaban him for past history, stop thinking up ridiculous excuses
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: larlek on March 25, 2012, 08:22:52 pm
Mexican is a nationality, not a race. It's just like how bleeding heart librals call people who insult islam or another religion "racist". I see no racism in what he said and honestly I don't see why he was banned.

If he had said that he wished a bunch of chinks could invade mexico and kill all those dirty beaners - then yeah that would have been racist but he didn't say that.

Muted? Yeah sure that's fine. This is what any admin with half a brain cell would have done.
Banned? Are you retarded? banning someone for saying something that you don't like?

That admin that banned this guy needs his admin rights taken away.

+1 from me.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_GeorgeWashington on March 25, 2012, 08:30:12 pm
Mexican is a nationality, not a race. It's just like how bleeding heart librals call people who insult islam or another religion "racist". I see no racism in what he said and honestly I don't see why he was banned.

If he had said that he wished a bunch of chinks could invade mexico and kill all those dirty beaners - then yeah that would have been racist but he didn't say that.

Muted? Yeah sure that's fine. This is what any admin with half a brain cell would have done.
Banned? Are you retarded? banning someone for saying something that you don't like?

That admin that banned this guy needs his admin rights taken away.

+1 from me.



Banned for 30 days btw
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 25, 2012, 08:33:13 pm
Good unban essay though I don't think you deserved one in the first place, like John Adams said if it's cause of your past history that you keep getting banned that should be the reason for the essay, not remarks that are the same level as what 1/2 the people who play cRPG say.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 25, 2012, 08:33:33 pm
In context, what George said was pretty clearly meant as a joke, and you would have to be ridiculously thin-skinned to take it as anything other than that.If you want to permaban for past history then permaban him for past history, stop thinking up ridiculous excuses

Oh look, his buddy troll.

Essay was too hard to read with the gigantic paragraph at the end, and the altogether dry reading.

Also, George Washington was not a Republican.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 25, 2012, 08:35:51 pm
Oh look, his buddy troll.
Name a time I've trolled anyone over anything in the past month I've been back. Just wearing the FF tags doesn't automatically make me a huge troll, though I really don't take issue with people poking fun at and talking shit to some of the more thin-skinned people who play this game.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_GeorgeWashington on March 25, 2012, 08:37:49 pm
Oh look, his buddy troll.

Actually, FF_JohnAdams is a respected player and one of the only FF members who hasn't trolled at all.  You should refrain from flaming another person in this thread or don't post.  This is an unban essay for myself, not a flame thread on players.  If you can't contain yourself from doing so, I will report to you to a moderator.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 25, 2012, 08:39:48 pm
Name a time I've trolled anyone over anything in the past month I've been back. Just wearing the FF tags doesn't automatically make me a huge troll, though I really don't take issue with people poking fun at and talking shit to some of the more thin-skinned people who play this game.

How about kicking me every time I tried to shoot a week or so ago, interrupting my attack animation? I then turned around, drew an arrow in frustration and pointed it at you to give you the hint "Stop kicking me" and then accidently released (meant to hit RMB then release LMB, and ended up doing it the other way around) and blew you away. Still not sorry for that, but I sure as hell remember it. I remember a lot of complaints on TS about you griefing the entire server that night.

Interrupting my attack animations is what I call trolling.

Actually, FF_JohnAdams is a respected player and one of the only FF members who hasn't trolled at all.  You should refrain from flaming another person in this thread or don't post.  This is an unban essay for myself, not a flame thread on players.  If you can't contain yourself from doing so, I will report to you to a moderator.

Your essay is rubbish, as I mentioned in my previous post.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 25, 2012, 08:43:11 pm
How about kicking me every time I tried to shoot a week or so ago, interrupting my attack animation? I then turned around, drew an arrow in frustration and pointed it at you to give you the hint "Stop kicking me" and then accidently released (meant to hit RMB then release LMB, and ended up doing it the other way around) and blew you away. Still not sorry for that, but I sure as hell remember it. I remember a lot of complaints on TS about you griefing the entire server that night.

Interrupting my attack animations is what I call trolling.
You were aiming at the last guy alive on the enemy team, who was currently getting ganged by at least 2 people on our team with more on the way. If that's enough to troll the entire server, then I really don't know what to say. I was just fucking around, it's not as if the situation was super serious and I cost us the round.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_GeorgeWashington on March 25, 2012, 08:44:23 pm
How about kicking me every time I tried to shoot a week or so ago, interrupting my attack animation? I then turned around, drew an arrow in frustration and pointed it at you to give you the hint "Stop kicking me" and then accidently released (meant to hit RMB then release LMB, and ended up doing it the other way around) and blew you away. Still not sorry for that, but I sure as hell remember it. I remember a lot of complaints on TS about you griefing the entire server that night.

Interrupting my attack animations is what I call trolling.

Your essay is rubbish, as I mentioned in my previous post.

As we can tell by you posts that you do nothing but troll/flame others without properly thinking through, I reported you to the mods.  You need to stop acting so immature and stop posting unless you have a serious answer to post.  As I said above, this is to comment on my ban, this is not a flame war and I hope the mods intervene if you continue otherwise.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 25, 2012, 08:45:52 pm
As I said above, this is to comment on my ban, this is not a flame war and I hope the mods intervene if you continue otherwise.

Indeed, and I did comment on the ban itself, two thirds of my original post were entirely about the original post and poster.

Oh look, his buddy troll.

Essay was too hard to read with the gigantic paragraph at the end, and the altogether dry reading.

Also, George Washington was not a Republican.


After that, I am merely responding to you and John Adams.

I am sorry but I don't think it was a very well written essay.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Slamz on March 25, 2012, 08:46:22 pm
I don't particularly like Georgewashington as a player but the essay is reasonable (if not well formatted) and from what I could gather, his ban was on pretty thin grounds anyway.  4.

I think a relevant offshoot of this is misuse of the word "racism".

Hating Mexicans is not racism any more than hating Americans would be racism.  "Mexican" is not a race.  "American" is not a race.  (The majority ethnicity in Mexico is called mestizo and covers most of central and some of south America.)

The term for someone who hates Mexicans would be "bigot", not "racist".


I would like for the admin who administered the ban to write a minimum 500 word essay on the difference between bigotry and racism with a particular focus on how admins should handle instances of bigotry.  Certainly instances of anti-American bigotry go ignored on a regular basis.  This is probably because most Americans don't care (and are used to it) but nevertheless, if national bigotry is going to be treated the same as racism, then we're going to need a lot more bans.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 25, 2012, 08:47:24 pm
The pedantry over whether it's bigotry or racism is really missing the point imo
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Slamz on March 25, 2012, 09:01:41 pm
The pedantry over whether it's bigotry or racism is really missing the point imo

I disagree.  It's important because admins have not been enforcing bigotry.  George Washington was not banned for racism, he was banned for bigotry(*).

So.... we're enforcing a no-bigotry rule now?

I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T smack down all forms of bigotry, but that means laying the 500-word essay ban on everyone who uses words like "retard", "my old friend" or talks about the people of any nation in a negative way.  (I doubt I would have to search hard to find plenty of examples of anti-American bigotry that have gone unpunished, so why the sudden crackdown on someone who said something about Mexico?)



(* - actually, saying that all Mexicans should be killed to stop the drug trade isn't even bigotry, really.  It's more like, I dunno, either a hyperbole or just a really extreme, bad idea.  Maybe we're banning hyperboles and bad ideas now.  I don't know.  I mean I am certainly a cheerful spokesman when it comes to banning people and I'm not real sure I'd miss George Washington, who I mainly think of in terms of him trolling the game at various times in the past, but I'm not on board with this particular ban.)
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 25, 2012, 09:10:21 pm
I disagree.  It's important because admins have not been enforcing bigotry.  George Washington was not banned for racism, he was banned for bigotry(*).

So.... we're enforcing a no-bigotry rule now?

I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T smack down all forms of bigotry, but that means laying the 500-word essay ban on everyone who uses words like "retard", "my old friend" or talks about the people of any nation in a negative way.  (I doubt I would have to search hard to find plenty of examples of anti-American bigotry that have gone unpunished, so why the sudden crackdown on someone who said something about Mexico?)


(* - actually, saying that all Mexicans should be killed to stop the drug trade isn't even bigotry, really.  It's more like, I dunno, either a hyperbole or just a really extreme, bad idea.  Maybe we're banning hyperboles and bad ideas now.  I don't know.  I mean I am certainly a cheerful spokesman when it comes to banning people and I'm not real sure I'd miss George Washington, who I mainly think of in terms of him trolling the game at various times in the past, but I'm not on board with this particular ban.)
Racism is a type of bigotry, and afaik it's mostly left up to admin discretion what types of bigotry "count." I've seen mutes over homophobia and sexism before, and I'm sure there've been bans over the same and other types of bigotry. imo though, arguing this amounts to rules lawyering, which doesn't really get us anywhere. The real issue should be over whether admins judge potentially bigoted things in-context or in a vacuum. Obviously, if you were to just take what he said with no context at all, it would be extreme and bigoted to say the least, but in context it's pretty clearly not intended to be mean at all, just a (bad) joke.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_GeorgeWashington on March 25, 2012, 09:13:02 pm
I would like to hear the thoughts of the admin who issued the ban.  I admit that my statement was more on the radical end but I didn't use any racial insults and it was more of a joke then sincere.  I do also agree with NH with the anti American bigotry and most Americans don't give a crap because people shouldn't take offense in a video game when no racist terminology is used.  Usually Europeans don't even take offense.  The Americans and British have insulted each other ever since we booted their empire out of the Americas.  It's all in good fun and people know not to take it seriously unless you have some sort of hate or prejudice against the person.  I know I'm not the most well liked player but I apologize for tk's and twing and I haven't trolled in months.  If the admins are basing me from the past, then so be it I guess.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Kalam on March 25, 2012, 09:53:08 pm
Unbanned. I don't really care about quality so much as you taking the time to think about it for a second.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 25, 2012, 10:46:25 pm
Unbanned. I don't really care about quality so much as you taking the time to think about it for a second.
im glad that you gave him, and all of us, the opportunity to think about the joke that he made
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 27, 2012, 09:07:00 am
Also, George Washington was not a Republican.

Who claims that he is in this thread?
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: hospitaller_frogger on March 30, 2012, 09:59:06 am
This game is dumb.  Making people write unban essays is even dumbererer.  Admins take this stuff too seriously.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 30, 2012, 10:04:12 am
Who claims that he is in this thread?

No one, it was merely an observation as I found his Avatar combined with his text underneath it to be humorous, as GW had notable differing ideals from that of the Republican Party.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Jacko on March 30, 2012, 10:20:44 am
Hah what. I say he should write his OWN essay instead of just ripping the second search result from google.

http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/internet-racism/
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Vibe on March 30, 2012, 10:29:18 am
Hah what. I say he should write his OWN essay instead of just ripping the second search result from google.

http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/internet-racism/

OWNED HARD

8 bans, now copying an essay to get an easy unban.
Perma ban this fucker, clearly he hasn't learned shit.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: larlek on March 30, 2012, 10:48:03 am
OWNED HARD

8 bans, now copying an essay to get an easy unban.
Perma ban this fucker, clearly he hasn't learned shit.

Considering the fact that he did nothing wrong in the first place, I don't think there was a lesson to learn anyway. That is unless you see wanting the chinese to invade mexico to stop the drug cartel as a bad thing.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Vibe on March 30, 2012, 10:55:53 am
Considering the fact that he did nothing wrong in the first place, I don't think there was a lesson to learn anyway. That is unless you see wanting the chinese to invade mexico to stop the drug cartel as a bad thing.

>> 8 bans <<
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Cepeshi on March 30, 2012, 10:56:27 am
you americans are so full of win  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 30, 2012, 11:02:34 am
No one, it was merely an observation as I found his Avatar combined with his text underneath it to be humorous, as GW had notable differing ideals from that of the Republican Party.

Actually republicanism has nothing to do with the republican party. Perhaps reading a book before insulting someone would help.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 30, 2012, 04:34:55 pm
Hah what. I say he should write his OWN essay instead of just ripping the second search result from google.

http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/internet-racism/

Well now, this explains why the thing did not feel genuine... He did not write the bloody thing. Honestly a cheap move, keep him banned.

Actually republicanism has nothing to do with the republican party. Perhaps reading a book before insulting someone would help.
Yes darling, I'll ignore all of the insults/ignorant statements I have seen you fling in the past, forgive me oh mighty one for making a mistake unlike you oh-perfect ATS masters and your personal gleaming reputation. I am so well and truly sorry for daring step out of line, will you ever forgive me kind sir? I beg of you to forgive my ignorance, and will clean your boots with my tongue and kiss your ring a thousand times if that is what it takes. I'll start reading more books sir, become more educated until I'm on the same level of the average Americ-oh wait...
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Miwiw on March 30, 2012, 04:41:41 pm
Copied? Turn it into a permament key ban then. Forever.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 30, 2012, 04:51:56 pm
Copied? Turn it into a permament key ban then. Forever.

This 100%.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2606.0.html

The above says that repeat offenders are treated more seriously, and that previous violations are considered (not just the singular incident) when punishing. If the individual in question has been banned 8 times already on the official servers alone, and can not even be bothered to write his own unbann essay, I see no reason why we should let him in.

The c-RPG community is not so small that we absolutely need every player no matter how bad. I say man up, and keep the bad eggs out. The vast majority of players have never been in trouble, and here we have a known troublemaker who breaks the rules on a regular basis and is now guilty of plagiarism.

Keep him permanently banned.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Darkkarma on March 30, 2012, 05:05:28 pm
you americans are so full of win  :mrgreen:

We can't take all of the credit

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28904.50/topicseen.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28904.50/topicseen.html)
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Slamz on March 31, 2012, 07:25:15 am
Copied? Turn it into a permament key ban then. Forever.
I would like to change my 4 to a 1.

thx.

What is it with people trolling their own unban essays?
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 31, 2012, 09:35:42 am
Yes darling, I'll ignore all of the insults/ignorant statements I have seen you fling in the past, forgive me oh mighty one for making a mistake unlike you oh-perfect ATS masters and your personal gleaming reputation. I am so well and truly sorry for daring step out of line, will you ever forgive me kind sir? I beg of you to forgive my ignorance, and will clean your boots with my tongue and kiss your ring a thousand times if that is what it takes. I'll start reading more books sir, become more educated until I'm on the same level of the average Americ-oh wait...
lmao, what does any of this have to do with what he said? you were talking about something you obviously don't know shit about and got called on it, and he was right to call you on it
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_Patrick_Henry on March 31, 2012, 10:58:34 am
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well I always knew George to make good topics but this is really one for the history books! I'm going to abstain from my typical faux-rp posting style because there are a couple of things that need to be addressed.

Regarding Tears of Destiny's ( :lol: ) tirade of Anti-George Washington comments. I'd like to address Republicanism, and perhaps enlighten you just a touch. The Republicanism of the Founding Father is a separate entity from that which the modern Republican Party prescribes to. Republicanism of yore, as John Adams elegantly put it in 1787, is "a government, in which all men, rich and poor, magistrates and subjects, officers and people, masters and servants, the first citizen and the last, are equally subject to the laws." This information is available to you on the internet, for free, thanks to the sacrifices of loyal, honorable, and patriotic Americans. If you are an American and you are past the typical angsty high school phase I really do recommend you reconsider your stance on America. At the least, try to avoid spouting your unwanted opinions in other peoples unban topics in order to further some self-serving notion of authority in the CRPG Community.


To get to my main point, though, the CRPG community needs to settle down with its tireless witch hunt. George Washington is no worse a troll than the majority of members in this community. Sure, his jokes are crass and he's been known to round delay occasionally but honestly that does not warrant such an outburst of hatred. Now, as a standing believer in fundamental Republicanism, I agree with what John Adams famously wrote and I also believe that if you, the admins of CRPG, wish to treat George Washington so sternly than so should you treat everyone. If you choose to over-look other players transgressions on so many occasions than so should George Washington be treated. I'm not asking for much, just some consistency.


Don't let the vocal minority decide George Washington's fate, look to Republicanism for true equality and justice.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Ganner on March 31, 2012, 11:06:18 am
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well I always knew George to make good topics but this is really one for the history books! I'm going to abstain from my typical faux-rp posting style because there are a couple of things that need to be addressed.

Regarding Tears of Destiny's ( :lol: ) tirade of Anti-George Washington comments. I'd like to address Republicanism, and perhaps enlighten you just a touch. The Republicanism of the Founding Father is a separate entity from that which the modern Republican Party prescribes to. Republicanism of yore, as John Adams elegantly put it in 1787, is "a government, in which all men, rich and poor, magistrates and subjects, officers and people, masters and servants, the first citizen and the last, are equally subject to the laws." This information is available to you on the internet, for free, thanks to the sacrifices of loyal, honorable, and patriotic Americans. If you are an American and you are past the typical angsty high school phase I really do recommend you reconsider your stance on America. At the least, try to avoid spouting your unwanted opinions in other peoples unban topics in order to further some self-serving notion of authority in the CRPG Community.


To get to my main point, though, the CRPG community needs to settle down with its tireless witch hunt. George Washington is no worse a troll than the majority of members in this community. Sure, his jokes are crass and he's been known to round delay occasionally but honestly that does not warrant such an outburst of hatred. Now, as a standing believer in fundamental Republicanism, I agree with what John Adams famously wrote and I also believe that if you, the admins of CRPG, wish to treat George Washington so sternly than so should you treat everyone. If you choose to over-look other players transgressions on so many occasions than so should George Washington be treated. I'm not asking for much, just some consistency.


Don't let the vocal minority decide George Washington's fate, look to Republicanism for true equality and justice.

So your just going to gloss over the fact he just C/Ped a google search?
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on March 31, 2012, 05:20:55 pm
So your just going to gloss over the fact he just C/Ped a google search?
he put exactly as much thought into his unban essay as kalam put into banning him for what would have been, at most, muteworthy if anyone else had said it. like i said, if y'all wanna ban him for past history just do that instead of making excuses. so far past ban history is literally the only reason anyone in here has come up with for keeping this ban in the first place
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: larlek on March 31, 2012, 05:28:57 pm
he put exactly as much thought into his unban essay as kalam put into banning him for what would have been, at most, muteworthy if anyone else had said it. like i said, if y'all wanna ban him for past history just do that instead of making excuses. so far past ban history is literally the only reason anyone in here has come up with for keeping this ban in the first place

+1

The ban was bullshit in the first place. Stop making so much commotion over something of such little importance and just move the fuck on people. Seriously.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: ammeron on March 31, 2012, 06:21:27 pm
i love the people saying "perma ban this fucker", u people are worthless.  its not like having a guy troll around a little bit every now in then is making everyones crpg experience less enjoyable, ur saying if someone loggs on and says a questionable joke that ruins ur crpg for the day? thats bull shit, relax and have some fun ffs. i understand if he went around tk'n 5 people on purpose,  but none of this stuff is serious even remotely.  i'd copy my ban essay too if i was banned for something so insignificant.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 31, 2012, 06:33:33 pm
Past history and all that yo, past history. Rawr! Hence why some want perma bans.

Regardless, the rules in the ban forum clearly state it is up to the admins, so the opinions of the peasants are considered but ultimately you need to convince the important people and not your peers (and he is failing at the moment).
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Digglez on March 31, 2012, 07:51:31 pm
Wow, did not see that one coming at all!

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Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Anwyl on April 05, 2012, 11:04:54 am
Hah what. I say he should write his OWN essay instead of just ripping the second search result from google.

http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/internet-racism/
OWNED HARD

8 bans, now copying an essay to get an easy unban.
Perma ban this fucker, clearly he hasn't learned shit.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Nessaj on April 05, 2012, 11:09:41 am
PERMA BAN!
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 05, 2012, 09:01:26 pm
PERMA BAN!
He was unbanned *shrugs*
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Jarlek on April 05, 2012, 09:47:01 pm
He was unbanned *shrugs*
The fuck?
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 05, 2012, 10:02:56 pm
The fuck?

Was playing two days ago on NA_1
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Vibe on April 06, 2012, 08:26:54 am
Uh... yeah. I guess copy pasta essays are now the way to get unbanned?
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Nessaj on April 06, 2012, 01:17:43 pm
Only in America..

 :wink:
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Molly on April 06, 2012, 01:48:50 pm
So much for "free and brave". More like dumb and ignorant, I say!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: FF_GeorgeWashington on April 07, 2012, 12:08:18 am
Feel free to look at page 2 where it was already decided.  Unfortunately as much as you want me banned or persecuted for copy/pasting my essay (It took almost a week for someone to realize I didn't write my gardening forum experience personally), it makes no difference.  I was unbanned and if you want to continually whine about it/post more to up your post count, feel free since it makes no difference.  I will also be running for admin so I'll expect your support at the booths.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Jarlek on April 07, 2012, 01:39:41 am
So he was unbanned, then 2 posts later Jacko shows us the essay was copypasta. No one does anything with it. Lolwut?
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Rainbow on April 07, 2012, 07:01:12 pm
Feel free to look at page 2 where it was already decided.  Unfortunately as much as you want me banned or persecuted for copy/pasting my essay (It took almost a week for someone to realize I didn't write my gardening forum experience personally), it makes no difference.  I was unbanned and if you want to continually whine about it/post more to up your post count, feel free since it makes no difference.  I will also be running for admin so I'll expect your support at the booths.

Lol.  You got my vote.  You sneaky pete you!
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: JohnAdams on April 08, 2012, 04:54:21 am
yeah, the mods decided a while ago that he shouldn't have been banned for it in the first place, let alone essay banned. like i said, he put exactly as much thought into the essay as was put into the ban in the first place, although I'm fairly sure most of the people still complaining about this like 10 days later aren't actually aware of why he was banned in the first place and just want something to bitch about
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on April 13, 2012, 10:12:52 pm
   
That was one boring essey :( I can put it in one screenshot from Southpark, without wasting any words:
 
(click to show/hide)

 
Filled with bare assumptions, and not a single fact or link to a source... What was the point of that wall-of-text?  I have to admit - at some point I felt like there is some deeper meaning behind all those well written, but disconnected sentences. After reading it carefully three times - still seems like pure lyrics to me :( My soul has not been touched in any way, despite a heartily promise in the first section.
 
Once again - very well written technically! imo OP deserves unban for a descent try. I would love to see it less "smart" and more to the point, using good examples. But thats just me :)

EDIT:
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Had to read the last page before wasting my time on reading that BS :) A copy/paste?! Are you shtting me? Muahahaha... I got owned.

Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Vexus on April 13, 2012, 10:15:45 pm
These threads should be locked when they get resolved....

This is what? the 5th time this unban essay gets bumped when it was already resolved on page 2 lol.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: MadMac on May 16, 2012, 12:28:23 am
How about kicking me every time I tried to shoot a week or so ago, interrupting my attack animation? I then turned around, drew an arrow in frustration and pointed it at you to give you the hint "Stop kicking me" and then accidently released (meant to hit RMB then release LMB, and ended up doing it the other way around) and blew you away. Still not sorry for that, but I sure as hell remember it. I remember a lot of complaints on TS about you griefing the entire server that night.

So you are allowed to teamwound and get away with it but nobody else is? So glad you are not an admin anymore, you've got the mind of a child. Temper tantrums and all. I've read several essays in the last 15 minutes where your temper tantrums lead to a permaban where said players have done nothing warranting such measures. Not to mention me witnessing a banning like that last year I believe.
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Muki on May 16, 2012, 12:37:52 am
So you are allowed to teamwound and get away with it but nobody else is? So glad you are not an admin anymore, you've got the mind of a child. Temper tantrums and all. I've read several essays in the last 15 minutes where your temper tantrums lead to a permaban where said players have done nothing warranting such measures. Not to mention me witnessing a banning like that last year I believe.

Can we lock this topic already? cause people posting in OLD ban essay doesn't help anyone
Title: Re: [Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist
Post by: Meow on May 16, 2012, 05:15:36 pm
Yeah, locked.
Also he seems to be completely unaware that his next ban will be a perma ban.

Good luck to him running for admin.