Cmpx, you know why I am asking for it. Come here and see my suggestion.

[Nemeth]

You will most likely be hitting the arms (inc shoulder) or legs when you need to hit the chest or head.  Shots at a 90 degree angle to your target's movement direction (where the arm facing you shields the chest) are particularly vulnerable to this.  Also, running animations such as holding a 2h place the arms in front of the chest, thus they can block a chest hit.

Actually, arms are part of the body in Warband engine. If you hit them you do the same damage as if you would hit the chest.

[MadJackMcMad]

Actually, arms are part of the body in Warband engine. If you hit them you do the same damage as if you would hit the chest.

Well christ the sniper's shit.

[Tears of Destiny]

Actually, arms are part of the body in Warband engine. If you hit them you do the same damage as if you would hit the chest.

I could have sworn that limb bones did 80% damage...

[Nemeth]

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,3128.msg55514.html#msg55514

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Well christ the sniper's shit.

Took 5 gens to find that out, and now they will probably remove those heirlooms too. I like having a goal to work towards in the background behind derping about with gameplay styles, having an exceptional anti-2htincan weapon was one of my dreams since before patches. Sad story. Today a guy with an aketon survived a shot from my mw sniper/sharp steels setup in the body. When I died I was just speccing this dude riding round with my bolt in his back with tears streaming from my eyes.

[Perceval]

riding round with my bolt in his back

speed penalty.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

speed penalty.

He was actually on foot when I shot him, coming towards me, later he mounted the horse.

[Dravic]

Tomas is right. We can discuss about power of sniper crossbow (there will be no point in using heavy, when it will take 2 slots ;) ), but the fact is:

Sniper crossbow hardly can 1shot someone. To 1shot someone we need:

- target has to stand still next to us or run towards us;
- target has to be naked (if standing still) or at really light armor (if running towards us);
- target can't be str build (if target has more than 70 hp, naked guy standing still won't die/if target has more than 60 hp, light armor guy running towards us won't die)
- some of factors above may be not needed, if we have heirloomed sniper crossbow
- it can't rain, otherwise all the shoting is shit (not because bolt flies soooo slow, but because bolt flies SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sloooooooow if compared without rain. all the training without rain doesn't help you if your bolt flies in different way on battlefield)

Well...

"Nerf sniper crossbow", huh? If we can't use proper melee weapon with sniper crossbow from next patch on, buff sniper and heavy. If sniper needs 2 shot, I believe heavy needs sometimes even 3 shots -.-

[Punisher]

Sniper crossbow hardly can 1shot someone.

I get 1 shoted by MW Sniper Crossbow with 40 body armor and 57 HP. Don't belive me, go watch DaveUKR or another guy with MW Sniper Xbow as half their kills are 1shots.

I'm not saying Sniper Xbow should be nerfed, but it doesn't need buffing either.

[Siiem]

57 HP

 

[Tzar]

Tomas is right. We can discuss about power of sniper crossbow (there will be no point in using heavy, when it will take 2 slots ;) ), but the fact is:

Sniper crossbow hardly can 1shot someone. To 1shot someone we need:

- target has to stand still next to us or run towards us;
- target has to be naked (if standing still) or at really light armor (if running towards us);
- target can't be str build (if target has more than 70 hp, naked guy standing still won't die/if target has more than 60 hp, light armor guy running towards us won't die)
- some of factors above may be not needed, if we have heirloomed sniper crossbow
- it can't rain, otherwise all the shoting is shit (not because bolt flies soooo slow, but because bolt flies SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sloooooooow if compared without rain. all the training without rain doesn't help you if your bolt flies in different way on battlefield)

Well...

"Nerf sniper crossbow", huh? If we can't use proper melee weapon with sniper crossbow from next patch on, buff sniper and heavy. If sniper needs 2 shot, I believe heavy needs sometimes even 3 shots -.-

Thank god chadz havent hired you to balance this mod.....

[Tomas_of_Miles]

I get 1 shoted by MW Sniper Crossbow with 40 body armor and 57 HP. Don't belive me, go watch DaveUKR or another guy with MW Sniper Xbow as half their kills are 1shots.

I'm not saying Sniper Xbow should be nerfed, but it doesn't need buffing either.

Does the system work by subtracting armour from the damage value received (after velocity calculations)? If so how much variance is there between shot damage at the same conditions (trajectory, distance, position)? Anyhow the damage reduction factor pierce is quite low isn't it? Or has chadz tweaked that? If I use a MW sniper with Sharp steels, 87p (that's what it says in-game, correct me if it isn't right) + 10p for the bolts = 97p. If you are moving towards them in any way, straight or diagonal, you are contributing to the speed bonus, which would bring that above 97p, so that's why you might die in one shot with that armour and health, if armour soak and block allows it. So how the hell did the dude in the aketon survive? As said before I suppose it must have been Ironflesh. So I guess it has its uses...
 

[Spawny]

I've seen it all in 1 gen of playing a dedicated crossbowman.

With 160 prof and sniper xbow (just a regular one, as I'm just trying it), I've had archers surviving bodyshots from 2-3 meters away. Guys in medium/heavier armour (the ones below transitional) surviving 3 hits. Naked people surviving a body shot from less than 15 meters away.

On the other hand, I've hit headshots on evading horse archers and killed archers over long distances in 1 shot (they could've been hurt allready).

For me, playing a crossbowman is a bit of a gamble. I kept track yesterday during some rounds in battle and out of every 10 hits (all ranges) I got an average of about 2 kills. The other 8 hits were survived.
People surviving bolts is particularly annoying when they're very close and I can't even switch weapon between the hit and their recovery.

IMO, sniper xbows are fine as it is.

[Dravic]

IMO sniper crossbow needs +4 pierce points buff and heavy xbow +3 pierce.

[Tzar]

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