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Title: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 22, 2016, 04:58:06 pm
Shortly after posting this video, her facebook account was removed because of "hate speech"
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/16-year-old-girls-migrant-fears-video-keeps-disappearing-off-facebook/

English subs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGfP8CyJAhg
Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BCrL8kDRdI
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Panos_ on January 22, 2016, 05:11:34 pm
A 16 yo girl has more balls than most leftist liberal cucks.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Molly on January 22, 2016, 05:56:29 pm
umm... the account was deleted by her family... but yes, please... Facebook did it, conspiracy of the government and it's all to discredit Putin...

Did I forget something? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 22, 2016, 06:27:23 pm
umm... the account was deleted by her family... but yes, please... Facebook did it, conspiracy of the government and it's all to discredit Putin...

Did I forget something? :rolleyes:

Care to provide sources?
Or is it your feelings that you post like always?
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Christo on January 22, 2016, 06:30:58 pm
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Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: darmaster on January 22, 2016, 06:41:53 pm
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retard
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Leshma on January 22, 2016, 07:02:58 pm
Oh look, its another muslum thread. Seems we have finally found that infinite energy source. Someone should tell Elon Musk, so he can make muslum thread powered car or muslum thread powered spacecraft.

Thanks to glorious cRPG community and their greatest invention, muslum thread, humanity will finally have a chance of conquering the universe. Small thanks goes to Muslums for providing narrative that is being transformed into free energy at no cost whatsoever.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 22, 2016, 07:05:19 pm
Oh look, its another muslum thread. Seems we have finally found that infinite energy source. Someone should tell Elon Musk, so he can make muslum thread powered car or muslum thread powered spacecraft.

Thanks to glorious cRPG community and their greatest invention, muslum thread, humanity will finally have a chance of conquering the universe. Small thanks goes to Muslums for providing narrative that is being transformed into free energy at no cost whatsoever.

Reality hit hard, eh?
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 22, 2016, 11:52:50 pm
Haha, any turk has better german grammar than her.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Prpavi on January 23, 2016, 01:56:16 am
Yeah this is totally legit
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 23, 2016, 02:06:41 am
Oh look, its another muslum thread. Seems we have finally found that infinite energy source. Someone should tell Elon Musk, so he can make muslum thread powered car or muslum thread powered spacecraft.

Thanks to glorious cRPG community and their greatest invention, muslum thread, humanity will finally have a chance of conquering the universe. Small thanks goes to Muslums for providing narrative that is being transformed into free energy at no cost whatsoever.

Ahahah, that's an underrated post right there :D
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Admerius on January 23, 2016, 02:55:19 am
Increase the fire suppression system's effectiveness in/near the Reichstag asap! (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/locals-fled-pool-after-migrants-masturbated-into-jacuzzi-defecated-into-kids-pool-molested-bathers/)
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Rico on January 23, 2016, 03:27:36 am
Did I forget something? :rolleyes:
Yes, the German government hired you as a cyber-propaganda agent. Your job is to obfuscate Europe's forced collective suicide. You specialize in misinformation and sarcasm. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Everything remotely related to the refugee crisis sounds totally ridiculous. The arguments in favor of immigration are just as insane as the ones trying to restrict it. I have no idea what to believe anymore :|

I'm not a huge fan of conspiracy theories, but if there is a conspiracy to polarize the political debate, it's working damn well 8-)
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Admerius on January 23, 2016, 04:04:54 am
Rico: Simplify it down to the core and take a stance ffs.

Causal factors:
1. Ethnicity*?
*=Non-genetic
Most likely yes.
Simplified to: Yes

2. Religion?
Yes and No depends on interpretation and who you accept as authoritative chief-interpreter. The problem is that "depending on interpretation" is a bullshit argument. If it is allowed to be interpreted and still be considered an honest position that means ALL interpretations are valid(relativism serving absolutism, it's fked up)
Simplified to: Yes

3. Race*?
*=Genetically inheritable traits/appearance
No, the content of an individual's mind cannot(shouldn't) be deduced from genetically inherited appearance.
IF there are studies and/or facts that point towards genetic predisposition towards theses behaviors then it will change to a clear YES.
Simplified: No


4. Is it justifiable to be prejudiced towards individuals based on racial appearance stereotypes(skin color, facial/body structure)?
No, not in a legal sense, in court.
However, these "racist" stereotypes seems to be useful if you only have a few seconds to asses a situation and minimize risk. This is very unfortunate because: "common racists" will confuse this correlation with causation(see 3. for clarification)
That doesn't mean these stereotypes are useless when establishing a strategy to minimize risk.

My conclusion:
In order to minimize risk: be a "mild racist"(aka. suspicious, alert etc.) but do not initiate illegal actions based on this "mild racism"
Remember that we are all individuals, which means that whenever possible(always in an ideal world) each person should be assessed as such.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Rico on January 23, 2016, 04:44:10 am
Rico: Simplify it down to the core and take a stance ffs.
...
My conclusion

Now derive the conclusion's implication for the refugee crisis without sounding like a multi-culti hippie leftist, a right-wing scaremonger racist, an indecisive hanger-on or politically apathetic. You can't.

So pick your camp. Either you have a clear agenda that's clearly wrong, or an unclear agenda you can't use for anything.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 23, 2016, 10:47:09 am
Haha, any turk has better german grammar than her.

Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MvinY66r0
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2016, 10:59:32 am
[...]
Everything remotely related to the refugee crisis sounds totally ridiculous. The arguments in favor of immigration are just as insane as the ones trying to restrict it. I have no idea what to believe anymore :|
[...]
I whole-heartedly agree and I said so several times already.
For some reason people tend to over read those parts of my posts constantly or are not reading them at all and assume. *shrugs*
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Tibe on January 23, 2016, 11:26:20 am
Now derive the conclusion's implication for the refugee crisis without sounding like a multi-culti hippie leftist, a right-wing scaremonger racist, an indecisive hanger-on or politically apathetic. You can't.

So pick your camp. Either you have a clear agenda that's clearly wrong, or an unclear agenda you can't use for anything.

I can try. *cough*

Basically accepting everyone from 3rd world countries into 1st world countries was an idiotic plan to begin with. A plan that had almost only cons and barely any pros to it. If you wanted to really help people in need, do it like Denmark for example. Accept people only after proper processing. Not yell out globaly "come one, come all", let everyone inside your country,  and than start the processing. Wtf are those people supposed to do til than. They will start getting more pissed with each passing day. The fact that women have a significantly lower standing in the places where they come from is also a massive downside.

What did I sound like?
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Tibe on January 23, 2016, 12:13:35 pm
The yell that all syrians come was a real one. So everyone posed a syrian and ran for the border. Who would have thought huh? Now we even have africans posing as Syrians.

What do you mean selfish and happy that someone else takes the burden? Most of the countries in Europe were against immigration from the start. And Germany and Sweden just took everybody in and hoped it would get sorted on its own. Well it didnt. You seriuslly think Eastern Europe nations "helping" and taking 3rd world people into their own extremely intolerant population is a really good idea?  Wtf?  Why would you force random people down their throats if they dont want to. Creating a more divided and problematic society than ever. Its really ignorant of you to even consider it.  Its like you are saying "fck your intolerance and accept these people, god damn it, deal with it". I mean, good god, why? There have been like 3 attempts to burn the single refugeecenter in my country down.

And there is no humanitarian aspect. 1/5 of them do need help, the rest are, well, just here because they now can. Ask any african or non-syrian. Syria was not a 3rd world country. Infact they were actually pretty advanced before the crysis. And I do pitty them and admit the quest to help was quite noble. However unfortunately the type of help that Europeans promised them was incredibly flawed one. With shitty results to euros and shitty results to syrians.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 23, 2016, 12:15:15 pm
Yeah this is totally legit

Probably more legit than the fairy tale wonderland you want to live in.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Admerius on January 23, 2016, 02:17:48 pm
Now derive the conclusion's implication for the refugee crisis without sounding like a multi-culti hippie leftist, a right-wing scaremonger racist, an indecisive hanger-on or politically apathetic. You can't.

So pick your camp. Either you have a clear agenda that's clearly wrong, or an unclear agenda you can't use for anything.

Default position that should be adopted asap IMO:
We're not letting anyone in until we have a proper integration system up and running to deal with these volumes.
It is criminal to allow more immigrants in than we can integrate, we are doing them a disservice.
Close the borders(exception: humanitarian refugees(not economic etc.))
finance proper integration,
deport those that "beyond reasonable doubt" doesn't want to integrate.

This needs a referedum, a nation/EU-wide vote:
On how much resources should be diverted to integration/immigration.
Something like:
1.Extreme left example: Nationalize banks and the biggest companies and use the wealth to open the borders to anyone that claims refugee satus!
2.Leftist side examples: We must be able to take in everyone! Tax the rich, the companies, increase progressive tax pressure maybe even a financial transaction tax.
3."Centrist" example: We should be able to receive more than our current volumes by; raising consumption tax a little, lend some money and privatize many aspects of the integration institutions(state-funded, but privately owned).
4.Right example: Cap immigration asap to between 0,01% and 0,1% of total population, "real" refugees are welcome here on our terms. Cut the taxes and let charities take over, that way the ones that want to receive more refugees can donate to charities instead of coercing everyone through increased tax pressure.
5.Extreme right: Stop the immigration now, institute a new citizenship level: "Immigrant-citizen" who are in effect not full citizens for 5-20 year and they should be observed much more. Use immigration funds to fund police and of course the military.
On top of that: military assets should be allowed to use in law enforcement vs. "immigrant-citizens" much more easily than vs. regular citizens.

Depending on the specific details, in the different examples of proposals I listed, I'm either (2)left or (4)right, not centrist or any of the extremes.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2016, 02:33:09 pm
Poland gets every year 13 billion € from the EU.

Why?
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Falka on January 23, 2016, 03:05:21 pm
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Poland gets every year 13 billion € from the EU.

Why?

Wut? What's that got to do with... anything?
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Kalam on January 23, 2016, 04:00:03 pm

My conclusion:
In order to minimize risk: be a "mild racist"(aka. suspicious, alert etc.) but do not initiate illegal actions based on this "mild racism"
Remember that we are all individuals, which means that whenever possible(always in an ideal world) each person should be assessed as such.

Most of us are already implicitly racist in some way, unless you were raised in a fully integrated environment surrounded by people from diverse origins. It's usually a question of training yourself out of it and recognizing when it's weighting your decisions, like any other bias.

No one really complains about the huge positive bias that tall people with symmetric faces receive over their lifetimes.

'Western civilization' should probably focus on integration in regards to migrants, but there's too much negative baggage associated with the concept for it to be politically viable, until, apparently, you hit another extreme.

Why do some concepts suffer from association with reviled figures and movements in history but not others?

I don't know. Vegetarianism seems to have survived contact with that one guy. Integration could probably be extremely effective if it used the advances in understanding we've had regarding learning in the last forty years.

Anyway, you should make a single thread if you want to discuss (though 'discuss' seems to mean 'say something for the purpose of reinforcement') Muslims in Europe or the Refugee Crisis.

Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2016, 04:23:07 pm
Depending on the specific details, in the different examples of proposals I listed, I'm either (2)left or (4)right, not centrist or any of the extremes.
4.Right example: Cap immigration asap to between 0,01% and 0,1% of total population, "real" refugees are welcome here on our terms. Cut the taxes and let charities take over, that way the ones that want to receive more refugees can donate to charities instead of coercing everyone through increased tax pressure.
Poland gets every year 13 billion € from the EU.

Why?
I dare to say I personally benefit from spending my taxes into integration in Germany way more than giving it to Falka.
Why does it seem to be considered better invested in Poland tho?

Besides, politician always claimed that the EU is based on the principle of solidarity.
But Poland saying "Nope. Not gonna take any immigrants, Germany!" isn't very nice.

My suggestion: Either you all take your fair share of those people or you don't get all these juicy subventions any more. Sounds like a fair deal to me.


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Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Tibe on January 23, 2016, 05:51:20 pm
I dare to say I personally benefit from spending my taxes into integration in Germany way more than giving it to Falka.
Why does it seem to be considered better invested in Poland tho?

Besides, politician always claimed that the EU is based on the principle of solidarity.
But Poland saying "Nope. Not gonna take any immigrants, Germany!" isn't very nice.

My suggestion: Either you all take your fair share of those people or you don't get all these juicy subventions any more. Sounds like a fair deal to me.


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Because Poland and Eastern-EU rebuilt their societies raped by USSR thanks to that EU money. In a lot of ways the ex-USSR countries have a relatively decent economy and strong industries because of it. And in a lot of ways it has repayed to you aswell. Cause Poland is related and influences the overall wealth of the region.

I never knew accepting EU money equaled unquestionable loyalty. Never knew you were that shitty and considered other countires to be some form of vassals to your country because of it. We dont have to help shit. Especially when the immigrationcrysis is entirely Germanies and Swedens own fault. Immigrants have always stood infront of Europes borders. And war has always gone on in the Middle-East. It became instantly an absolutely chaotic crysis for Europe the moment you tolerant "helping" assholes decided it would be a really polite thing to open the borders for everybody. Conqrats, the word of how "friendly" Europe is now, has even reached the darkest parts of Africa.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Falka on January 23, 2016, 05:53:54 pm
Besides, politician always claimed that the EU is based on the principle of solidarity.
But Poland saying "Nope. Not gonna take any immigrants, Germany!" isn't very nice.

As I said long time ago
I think that Poland has no moral right to vote against immigration, cause in last decade we have sent a few milions of people to UK, Ireland and Germany :P

And that's not true what you say. Polish government - the previous one - actually said "Yes, bring them in, Nazis". Currently rulling party is against taking in muslim immigrants (they're willing to take christian immigrants from Syria), but they already said Poland will honour all obligations undertaken by previous government.

I dare to say I personally benefit from spending my taxes into integration in Germany way more than giving it to Falka.
Why does it seem to be considered better invested in Poland tho?

My suggestion: Either you all take your fair share of those people or you don't get all these juicy subventions any more. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

Poland will probably become net payer when current financial framework will be finished, so in 2020. Until then, pacta sunt servanda. After that, sure, we can dissolve EU :P

PS. You really think that sending refugees to Poland or in general central-east european countries will solve the problem - any problem?  :lol: They're gonna be back at your doorstep in no time. Since 1990 circa 80 000 of refugees has come to Poland from Chechnya. Less than 5 000 stayed here, the rest of them moved along to western europe.

PS2. That was really poor Molly.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Prpavi on January 23, 2016, 06:10:30 pm
Probably more legit than the fairy tale wonderland you want to live in.

Aww shit looks like we got another wannabe army tough boy on the forum.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 23, 2016, 06:43:36 pm
Aww shit looks like we got another wannabe army tough boy on the forum.

Not wannabe army tough boy, just someone who acknowledges reality and knows this refugee thing will have a bad end for Europe.
I don't live in a sheltered society and I've seen a lot of non-european foreigners being in general untrustable to me and other austrians, but that is probably "hate speech" in your mind.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Christo on January 23, 2016, 06:57:34 pm
Reality hit hard, eh?

Yes.

Muslims very, very bad !!
Injustice!

Difficult game, muslims and hit hard.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 23, 2016, 07:01:43 pm
most of Europe are selfish assholes who are more than happy for just a few countries to take on all the burden

They are actually supposed to stay in the first save countries they arrive in, e.g.: Turkey/Greece/Bulgaria, but since those countries offer little to no welfare, the refugees moved on so they can leech off from richer countries. Poland/Czech Republic is also avoided because of the huge islamophobia here and little welfare, not to also mention a bit shittier living conditions (not hating on Poland, just comparing it to where I live and Germany etc).
It is also not selfish to prefer your own people (read: OWN people, austrians over other minorities/immigrants in Austria for example).

It is generally eastern europe that still has balls to do something and they still care about their own people unlike the western powers.

Also, not to forget, there are countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia that could take them in but they won't, instead Saudia Arabia for example wants to build 200 mosques in Germany.
After all, why do they make the hard way to CHRISTIAN Europe instead for MUSLIM Middle East? Money, of course.
To consider the fact that 90% aren't even real syrians with no political affiliations, but rather terror sleeper cells from various muslim countries makes me fear the most.

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Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Falka on January 23, 2016, 08:37:45 pm
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Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia - refugees free zone  :wink:

Poland/Czech Republic is also avoided because of the huge islamophobia here and little welfare, not to also mention a bit shittier living conditions (not hating on Poland, just comparing it to where I live and Germany etc).

Who in his right mind would want to migrate to Poland, when they can go to Sweden, Germany or France  :wink: And that's not only because of lower standard of living, but also because of subminimal social support which we have here - even for citizens, let alone refugees.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: dagu807 on January 23, 2016, 09:33:01 pm
Dont worry dagu, i dont consider what you're saying to be hate speech. That doesnt necessarily mean i quite agree with:



You sure dont live in a sheltered society do you? It sounds like you live in 'Invasion of the Bodysnatchers'

'denial' is an interesting word these days. In films and popular culture these days it's only ever applied in an 'only sane man in a world gone mad' context where the hero sees the imminent danger but everyone else is in denial. But in the real world if the world genuinely isnt ending and someone is convinced that it is contrary to all reason, then that person is in denial. Denial works both ways, but we only usually see it used in the context of 'you're happy with the world the way it is therefore you're in denial' crowd.

Dw i'll laugh at the irony as much as anyone if one of the 90% 'Syrian' sleeper agents wakes up and seeks to murder me.


You have a bowl of around 200 popcorn, 20 of them are poisonous. Come on, eat one.

Can be applied to refugees too, since they can also lie, not to forget that there are concepts about "positive lying" in Islam, so you would probably end up with waaaayy more than 1000 sleeper cells who wait for the right moment á la Paris attacks and Charlie Hebdo.
https://sites.google.com/site/muslimdeception/taqiyya

The world isn't an utopia and constant hate against eachother will not change, just because we progressed and that stupid shit, but many people are too blind to see that until they are hit by reality.
Call me a fear monger, crazy man or whatever you want to call me, but I genuinely do not want to live in Europastan if shit like this continues, because you know, these immigrants pump out more than 5 kids and yet here it is encouraged you have 2 or no kids because of supposed overpopulation (China, India and Africa are overpopulated, not the West).

Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia - refugees free zone  :wink:

Who in his right mind would want to migrate to Poland, when they can go to Sweden, Germany or France  :wink: And that's not only because of lower standard of living, but also because of subminimal social support which we have here - even for citizens, let alone refugees.

They should stay in the Middle East and go to the nearest MUSLIM countries, they have the same belief and shit after all. They just come to Europe for, guess what, MONEY and the taxpayers have to slave away themselves for them.
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Prpavi on January 24, 2016, 12:16:06 am
Real world huh, must be tought out there
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: darmaster on January 24, 2016, 01:43:48 am
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Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Admerius on January 24, 2016, 04:01:11 am
Yay Star wars!

"The Empire destroyed Alderaan because of the Rebel Alliance's foreign policy."

"Saying the Sith practice of cutting off people's hands is barbaric is Sithophobic & will create more Sith Lords"

"Darth Vader isn't a real Sith Lord. He has a distorted and perverted interpretation of the Dark Side of the force."

"Humans on Tatooine can't be racist, because they have neither power nor privilege."

"Not all Nerf Herders are scruffy looking"

"Force Choke, nothing to do w/ Dark Side. Sith practice. Dont impose rebel values!"

"Attacking the Death Star created a power vacuum which led to the radicalization of the Empire."
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: cup457 on January 24, 2016, 09:19:07 pm
people saying its not ok to be racist because europeans dont live in a diversified enough society.  :rolleyes: If i went to the black neighborhoods near me i would be shot to death for being white. thanks diversity
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Miwiw on January 24, 2016, 09:59:59 pm
people saying its not ok to be racist because europeans dont live in a diversified enough society.

because diversity totally benefits us all. Cant live without lolz
Title: Re: German girl speaks out about Refugee Crisis
Post by: Beauchamp on January 25, 2016, 10:39:01 am
It is generally eastern europe that still has balls to do something and they still care about their own people unlike the western powers.

Also, not to forget, there are countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia that could take them in but they won't, instead Saudia Arabia for example wants to build 200 mosques in Germany.

At least in my country the main motivation of our president why he hate speaks refugees on every occasion is to get re-elected, caring for his own citizens is his last point of interest.
Also half of the political establishment is rather pro refugees (or rather pro EU), but yeah still compared to the western politicians they'd be considered naz.is. Like in the last week there came first refugees selected by some government agency or whatever (all from Syria, and "surprisingly" all christians :))
Lebanon accepted the most refugees per capita in the world (now amounting to 30 percent of population), Jordan also accepted a lot of refugees. Countries that refuse refugees are those oil rich ones around the gulf (Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Quatar, Kuwait etc...).

just to set it right...