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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Umbra on January 06, 2016, 12:19:57 am

Title: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Umbra on January 06, 2016, 12:19:57 am
"Witnesses and police said the men were of Arab or North African appearance." (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35237173)  :lol: :lol: :lol:

"What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."

Kek

Can any German confirm this?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 06, 2016, 12:33:16 am
Can any German confirm this?

Too busy pre-heating the ovens.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 06, 2016, 12:38:49 am
these are not real muslims
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 06, 2016, 08:22:13 am
Germany will turn into a reichtangle.  :lol:

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 06, 2016, 09:43:50 am
Well, the narrative is different here.
Most report that there simply was a big crowd and an estimated group of 15 people used that big crowd to rob people.
Sexual harassment was used to distract people from the intended robbery.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Sir_Hans on January 06, 2016, 10:45:01 am
When I read title I was thinking male perfume.  :|
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Panos_ on January 06, 2016, 11:06:39 am
To be honest the Germans deserve everything that will fall upon them.

They opened their borders, they spread their legs and now they are waiting to receive the muslim dick.

And all of that because of the guilt of what happened 75+ years ago.


Also fuck the German government for aiding the Turks, and leaving Greece to "fight" the refugee crisis all alone.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 06, 2016, 11:23:55 am
Oberyn giving a '-' for stating facts :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 06, 2016, 01:15:35 pm
Can any German confirm this?

Confirmed.

This is a reminder for fellow Germans and a quick-start guide for would-be Germans:
Of course I'm not serious. That would require voters to make a difference in politics, and politics to make a difference in world affairs. It's impossible to be serious.

News and politics are like a soap opera. Just a little more interesting. That's because there are no forums with spoilers. To anyone who is still racking their brains about anything: You must learn to judge events and political decisions by their entertainment value alone. It's the only way to protect your sanity in a world in which we know that we know nothing.

This post is merely fan mail :D

Now roast me


Edit: mayor with y
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: pogosan on January 06, 2016, 01:28:34 pm
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 06, 2016, 02:22:17 pm
Well, the narrative is different here.
Most report that there simply was a big crowd and an estimated group of 15 people used that big crowd to rob people.
Sexual harassment was used to distract people from the intended robbery.

Where did you get that from? There is only this ominous statement that the victim described parts of the groups as "nord african".

IMO:

- It is only reasonable to assume that the perpetrators (that word :P) are Muslims. In their societies women are products created by god with which men can proceed as they wish.
- It is a stupid error to blame all refugees in consequence. There are many people who lost everything and experienced horrors of ISIS or similar, we need to help those people.
- It is a terrible mistake since way before this crisis that we don't address the huge problem that we have people living among us that don't agree to our most basic human values like equality before the law. We need to make it clear what it means to live in this country.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Son Of Odin on January 06, 2016, 03:31:30 pm
Too busy pre-heating the ovens.

And prepping the railways.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 06, 2016, 04:14:57 pm
And prepping the railways.
You wouldn't believe the amount of people hinting like this on Facebook all day....
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Larvae on January 06, 2016, 05:26:20 pm
To be honest the Germans deserve everything that will fall upon them.

They opened their borders, they spread their legs and now they are waiting to receive the muslim dick.

And all of that because of the guilt of what happened 75+ years ago.


Also fuck the German government for aiding the Turks, and leaving Greece to "fight" the refugee crisis all alone.


u are just wrong.

not the germans did that,kinda all of us were against open the borders and taking uncontrolled refugees with no top number.

all was done by merkel,even without their faction,she just did it by herself.nobady knew this and she also tells us we have to accept the  violence from the refugees.
our women get behavior rulesinstead of punishment for the refugees which are criminals.

the media is lying all over the tv channels. police cant tell us the truth and ppl become more and more angry.
political correctness wont let us speak out free,otherwise we are chocolate chip cookies and so on...

its a dilemma,it wont go much longer till we have war here....
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 06, 2016, 05:31:18 pm
Well, the narrative is different here.
Most report that there simply was a big crowd and an estimated group of 15 people used that big crowd to rob people.
Sexual harassment was used to distract people from the intended robbery.
Oberyn already commented about it on the other thread, but that's the most retarded thing ever. Yeah, just as a distraction, of course. It's not like those people are known for sexual harassment otherwise... it's not like they're 20x more represented in rape statistics than others (and if rape is 20x, imagine what the sexual harassment numbers are like)... and that's the non-immigrants, no one even knows what the stats are like for immigrants, probably 100x at least come summer.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 05:50:59 pm
Well, the narrative is different here.
Most report that there simply was a big crowd and an estimated group of 15 people used that big crowd to rob people.
Sexual harassment was used to distract people from the intended robbery.

Well, that's simply not true. That's the belittlement and relativization green and leftist still try to keep up, while it is a fact that there even was one full rape and it was not about stealing or robbing, but sexual abuse and harassment.

Also lol for saying "Oberyn downvotes facts" while you downvote every fact he or other non-leftist people state. It's just sad that there are persons like you. You're a disgusting peace of shit for trying to trivialize and excuse the acts of this scum. But that's normal for extreme leftist facists who hate white people.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 06, 2016, 05:55:52 pm
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/uebergriffe-in-koeln-frauen-sollen-armlaenge-distanz-zu-fremden-halten-aid-1.5669639

Behavior guidance for German women, ah, the joys of multiculturalism! So nice to have the exotic Middle East brought straight to Europe.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 06, 2016, 06:00:43 pm
In 90% of the time especially you, mighty Warlord, are only writing about opinions and diffuse fears. I do downvote that stuff.
I showed you official statistics and numbers in one of the other dozen threads and I have yet to receive an answer to those from you.

I merely stated what the most common narrative in the popular news outlets is.
In no way did I judge them, nor did I state my personal opinion.

Downvoting this specific post just shows how furious and raging Oberyn is, how pointless it is to do anything else with his posts but to ignore them tbh. But then again, they are kinda amusing to read... sometimes...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 06:25:19 pm
So, massive crime of all sorts (abuse, rape, robbing, stealing, car theft, drug dealing and the list can go on) that are proven to be carried out all over Germany for years and years by north african and arab groups and individuals especially in Berlin, Cologne, Dortmund, Duisburg, Essen and other Ruhr area cities, while those people of 'muslim origin' are still only a minority measured at the total population, are producing "diffuse" fears? It's more like they produce justified fears.

But whatever, I just wanted to make sure to read what the normal minded people and stupid leftist like you write here, not interested in a discussion, as it is pointless anyway. There are people that use their brain and people that don't, one can not force people to think and go through the world with open eyes.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Son Of Odin on January 06, 2016, 06:31:40 pm
You wouldn't believe the amount of people hinting like this on Facebook all day....
Ahaha good ol' Germoney :lol:

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 06, 2016, 07:08:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/-3MvinY66r0

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 07:14:05 pm
^seen that a while ago, and yes, before Molly claims that the translation is wrong, it is spot on ...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 06, 2016, 07:46:11 pm
i don't understand where this discussion is going

why are statistics and reasons relevant here? does it matter if there were 15 rapists and 985 bystanders or 1000 rapists? does it matter if the women were assaulted because assaulting women is great or because it seemed like a good idea to distract from robberies and thefts?

unless i misunderstand something, the core issue is that these women, including female police officers, were assaulted. and that's something that should not be happening, regardless of the scale and scope

the next step is thinking about what to do about it. arson attacks on refugee shelters is certainly not an adequate reaction, but indeed, providing nothing but behavioral guidance for the victims is the opposite kind of extremism. that's where a reasonable discussion may be fruitful.

sadly it's impossible to have a sober discussion on the topic because it's gonna escalate into nationalist/racist/fearmongering vs. leftist/multiculti/bluepill camps shouting at each other in a matter of seconds. the political situation in germany is polarized to the extent that we might as well stop trying to fix it because it's a lost cause. there is no room for anything except extremism or bystanderism in this country

since extremism is no option, let's share a cigar and a bottle of champagne, gentlemen. i'm expecting beautiful explosions, not unlike fireworks but a little more dangerous
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 06, 2016, 07:47:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/-3MvinY66r0
What a despicable little cockroach.

Take a good, long look folks. That is the enemy. The frontline fighters for the worst ideology in our lifetime.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 06, 2016, 07:50:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/v/-3MvinY66r0

Disgusting. But mostly it makes me very, very sad.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 06, 2016, 07:57:44 pm
Hate would be the most honest feeling. And the most rational.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 06, 2016, 08:14:49 pm
So, massive crime of all sorts (abuse, rape, robbing, stealing, car theft, drug dealing and the list can go on) that are proven to be carried out all over Germany for years and years by north african and arab groups and individuals especially in Berlin, Cologne, Dortmund, Duisburg, Essen and other Ruhr area cities, while those people of 'muslim origin' are still only a minority measured at the total population, are producing "diffuse" fears? It's more like they produce justified fears.

But whatever, I just wanted to make sure to read what the normal minded people and stupid leftist like you write here, not interested in a discussion, as it is pointless anyway. There are people that use their brain and people that don't, one can not force people to think and go through the world with open eyes.
There really is no point in discussing, Amen.
Right in this post your mixing apples with peaches and call them bananas. Where is the point?

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I prolly should stop opening your posts. I put you ignore for a reason... sometimes I forget and instantly you remind me.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tagora on January 06, 2016, 08:22:33 pm
upside is higher quality cuck porn
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 06, 2016, 08:25:26 pm
Found something to read for Warlord. I dare you to actually read it!

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/koeln-silvester-mob-und-gegenmob-kolumne-a-1070724.html

And my favourite part as quote:
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Zivilisiert zu sein bedeutet, nacheinander neun Schwarzhaarigen zu begegnen, die sich alle als Arschlöcher erweisen, und trotzdem dem zehnten Schwarzhaarigen nicht deshalb in die Fresse zu hauen. Es gibt nicht den einen Auslöser, nach dem Rassismus plötzlich okay ist. Wer angesichts der Kölner Attacken überlegt, ob rassistische Verallgemeinerungen vielleicht doch okay sind, war schon vorher Rassist und hat sich bloß nicht getraut, das zu kommunizieren.

But that's Lügenpresse, right? All lies and slander!!1!
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 06, 2016, 08:34:44 pm
Hate would be the most honest feeling. And the most rational.
Yes, well, a lot of feminists and other -ists would say "stop using rapes to justify your racism" and "we women don't need men to protect us, stop treating us like we're weak." Those are the two common responses in "anti-racism" groups to migrant/arab rapes and white men showing their outrage.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 08:38:43 pm
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Of course a person looking like that, working for a center-to-far left leaning journal does cry about how racist all the people blaming muslim men, or muslim culture, or islam are and tries to relativize the events. 
And he makes this about the general suppression and sexual violence towards women in europe. WHAT THE FUCK?

I always wish leftist are not serious when they write and say all this nonsense, because it can't be true that people being educated in this country can be that stupid, but obviously I am wrong.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 06, 2016, 08:41:48 pm
Found something to read for Warlord. I dare you to actually read it!

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/koeln-silvester-mob-und-gegenmob-kolumne-a-1070724.html

And my favourite part as quote:
But that's Lügenpresse, right? All lies and slander!!1!
People are in the face of very real aggression arguing for active, rational border control and for our governments to effectively enforce the law among this over-represented element of our criminal statistics. Hardly radical, and hardly controversial. I would say sensible.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 08:45:01 pm
Border control, so racist!11

Wanting a government that protects its own citizens, so facist1!11
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 06, 2016, 09:09:40 pm
Yes, well, a lot of feminists and other -ists would say "stop using rapes to justify your racism" and "we women don't need men to protect us, stop treating us like we're weak." Those are the two common responses in "anti-racism" groups to migrant/arab rapes and white men showing their outrage.
I'm glad I don't read social media.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 06, 2016, 09:22:51 pm
3 pages only? Come on guys, I want more.

Remarkably, Heskey manages to make a point not completely devoid of any informational content:

But, if the public reaction to incidents such as this was proportional or rational* in the first place, would government or the media feel the need to babysit the public by skirting around certain things that they know will cause a shitstorm immediately in the heat of the moment once reported? Even with all the freedom of speech in the world a government at least has a responsibility to it's people to try and not incite pointless violence.

Personally I feel that this paternalist attitude does far more harm than good. Violence is "incited" (whatever that means) regardless, and people are going to fill in the blanks, considering that it must be the most interesting recent piece of news in a lot of European countries.

At least we have Rico prepped up for the kristallnacht. I'm torn on Warlord, although I feel he's not saying everything either.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 10:03:17 pm
3 pages only? Come on guys, I want more.

Remarkably, Heskey manages to make a point not completely devoid of any informational content:

Personally I feel that this paternalist attitude does far more harm than good. Violence is "incited" (whatever that means) regardless, and people are going to fill in the blanks, considering that it must be the most interesting recent piece of news in a lot of European countries.

At least we have Rico prepped up for the kristallnacht. I'm torn on Warlord, although I feel he's not saying everything either.

I honestly don't know/understand what that means. Explain please?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 06, 2016, 10:35:01 pm
I honestly don't know/understand what that means. Explain please?

I don't know if you're prepping up for the kristallnacht as well.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Ikarus on January 06, 2016, 10:56:54 pm
Guy in video is no immigrant, more a german with turkish parents (yes, I bet my ass he grew up in Germany, he has that kind of slang where he speaks turkish with his parents and german/turkish with everybody else). He kinda even sounds like telling a fake story to sound boss, that´s why the video doesn´t really startle me that much. I know these kind of guys very well, if that kind of shit would have really happened, he wouldn´t be boasting about it, he´d rather whisper it. The more they boast, the more it probably hasn´t happened that way, typical for them.

nevertheless, something similar may have happened (or, god forbid, did happen) somewhere, which was expectable, and the police should have been more present in that area.

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i don't understand where this discussion is going
me neither
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 06, 2016, 10:57:13 pm
I don't know if you're prepping up for the kristallnacht as well.

lol, no. I'm to busy working 41 hours + overtime, hitting the gym 4-5 times a week, caring for my family and spending  time with my girlfriend and her family - which, btw, all have black or dark-brown hair, darker skin than me or any average German, because they are migrants/children of immigrants.
Large parts of her family aren't even living here anymore or didn't ever live here and still visit us regularly, and some of them that are permanently living here don't even have a german passport, so they are "foreigners" by the definition of the law.

So sorry to dissapoint you, but especially Molly. Warlord eventually marrying into a family of immigrants/non-germans  :P :D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 06, 2016, 11:17:00 pm
But, if the public reaction to incidents such as this was proportional or rational* in the first place, would government or the media feel the need to babysit the public by skirting around certain things that they know will cause a shitstorm immediately in the heat of the moment once reported? Even with all the freedom of speech in the world a government at least has a responsibility to it's people to try and not incite pointless violence.
Like Kafein, I think this does far more harm than good. If the media and politicians had a proportional and rational approach I'd likely be saying the opposite things. Right now "rational and proportional" just gets ignored by both sides, and in fact you can't even start discussing what's proportional because the facts are being hidden and manipulated. It sucks that a lot of good people of Arab and other foreign descent are going to suffer as a consequence (and I'd stop skinheads from attacking an innocent Arab just like I'd stop Arabs from raping a girl), but the counter-reaction to overblown secretiveness is going to be just as overblown, only in the opposite direction.

All the hush-hush is achieving is a massive build up of anger, and if it keeps going the eventual backlash is going to be very over the top.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 12:15:12 am
It does sound like retarded /thathappened boasting, but it is disturbing that is the sort of thing this guy found to bullshit about to seem like a big man to his mates. Oh yeah, we were gang rapping this chick, she was crying and fighting and shit, then we came all over and spit on her, we totally destroyed that hole, AND SHE WAS A VIRGIN BRO, A VIRGIN, it was sooo cool. And they're all like wooooowwww, that's so awesome Ahmed, you're such a badass! But did you fuck her in the ass? Asking the important questions here. This video is from around 2011 afaik. This sort of attitude towards western women from these immigrants isn't anything new.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 07, 2016, 12:43:44 am
Disgusting. But mostly it makes me very, very sad.

No feelings here, probably because they've done something to person unknown to me and at this point my empathy for all the people on this Earth is a bit limited. However, if they done it in front of my eyes or to someone I care about, would go full Law Abiding Citizen on their asses with extra torture flavor. That's how people close to that girl should feel and all the people who are close to someone innocent who is getting hurt by monsters.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Beauchamp on January 07, 2016, 01:05:19 am
the longer it goes on without any real solution, the bigger hi.tler will get elected.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 07, 2016, 01:10:44 am
the longer it goes on without any real solution, the bigger hi.tler will get elected.
Yep, someone will eventually get elected because of his anti-foreigner rhetoric.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 07, 2016, 01:31:44 am
Anywhere that has more than a two-party system it may go as it did here in Denmark with the Danish People's Party; a nationalist party will have so much public support that the major parties will have to either cooperate with the party by forming a government coalition with it, in the process slightly dampening the support party's ideology, and/or by incorporating some of its policies into their own.

In or outside government DPP has held a lot of power over parliament the last 15 years, and is now the third largest party in the country.

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Danish People's Party's stated goals are to protect the freedom and cultural heritage of the Danish people, including the family, the Monarchy and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark, to enforce a strict rule of law, to work against Denmark becoming a multi-ethnic society by limiting immigration and promoting cultural assimilation of admitted immigrants, to maintain a strong welfare system for those in need, and to promote entrepreneurship and economic growth by strengthening education and encouraging people to work, and to protect the environment and natural resources.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Yuang on January 07, 2016, 04:13:37 am
I did not see in front of the replies, I tell a story to you.

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The Farmer and the Snake

ONE WINTER a Farmer found a Snake stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The Snake was quickly revived by the warmth, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound. "Oh," cried the Farmer with his last breath, "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel."

The greatest kindness will not bind the ungrateful.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rando on January 07, 2016, 05:21:23 am
I've posted it before and I'll post it again:


It is time.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 07, 2016, 07:27:25 am
At least we have Rico prepped up for the kristallnacht.
well yeah, if trying not to get soaked into extremism neither by chocolate chip cookies nor islamists counts as preparation, i guess i am prepared
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Asheram on January 07, 2016, 08:33:50 am
please no chocolate chip cookie prejudice
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 07, 2016, 09:09:14 am
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So sorry to dissapoint you, but especially Molly. Warlord eventually marrying into a family of immigrants/non-germans  :P :D :mrgreen:
You are a racist, no matter who you fuck.

On a different note, it kinda amuses me how I am put in a far left corner of the political spectrum when I actually see myself as a man of the middle, partly conservative even.
And all that based on the fact that I despise generalization and argue against it.

Like Kafein, I think this does far more harm than good. If the media and politicians had a proportional and rational approach I'd likely be saying the opposite things. Right now "rational and proportional" just gets ignored by both sides, and in fact you can't even start discussing what's proportional because the facts are being hidden and manipulated. It sucks that a lot of good people of Arab and other foreign descent are going to suffer as a consequence (and I'd stop skinheads from attacking an innocent Arab just like I'd stop Arabs from raping a girl), but the counter-reaction to overblown secretiveness is going to be just as overblown, only in the opposite direction.

All the hush-hush is achieving is a massive build up of anger, and if it keeps going the eventual backlash is going to be very over the top.
I can sign this.

Every single person who sexually attacks a woman has to be punished. No matter where he/she comes from. No matter the skin color, religious believe or whatever stupid excuse someone could come up with. Not Arabs attack women, assholes do.
And I admitted a lot of times that there is a problem - several problems actually - with the massive influx of immigrants to Europe. I simply don't believe that closing borders or coming up with yet even more laws which are going to be ignored will solve anything. Doesn't mean I don't like them to stop coming. I was one of the first in here complaining about those pricks at German railway stations welcoming refugees with fucking applause, colourful balloons and teddy bears. I am certainly not a part of the "Refugees Welcome"-fanbase.
But I do refuse to condemn all of them with generalized statements like Oberyn does:"They are all rapists and bad, bad people!!1 ARRRGH!"
Like the guy who I quoted before - and Warlord nicely made fun of cuz of his haircut - wrote (loosely translated): Just because the first 9 black guys you met turned out to be assholes doesn't give you the right to hit the 10th straight into the face.

And I am fine with discussing the issue but I'll stop instantly when the rhetoric goes down the "sandnigga"-path. And unfortunately that is the case 99% of the time when the likes of Oberyn and Warlord enter the stage. Although Warlord is certainly more careful with what he writes since I called him out as a racist some time ago. He never was as bad as Wayyyyne but he never missed a chance to +1 his posts either when Wayyyyne was still around.

/rant
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 09:44:28 am
You condemn anything at all but the obvious. "Racist" people like me have been saying repeatedly, for years now, that there is a deep cultural/religious issue with a lot of ME/NA immigrants and refugees to Europe concerning their perceptions of women, their perceptions of our laws, their perceptions of our cultures. They have no respect for the police, they have no respect for women who don't come from their culture, in fact you could even say they are "racist" and proud of it, and encouraged to be so.
They certainly have no respect for men like you. Your primary worry seems to be to not to be perceived as "racist", truly the most awful thing that could happen to you apparently. It takes some massive cognitive dissonance to say with a straight face the ethnicity and culture of the perpetrators of these attacks is completely irrelevant, as if it could just as easily have been drunken groups of german guys, or polish guys, or etc. I'm sure the reaction from the regressives such as yourself would've been identical if that was the case, yes? I guess as a "centrist" it's easier to make vague, non-commital statements that literally mean nothing. "Oh it's so bad, but nothing can be done, /shrug, people who get angry at this are obviously racists, arabs and north africans aren't particularly overrepresented in these sorts of crimes, only a racist would say that, it's just assholes in general". Keep dancing around the obvious issue, or you could just retreat to your feinting couch and "stop instantly" whenever you perceive wrongthink, as you usually do. . 
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 07, 2016, 10:44:47 am
Can somebody from Germany shed more light in the details please? How many people did what to how many people? What I'm getting bere is a thousand arabs marched the streets pillaging and raping, that's a huge number, how Can a crowd that big even go around without any police alerted immidiately.

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 11:02:07 am
Koln police were completely overwhelmed. One of the victims was a policewoman herself. And this is only in Koln. Same thing happened in other german cities, Frankfurt drawing a little bit of attention as well. Police authority is mostly an illusion. All it takes is a large enough and motivated enough group to realize they outnumber the police and they are completely powerless. Especially german police that have been hamstrung by ridiculous "rules of engagement", slashbacked budgets everywhere and a topdown drive to make women police officers more common. And oooh do woman police officers enrage these assholes. The jails were so full they literally could not take any more offenders, even if they had wanted to.

And there's pressure from the government to keep these sorts of delicate issues under the rug. It's why the reports of New Year's Eve from Koln police were initially "all quiet on the western front", as if absolutely nothing out of the ordinary had happened. It took local news and social media pressure for the government and state media to even begin to accept it happened at all, much less to adress the issue.

This is at least my impression from the outside, although I am not german and do not live there.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 07, 2016, 11:04:04 am
I simply don't believe that closing borders (...) will solve anything.

Why not? Why it won't solve a problem with refugees, at least partially? And to be honest I don't understand why it's so big issues, closing borders. It's not like all people around the world have some divine right to go wherever they want.

Not Arabs attack women, assholes do.

Guns don't kill people... It's like saying that in the early nineties polakos didn't steal cars in germany, thieves did. But we did!  :wink:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 11:08:27 am
2016 is going to be a hell of a year  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 07, 2016, 11:22:07 am
You condemn anything at all but the obvious. "Racist" people like me have been saying repeatedly, for years now, that there is a deep cultural/religious issue with a lot of ME/NA immigrants and refugees to Europe concerning their perceptions of women, their perceptions of our laws, their perceptions of our cultures. They have no respect for the police, they have no respect for women who don't come from their culture, in fact you could even say they are "racist" and proud of it, and encouraged to be so.
They certainly have no respect for men like you. Your primary worry seems to be to not to be perceived as "racist", truly the most awful thing that could happen to you apparently. It takes some massive cognitive dissonance to say with a straight face the ethnicity and culture of the perpetrators of these attacks is completely irrelevant, as if it could just as easily have been drunken groups of german guys, or polish guys, or etc. I'm sure the reaction from the regressives such as yourself would've been identical if that was the case, yes? I guess as a "centrist" it's easier to make vague, non-commital statements that literally mean nothing. "Oh it's so bad, but nothing can be done, /shrug, people who get angry at this are obviously racists, arabs and north africans aren't particularly overrepresented in these sorts of crimes, only a racist would say that, it's just assholes in general". Keep dancing around the obvious issue, or you could just retreat to your feinting couch and "stop instantly" whenever you perceive wrongthink, as you usually do. .

It's probably the first time that you actually write "a lot of ME/NA immigrants and refugees" instead of just "all of them". And now I can actually agree with it for the most part.
How can we have a proper discussion about something if the terminology is all over the place?
I do see most of the issues that you see. Yes, probably a lot of young men do not treat or respect women as our societies in Europe do, for the most part. It's not like it's unheard of that some lower social and educational layers of the French/German/UK (and all the others) society have a lot of young men talking "bitch" and how they need "to get fucked real hard all day long, that cunt". Can you truly say that there is no lack respect in certain social circles amongst "true" French dudes? We certainly have those kind of assholes in Germany. But again, yes, there is very likely a majority of young immigrant men who do not respect women - I am not arguing against your point there - merely saying that it's not solely to be found within the immigrants. Are those immigrant men more likely to actually "act on it" compared to our native assholes? Honestly, I do not know but prolly I tend more to say "yes" than "no" if I am forced to give an answer.
Not gonna go through your list in detail now but they are similar in the answer you'd get from me.

The new thing about Cologne was the scale. Women have been attacked at all times. But the amount and scale is new.
Domestic violence is a thing. At always was and it will be in the future. It's one of the major issues the police has to deal with on a daily basis. It is in itself nothing new.
I kinda lost myself at this point. Don't really remember what I wanted to write... :?

Anyway, one thing I would like to say too:
I had the chance to talk to a bunch of freshly arrived refugees since there is a tent camp directly next to my University building... at some point you just start talking with each other. Well, at least when they are able to communicate in basic English. Which is rare enough... unfortunately.
I talked to probably more than 10 refugees but let's just assume 10 to get the relations easier.
At least 8 of those 10 told me that they honestly do have a hard time to get their heads wrapped around all the freedoms people have. That they can say what they want, mostly do what they want and nobody seems to bothered with all the "crazy" things. But they all said that it's something they have to and want to learn. And that should be supported.
6 out of those 10 were drinking beer at 10am while talking with them... that's something worrying in my book.
And 9 out of 10 are moving and acting very carefully. They all said that they are very grateful for being here and getting a chance. But they all feel and realize the pressure inside the society. They don't wanna piss anyone off, no stress with the police, just a place to live and a job.

Arguably that is hardly representative but neither is Cologne.

There are assholes and there are non-assholes. It's up to the police and the law to filter the assholes out. The mechanisms for dealing with assholes are already in place. It's time to use them properly.
For example, I have no idea why the police in Cologne did not intervene there. And that is a different but not less important matter.
The right to use violence is within the State. So, why wasn't it used? I am all for the use of force in such occasions.

I don't feel like I am dancing around the issue. But I don't wanna pre-judge anyone just based on the place where he/she is coming from.

Edit:

Koln police were completely overwhelmed. One of the victims was a policewoman herself. And this is only in Koln. Same thing happened in other german cities, Frankfurt drawing a little bit of attention as well. Police authority is mostly an illusion. All it takes is a large enough and motivated enough group to realize they outnumber the police and they are completely powerless. Especially german police that have been hamstrung by ridiculous "rules of engagement", slashbacked budgets everywhere and a topdown drive to make women police officers more common. And oooh do woman police officers enrage these assholes. The jails were so full they literally could not take any more offenders, even if they had wanted to.

And there's pressure from the government to keep these sorts of delicate issues under the rug. It's why the reports of New Year's Eve from Koln police were initially "all quiet on the western front", as if absolutely nothing out of the ordinary had happened. It took local news and social media pressure for the government and state media to even begin to accept it happened at all, much less to adress the issue.

This is at least my impression from the outside, although I am not german and do not live there.
This is pretty much true.
Tho it should have been easy enough to get a few hundred officers from other places and a rather short amount of time.
They managed to protect the fucking G7 with 24.000 officers...

Why not? Why it won't solve a problem with refugees, at least partially? And to be honest I don't understand why it's so big issues, closing borders. It's not like all people around the world have some divine right to go wherever they want.

Guns don't kill people... It's like saying that in the early nineties polakos didn't steal cars in germany, thieves did. But we did!  :wink:
...cuz they gonna find a way around the fence eventually. And then what? Shoot them?
Just because you closed the border doesn't mean they suddenly say "Oh, well, goes I'm not fleeing then! Unpack the bags, kids."
And can hardly let them freeze or starve to death at your border, can you?
It's naive to think that closing borders will solve anything.

And it weren't only Polish who stole cars. Russians too. Pretty much the whole Eastern block. But hey, Poland prolly held the crown back then, that's true :wink:

2016 is going to be a hell of a year  :rolleyes:
I'm afraid so.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2016, 11:45:13 am
...cuz they gonna find a way around the fence eventually. And then what? Shoot them?
Just because you closed the border doesn't mean they suddenly say "Oh, well, goes I'm not fleeing then! Unpack the bags, kids."
And can hardly let them freeze or starve to death at your border, can you?
It's naive to think that closing borders will solve anything.

And what is a rhetorical question for you is a very good option for others. That's what I would call the unbridgeable differences that form gaps between posters in so many threads here.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 11:52:44 am
Sorry, but there is no comparison with the natives. Hell, there's no comparison with any of the other minority groups that also happen to live in Europe. There are dozens of different ethnicities living in Germany, yes? Is this also an expected and normal occurance from all of them? Or is it only expected and normal coming from a certain minority group? You don't see a clear relation between the pre-existing reality of arab/north africa and turkish muslim men being disproportionately represented in violent sexual crimes for decades, and what happened on new year's eve in various german cities? Between their cultural/religious expectations and their actions?
The police themselves have said the groups were "organized". This apparently wasn't some sort of organic rape fest, ala Lora Logan in Egypt. This was a deliberate message, as was harassing people with fireworks in front of the cathedral. Can you imagine if a group of drunken germans had done the same in front of a mosque over new year's eve, while other groups of violent drunken germans went around sexually violating any woman that wasn't german, threatening and commiting violence if resisted? The message that would send would be loud and clear, and the first people to call out about systemic and ingrained cultural problems that led to it would be germans themselves, probably while whipping themselves and crying tears of guilt and regret, but it's arab/na muslims and all of a sudden it's a subtle, nuanced problem for which there is no clear responsability, certainly not their culture or their religion. It's just a general, diffused malaise that cannot be identified. Strange.

In any case, I really doubt the majority were recently arrived refugees.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 07, 2016, 12:17:56 pm
I don't think that I ever wrote that the issue is not within the cultural difference and that it can be very well based in the religion.
I am pretty sure it is connected. It was never about that for me.

It's about the generalization. Many, maybe lots do have different views on things due to being brought up in a different culture. Harmful views? Yes, lots of them.
But there are examples of people learning, adapting, integrating.

And on a side note: I'd rather change street side seeing 5 drunken Russians ahead than 5 drunken Turks/Arabs. Just based on personal experience.

Right now I am treat lightly around this Cologne business cuz there seem to be hardly any proven facts yet. Some say it was mainly a robbery, some say it was aimed at women, some say they were mostly refugees, some say this, some say that...
That was my biggest issue right from the start. The coverage of all the refugee-business right from the start was shit. Either you get those hand clapping idiots at the train station or you get some lowlife white-trash yelling bullshit. It's so hard to find reliable, straight facts - for me it's just difficult to actually have a proper opinion on anything atm. And this is ongoing for months now.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 12:28:17 pm
Sure, so your primary worry is not the people being victimized right now, your people incidentally, but I might just as well say random human being whom you have no particular attachment to, but the potential future innocent victims of lowlife white-trash. There's harmful "views", and your people will suffer from them, but it's all good, because there's also other people benefitting and profitting from your generosity. It's ok, you're not the only one, there's always crying about the fearful expected backlash, just like muslims were going to be hunted down and killed by angry FN after all the french terrorist attacks, only thing Salon types could seem to worry about. I don't personally see how proper border and immigration control, managed by even the most backwards and undevelopped countries, is somehow beyond the reach of european countries, or how it would be a violent, racist act to implement them. To present mass immigration as a fait accompli (for western countries only, of course) is typical, but it's, from my perspective, massively ignorant. 
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 07, 2016, 12:46:25 pm
Why don't we all just go on another "Holy pilgrimage" to Jerusalem, that worked well 1000 years ago.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 07, 2016, 01:02:11 pm
Gotta split the quote for readability...
Sure, so your primary worry is not the people being victimized right now, your people incidentally, but I might just as well say random human being whom you have no particular attachment to, but the potential future innocent victims of lowlife white-trash. There's harmful "views", and your people will suffer from them, but it's all good, because there's also other people benefitting and profitting from your generosity. It's ok, you're not the only one, there's always crying about the fearful expected backlash, just like muslims were going to be hunted down and killed by angry FN after all the french terrorist attacks, only thing Salon types could seem to worry about.
I worry about both, current and future victims. Well, I use the word "worry" loosely here, for sake of consistency more or less.
My mindset is admittedly simple in these matters: Sexual harassing women is shit. Burning down refugee-camps is shit. Beheading people is shit. Beating up someone for their skin color is shit. These examples are not sorted by their grade of "shitness" tho.
Again, I do believe that my country, the State, has all the mechanisms in place to deal with all kind of shit and those mechanisms take even the grade of "shitness" into account. I merely wish they were used more strictly and swiftly. But I don't wanna see anyone punished who did nothing wrong.

I don't personally see how proper border and immigration control, managed by even the most backwards and undevelopped countries, is somehow beyond the reach of european countries, or how it would be a violent, racist act to implement them. To present mass immigration as a fait accompli (for western countries only, of course) is typical, but it's, from my perspective, massively ignorant.
Me neither. Immigration needs to be moderated. I'm "d'accord" with that. But completely shutting down all immigration is not a solution. Neither do I believe that moderation of immigration is something violent or racist.
But moderation with the baseline "No muslims allowed!" would be... (well, I was about to write racist... yea, yea, Islam no race... yadda yadda...) wrong.
There are good folks who honestly only seek refuge from war. They won't cause any harm. Not gonna rape anyone. Maybe even go back when the situation calms down. And I believe that we should help those.
Those who do screw up... well, back to the mechanisms the State already possesses.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 01:09:51 pm
Like it or not, this is all the cause of what happened last year in autumn. 
It backfired like fucking hell on germans right now, i still remember how friendly everyone was towards these people in august and september.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 07, 2016, 01:13:29 pm
...cuz they gonna find a way around the fence eventually. And then what? Shoot them?

And what is a rhetorical question for you is a very good option for others.


Well, wouldn't go that far  :wink: Some could think that creating adequate border control shouldn't be beyond the reach of european countries in XXI century. Btw, Austria and Hungary didn't build a fence on their borders? I have't heard in the news about mass shootings and refugees killed by the dozens by their border control.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 07, 2016, 01:14:05 pm
Like it or not, this is all the cause of what happened last year in autumn. 
It backfired like fucking hell on germans right now, i still remember how friendly everyone was towards these people in august and september.

[...]
I was one of the first in here complaining about those pricks at German railway stations welcoming refugees with fucking applause, colourful balloons and teddy bears. I am certainly not a part of the "Refugees Welcome"-fanbase.[...]
You should have seen me in front of my TV, cursing those retards...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 01:20:00 pm
Heh, good times.  I remember some austrians got to our side of the border to take them to the other side. 
But in true chocolate cookie fashion, they hand picked who could ride with them  :mrgreen: Families, women and children mostly.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 01:37:57 pm
http://m.20minutes.fr/societe/1761431-20160107-direct-paris-homme-abattu-devant-commissariat

Apparent suicide bomber got shot down in front of Barbès police station, not much info so far. Witnesses say the customary snackbar hymn was chanted as he waved a knife around. 1 year anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo attack.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 01:40:21 pm
Good kill
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 01:43:58 pm
Apparently fake explosive vest. Looks more like suicide by cop than terrorism.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 01:47:34 pm
'it was only a prank bro" 
ALLAHU AKBAR PRANK GONE WRONG POLICE CALLED
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 07, 2016, 02:36:55 pm
...
Every single person who sexually attacks a woman has to be punished. No matter where he/she comes from. No matter the skin color, religious believe or whatever stupid excuse someone could come up with. Not Arabs attack women, assholes do.
...

Arabs and africans treatment and overall understanding of women, by Western standards is almost always shitty and extremely rooted. Its not even a racist stereotypical quess, its a pretty certain fact. I got a lot of family in Finland, being kind of an immigrants themselves and constantly interacting with the asylum seekers(or who were once anyway), they quite often share. Pretty much all males are sexist. Even those who have lived in Finland for like a good 10 years and by all standards have adopted the new culture. Their understanding of women as basically worthless doesnt even budge an inch majority of the time.

I dont even want to think about in what high risk the women in Germany are. In a lot of ways Germany took in too many people and a lot of immigrants are extremely pissed at the slow process of gaining asylum. With each passing year they linger they will become more dangerous.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 07, 2016, 03:28:12 pm
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 07, 2016, 03:53:59 pm
'it was only a prank bro" 
ALLAHU AKBAR PRANK GONE WRONG POLICE CALLED

Forgot the GONE SEXUAL part aswell, gotta minmax all the viewers.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 07, 2016, 04:27:56 pm
You are a racist, no matter who you fuck.

On a different note, it kinda amuses me how I am put in a far left corner of the political spectrum when I actually see myself as a man of the middle, partly conservative even.
And all that based on the fact that I despise generalization and argue against it.
I can sign this.

Every single person who sexually attacks a woman has to be punished. No matter where he/she comes from. No matter the skin color, religious believe or whatever stupid excuse someone could come up with. Not Arabs attack women, assholes do.
And I admitted a lot of times that there is a problem - several problems actually - with the massive influx of immigrants to Europe. I simply don't believe that closing borders or coming up with yet even more laws which are going to be ignored will solve anything. Doesn't mean I don't like them to stop coming. I was one of the first in here complaining about those pricks at German railway stations welcoming refugees with fucking applause, colourful balloons and teddy bears. I am certainly not a part of the "Refugees Welcome"-fanbase.
But I do refuse to condemn all of them with generalized statements like Oberyn does:"They are all rapists and bad, bad people!!1 ARRRGH!"
Like the guy who I quoted before - and Warlord nicely made fun of cuz of his haircut - wrote (loosely translated): Just because the first 9 black guys you met turned out to be assholes doesn't give you the right to hit the 10th straight into the face.

And I am fine with discussing the issue but I'll stop instantly when the rhetoric goes down the "sandnigga"-path. And unfortunately that is the case 99% of the time when the likes of Oberyn and Warlord enter the stage. Although Warlord is certainly more careful with what he writes since I called him out as a racist some time ago. He never was as bad as Wayyyyne but he never missed a chance to +1 his posts either when Wayyyyne was still around.

/rant

The only one always repeating I would be a racist is you. I surely am not. Would I live together with a person from "another race" (btw, you're the one bringing race into it, not me) if I was a racist? That's a paradox, it's simply not possible.

Call me islamophobe, that would be at least be true. And judging from what you write you must be a leftist, otherwise you wouldn't be reciting like a mantra that "Assholes attack women, not muslims" and other typical leftist rhetorics.

But anyway, we never will come to an end with this, same as every political thread in this forum never will come to an end, so all we write is wasted time for all of us anyway.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 04:29:09 pm
Forgot the GONE SEXUAL part aswell, gotta minmax all the viewers.

im so bad at this

teach me how to attention whore  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Laufknoten on January 07, 2016, 04:54:09 pm
In germany there is now a general debate about sexual harassment and rape... I'm not saying this is a bad thing but the real problems at hand are muslim men who have no respect for women whatsoever. Especially "western women", who are just sluts to them. And that problem is caused by the politicians who brought those people in by the thousands.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Panos_ on January 07, 2016, 04:56:09 pm
God damn German neo Naz1 women, next time just bend over and receive islamnigg dick, otherwise you are a fucking racist.

I mean, come on, we all know how the ragheads respect  their women, imagine how much they shall respect women from the west....

RIGHT?

RIGHT???????


On other news, this is a woman I would love to marry




Poor goatfuckers...  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 07, 2016, 05:32:41 pm
In germany there is now a general debate about sexual harassment and rape... I'm not saying this is a bad thing but the real problems at hand are muslim men who have no respect for women whatsoever. Especially "western women", who are just sluts to them. And that problem is caused by the politicians who brought those people in by the thousands.

A lot worse is the fact that eventually you will have immigrants, who have been on the waitlist for too long and at one point they will completely stop giving a fuck. And you will have mass rapes and riots on your hands, commited by foreigners with nothing to lose. An counter is to somehow kick them out or give almost everyone asylum. Both, which are quite shitty options.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 07, 2016, 05:58:25 pm
fun fact:
criminal offenses are not taken into account in the german asylum process.

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 07, 2016, 06:05:59 pm

that's why finnish men are cucks, they are legitimately afraid of their women. the women are the ones abusing poor muslims

oh wait it's the swedish who are cucks
need to go back to 4chan to update my notes on national stereotypes sociology
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 06:10:32 pm
I'd love if those women would finnish me
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 07, 2016, 06:11:28 pm
I'd love if those women would finnish me
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 07, 2016, 06:14:25 pm
In germany there is now a general debate about sexual harassment and rape... I'm not saying this is a bad thing but the real problems at hand are muslim men who have no respect for women whatsoever. Especially "western women", who are just sluts to them. And that problem is caused by the politicians who brought those people in by the thousands.

police stated that events like new years in cologne are well known to them from north african countries like egypt.  its piss sick how that shit went down.  fuck dem all god fucking damit. 

my well educated take on events:
I wish of a huge n a z i hooligan gay rapist army that tears every single women disrespecting immigrants ass apart and literally fucks them to death, while filming it and showing them how they are being assraped.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 07, 2016, 06:20:33 pm
This whole debate boils down to how large of a gated community you want.

To be honest I'd rather have it like in the states, not rely on public services that much. That is ultimately the down-to-earth reason why poor westerners care more about borders than rich ones. The rich ones are getting fucked regardless.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 07, 2016, 06:39:24 pm
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber - means : Most were freshly arrived refugees/asylum seekers

This article states that police leadership in cologne was ordered to hold back any information regarding the events, and specifically hide the fact that at least 80 persons were controlled and found to be syrian refugees.

Only thanks to some brave policemen and women we now know at least something, because they got enough and talked about it. Better late than never.

Also the article states that some of the controlled and arrested syrians even told the police that they "wanted to have fun with women" and have "sexual pleasure" and "fun" with alcohol and shooting fireworks at other people.

It really would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 07, 2016, 07:38:42 pm
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

01:00 - "I'm Syrian, be friendly to me! Merkel has invited me."
Epic
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 07, 2016, 08:12:36 pm
Arabs and africans treatment and overall understanding of women, by Western standards is almost always shitty and extremely rooted. Its not even a racist stereotypical quess, its a pretty certain fact. I got a lot of family in Finland, being kind of an immigrants themselves and constantly interacting with the asylum seekers(or who were once anyway), they quite often share. Pretty much all males are sexist. Even those who have lived in Finland for like a good 10 years and by all standards have adopted the new culture. Their understanding of women as basically worthless doesnt even budge an inch majority of the time.

I dont even want to think about in what high risk the women in Germany are. In a lot of ways Germany took in too many people and a lot of immigrants are extremely pissed at the slow process of gaining asylum. With each passing year they linger they will become more dangerous.
The second and even third generation Africans/Arabs tend to be just as bad, in fact they're the ones most often harassing women in trains and buses in gangs.


On other news, this is a woman I would love to marry




Poor goatfuckers...  :lol:
She got a lot of official backlash for that, I think she was fired? Those upstanding citizens she womanhandled are robbing and thieving all the time, yet they went to the police and reported it.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Laufknoten on January 07, 2016, 09:11:03 pm
She got a lot of official backlash for that, I think she was fired? Those upstanding citizens she womanhandled are robbing and thieving all the time, yet they went to the police and reported it.  :rolleyes:
What did they report? That they tried to steal something and she stopped them?

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 07, 2016, 09:21:31 pm
What did they report? That they tried to steal something and she stopped them?
Actually I think she didn't get anything from it, but her boss who publicized the camera footage had to pull it down and IIRC there were some condemning statements from higher up. Been like half a year, there was a lot of shit about it back then but can't remember everything now. 
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 07, 2016, 09:26:08 pm
What did they report? That they tried to steal something and she stopped them?

Northern Europe(and my country) are so incredibly humane, that you are better off not touching robbers and just letting it happen. Even if someone breaks into your house, its just better to leave or go back to sleep than trying to confront the robber, even if your life was at threat(unless you have fucktons of evidence to back it). Somehow these countries are so horribly frightened of even a slightest form of vigilantism, that citizens arent really allowed to even touch a lawbreaker, let alone stop them.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 07, 2016, 09:30:32 pm
haha fuck that 
id expect you guys split the skulls of shoplifters with an axe or something.

please be badass once again kkthx
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 07, 2016, 09:45:26 pm
Northern Europe(and my country) are so incredibly humane, that you are better off not touching robbers and just letting it happen. Even if someone breaks into your house, its just better to leave or go back to sleep than trying to confront the robber, even if your life was at threat(unless you have fucktons of evidence to back it). Somehow these countries are so horribly frightened of even a slightest form of vigilantism, that citizens arent really allowed to even touch a lawbreaker, let alone stop them.
Yup, the self defense laws are fucked up here.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 07, 2016, 09:47:43 pm
What about making sure and gifting them a knife post-mortem? It's your house, you probably have a knife lying somewhere.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 07, 2016, 10:16:54 pm
haha fuck that 
id expect you guys split the skulls of shoplifters with an axe or something.

please be badass once again kkthx

Yeah, you would. On paper it sounds good. Give criminals the benefit of the doubt and an insane amount of rights. That way both parties get equal threatment, til proper porcessing. However in a really odd manner it backfires horribly, because after processing its generally the victim, who wasnt fully cooperative to the robbers demands, that gets the short end of the stick and gets properly screwed by the law, while the robber walks away with a 5 times smaller fine and a significantly lesser charge. Because the law took a lying criminals words against a person who was clearly the victim into fullest account. In a lot of ways its the law of "fuck it, since nobody really admits it and both did something wrong, everybody is quilty".
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: stukii on January 07, 2016, 11:13:27 pm
Found something to read for Warlord. I dare you to actually read it!

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/koeln-silvester-mob-und-gegenmob-kolumne-a-1070724.html

And my favourite part as quote:
But that's Lügenpresse, right? All lies and slander!!1!

As long as none of your beloved getting hurt...
But in the end you are behaving like a ignorant piece of something. Because people all around are starting to suffer by this dirtbags and then calling for endless liberalism is just as stupid as damning all immigrants.
People like you are what makes a big anti-islamic movement necessary.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 07, 2016, 11:35:44 pm
Welp, there's more and more evidence that the vast majority of the crimes committed were from asylum seekers. Guess I was wrong. Looks like it was mostly recent "refugees". Something similar as what happened in german cities was apparently prevented in Helsinki by police who broke it up before it snowballed into the clusterfuck it did in Koln, a bunch of "refugees" congregating at a train station deliberately for that purpose.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 07, 2016, 11:50:40 pm
This whole debate boils down to how large of a gated community you want.

To be honest I'd rather have it like in the states, not rely on public services that much. That is ultimately the down-to-earth reason why poor westerners care more about borders than rich ones. The rich ones are getting fucked regardless.

I doubt it. Anti-muslim and anti-arabic sentiments seems to be based on cultural, not economic foundations. After all the rich women are getting - literally - fucked as much as the poor ones. And afaik germany will need immigrants anyway, because of lack of labour force. So don't really see how the problem of refugees affects only poor westerners. I guess that the poor and uneducated are more afraid of other cultures and races, but it's still a cultural thing, not economical. Even in Poland (where in reality problem doesnt' exist at all) people don't want to see refugees coming in due to cultural differences, not because they're afraid to lose a job or sth like that. Last year we've got 400 k immigrants from Ukraine and no one gives a damn about it.

 
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 12:01:15 am
Welp, there's more and more evidence that the vast majority of the crimes committed were from asylum seekers. Guess I was wrong. Looks like it was mostly recent "refugees". Something similar as what happened in german cities was apparently prevented in Helsinki by police who broke it up before it snowballed into the clusterfuck it did in Koln, a bunch of "refugees" congregating at a train station deliberately for that purpose.
I think I posted about it, the main Helsinki railroad stations looked like the Middle East, hundreds of Arabs everywhere...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Lars on January 08, 2016, 12:45:57 am
Northern Europe(and my country) are so incredibly humane, that you are better off not touching robbers and just letting it happen. Even if someone breaks into your house, its just better to leave or go back to sleep than trying to confront the robber, even if your life was at threat(unless you have fucktons of evidence to back it). Somehow these countries are so horribly frightened of even a slightest form of vigilantism, that citizens arent really allowed to even touch a lawbreaker, let alone stop them.

It's fucked up here too, anyway if your life is at risk, always defend yourself (or run if you can't defend yourself, just don't stay there if you plan to do nothing)
There's a saying here "A bad trial is better than a good funeral".

Few years ago (near Verona if i remember well) a guy blocked 2 thieves who were about to break  into his house, then he tied them up  and waited for the cops; later the 2 thieves reported the house owner  for abduction...    " ehi i'm gonna break into your house, if you stop me i'm gonna report you for abduction or unlawful restraint"

If I you end  up hurting badly an intruder who broke  into your house, maybe  you'd better make him disappear in the wood-burning stove or in the garden, rather than calling the cops  :wink:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 12:57:08 am
If I you end  up hurting badly an intruder who broke  into your house, maybe  you'd better make him disappear in the wood-burning stove or in the garden, rather than calling the cops  :wink:

when I was a kid a burglar broke into my neighbours house.  He drank from a coke bottle that contained some wheat poison or what not.  then continued to win a lawsuit against house owner for not labeling the bottle.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 08, 2016, 01:01:26 am
Just read similar shit went down in Zurich. Looks like they are gaining power, the more the are the stronger they get. They are the Borg?  :shock:

Srsly, I already asked the question but is anything done in the countries where this is going on or is it still taboo. I'm left in my viewes no doubt and am for giving a chance, but if more and more come and they feel they can go around in packs feeling safe, think it's about time some deportations start. I still believe there are decent and sensible men and women among the refugees, in the end they will get the wrong end of the stick and get deported.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 02:17:52 am
Just read similar shit went down in Zurich. Looks like they are gaining power, the more the are the stronger they get. They are the Borg?  :shock:

Srsly, I already asked the question but is anything done in the countries where this is going on or is it still taboo. I'm left in my viewes no doubt and am for giving a chance, but if more and more come and they feel they can go around in packs feeling safe, think it's about time some deportations start. I still believe there are decent and sensible men and women among the refugees, in the end they will get the wrong end of the stick and get deported.

its not taboo,  police that was there already stated whatever happened,  it seems police was anticipating trouble,  officers where even worried that people might die that night and asked for backup already before 11pm, as forces on site felt more and more aggravated because they could only do the bare minimum and not help everybody.  however those reinforcements where not granted.

in the aftermath even merkel is now saying that there is no place in germany for migrants not respecting women or our way of life.  consensus is that migrants not complying with the law shall be deported more quickly.

on a side note,  a lot of violence happend that night in my home town near cologne too,  a man got beat up infront of his house after asking migrants to stop throwing fireworks at his family,  a police car was attacked.  my brother was attacked by four people and cut with a knife a few days earlier,  and a friend of mine was robbed and beat up last night.

the fuck is going on.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 08, 2016, 02:40:09 am
I doubt it. Anti-muslim and anti-arabic sentiments seems to be based on cultural, not economic foundations. After all the rich women are getting - literally - fucked as much as the poor ones. And afaik germany will need immigrants anyway, because of lack of labour force. So don't really see how the problem of refugees affects only poor westerners. I guess that the poor and uneducated are more afraid of other cultures and races, but it's still a cultural thing, not economical. Even in Poland (where in reality problem doesnt' exist at all) people don't want to see refugees coming in due to cultural differences, not because they're afraid to lose a job or sth like that. Last year we've got 400 k immigrants from Ukraine and no one gives a damn about it.

The anti-immigration sentiment in general is at least partially economically motivated for the poor, because poorly educated immigrants compete for the same pool of zero-qualification jobs. You can argue around that all you like, I think there's a legitimate reason why that is present in the communication of basically every populist party.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 08, 2016, 04:46:50 am
In the case of general anti-immigration feelings I guess that you're right, but particular antipathy towards muslim refugees has to be based on some other/additional factor. I'm not sure if you should paint with the same brush people who are against all immigrants and people who are exclusively against muslim immigrants. Oberyn, isn't he only against muslims, not against any and all immigrants?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 05:55:36 am
I haven't met anyone who's against immigration because of "our jobs." I've met a lot of people against Muslim immigration.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Turkhammer on January 08, 2016, 07:36:32 am
its not taboo,  police that was there already stated whatever happened,  it seems police was anticipating trouble,  officers where even worried that people might die that night and asked for backup already before 11pm, as forces on site felt more and more aggravated because they could only do the bare minimum and not help everybody.  however those reinforcements where not granted.

in the aftermath even merkel is now saying that there is no place in germany for migrants not respecting women or our way of life.  consensus is that migrants not complying with the law shall be deported more quickly.

on a side note,  a lot of violence happend that night in my home town near cologne too,  a man got beat up infront of his house after asking migrants to stop throwing fireworks at his family,  a police car was attacked.  my brother was attacked by four people and cut with a knife a few days earlier,  and a friend of mine was robbed and beat up last night.

the fuck is going on.

I hope this does not spread to Pepe's street.  He's going to have to get stronk in a hurry.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 07:52:03 am
I'd pay good money to watch Pepe attempt to deal with these guys by being "peaceful."
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 08, 2016, 08:23:08 am
In the case of general anti-immigration feelings I guess that you're right, but particular antipathy towards muslim refugees has to be based on some other/additional factor. I'm not sure if you should paint with the same brush people who are against all immigrants and people who are exclusively against muslim immigrants. Oberyn, isn't he only against muslims, not against any and all immigrants?

Its not really only about jobs. Refugees also burden the social system. As in grab benefits out of the hands of the common native people. What really pisses people off is the fact that atleast 70% of refugees arent really fleeing war, but their countries economic crysis and from them, atleast half are burdening the social system of the foreign country they choose to stay in, on purpose.

HOWEVER the hard fact is that the social system that shares too much(like in the Nordic) is in a brink of collapse in the West anyway. And thats due to low birth rates. No young people to compensate the high pensions etc. The immigrants are considered the saving grace in that department. Which is the reason of why Sweden just accepted everybody. Im assuming Swedens actual plan is to turn the immigrants into some kind of lower part of the society thats going to work for the pensions and benefits of their elderly etc. So it doesnt really matter that much anyway. No immigrants, it collapses. Immigrants who just take, but wont work, still collapses.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 08, 2016, 10:47:01 am
I'd like to clarify 3 things:

As long as none of your beloved getting hurt...
But in the end you are behaving like a ignorant piece of something. Because people all around are starting to suffer by this dirtbags and then calling for endless liberalism is just as stupid as damning all immigrants.
People like you are what makes a big anti-islamic movement necessary.
You're an idiot and you obviously didn't read the thread, especially not my recent posts. Go away.

Then Torben wrote that there is no way to send refugees away after committing a crime. That statement is not entirely true. The hurdle is just very high. Too high in my opinion.
The State is allowed to deport an immigrant/refugee if he/she commits a crime that is punished with 3 years jail time or more. Certainly should be lower and should include certain k.o. criterias which allow instant refusal of the current status of immigration and instant deportation (e.g. rape, paedophilia and similar stuff).

Then Tibe wrote about self-defence laws in Northern countries. Probably not meaning Germany directly but I do feel that German laws are okay.
When you are attacked, you are allowed to defend your life and health with adequate force.
When you witness a crime, you are allowed to temporarily fixate the criminal until the police arrives with adequate force. It's the so called "Jedermanns Recht" ("Everybody's right").

Tho the interpretation of adequate force is something you could stumble over.
Starting with the easier case of fixation of a criminal. Adequate force means here that you are allowed to use force to hold the guy down. You don't wanna hit him tho. Imagine it as a grappling match, wrestling of sorts. Punching is bad. You might get lucky and nobody says anything with just 1 hit, like stop him from running away. But that's it. Still, it's reasonable. It's not your job to hunt him down anyway. You get a chance to grab him - fine. Everything else is the police's job.
I know several people, working the door of clubs, who got into issues with the law in this department but in 90% it's okay. You have to overdo it quite a lot to get into trouble.

Now, threat to life and health is tricky. And it would take too long to describe properly but let me say this much: killing the attacker is always very bad news cuz it's hard to verify the "I had no choice." Even breaking limbs is a problem.

And then there is a big differentiation between trained and untrained people. Untrained people are basically okay to use more force while trained people are granted lower reaction times for affect for example.

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 08, 2016, 10:48:46 am
its not taboo,  police that was there already stated whatever happened,  it seems police was anticipating trouble,  officers where even worried that people might die that night and asked for backup already before 11pm, as forces on site felt more and more aggravated because they could only do the bare minimum and not help everybody.  however those reinforcements where not granted.

in the aftermath even merkel is now saying that there is no place in germany for migrants not respecting women or our way of life.  consensus is that migrants not complying with the law shall be deported more quickly.

on a side note,  a lot of violence happend that night in my home town near cologne too,  a man got beat up infront of his house after asking migrants to stop throwing fireworks at his family,  a police car was attacked.  my brother was attacked by four people and cut with a knife a few days earlier,  and a friend of mine was robbed and beat up last night.

the fuck is going on.

Same thing that's been going on for years, but galvanized. I find it interesting how few places even mentioned the violence against german men, as if getting surrounded by a dozen migrants and getting the shit beat out of you was so trivial and common as to not be mentioned. Not that I'm blaming them, there is undeniable media attraction in the plea and suffering of women getting violently harassed and groped by worthless animals. If it finally opens some of the useful idiots's eyes so much the better.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Ikarus on January 08, 2016, 11:59:21 am
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Then Torben wrote that there is no way to send refugees away after committing a crime. That statement is not entirely true. The hurdle is just very high. Too high in my opinion.
too damn high indeed, did you read the same article?  :)
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-01/koeln-bahnhof-uebergriffe-taeter-opfer-strafen-strafrecht-abschiebung

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You have to overdo it quite a lot to get into trouble.
Yes and thats interesting: In case of sexual harassment like that, you´re actually pretty much allowed to give that guy a good beating (as long as there is some major resistance). I did not know that you were that well protected in that case.
quote from the article (german)
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 12:01:59 pm
Its not really only about jobs. Refugees also burden the social system. As in grab benefits out of the hands of the common native people. What really pisses people off is the fact that atleast 70% of refugees arent really fleeing war, but their countries economic crysis and from them, atleast half are burdening the social system of the foreign country they choose to stay in, on purpose.

HOWEVER the hard fact is that the social system that shares too much(like in the Nordic) is in a brink of collapse in the West anyway. And thats due to low birth rates. No young people to compensate the high pensions etc. The immigrants are considered the saving grace in that department. Which is the reason of why Sweden just accepted everybody. Im assuming Swedens actual plan is to turn the immigrants into some kind of lower part of the society thats going to work for the pensions and benefits of their elderly etc. So it doesnt really matter that much anyway. No immigrants, it collapses. Immigrants who just take, but wont work, still collapses.

actually migrants who flee economic disaster and come to germany willing to work benefit the state after about three years,  which is a good investment for my country.  problematic are the people who come to not work.  but,  they are a great minority of the economic migrants.  unfortunately our system is not effective in getting rid of those few, which feels highly unfair.

Then Torben wrote that there is no way to send refugees away after committing a crime. That statement is not entirely true. The hurdle is just very high. Too high in my opinion.
The State is allowed to deport an immigrant/refugee if he/she commits a crime that is punished with 3 years jail time or more. Certainly should be lower and should include certain k.o. criterias which allow instant refusal of the current status of immigration and instant deportation (e.g. rape, paedophilia and similar stuff).

I never wrote there was no way,  I stated that the bureaucratic process of gaining asylum is not connected to any potential criminal activity,  which is ludicrous.  being a shoplifter should have negative influence on the process etc etc.


Same thing that's been going on for years, but galvanized. I find it interesting how few places even mentioned the violence against german men, as if getting surrounded by a dozen migrants and getting the shit beat out of you was so trivial and common as to not be mentioned. Not that I'm blaming them, there is undeniable media attraction in the plea and suffering of women getting violently harassed and groped by worthless animals. If it finally opens some of the useful idiots's eyes so much the better.

the buddy of mine who got attacked is actually a fifty something year old german of turkish origin, a waiter  who was on his way home from work.

all in all I have been confronted with many crimes in my life,  from getting beaten up by a polish teenager when I was ten (his arabic friend actually jumped in and stopped him from continuously punching me), over witnessing a bunch of big brawls (btw have never seen a german punch or kick people on the floor or pull a knife,  only know that from russians and middle eastern/north african folks),  my best female friend being raped and beaten half dead by two turks, two other female friends being raped while drugged.
 Seriously,  two school friends of mine, one a tunisian,  became a highly respected professor for islamic whatever at a german university, a great guy, while our other friend became a gangster rapper and got jail time for robbing a gold transport. I have seen my heap of shit.

But now I live fucking 600km away from home and hear about more  crimes of higher violence in just three months then in twenty years before.

I am literally scared for my folks up there,  and dread the upcoming karneval. 

Guess Ill go as batman.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Ikarus on January 08, 2016, 12:07:43 pm
all in all I have been confronted with many crimes in my life,  from getting beaten up by a polish teenager when I was ten (his arabic friend actually jumped in and stopped him from continuously punching me), over witnessing a bunch of big brawls (btw have never seen a german punch or kick people on the floor or pull a knife,  only know that from russians and middle eastern/north african folks),  my best female friend being raped and beaten half dead by two turks, two other female friends being raped while drugged.
holy shit torben where the hell did you grow up?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 08, 2016, 12:10:23 pm
Europe. Welcome to reality. None of what he said surprises me in the least.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2016, 12:16:54 pm
Guess Ill go as batman.

noice
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 12:19:20 pm
holy shit torben where the hell did you grow up?

near cologne.  on rape:  it happens way more often then most of us think.  many women just wont talk about it because its fucking traumatic and humiliating.

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 08, 2016, 12:21:01 pm
pretty much
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 08, 2016, 12:21:14 pm
I thought you Yuropans lived in some sort of Utopia, wha hapen?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 12:32:47 pm
I guess the idea of Europe is great.  The reality is whatever is possible within a world ruled by humans. 

European principles are beautiful,  but we are hypocrites. 

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2016, 12:33:40 pm
I thought you Yuropans lived in some sort of Utopia, wha hapen?

Someone decided to attack Iraq.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 12:34:04 pm
Someone decided to attack Iraq.

oh snap :'D
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 12:47:56 pm
Someone decided to attack Iraq.
Yeah, it was such a swell place before that.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 08, 2016, 12:51:29 pm
Yeah, it was such a swell place before that.

Which was fine for Europe I guess.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 08, 2016, 12:52:23 pm
Someone decided to attack Iraq.

ayy lmao
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 12:55:59 pm
Which was fine for Europe I guess.
Joking aside, the current "crisis" has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. "Europe", aka the politicians, only have themselves to blame. Most of the "refugees" aren't refugees, they're migrants after easy money.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 01:11:27 pm
Joking aside, the current "crisis" has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. "Europe", aka the politicians, only have themselves to blame. Most of the "refugees" aren't refugees, they're migrants after easy money.

out of actual interests: any sources on that matter?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Umbra on January 08, 2016, 01:12:16 pm
ayy lmao

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2016, 01:13:42 pm
Yeah, it was such a swell place before that.

It was relatively stable at least.

I still remember the TV interviews of some old German Near East expert back in the days. He always warned that the loss stability in that reason will have catastrophic consequences - in the end for Europe. Be it by removing some dictator by force or even from the support of the Arabic Spring. Those might be shitty regimes but the alternative is war, chaos, humanitarian catastrophies and yes, refugees flooding Europe.

You could see how they belittled him and didn't take him serious because he was, well, old. But he was right all along.

Of course it doesn't concern the US that much because there is a literal ocean between the problem and them.


Joking aside, the current "crisis" has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. "Europe", aka the politicians, only have themselves to blame. Most of the "refugees" aren't refugees, they're migrants after easy money.

Those "refugees" come here in the shadow of the follow up conflicts. Without the war in Syria they'd have a much harder time coming in. Heck, most of them even disguise themselves as Syrians to have a legitimation.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 08, 2016, 01:18:23 pm
near cologne.  on rape:  it happens way more often then most of us think.  many women just wont talk about it because its fucking traumatic and humiliating.
statistics from australian institute for crime research for first world countries:
on average, 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys becomes a rape victim before the age of 18
source: you get what you pay for (ebook)
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 08, 2016, 01:20:37 pm
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ayylahu lmakbar

lol i always knew isis is actually a dank meme
would wear as tshirt but too afraid to get shot by french police
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Umbra on January 08, 2016, 01:21:51 pm
Tumblr statistics, kek senpai
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 08, 2016, 01:27:05 pm
Vast majority are young, adult, able bodied men, not the women, children and old men you would expect when you think "war refugee". The majority of those that have asked for asylum didn't come from Syria or Iraq, the journey to Europe requires funds and resources. The REAL refugees are largely in surrounding countries, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. And that's ignoring the booming trade in fake syrian/iraqi passports that have suddenly gained much value, for obvious reasons. The opportunists outpaced out the real refugees by a large margin.

EU has indeed no one to blame but themselves. It's not the crisis itself but how stupidly we responded to it. The stated intentions were noble but the implementation was ruined by a completely ideological blindfold, refusing to impose even the least stringent discernation on these refugees. And out of this we gained...I don't even know, the ability to grandstand about how tolerant we are? Use it as a political football against the "right"? The warm feeling of knowing we did the right thing? And we certainly can't stop it now, that is just impossible. Can you imagine, some people might think we're racists! No, that's just the way it is now, we can't go back on our word, that would be immoral. Think about a syrian baby getting mowed down by border police as it hangs from barbed wire, his pregnant mother desperately trying to protect him. Imagine it, you racist. Is that what you want? Cause that's the reality if we just say fuck it and refuse to take any more, they're still going to come regardless, starving in front of our borders with their puppy dog eyes, and then we will have no choice but to machine gun down like the evil fascists we will have turned into.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 08, 2016, 01:30:46 pm
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scholl-latour,  bester man :'I

vor allem hat die destabilisierung der nordafrikanischen länder den weg für gute 35 millionen wirtschaftflüchtlinge aus den central afrikanischen ländern eröffnet.  goldene zeiten für schleuser tun sich auf.

statistics from australian institute for crime research for first world countries:
on average, 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys becomes a rape victim before the age of 18
source: you get what you pay for (ebook)

holy fuck
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 08, 2016, 01:32:28 pm
Tumblr statistics
tumblrinas would sterilize themselves if anyone posted the ebook there
the original website is down and i couldn't find it on my hard disk
it's pretty heavy stuff though

edit: here is what i remember:
title is "you get what you pay for"
was published as PDF on some guy's website
author didn't reveal his name, published it under the alias "A. Person"
first pages contain a warning saying something like: "if you are suicidal and looking for something to push you over the edge, this is not for you. you are a peculiar little ape or dolphin and everything is fine"
basically the book is an analysis of the porn industry, looking for evidence for rape or rape-esque elements in the production and reception of porn
the author tries to sensitize the reader; although only a small portion of what may look like rape in porn videos is rape because the majority of actors may have a respective fetish or there is no actual penetration, it's basically indistinguishable from real rape for the viewer, and if people watch without reflecting upon it they might internalize rape as something normal

you guys are spending most of the time on the internet, i am pretty sure some of you have heard about it
it's almost the same level of WTF as Guts by Chuck Palanhiuk (http://chuckpalahniuk.net/features/shorts/guts)
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 08, 2016, 01:34:53 pm
statistics from australian institute for crime research for first world countries:
on average, 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys becomes a rape victim before the age of 18

Nah, can't believe we're that horny.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 08, 2016, 01:36:07 pm
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 01:40:33 pm
It was relatively stable at least.
And people were still being killed left and right. There was just as much cause to flee back then as there is now.

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Those "refugees" come here in the shadow of the follow up conflicts. Without the war in Syria they'd have a much harder time coming in. Heck, most of them even disguise themselves as Syrians to have a legitimation.
It's not America's fault Europe has shitty politicians that make shitty policies when it comes to accepting "refugees."
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Post by: Angantyr on January 08, 2016, 01:47:06 pm
The recent Der Spiegel piece on the New Right (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugee-crisis-drives-rise-of-new-right-wing-in-germany-a-1067384.html). An interesting article, mostly for its propaganda value.

As so often lately on this topic in the more serious news outlets (same with the liberal Danish newspaper 'Information' which I've been a long-time reader of), the comment section is usually more reasonable:
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Even this article is permeated with a blind denial of the legitimacy of an anti-immigration pro-European outlook. Talk of 'hate' or 'xenophobia' or 'fear' is infuriating. Please address the issues and stop pathologizing emotions, which are a consequence and not a cause. For instance "The fear of foreigners, of being "swamped" by them" is patronizing! There are a million refugees. That is a fact and a lot, acknowledge this. These emotions are simply the powerless response to policies perpetrated by the government against its own people. Merkel should reverse course or she will leave people no other choice than to turn to violence in self defense.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 08, 2016, 02:19:19 pm
Vast majority are young, adult, able bodied men, not the women, children and old men you would expect when you think "war refugee". The majority of those that have asked for asylum didn't come from Syria or Iraq, the journey to Europe requires funds and resources. The REAL refugees are largely in surrounding countries, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. And that's ignoring the booming trade in fake syrian/iraqi passports that have suddenly gained much value, for obvious reasons. The opportunists outpaced out the real refugees by a large margin.

Is there any valid data on the matter?

I've a friend working in ER. He's a very conservative guy and many times in the past I condemned him for his in my eyes xenophobic views. But recently he witnessed several real fucked up war refugees and even he is now acknowledging that these are people in bad need for help.

The recent Der Spiegel piece on the New Right (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugee-crisis-drives-rise-of-new-right-wing-in-germany-a-1067384.html). An interesting article, mostly for its propaganda value.

What is propagandistic about it?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 08, 2016, 02:31:12 pm
If he works in an ER then it's no surprise he's seeing the people who are fucked up and need help? I don't understand what it's supposed to prove that he's witnessed "several" refugees in need of help when there's millions of them.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 08, 2016, 02:37:47 pm
What is propagandistic about it?
The article is basically a shitlist of right-wing politicians that illustrates why each of them is bad.

I don't know the biography of each one, I'm no expert on what they did and I can't tell whether the stuff written in the article is well-researched and coming to an unbiased conclusion or not. That's why I don't allow myself to judge it. I don't know if it's propagandistic or not.

But if it's not propagandistic, what else could it be? The only thing that comes to mind is redundant. An article with the conclusion "biased, extremist right-wing politicians are bad" is not exactly worth reading.

That's what I hate about politics. You need to spend several dozens of hours to research your own opinion, the alternatives are usually equally disappointing, and your vote is pooled with several million others, who either didn't inform themselves as much as you did, or wasted an equal amount of time so they can not make a difference.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 08, 2016, 03:12:38 pm
What is propagandistic about it?
Its premises and conclusions are largely ideological. It doesn't address the well-documented substance of legitimate concerns that has made people from all social strata, and many from the left, become part of the New Right, instead preferring to paint it as a whole as 'xenophobia' or 'hate'. I think the left is doing itself a grave disservice by stigmatizing large parts of the population and by pathologizing emotions which are consequences not causes, as argued by the comment I quoted.


Is there any valid data on the matter?
According to Eurostat numbers only 1 in 5 of the refugees are from Syria. Without them there would still be an immigration crisis in Europe, accentuated by the disastrous policies of Swedish and German leadership.



On the police report from New Year's Eve in Cologne released yesterday, 'Chaotic and Shameful': http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-on-new-years-produced-chaos-say-police-a-1070894.html

Why wasn't reinforcements called in? Tear gas, water cannons, however it is handled in Germany?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 08, 2016, 05:25:27 pm
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leaked cologne sexual harassment
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Post by: Rico on January 08, 2016, 05:46:36 pm
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leaked cologne sexual harassment
German women don't work this way
most landwhales are more like this
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 08, 2016, 07:13:41 pm

According to Eurostat numbers only 1 in 5 of the refugees are from Syria. Without them there would still be an immigration crisis in Europe, accentuated by the disastrous policies of Swedish and German leadership.


Jup. The lets "help everyone, we can" policy has resulted in people from even the furthest parts of Africa, hoarding Europe. Its a pretty fucked up case of basically masses of people taking advantage of the current softness of European countries. The crysis isnt even ISIS or US bombings fault. Its basically due to Germany and Sweden announcing around the globe that they are offering refuge to everybody. And that sounds good and the smugglers made it sound even 10 times better. Helping Syrians was a nice thought, but now Germany and Sweden are stuck with a bunch of random people from god knows where. You couldnt even send majority of them back if you wanted to.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: RD_Professor on January 08, 2016, 08:03:45 pm
I saw the title of this post and thought cologne was used in sex attacks. Gee was I wrong, judging from the latest posts it's about something entirely different that I'm too lazy to put into words.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 08, 2016, 11:39:29 pm
Someone decided to attack Iraq.

Oh no you didn't drop that thread bomb. I haven't read the two other pages yet, but it's about western imperialism again, right? Calling it.

Edit: yep

statistics from australian institute for crime research for first world countries:
on average, 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys becomes a rape victim before the age of 18
source: you get what you pay for (ebook)

Good lord the average austrian girl is raped more than the average US college girl has her butt touch a man through four layers of clothing while dancing in a nightclub.

Think about a syrian baby getting mowed down by border police as it hangs from barbed wire, his pregnant mother desperately trying to protect him.

Haha Oberyn at least we can agree on something. Brothers in cynicism.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 09, 2016, 12:27:01 am
Serbian government didn't get the memo that proper way of dealing with dem 'migrants is the right way. They be showing on TV some policeman playing with dem 'migrant kids in snow. Serbia being 3rd worlds country always lagging behind modern trends in European centers...

In case you're wondering, haven't heard about one case of dem muslum 'migrants raping them nubile sexy females in my city. Must be government trying to cover up thy truth, we better arm ourselves to protect our freedoms. Amirite?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Utrakil on January 09, 2016, 12:28:28 am
perhaps your women are not sexy enough.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 09, 2016, 12:38:44 am
Or maybe muslums miss them pigs so much, they sexually exploit German women because they remind them of those forbidden animals.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: LordBerenger on January 09, 2016, 02:17:46 am
Maybe women should learn some kind of Martial Arts and roflstomp the offenders balls........ayy lmao

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Admerius on January 09, 2016, 11:59:36 am
Has any legal actions been taken against the media and government officials in Germany?

They should be investigated and face the consequence for not doing their job, and possible charges of gross and willful miss-conduct.

Don't let this delusional virtue signaling bullshit high-jack the deabte:
"Not all immigrants",
"Don't over simplify",
"Don't make it to a right wing talking point"

Criminals should face the consequences according to the law,
What they are is irrelevant(atm), it's the act that is illegal/the problem.
The latest info I got: It seems to be nearly ONE THOUSAND suspected robbers/sexual offenders loose in Cologne.
Capturing and locking them up(not primarily as punishment, but to keep the streets of Cologne safe for EVERYONE) should be top priority.
It's a "state of emergency" level of effort that would be needed.

The debate about the cause is something all the German/Colognian shouldn't focus on as top priority.

Treat the APPARENT AND KNOWN cause of this problem(capturing the offenders) should be top priority,
Second priority, and very much related, Investigate preventative measures.

This might be a good start.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/21/norway-teaches-migrant-men-not-rape/ (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/21/norway-teaches-migrant-men-not-rape/)
Of course it must be compulsory aka. requirement for asylum/citizenship.
And it should apply to many more countries, not only the Muslim majority ones.

It's culturally suicidal to invite carriers of reason resistant viral and toxic ideas,
Either educate those individuals to reject those ideas or,
Black-list them and don't let them in.

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And finally some insensitive puns regarding all this:
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 09, 2016, 12:52:25 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 09, 2016, 02:07:40 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/finland/12088332/Unprecedented-sex-harassment-in-Helsinki-at-New-Year-Finnish-police-report.html

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 09, 2016, 02:30:26 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/finland/12088332/Unprecedented-sex-harassment-in-Helsinki-at-New-Year-Finnish-police-report.html

Did it hurt Xant?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 09, 2016, 03:14:43 pm
Not in the least, I got used to it in the military.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 09, 2016, 06:19:36 pm
:lol:

You may be laughing and not taking these things serious enough, but for us living in Cologne, the whole thing is not a joke. #eineArmlängeAbstand
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 09, 2016, 07:30:01 pm
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kalp on January 09, 2016, 09:23:30 pm
Has any legal actions been taken against the media and government officials in Germany?

Nope. Instead their fucktard leftist politicians want to put economic sanctions on Poland [like in Russia case], because we made "anti-democratic" changes in public tv. Normally joke of the year  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 09, 2016, 09:26:53 pm
TV news executives appointed by the government, Poland so free :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 09, 2016, 09:38:50 pm
Its quite undemocratic. Why the hell was a law like that even passed? Kinda never expected that from Poland.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 09, 2016, 09:55:26 pm
TV news executives appointed by the government, Poland so free :lol:

sure because the media in other countries is not controlled by the government, aye?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Vovka on January 09, 2016, 10:01:38 pm
in tolerant Europe, you could openly hold meetings if someone raped you  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 09, 2016, 10:02:38 pm
sure because the media in other countries is not controlled by the government, aye?

you are one of those, seriously?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kalp on January 09, 2016, 10:07:29 pm
Its quite undemocratic. Why the hell was a law like that even passed? Kinda never expected that from Poland.

What is undemocratic ? What do you think the previous government did when they got the power ? Literally it sacked hundreds of jurnalists from public tv just becasue they have not love the point of view of government.

Where germans and EU politicians were when this happend ? Where they were when secret service attacked private newspaper because chief had on his laptop inconvenient information about government ? Where they were when government swept under carpet swindle after swindle ?

Yeah I know, democratic is only when left side say something and when right side say something then it is undemocratic and racist.

Btw: I heard that german police terminate demonstration against immigrants. Where is your freedom of speech ? haha hypocrites and liars leftists.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 09, 2016, 10:08:52 pm
you are one of those, seriously?

one of whom, you say? But seriously, you dont wanna tell me that the media really has the choice to openly discuss anything? Certain topics are being kept down and you probably noticed that as well, concerning this topic.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 09, 2016, 10:23:24 pm
Nope. Instead their fucktard leftist politicians want to put economic sanctions on Poland [like in Russia case], because we made "anti-democratic" changes in public tv.

But we - well, not "we" per se, but our government - did made anti-democratic changes. Didn't we?

Its quite undemocratic. Why the hell was a law like that even passed? Kinda never expected that from Poland.

By a mistake we elected undemocratic party, ironically called "Law and Justice". So now we're fucked.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 09, 2016, 10:34:04 pm
one of whom, you say? But seriously, you dont wanna tell me that the media really has the choice to openly discuss anything? Certain topics are being kept down and you probably noticed that as well, concerning this topic.

One of those idiots believing that our media is government-controlled.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 09, 2016, 10:38:03 pm
I don't think we need this discussion now. Media is not honest enough though. The whole "political correctness" for example should stop.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kalp on January 09, 2016, 11:05:39 pm
But we - well, not "we" per se, but our government - did made anti-democratic changes. Didn't we?

These changes are not anti-democratic for me. It's nothing new [at least in Poland] that each new elected government change the chiefs of public tv/radio. You can't forget that they are the joint-stock copmany of State Treasury.

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By a mistake we elected undemocratic party, ironically called "Law and Justice". So now we're fucked.
Yep, so many people made mistake in legal and democratic voting. Nope, they chose the change after 8 years of constatnt swindles and licking the ass of frau Merkel. And first time the loser party does so hypocritical noise inside and outside the country, because they lost.

Ok, be still blind to some things or maybe you need a few horny muslim immigrants in your home ?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Admerius on January 10, 2016, 12:18:46 am
The systemic political correctness(yes, systemic, not systematical) has caused a delay in the criminal investigations.
Which might lead to more persons being robbed/sexually abused(and sadly but likely traumatized).
This is comparable to aiding the robbers, abusers and rapists, and should be a criminal offense.

We need facts, you know, those pesky things that describe reality accurately and doesn't care what political, social, cultural, emotional etc. etc. narrative they support or discredit.
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Thomek on January 10, 2016, 12:57:18 am
These changes are not anti-democratic for me. It's nothing new [at least in Poland] that each new elected government change the chiefs of public tv/radio. You can't forget that they are the joint-stock copmany of State Treasury.
Yep, so many people made mistake in legal and democratic voting. Nope, they chose the change after 8 years of constatnt swindles and licking the ass of frau Merkel. And first time the loser party does so hypocritical noise inside and outside the country, because they lost.

Ok, be still blind to some things or maybe you need a few horny muslim immigrants in your home ?

Immediately changing the bosses of all public media appointed directly by the minister of finance is insane. Modern democracies don't do that.

Licking Merkels ass?? Who the fuck do you think have given you billions of billions of Euros to rebuild Poland? NOTHING happened in Poland before you joined the EU. I came here 8 years ago and its black and white from when I came. Huge progress. Actually the best progress of ANY of the Eastern European countries. You can see it in the streets. I was in Slovakia a while ago, and the capital Bratislava is a shithole compared to the universally accepted "shithole" of Poland, Lodz! (Where I live! :)  IMO Poland should be happy, and accept it still has a lot to learn from i.ex Germany.

About refugees, one thing is Germany/Scandinavia etc. They already have a lot, perhaps too many. I've said it before, but in Poland's case its extremely hypocritical. Polish people live in millions, also creating communities all over the world, drunk driving, working without paying taxes, and taking benefits from my home country Norway. And that's PURE economical immigration. To put it bluntly, most Polish people are racist fucks, but I don't blame them. In the most homogenously clean(ed) country on earth, you don't have much experience with foreigners, good or bad, and for the most I think people are just scared. Anyway, 10k refugees is nothing in a country of 40 million, and although I generally agree with most people here that we have taken enough in Europe as a whole, I have to make an exception for Poland:

It would be good for Polish people to meet other than other Polish people. Many Poles I've met are really backwards, and they don't even see what a great country they live in themselves. I think it would be mentally healthy for Poland to take a small amount of immigrants. Yes. 


Now.. about the previous government. I'm also convinced they were relatively useless, and probably corrupt as well. They were not half as bad as this one though. Falka has a reasonable point of view.. Uhm we wanted change, but not this crazy shit.

(Like.. Yes, I do understand Poland now starts to gain confidence and wants to stand on its own legs and shit. It's like an eager patient wanting to get out of bed before the leg(head?) is fully healed. Just that.. Nowadays, no countries stand on its own legs anymore. They cooperate, trade, do shit where it's most economical to do whatever shit needs to be done. Everyone has a role to play, and going solo would simply suck for Poland. Imagine no EU money! Imagine no EU rules fixing your corrupt institutions! Poland would still be full of grey building and shit roads.  The other thing is now the Russia hating new government is playing straight into Putins hand. )
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 02:03:39 am
Yep, so many people made mistake in legal and democratic voting.

Yes, they did. Because they were lied to by politicians of currently ruling party who were telling us that they're reasonable. And they're not. Most of people didn't see what's coming and didn't expect they would go full retard. Personally I didn't expect it and that's why on election day I stayed home. Well, shame on me.

Who the fuck do you think have given you billions of billions of Euros to rebuild Poland? NOTHING happened in Poland before you joined the EU.

Since 1991 every year we're noting the increase of PKB, so wouldn't say that nothing happened before 2004. But obviously donations from EU helped us hugely. That's why, in an act of solidarity, we should take in our part of refugees. Who's not gonna stay here anyway, because why would they. As you said, polish people in general are... to put it kindly - not very open minded when it comes to other cultures and social support is minimal even for citizens, let alone refugees. So no matter how many we'll take in, they're gonna be back in germany in no time  :wink:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 10, 2016, 08:41:41 am
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 10:19:02 am
The systemic political correctness(yes, systemic, not systematical) has caused a delay in the criminal investigations.
Which might lead to more persons being robbed/sexually abused(and sadly but likely traumatized).
This is comparable to aiding the robbers, abusers and rapists, and should be a criminal offense.

We need facts, you know, those pesky things that describe reality accurately and doesn't care what political, social, cultural, emotional etc. etc. narrative they support or discredit.
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So, who's supposed to deliver on the truth?
The news? Which kind of news outlet? Tweets? Facebook posts? TV reports? TV magazines? TV news? Newspapers? As in articles?
Tweets and facebook? Instant posting of unconfirmed rumours and extremely biased? Everyone believing the truth is in social media is a fucking retard.
TV reports/magazines/news? In Germany at least, it's highly depending on the channel you choose what kind of truth you get. TV time is limited. Editors choose the news for you, depending on their opinion of general interest and priority. Now we're close to classic journalism, those people tend to research(!) before reporting something. So it might actually take them a day or even two to produce something actually true.
Newspapers... in my opinion still the most trustworthy source tbh. They take the most time for research, the have widest spectrum of reported news and common bias is known to the educated public. They are most of time at least one day late tho.

But, let's ignore all the above and just bash "the media" and let's all go back to reading bullshit on twitter, facebook or some weird ass blogs who are run by a single person who found out the conspiracy from home, sitting in front of his PC. They all gonna know best what happened.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Rico on January 10, 2016, 10:47:08 am
Translated a reader's letter to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Hits the mood of the current debate in Germany very well

Here is the original source: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/das-menetekel-von-koeln-ein-kommentar-14004278.html

Quote from: Berthold Kohler
Whether after the Islamist terrorist attacks in Paris or the sexual harassment again women in Cologne: Each time, a Great Wall of China has been erected in Germany. It's purpose was not the lockdown of the country. Instead, it was made to prevent the connection of the respective discussions with the refugee issue. Politicians rightly fear that if the connection was made, the dams that they had built would finally breach, after they have been soaked by the flood of the dissatisfaction in the German population for so long.

The whole magnitude of the violence around the Cologne Cathedral was still unknown when the mayor had already stated that there is no evidence that the perpetrators are refugees. Same with the attacks in Paris: German politicians strongly emphasized that the terrorists had not come to Paris as refugees. Already back then, it dreaded the politicians that the already declining welcoming culture may shift into denial or even hatred and a radicalization of the political debate.

Thus, the grand coalition is shocked whenever somebody disobeys the prohibition of making the connection. For example when the head of the German police union, who is said to have failed the most, mentioned the understaffing of the Cologne police force, whose personnel had been assigned to help at the border. The Department of the Interior has instantly rejected this perspective, because it implied the willingness to sacrifice public order in a major city to organize the refugee stream at least a little bit.

The events in Cologne have unsettled many Germans for good, because the state has displayed itself as weak and undetermined not only at the border but also inside. Further, they have once again disappointed the citizens and created the impression that the authorities suppress and censor facts simply because they are "politically delicate", as a policeman in command commented.

This spiral of silence, which Interior Minister de Maizière now wants to disrupt, has been part of the political agenda for decades. All democratic parties agree that a strengthening of the extremist groups has to be prevented. However, the politics of euphemisms and factual distortions in the refugee issue that have spawned from this noble cause have the exact opposite effect: They are driving sincere democrats into the camp of non-voters and the barricades. They feel deprived of their right of free speech, stigmatized as xenophobes and pushed into the right corner of the political spectrum, where some of them stay.

Cologne is a hard blow for Merkel's politics of the welcome culture. This is displayed by her quick demand that the constitutional democracy must react with full force. Other than that, the principle of hope still applies: Hopefully, there haven't been any refugees among the perpetrators! However, if the politics wants to salvage its residual credibility, only truth and clarity will work. Would the conclusion that the perpetrators and their accomplices have been living in Germany for a long time, perhaps even as German citizens, be any better? No: This would be just another proof for the plentifully failed integration. Proofs for such a failure and the existence of parallel cultures, whose rules are incompatible with the values of the German culture are countless and not restricted to major cities.

The Cologne events have such an unsettling effect because they are simultaneously reinforcing old concerns and warning signs of a German future nobody wants to experience. Only the combination of naivete and illusions of grandeur can lead to the honest belief that the immigration of a gazillion of young Muslim men from the war regions of Asia and Africa won't further reinforce the existing problems with immigrants in Germany. Many Syrians, Afghans and Moroccans will become industrious workers and dutiful tax payers. Other "refugees" however will, despite loving care, keeping thinking of the from the politics weakened policemen as sissies, women as free sex objects and democrats as lunatics. They will join the clans and organized crime, and the number of subjects to Islamist recruiting will increase.

Germany won't gain control of the refugee crisis through bold announcements and a harsher practice of deportation. These measures are unavailable and unwanted for several reasons. But the decision who may come to Germany and stay must be made much earlier. That's because the safety and the future of this republic will of course depend on who we welcome.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Christo on January 10, 2016, 11:22:34 am
haha keep downvoting retard
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 11:38:12 am
These changes are not anti-democratic for me. It's nothing new [at least in Poland] that each new elected government change the chiefs of public tv/radio. You can't forget that they are the joint-stock copmany of State Treasury.

Theres no such thing as "Anti-democratic for me". Its like saying "this piece of shit, doesnt taste like piece of shit to me, because ive been eating shit my whole life". Im pretty sure the North-Koreans find nothing undemocratic about their voting aswell. Doesnt really mean anything.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 11:42:30 am
It means nothing, anyway. Democracy's the biggest and most successful lie of our times.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 12:11:14 pm
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Panos_ on January 10, 2016, 12:29:50 pm
lol, no. I'm to busy working 41 hours + overtime, hitting the gym 4-5 times a week, caring for my family and spending  time with my girlfriend and her family - which, btw, all have black or dark-brown hair, darker skin than me or any average German, because they are migrants/children of immigrants.
Large parts of her family aren't even living here anymore or didn't ever live here and still visit us regularly, and some of them that are permanently living here don't even have a german passport, so they are "foreigners" by the definition of the law.

So sorry to dissapoint you, but especially Molly. Warlord eventually marrying into a family of immigrants/non-germans  :P :D :mrgreen:

omg, shut up you neonazee skinhad  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 12:43:55 pm
lol, no. I'm to busy working 41 hours + overtime, hitting the gym 4-5 times a week, caring for my family and spending  time with my girlfriend and her family - which, btw, all have black or dark-brown hair, darker skin than me or any average German, because they are migrants/children of immigrants.
Large parts of her family aren't even living here anymore or didn't ever live here and still visit us regularly, and some of them that are permanently living here don't even have a german passport, so they are "foreigners" by the definition of the law.

So sorry to dissapoint you, but especially Molly. Warlord eventually marrying into a family of immigrants/non-germans  :P :D :mrgreen:


She's italian isn't she
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 12:59:02 pm
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
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The state is nothing but an instrument of oppression of one class by another – no less so in a democratic republic than in a monarchy.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 01:00:18 pm

She's italian isn't she

Haha, close, but no. There are italian and spanish in-law relatives in her family, but she and her family are portuguese :D

Dark hair and bronzy complexion, southern european women are the hottest for sure  :)
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 10, 2016, 01:26:09 pm
Haha, close, but no. There are italian and spanish in-law relatives in her family, but she and her family are portuguese :D

Dark hair and bronzy complexion, southern european women are the hottest for sure  :)

omg i love portuguese women.  the ones whithout a mustache are fucking gorgeous,  and the country itself is a fucking dream. congrats man.



btw not sure if i mentioned this already but my former neighbours,  Iranian immigrants that fled because of political/religious persecution,  pretty much predicted the turn of events back in fall already. 

 
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 01:31:05 pm
Haha, close, but no. There are italian and spanish in-law relatives in her family, but she and her family are portuguese :D

And you're not racist because you're dating Portuguese girl...

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That's all labels. You just label everything. That's so fuckin' lazy... You just... You're a lazy fucker.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 01:48:00 pm
And you're not racist because you're dating Portuguese girl...

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PS.Not saying that you are.

That's all labels. You just label everything. That's so fuckin' lazy... You just... You're a lazy fucker.

Well, a racist would, by the definition of the word, never be in a relationship with someone from another race.
And btw, leftist are the ones always bringin in the racism/race card in every situation.
I don't classify people into races at all. Just into people I like / a living together is good and peaceful and people I don't like/ a living together is bad and full of trouble.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 01:56:52 pm
Well, a racist would, by the definition of the word, never be in a relationship with someone from another race.

Portuguese and Germans are different races? Okayyy...

Molly: "You're a racist"
Warlord: "No, I'm not. Proof: I'm dating Portuguese girl."
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 02:10:09 pm
You may be laughing and not taking these things serious enough, but for us living in Cologne, the whole thing is not a joke. #eineArmlängeAbstand
How would you describe public sentiment right now?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 10, 2016, 02:11:38 pm
How would you describe public sentiment right now?

I literally asked this a young gf in cologne I have.  could imagine it being different on whom you ask, too.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 10, 2016, 02:15:54 pm
Well, a racist would, by the definition of the word, never be in a relationship with someone from another race.
And btw, leftist are the ones always bringin in the racism/race card in every situation.
I don't classify people into races at all. Just into people I like / a living together is good and peaceful and people I don't like/ a living together is bad and full of trouble.

Well she is not gorilla, so ye a different race, right warlord  :wink:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 02:16:43 pm
Portuguese and Germans are different races? Okayyy...

Molly: "You're a racist"
Warlord: "No, I'm not. Proof: I'm dating Portuguese girl."
 :rolleyes:

Counterquestion: What race (again, I am not the one bringing race into this) is it that in this very case Germans and Portuguese belong to?

Germans, Frenchs, Portuguese, Italians, Brits, Poles and so on all have different languages, culture, conventions and traditions, but still we all share a common history, the same religion (at least in the very core) and most importantly the Enlightenment, which resulted in the free democratic basic order all european countries (more or less at least) have.
That is why Germans, Frenchs, Portuguese, Italians, Brits, Poles and so on can live together peacefully and mostly without trouble. It really isn't some kind of magic, it is pretty much common sense.

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 02:18:47 pm
I literally asked this a young gf in cologne I have.  could imagine it being different on whom you ask, too.
Certainly. I'm just interested in perspectives. If nothing else the symptoms manifesting themselves on New Year's Eve seem to have raised public awareness and kickstarted some long-overdue debate in Germany and Europe in general.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kalp on January 10, 2016, 02:24:37 pm
haha keep downvoting retard
I know, it's all what you can write when the facts are given. Keep going.

If you don't like someone post you can give minus. If you like you can give plus. Simple. Double-edged function.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 10, 2016, 02:27:03 pm
Counterquestion: What race (again, I am not the one bringing race into this) is it that in this very case Germans and Portuguese belong to?

Germans, Frenchs, Portuguese, Italians, Brits, Poles and so on all have different languages, culture, conventions and traditions, but still we all share a common history, the same religion (at least in the very core) and most importantly the Enlightenment, which resulted in the free democratic basic order all european countries (more or less at least) have.
That is why Germans, Frenchs, Portuguese, Italians, Brits, Poles and so on can live together peacefully and mostly without trouble. It really isn't some kind of magic, it is pretty much common sense.

The fact you pull out the I'm dating a girl from south of Europe with a bit darker complexion as you proof of not being racist is racist as fuck lol.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 02:28:28 pm
The fact you pull out the I'm dating a girl from south of Europe with a bit darker complexion as you proof of not being racist is racist as fuck lol.

Well, that doesn't make sense at all, but ok.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 10, 2016, 02:32:40 pm
Well, that doesn't make sense at all, but ok.

Dude.... you are dating a caucasian girl from europe, what's so special about it?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 02:51:26 pm
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Laufknoten on January 10, 2016, 03:06:09 pm
Some of the stuff that happened in cologne at Silvester as reported by the police:

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- Residence permits have been ripped in front of police officers by refugees and commented by saying, "you can't do anything to me, I'll go get a new one tomorrow."
- Restraining orders could be enforced only by force. People just came back and made a joke out of the situation.
- A man was quoted saying "I am Syrian, you have to treat me kindly. Mrs. Merkel has invited me"
- People who witnessed the assaults and robberies and reported them to the police were later chased and threatened by the perpetrators
- Taking offenders into custody was simply impossible due to lacking capacities
- Fireworks and bottles were thrown at the police
source: http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150713773/Der-schockierende-Einsatzbericht-der-Koelner-Polizei.html

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 03:09:25 pm
Just read the number of assaults in Cologne alone are now up to 379 and not 170 as originally thought.

Also read the police commissioner had to resign for his handling of this, but where is the backlash against the minister of justice, ie. the person who first claimed that it was wrong to make a correlation between these assaults and the hordes of immigrants when it has long since been proven that not only was there an attempt at a cover-up, all the perpetrators were immigrants (legal aswell as illegal) or asylum seekers.

Looking forward to seeing Merkel go at next election, but by then the damage is already done.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 03:26:06 pm
Pretty sure eventually militias will be formed and the immigrants will be fucked.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 10, 2016, 03:29:13 pm
Pretty sure eventually militias will be formed and the immigrants will be fucked.

we dont need melitias,  we just need better support for our law enforcement officers,  and better laws to let them handle situations better.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 03:37:54 pm
It's embarrassing and a downright scandal it took German media five days to even report this. Lends some credibility to the Pegida chant 'Lügenpresse'.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 03:38:56 pm
You may need a lot of things, related to the law. Doesnt mean its gonna happen. Eventually your police is gonna get overwhelmed. Especially if a shitstorm like the Köln new year happens again. And pretty confident its gonna happen again. And when police gets overwhelmed. Militias get formed.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 10, 2016, 03:47:38 pm
It's embarrassing and a downright scandal it took German media five days to even report this. Lends some credibility to the Pegida chant 'Lügenpresse'.

the most fucked up word ever.  literally hate the pegida gaylords, bunch of morons
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Laufknoten on January 10, 2016, 03:58:31 pm
the most fucked up word ever.  literally hate the pegida gaylords, bunch of morons
Doesn't change the fact that it's true. The media deliberately held back information about what happened in cologne and even when they couldn't hide it anymore they tried to cover up the fact that the perpetrators were north african/refugees/immigrants etc.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 04:19:02 pm
Dude.... you are dating a caucasian girl from europe, what's so special about it?
Spanish and Portuguese aren't white like Germans, Brits, Scandinavians, etc. They have a very distinct look thanks to the Iberian peninsula being controlled by Muslims for so long (700 years).
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 10, 2016, 04:26:56 pm
Spanish and Portuguese aren't white like Germans, Brits, Scandinavians, etc. They have a very distinct look thanks to the Iberian peninsula being controlled by Muslims for so long (700 years).

They are way more attractive then inbreed northern tribes, you got that right.  :mrgreen:

Jokes aside, that all can be applied to most souther Eurepean nations, do you consider thenžm a different race?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Admerius on January 10, 2016, 04:31:25 pm
"So, who's supposed to deliver on the truth?"

Not "the truth" but "current events", media is supposed to report what happens in a way that is an extension of our senses in an as objective way possible.

"Newspapers... in my opinion still the most trustworthy source tbh. They take the most time for research, the have widest spectrum of reported news and common bias is known to the educated public. They are most of time at least one day late tho."

I agree, "most trusthworthy" compared to alternatives. That means we need many outlets that have their biases on display so that it's not, easily, mistaken for "the truth".

The current status of official, established and mostly well regulated big-old media in Scandinavia is, still, very good.
The problem I have with them is the trend of it getting worse, and that it is very easy to change that by dropping the PC/feminist/virtue-signaling slant that's spreading and report what the population would most likely want/need to know to make informed decisions.

For example:
The attacks in Kalmar, Sweden, was reported as committed by "men", this is over-simplifying it too far. The often correct prejudice that cultural heritage(morals, political stance etc.) can be correlated to skin tone/facial structure is, IMO wrongfully, dismissed as "everyday racist outlook"

There is a correlation there and since it is clearly visible it is a useful tool to discriminate by, of course there will be false positives, but that is nothing compared to the false negatives that would occur by not discriminating at all or discriminating based on biological-sex only.

The points about social media:
"I only follow members of my echo-chamber" attitude is a clear and present danger, a better word for it is "intellectual sectarianism".

If I would self-assess my social media browsing it would look something like this:
10% I frequently/always disagree with
50% 50/50 Agree/disagree
20% I frequently/always agree with
20% Raw facts(science stuff etc.)

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 04:35:40 pm
It's embarrassing and a downright scandal it took German media five days to even report this. Lends some credibility to the Pegida chant 'Lügenpresse'.
Molly care to elaborate on why you minus this post? Seems to be irrational to me, when in this case certainly the record shows otherwise. If you think Pegida have wrong ideals one can only logically assume you wouldn't want their slogans to actually find support in reality, reinforcing these views among the population.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 04:46:44 pm
They are way more attractive then inbreed northern tribes, you got that right.  :mrgreen:

Jokes aside, that all can be applied to most souther Eurepean nations, do you consider thenžm a different race?
What southern European nations?

Fact is, the Spanish and Portuguese mixed with Arabs for 700 years. As a result, they look different from "Germanic" white people. What "race" you consider them is just semantics.

Spanish and Portuguese people:
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If I saw one of them rob a bank, I wouldn't tell the police it was a white dude, I'd say maybe it was a latino, or a Spaniard, or maybe even a guy from Iran... but I wouldn't confuse the dude with a German or a Brit or a Swede or a Finn or...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 05:04:11 pm


If I saw one of them rob a bank, I wouldn't tell the police it was a white dude, I'd say maybe it was a latino, or a Spaniard, or maybe even a guy from Iran... but I wouldn't confuse the dude with a German or a Brit or a Swede or a Finn or...

Wat? Agree with you that most portuguese/spanish people aren't as white as germans, but saying that you wouldn't call the guys in the picture you posted white is ridiculous
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 05:05:34 pm
Wat? Agree with you that most portuguese/spanish people aren't as white as germans, but saying that you wouldn't call the guys in the picture you posted white is ridiculous
Calling them white is ridiculous. They're as white as Iranians.

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Here's another picture. Spain looks closer to Iraq than German.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 05:06:41 pm
Molly care to elaborate on why you minus this post? Seems to be irrational to me, when in this case certainly the record shows otherwise. If you think Pegida have wrong ideals one can only logically assume you wouldn't want their slogans to actually find support in reality, reinforcing these views among the population.
...because 2 minutes of Google search tell me that your statement is utter bullshit. That's why, idiot.

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 05:06:48 pm
Calling them white is ridiculous. They're as white as Iranians.


So the last girl in the pic to you isn't white, k.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 05:09:04 pm

So the last girl in the pic to you isn't white, k.
Notice how I was talking about guys the whole time? The girls tend to look "whiter" than the guys.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 10, 2016, 05:09:22 pm
Dude.... you are dating a caucasian girl from europe, what's so special about it?

Maybe he thinks she's gypsy. Like Romanian girls.

...

Anyways, any chance of all that rage manifesting on the streets or you're just going to fight internet battles, dear right wing sympathizers? One must give credit to muslim fundamentalists, they are fighting for their cause on the streets not just on the internet. Right wingers in Europe deserve nothing if they are unable to fight and win occasional battles. That includes elections, if you can't get in power then gtfo.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 10, 2016, 05:10:17 pm
What southern European nations?


If I saw one of them rob a bank, I wouldn't tell the police it was a white dude, I'd say maybe it was a latino, or a Spaniard, or maybe even a guy from Iran... but I wouldn't confuse the dude with a German or a Brit or a Swede or a Finn or...

wow
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 05:11:12 pm
wow
No arguments? No surprise, you can't argue against the facts. Or maybe you're one of those people who think it's racist to call someone not white, because not being white is inferior- oh wait.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 05:13:24 pm
...because 2 minutes of Google search tell me that your statement is utter bullshit. That's why, idiot.
I will let your language speak for itself, but regarding the issue then the public and political complaint is directed at establishment media, like the public broadcaster ZDF whose editors have even apologized publicly and called it a 'misjudgement'. Five days is a long time, which together with the initial police reports plays right into the hands of Pegida supporters.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 05:15:45 pm
Notice how I was talking about guys the whole time? The girls tend to look "whiter" than the guys.

Same to me tbh, if the police asked you to describe them you would say "they're not white, dunno if indian iranian or latino but they weren't white" right? You do realize there isn't only norwegian kind of "white people" just as much as there isn't only guineas black people right?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 05:16:48 pm
First it's all media and I show you your own unwillingness to actually check and now it's only the ZDF?
much media so all of 'em wow

Idiot.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 10, 2016, 05:20:14 pm
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They all look the same to me.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 05:22:36 pm
First it's all media and I show you your own unwillingness to actually check and now it's only the ZDF?
much media so all of 'em wow

Idiot.
The ZDF case is the one that has been written about all over international media after the official apology and the one people are pointing to because it's German public-service media, of course that was the one I talked about (assuming people contributing to this thread read at least some major news outlets), and I'm sure other media get their news from ZDF like they do from our national public-service channel here, the DR (and no, that doesn't necessarily mean all media, Molly).
I used the general term 'media' and my wording can (and does seem to, I'll grant) but doesn't necessarily specify 'all media' in any finite sense. The English language can work like that. Why the hell would I even say that, I highly doubt there's been any such reports. If I remember correctly there was mostly criticism that early reports said nothing about the ethnic element to the crimes.

Yet, the point stands, confusion and invectiveness aside.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 05:24:28 pm
Same to me tbh, if the police asked you to describe them you would say "they're not white, dunno if indian iranian or latino but they weren't white" right? You do realize there isn't only norwegian kind of "white people" just as much as there isn't only guineas black people right?
You don't get it, apparently. You wouldn't know someone is a Norwegian, but if you said they were white the Reasonable Man would understand what you mean. A Norwegian and a German look virtually the same. Brits sometimes have a "British" look, but they can still pass for French, German, Swedish, etc, a lot of the time.

Meanwhile, a lot of Spanish people could be mistaken for Arabs by the uninitiated, while no one would mistake a genetic German for an Arab. It's a really obvious difference if you don't have an agenda. They look different from what is generally understood as stereotypically white, and they stand out -- meanwhile, most Europeans could be mistaken to live in most European countries, because they look stereotypically white. A Spanish person walks down the street in Finland, he stands out as not-a-Finn. A German walks down the street, no one knows until he opens his mouth. I'm belaboring the point, but I just don't understand what's so hard about it.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 05:36:46 pm
All I'm talking about is related to the pic, if to help the investigations youd say those guys in the picture are not white, then your standards of white are brokento me; i understand you live in finland, which i don't think to be the most multicultural nation on earth but then again we live in 2015 and you should know white doesn't coincide with pure norwegian. Also mistaking them for iranian, lol
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 05:40:35 pm
Let me put it like this, if i asked you to spot the white girl in this pic youd say there are none?

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Just noticed pic is hige
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 05:44:14 pm
All I'm talking about is related to the pic, if to help the investigations youd say those guys in the picture are not white, then your standards of white are brokento me; i understand you live in finland, which i don't think to be the most multicultural nation on earth but then again we live in 2015 and you should know white doesn't coincide with pure norwegian. Also mistaking them for iranian, lol
I have no idea what you're talking about, or why you're saying white =/= pure norwegian.

Let me put it like this, if i asked you to spot the white girl in this pic youd say there are none?

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Just noticed pic is hige
Like I said before, it's harder to say with women. She could be a latino looking white girl, or she could be a white girl looking latino.

Incidentally, why do you think statistics, especially in the US, often differentiate between white and hispanic, or at least use white-hispanic?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 05:45:31 pm
Let me put it like this, if i asked you to spot the white girl in this pic youd say there are none?

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Just noticed pic is hige

There is none. Cuz horizontal scrolls are for my old friendgits.  :mrgreen: Seriuslly, I had to add style elements on inspect just to see it.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 06:01:08 pm
I have no idea what you're talking about, or why you're saying white =/= pure norwegian.
Like I said before, it's harder to say with women. She could be a latino looking white girl, or she could be a white girl looking latino.

Incidentally, why do you think statistics, especially in the US, often differentiate between white and hispanic, or at least use white-hispanic?

Because i said they don't coincide, not that they're different; the "girls look whiter" argument is stupid.


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The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race" and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 06:16:30 pm
Because i said they don't coincide, not that they're different; the "girls look whiter" argument is stupid.
You're stupid. It's always harder to tell with women where they're from.

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She, for example, could be anything from a Swede to an Argentinian to an Iranian...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 10, 2016, 06:19:46 pm
Oh Molly, you're trying hard to defend what? It is us Germans being attacked currently, we are having the problems with those "refugees".

@Angantyr:
Totally depends. bad for me and my family and especially the females there, and my gf.
Some people dont give a fuck though, I'd guess.

Guess I'm always in a bad damn mood every morning she leaves the house when it is dark, and she needs about an hour to use public transport to reach work, and another in the evening as well. Can't say I did ever trust our safety system at all, but now it is even worse. Though it is not much worse than it was half a year ago when the mass invasion of refugees started.
Someone who says everything is alright, is just an idiot.

just another point, for other arabs/northern african people, who immigrated here fifty years ago or were even born and raised here, the whole thing is bad as well. Doubt on first and second sight any of us can see a difference of any of them to the refugees? Certainly not. Keeping distance.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: darmaster on January 10, 2016, 06:27:52 pm
You're stupid. It's always harder to tell with women where they're from.

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She, for example, could be anything from a Swede to an Argentinian to an Iranian...

It's always hard for what? She's much different and different clothed from the guys you posted before
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 06:30:40 pm
It's embarrassing and a downright scandal it took German media five days to even report this. Lends some credibility to the Pegida chant 'Lügenpresse'.
This statement as you wrote it is false and utter bullshit. That for me warranted a -1 and me calling you an idiot for writing it.
And as it is in research, you do not publish something you can not properly confirm. Already and the 2nd of January there were reports about the incident pointing out the high number of immigrants.
So, I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that German media failed. They were careful, hesitant... yes. They did not fail, except for maybe single exceptions.
And you did write German media which at least insinuates most of the media. That is not true, it is false, you are an idiot.

Oh Molly, you're trying hard to defend what? It is us Germans being attacked currently, we are having the problems with those "refugees".
[...]
Yes, all Germans are under attack. We are at war.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 10, 2016, 06:34:42 pm
Yes, all Germans are under attack. We are at war.  :rolleyes:

The war is being brought here. Do you really think no problems with a clash of cultures would be created? Refugees running from a country where they were attacked, houses destroyed, relatives killed, then they cross the sea with a shitty boat or go by foot for weeks? That does leave no marks that could cause anything bad? It is not like they paid 100€ and then went by plane, landed in Cologne, walked into the nearest hotel and settled down? No. Put away your weak glasses that show you a world that would and will never exist. Not everything is pink and nice, in this case nothing is.
Anyway, soon enough we'll see militias being formed and then the shit is going down. Hopefully. Seriously.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 06:35:07 pm
It's always hard for what? She's much different and different clothed from the guys you posted before
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 06:38:18 pm
The war is being brought here. Do you really think no problems with a clash of cultures would be created? Refugees running from a country where they were attacked, houses destroyed, relatives killed, then they cross the sea with a shitty boat or go by foot for weeks? That does leave no marks that could cause anything bad? It is not like they paid 100€ and then went by plane, landed in Cologne, walked into the nearest hotel and settled down? No. Put away your weak glasses that show you a world that would and will never exist. Not everything is pink and nice, in this case nothing is.
Anyway, soon enough we'll see militias being formed and then the shit is going down. Hopefully. Seriously.
Maybe you should read my posts in this thread before you go at me like this.
Until then save your breath...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 06:39:27 pm
Molly, as I explained, or tried to explain, that English sentence can mean *some* German media, in this case a very important one btw. the ZDF and whomever gets their news verified through them.

I could have been more specific, but I thought most of us were reading the same articles, so don't put too much emphasis on semantics; I was talking about the ZDF case.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 06:42:54 pm
...which is one of how many dozens of news outlets?
There is hardly a scandal when 1 out 100 is not reporting properly.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 06:44:50 pm
I think the main issue is that it is the public service channel. If it is anything like the Danish DR, I think 5 days are scandalous, yes, and so does the ZDF editors themselves, fortunately.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 06:45:32 pm
1 out of... I don't even know... 20?

Edit: we can shorten this.
I think it has been blown out of proportion. Nonetheless they got massive shit for it and damaged themselves. It sure won't happen again.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 06:48:13 pm
You have that many public service channels co-founded by all federal states in Germany? ZDF isn't the biggest one? Did the others report normally? Genuinely curious, I know little about public service channels outside Denmark and C-Span in the US.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 06:52:06 pm
We have 2 major ones. ARD and ZDF. Those major ones split into more regional stations, every federal state having one.
Dunno but afaik only ZDF got shit for not reporting.
And hesitance is not a bad thing when even official Police statements are questionable.
Nearly all of them reported from a high number of "non-Germans" right from the get go tho.

Edit: great - now I skipped a round on the server thanks to you... pfft.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 07:02:17 pm
Well, hesitation is hardly a common trait of media, and self-censorship is certainly argued now, both for the police and the ZDF, if this was the case or not.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 07:08:27 pm
What is better? Being hesitant to report rumours and unconfirmed stuff coming from eye witnesses you can't interview yourself, all the while doubting the press comments from official places, and simply hoping you'll find something trustworthy the next day? Or simply report stuff that "FluffyCat" reported over her Twitter account?

I know what I prefer.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 10, 2016, 07:12:45 pm
2nd. Because in the end it was right as well.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2016, 07:14:05 pm
2nd. Because in the end it was right as well.
Already figured you'd go that route. Not surprised.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 07:15:19 pm
Doing journalism on the ground, finding sources, fact-checking, following up on leads - not reporting on something as major as this and involving this many people, both perpetrators and victims, before five days later. Seems to have taken a lot longer than usual, unless ZDF always operate this incredibly meticulously (their apology seems to suggest otherwise). Smells of bureaucracy and politics to many, especially considering both the police and justice minister's early public comments.

Equally discomforting, is the fact that there's a police chief suspended not only for dereliction of duty as I first thought, but on allegations of a cover-up.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 07:19:23 pm
I agree with that turkish guy that made the "fuck you eu-s" thread once. We should totally be crusading. Just because the Pope didnt declare it, doesnt really mean anything. He didnt exactly say that we cant crusade. I mean, they cant really say shit if kicking them out of Europe is part of your crusade. I mean, if they reserve themselves the right to play dumb, we should reserve ourselves that too.

> "Why are you doing this?"
> "God wills it!"
> "But Merkel invited me"
> "Merkel is not the pope, god wills it"

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: [ptx] on January 10, 2016, 07:24:10 pm
ITT: Xant identifying white people:
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Laufknoten on January 10, 2016, 07:25:59 pm
What is better? Being hesitant to report rumours and unconfirmed stuff coming from eye witnesses you can't interview yourself, all the while doubting the press comments from official places, and simply hoping you'll find something trustworthy the next day? Or simply report stuff that "FluffyCat" reported over her Twitter account?

I know what I prefer.
I remind you of the stabbing of refugee not long ago. Just hours after it happened the media was all over it saying it was probably done by a neochocolate chip cookie or right winger (and they even blamed the police for not doing their work properly) even though there was nothing to proof it. This kept on for days and weeks until they found out that another refugee stabbed him to death because of some petty dispute. Well after that came out the whole thing went awfully quite...
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 10, 2016, 07:34:49 pm
his kept on for days and weeks until they found out that another refugee stabbed him to death because of some petty dispute. Well after that came out the whole thing went awfully quite...

It wasn't even a surprise for anyone.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2016, 07:35:27 pm
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That's the low IQ take on it, yes, and I can see why someone whose powers of observation only go so far would come to that conclusion. Someone capable of abstract thinking would realize it's the exact opposite, however, and that calling Spanish "white" serves no purpose and has no usefulness unless you're deciding who to throw into the ovens.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: [ptx] on January 10, 2016, 07:51:48 pm
Except for, you know, the fact that Spanish people are white people. Just like Iranians. Hating on ME people is bigotry, just not racism.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 08:05:17 pm
Another trainwreck thread. It is beautiful how we got from Cologne to discussing the level of whiteness.  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 08:05:46 pm
portuguese/spanish people

Calling them white is ridiculous. They're as white as Iranians.

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Calling them white is ridiculous, you say... Okay I guess :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 08:07:28 pm
Another trainwreck thread. It is beautiful how we got from Cologne to discussing the level of whiteness.  :lol:

That's because we don't have Meanwhile in eu thread  :(
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 08:10:29 pm
Another trainwreck thread. It is beautiful how we got from Cologne to discussing the level of whiteness.  :lol:

haha, that's my fault for having a portuguese girlfriend. And the question was about race first. Seems like most people define race over skincolor and nothing else. Whatever, I don't care.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 08:14:47 pm
Yes, the Aryan race is the master race and dating with dirty Portuguese is a proof that you're not racist... You know, I start to think that you have to be kinda racist to bring in such argument.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 08:19:36 pm
Yes, the Aryan race is the master race and dating with dirty Portuguese is a proof that you're not racist... You know, I start to think that you have to be kinda racist to bring in such argument.

What? I start to believe you are even more retarded than Molly, which is kinda an achievement. Congratulation!
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 08:53:23 pm
Ontopic doe. As much as I could find from the internet(might be worthless info, I dunno) the germans helping out in refugeecamps kinda claim aswell that mybe 1/5th are actually in dire need of help. The rest run around with the latest smartphones and overall acting like royalty. Demanding stylish clothes etc. I wonder why isnt the input of these people valued or voiced louder? Is the German government really so ashamed to admit it fucked up, that its willing to get its own people screwed by basically assholes?

Im kinda happy to live in the "racist, intolerant part of Europe". You Germans got fucking conned.  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 10, 2016, 09:01:55 pm
It's already fucked up that anyone of the refugees from Syria were accepted in the first place because none of them should actually get asylum anyway. They simply do not qualify for it because war is not a reason to be supported like that. It's bullshit.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 10, 2016, 09:07:18 pm
That's the low IQ take on it

*fedora tip*
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2016, 09:08:11 pm
Ontopic doe. As much as I could find from the internet(might be worthless info, I dunno) the germans helping out in refugeecamps kinda claim aswell that mybe 1/5th are actually in dire need of help. The rest run around with the latest smartphones and overall acting like royalty. Demanding stylish clothes etc. I wonder why isnt the input of these people valued or voiced louder? Is the German government really so ashamed to admit it fucked up, that its willing to get its own people screwed by basically assholes?

Im kinda happy to live in the "racist, intolerant part of Europe". You Germans got fucking conned.  :lol:

Exactly. And the saddest part is that there is still a fuckton of people that support this. I really wonder where all that self-hate and desire for self-destruction comes from. We are truly the prime example of a brainwashed nation. 70 Years of red and green indoctrination, starting in kindergarden, really did the job well.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 09:24:19 pm
I think the supporters are legitimate people that have seen the hardships that the 1/5th have gone through, or have traveled a lot and discovered that we can all be friends, or went to those special global partnershipish colleges where all cultures are equally respected and where only extremely decent and promising students study. And they are blinded by that. Unfortunately the people hoarding the borders probably didnt go to such colleges and they dont want to be friends and on top of that majority of them were never really in suffering to begin with.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 09:26:41 pm
clash of cultures
Perhaps it's time to bring up Huntington again.


Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 10, 2016, 09:41:48 pm
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Prpavi on January 10, 2016, 10:18:33 pm
haha, that's my fault for having a portuguese girlfriend. And the question was about race first. Seems like most people define race over skincolor and nothing else. Whatever, I don't care.

No, it's about you using the fact you have a portugese gf as proof you are open minded and not racist, if you thing that a german male dating a caucasian girl from the same continent only a differnet country is some sort of an incredible achievement in diversity and multicultalism and gives you some credibility you indeed are a bigot racist or incedibly thick, your pick.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 10:40:46 pm
No, it's about you using the fact you have a portugese gf as proof you are open minded and not racist, if you thing that a german male dating a caucasian girl from the same continent only a differnet country is some sort of an incredible achievement in diversity and multicultalism and gives you some credibility you indeed are a bigot racist or incedibly thick, your pick.

Well tbh, the german link Molly shared was kinda retarded aswell. I dunno if the translator was accurate but it said something like  "to be civilized, means meeting 9 asshole black haired guys and not instantly judging the 10th". Which is a pretty fcking retarded thing to say. Its like if you get bit by 9 wolves in the forest and still giving the 10th one a shot at being your best friend. I never knew "being civilized" ment totally butchering your own sense of security and some fucking common sense, for the sake of friendship and fairness towards all.

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If I meet a person who is frightened of me because he has been mugged by every Eastern-European, he has ever met, I would totally understand him being cautious of me. Its only human, its common sense.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 10, 2016, 10:45:37 pm
Well tbh, the german link Molly shared was kinda retarded aswell. I dunno if the translator was accurate but it said something like  "to be civilized, means meeting 9 asshole black haired guys and not instantly judging the 10th". Which is a pretty fcking retarded thing to say. Its like if you get bit by 9 wolves in the forest and still giving the 10th one a shot at being your best friend. I never knew "being civilized" ment totally butchering your own sense of security and some fucking common sense, for the sake of friendship and fairness towards all.

Wolves are a species, a race. Ok biologically that is not exactly correct, but you still get what the difference is to the colour of hair.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: [ptx] on January 10, 2016, 10:47:28 pm
Well tbh, the german link Molly shared was kinda retarded aswell. I dunno if the translator was accurate but it said something like  "to be civilized, means meeting 9 asshole black haired guys and not instantly judging the 10th". Which is a pretty fcking retarded thing to say. Its like if you get bit by 9 wolves in the forest and still giving the 10th one a shot at being your best friend. I never knew "being civilized" ment totally butchering your own sense of security and some fucking common sense, for the sake of friendship and fairness towards all.

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Are you implying that wolves are aggressive and hostile?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tibe on January 10, 2016, 10:48:27 pm
No.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Moncho on January 10, 2016, 10:49:33 pm
Hey hey, wolves are also alive and deserve their rights, why let them outside in the cold and the rain when we can invite them into the barn with our sheep? We must open wide the doors.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Falka on January 10, 2016, 10:57:36 pm
Does this forum keep getting more retarded with every new thread or is it just me?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Angantyr on January 10, 2016, 10:59:51 pm
Can't speak for the source, but judge for yourselves. Makes me sick.

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 10, 2016, 11:00:57 pm
Hey hey, wolves are also alive and deserve their rights, why let them outside in the cold and the rain when we can invite them into the barn with our sheep? We must open wide the doors.

We should stick together when the conflict starts. Being non white and all that jazz. Unless you Spaniards have modern version of General Franco hidden somewhere, in case of emergency.

Molly will be the first to die, hanged in front of his house like a true traitor. Paul will keep quiet and work for neonazi regime until the very end when he will be transfered to China as new director of Chinese Space Program.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 10, 2016, 11:01:16 pm
Well, a racist would, by the definition of the word, never be in a relationship with someone from another race.

haha, just read this. so fucked up :lol:

So tell me, which race is it your girlfriend belongs to?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Kafein on January 10, 2016, 11:30:48 pm
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This part is easily the one that made me laugh the most out of this whole thread:

You don't get it, apparently. You wouldn't know someone is a Norwegian, but if you said they were white the Reasonable Man would understand what you mean. A Norwegian and a German look virtually the same. Brits sometimes have a "British" look, but they can still pass for French, German, Swedish, etc, a lot of the time.

Meanwhile, a lot of Spanish people could be mistaken for Arabs by the uninitiated, while no one would mistake a genetic German for an Arab. It's a really obvious difference if you don't have an agenda. They look different from what is generally understood as stereotypically white, and they stand out -- meanwhile, most Europeans could be mistaken to live in most European countries, because they look stereotypically white. A Spanish person walks down the street in Finland, he stands out as not-a-Finn. A German walks down the street, no one knows until he opens his mouth. I'm belaboring the point, but I just don't understand what's so hard about it.

I mean honestly, how can Xant be so wrong and write like he believes it?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Admerius on January 10, 2016, 11:50:40 pm
Can't speak for the source, but judge for yourselves. Makes me sick.

I spoiler mark the 18+ semi NSFW video
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Tahrir square, Cairo, Egypt
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It doesn't make it "better" or "worse" IMO, just more factual.

P.S. Things like this makes me feel prejudiced judgmental hate-filled murderous blood-lust in my fucking bones!

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 11, 2016, 12:07:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjEi7AJveXY

Gj guys, focused on the real important things.  How not racist one is if they date a medditterrenean type and an attempt at human taxonomy or something. Although response of the usual suspects is completely predictable, relieved they can finally go back to calling someone a racist, their favorite thing in the world. Don't worry guys, people very high up completely agree with you, this is just as fucked up as what happened on new years. When I look at that video I feel the exact same thing as when someone says something I dissaprove of on a forum.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35248601

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Minister Ralf Jaeger said that while the attacks were bad, Germans must not allow right-wing anti-immigrant forces to gain legitimacy.

“What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chatrooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women,”

Posting wrongthink on the internets is just as bad as what is happening in that video. Every time you send a nono thought out on the interwebs, it is the equivalent of a woman/underage girl getting gang rapped, or worse. At least germans managed to work out their frustrations by doing to Pegida protesters what they didn't manage to do on New Year's, not only in Koln but in a bunch of other cities as well. Brought out the riot gear to fight this evil right-wing scourge destroying the fabric of their society.

Seen some really hilarious pieces, my favorite angle, one that seems quite popular among the usual islamophilic "feminists", is that this is merely a symptom of the rape culture inherent in our western consumerist patriarchy. "Europeans rape too you know!", more or less, or even the bold "Europeans are even worse!". A nice smorgasboard of these idea can be seen in one of the latest The Young Turks videos, where they fall over themselves and discuss a variety of clearly related topics, such as pedophilia in the catholic church, the rape "epidemic" in american campuses, the rapes commited by german natives, really anything at all to justify that this event was not unprecedented, that it was actually completely normal and fit in perfectly with our culture, that if anything is even worse. But it CERTAINLY, 100% has absolutely nothing to do with muslim culture, and you would be a biggot for thinking that. Bunch of armenian genocide denying cunts, and these assholes pretend to be progressive "liberals"? Fucking joke. 
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 12:10:30 am
The thing is,  that there may be no question about how wrong us germans handled ourselves in the migrant matter during the last months.

It was not in our right to put the safety of all the citizens wronged below our willingness to help people in need,  only can one help from a position that does not cost the rights of others.

That being said it is our duty to help wherever we can.

so I guess I can just hope for our whole system to get the sand out of its vagina and grow the fuck up.

and please put any rapists into cells with huge gay sexhungry dudes.

If anything like this would happen near me:
I would not consider my own safety, just like an ant, when trying to murder these fuckers, then destroy their bodies.
If I survived, my only regret would be that I didn't make him/them suffer longer!

well said
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 11, 2016, 12:18:23 am
That being said it is our duty to help wherever we can.

Is it? Can you show me where in your constitution it says that, exactly? I was under the impression german political mandate extended to it's own borders and people (and if you're particularly anti-EU, to the rest of the European Union). I had no idea Germany had suddenly become the ruler of the entire planet. I must've missed WW3, wow germs really upped their time on the blitzkrieg, new record. Tell me, this "duty", is it something germans signed up for? Does anyone get a say in it, or is it some sort of unspoken burden, a silent aquiescence to it the only option?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 12:24:07 am
Is it? Can you show me where in your constitution it says that, exactly? I was under the impression german political mandate extended to it's own borders and people (and if you're particularly anti-EU, to the rest of the European Union). I had no idea Germany had suddenly become the ruler of the entire planet. I must've missed WW3, wow germs really upped their time on the blitzkrieg, new record. Tell me, this "duty", is it something germans signed up for? Does anyone get a say in it, or is it some sort of unspoken burden, a silent aquiescence to it the only option?

Its Kant,  mate.  And its everyones duty as a human being to help,  I humbly do not request this honor for the people of my country alone : )
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Miwiw on January 11, 2016, 12:26:14 am
And its everyones duty as a human being to help,  I humbly do not request this honor for the people of my country alone : )

You better dont request it for all of our people. You can request it for yourself though, but then you need to pay yourself for it as well.

I'd gladly take part in a poll if we were supporting the refugee thing and pay higher taxes for that. I'd obviously vote no. What would you vote?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 11, 2016, 12:27:55 am
Oh yeah, don't worry mate, I'm sure the entire geopolitical system and any semblance of group identity will come tumbling down any day now. No more divisions and conflict, just butterflies and puppies and rainbows spontaneously appearing from nowhere. Request some more, maybe that'll work.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 12:35:13 am
shit, oberyn.  calm down,  get a hold of your self (slap!)

Miwi,  what can I say.  The world sucks and everyone that can should try to help make it a better place.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Oberyn on January 11, 2016, 12:47:39 am
I think you may work out too much. The endorphins are so high you could probably take a punch to the face and come out smiling and thanking whoever slugged you. It's the only explanation.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 12:52:14 am
maybe I should cut down on my evenings dose of mdma's, ya
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Leshma on January 11, 2016, 01:22:27 am
Torben, you're dentist aren't you? Will removing amalgam help my mental state?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 04:48:38 am
This part is easily the one that made me laugh the most out of this whole thread:

I mean honestly, how can Xant be so wrong and write like he believes it?
Except I'm factually right, genetics are unfortunately on my side. The Spanish and Portuguese have vastly more African and Arab genes than the rest of Europe (7-20 times more at least). As a result they look different and no one is going to mistake them for a German. Only retards with an agenda would call them white, because it serves no purpose otherwise. Where is the "white" cut off? It's not enough that you don't look white and have mixed African and Arab heritage? In what context do you call someone white, and why? Reasonable people call someone "white" or "black" because they don't have a more accurate term, seeing as you can't place them in any specific country or area... while calling Spanish "white" is just misleading and confusing, and calling them something else would not only be more accurate but have more information density.

Calling them white is ridiculous. They're as white as Iranians.


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Calling them white is ridiculous, you say... Okay I guess :rolleyes:
Thanks for making my point, if you think those people are white you're delusional.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on January 11, 2016, 05:27:07 am
They look white to me.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 05:57:51 am
Yup, Obama is white too.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on January 11, 2016, 06:03:44 am
Yup, Obama is white too.

Well I guess if you were discussing the source of his genetic material I'd say yeah he does possess "white" characteristics (as well as "black" ones).
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 07:06:11 am
Torben, you're dentist aren't you? Will removing amalgam help my mental state?

amalgam is pretty great and the fuss about it is actually a conspiracy of alien illuminati chiropractics,  the dentists secret enemy.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 07:07:03 am
Well I guess if you were discussing the source of his genetic material I'd say yeah he does possess "white" characteristics (as well as "black" ones).
Quite so, quite so, that's why no one says he's the first black president of the US, and why he's referred to as "white" as much as "black." Mulattos are commonly known as white, it is known. And "Hispanic" only refers to the country of origin, as well, of course, it makes perfect sense -- when crime statistics list "black", "white" and "hispanic" it's just the country of origin, just like white people come from the White Country and black people come from the Black Country. I mean, that's got to be it, right? Otherwise it'd be like "apples", "oranges" and "race cars."

Mexicans and other latinos, and the Spanish, have an obsession about being white. Not unique to them, of course, Filipinos etc also think the whiter you are the better, even discriminating within their own "race" against people with minutely darker skin (aforementioned Mexicans also do this), and the Spanish think Mexicans aren't white because there's some Native American mixed in there, but their own Arab and North African genes don't stop them from being white, of course. It's hilarious because they're the ones attaching some superior value to white(r) skin, not most white people.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Umbra on January 11, 2016, 07:19:42 am
Xant are slavs white? :oops:  :oops:
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 11, 2016, 07:47:48 am
You get a pass if you can't squat (https://bretcontreras.com/transcribed-interview-with-stu-mcgill/).

Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 08:33:47 am
fuck the tahir squar rape vid is haunting me all morning,  I feel like constantly throwing up.  fuck every excuse someone could find for the culprits, no sane person would ever do such a thing to another being.

anyone know if cruelty is an inherent character trait or acquired?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 08:44:54 am
Xant are slavs white? :oops:  :oops:
Yes, though they tend to have a distinct look as well so it makes more sense to speak of them as "slavs" than "white."
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: [ptx] on January 11, 2016, 08:45:34 am
Are Finns white?
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Umbra on January 11, 2016, 08:47:28 am
Fins are not white, they are dity mongolains along with hungary.   :oops:

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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 08:51:02 am
Are Finns white?
Yup, as white as they come.
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Post by: Prpavi on January 11, 2016, 08:53:38 am
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Post by: Umbra on January 11, 2016, 08:56:42 am
Xant?
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Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: [ptx] on January 11, 2016, 09:00:13 am
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According to this it makes more sense to speak of them as Uralic people. If you identify white people as ones that look Germanic, I'm pretty sure these people have a distinctive and different look.
Title: Re: "Cologne sex attacks"
Post by: Paul on January 11, 2016, 09:03:28 am
Guess who has "Khanty" roots.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 09:08:49 am
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According to this it makes more sense to speak of them as Uralic people. If you identify white people as ones that look Germanic, I'm pretty sure these people have a distinctive and different look.
wat. That shows the distribution of uralic languages. I see where you took it from, and I commend your attempt at deception by ignoring the "genetics" part above it and instead taking a picture about languages out of context.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2013/11/10/1384107037260/Kimi-Raikkonen-014.jpg
http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/B29unDaw37J3Q9uTQnWPvA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztpbD1wbGFuZTtxPTc1O3c9NjAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/person/Ysports/saku-koivu-hockey-headshot-photo.jpg
http://is11.snstatic.fi/img/978/1288745441124.jpg
http://cdn-5.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/200000/230000/231000/231500/231555/s1_1.jpg

Some famous Finns, any of them could be German or Swiss or from any Nordic country.
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Post by: Prpavi on January 11, 2016, 09:09:11 am
Xant

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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 09:13:37 am
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Post by: [ptx] on January 11, 2016, 09:40:13 am
Anecdotal evidence best evidence.

As for the genetics part:
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A recent study has found that haplogroup NO of the Finno-Ugric peoples and their descendants probably spread north, then west and east from Northern China about 12,000–14,000 years ago from its father lineage and today is found in Eastern Europe.[20] The Department of Forensic Medicine at the University of Helsinki showed that most of the Finno-Ugric speaking populations possess an amalgamation of West and East Eurasian gene pools, supporting the idea of mixed origins in these modern populations.[14]

R1a1a7-M458

R1a1a7-M458 frequency peaks among Slavic and Finno-Ugric peoples.[21]
So, uh, people with origins in Northern China and some common genetics with Slavic people?

Yes, Xant, I can totally see that German in you :lol:

Incidentally, why do you place such importance on being Germanic?
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 09:55:51 am
Anecdotal evidence best evidence.

As for the genetics part:So, uh, people with origins in Northern China and some common genetics with Slavic people?
That's not an article about Finns, it's an article about Finno-Ugric people. You should do some reading on how genetics work, your understanding of the subject is as awful as your understanding of AI -- although you claim to have read about AI, so maybe it's not that you haven't read, it's that you don't understand what you read. Here's a pro tip: no one sprouts up from the ground and then remains 100% pure. Everyone has distant relatives from some other race.

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Yes, Xant, I can totally see that German in you :lol:
Yep.
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A lot of Finns have a very Germanic look.

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Incidentally, why do you place such importance on being Germanic?
Gee, I wonder why.
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Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 10:04:17 am
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Post by: Umbra on January 11, 2016, 10:20:24 am
You cant fool us godamn mongorian. Stop destroying Chinese shitty warr
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 10:20:46 am
Mongolian is the best race in the world.
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Post by: BASNAK on January 11, 2016, 10:40:25 am
A lot of Finns have a very Germanic look.

Thats thanks to the Swedes. Ya'll are mongorian

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Post by: Oberyn on January 11, 2016, 11:44:33 am
fuck the tahir squar rape vid is haunting me all morning,  I feel like constantly throwing up.  fuck every excuse someone could find for the culprits, no sane person would ever do such a thing to another being.

anyone know if cruelty is an inherent character trait or acquired?

Both. Like practically any other human characteristic it is a mix of biological impulse and socially constructed systems that feedback loop into each other. You have to keep in mind that this was a western whore, uncovered and practically asking for it. Women are obviousy lesser than men in every way, as taught from a young age, and that's if they accept their subvervient role. But these decadent, western whores with no morality? Who flout the wisdom of the ancients and the best example of humanity that ever existed, shit be upon his name, who was instructed in the only proper way to live by divine will itself? They are an insult to every collectivist ideal they believe in. I'm sure their "racism" is somehow completely understandable and consistent, though. It's not really "racism" because they have no instutional power, because colonialism and imperialism you see. So muslim perceptions of western tolerance as nothing but weakness and decadence will never lead to any problems, it's not like they have any power at all. Sure, they can kill you and rape you and physically hurt you, but ultimately your entire culture is viciously "racist" towards them so shut the fuck up and don't mention it.

But I've been informed by Heskey types that clearly the real problem is how lenient laws are in the west. If only we were as advanced as muslim societies, this would never happen. A beheading a day keeps the rapists away. I think a lot of the muslims perpetrating these attacks see it the same way. Hey, it's the decadent west, this is completely normal for here! This is what happens when you turn away from proper moral teachings and base your societies on secular delusions. Men are literally forced to turn into rapist animals without the proper moral guidance.
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Post by: [ptx] on January 11, 2016, 11:59:37 am
Many words
They're just labels, Xant, don't you see?
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Post by: Admerius on January 11, 2016, 12:09:44 pm
I haven't seen anyone here talking about racism, it sounds more like a "skin-color/appearance discrimination thing" that's used here.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism)

1. Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

This point of view is just wrong before any specific example needs to be taken in to account.
It doesn't specify what superior means and therefore any race could be "the superior one" based on what the observer values as superior. It is still very useful for trolling, non-PC humor etc.

1.1 The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

"White people has higher risk of skin cancer if exposed to the same amount of intense equatorial sun light as a black person, therefore Blacks are superior!"

"Black people need more sun light than white people, when they are near the polar-circles, to reach the recommended positive effects of exposure to sun light, therefore Whites are superior!"

I'm a proud 1.1 racist, that acknowledge the differences and recognize that these differences provides varying degrees of benefits(superiority) and disadvantages(inferiority) under specific situations.

The main problem with judging these qualities by "race" is that the external senses used to label someone as a certain race is not 100% correct(it could be if we were all pure-bloods).

Fact based racism(everyday stereotypical thinking) is better at describing reality than "we're all human" to a LIMITED EXTENT.
The most important thing is to accept facts/reality, when a (racist-)stereotype label gets disproved then discard it for that person instantly, and reevaluate if it's still applicable as a generalization towards all those individuals that would be generalized by it.

Regarding the cologne attacks:
When a a woman walks down the street alone one late night...

Statistically speaking: how many men does she need to pass to meet her first rapist if she only encounters men that LOOK like this?
1. German
2. Non-German(Arab excluded.)
3. Arab

If there is a correlation between appearance, that can be generalized accurately(50%+ of the times), then it is a helpful fact to consider when trying to minimize risk of encountering a rapist.

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Post by: Falka on January 11, 2016, 12:43:39 pm
They're just labels, Xant, don't you see?

Cause he's a lazy fucker! :P Xant, You know what this is? You even know what that is? You don't, You know why? Because you can't see this thing if you don't have to label it. You mistake all those little noises in your head for true knowledge.

PS. That was a hell of a movie  :wink:
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 12:49:46 pm
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Post by: Beauchamp on January 11, 2016, 12:52:08 pm
i heard that koln major suggested that german women should keep 1 full arm distance from immigrants, i don't understand why right side activists don't like it, in germany it makes a perfect sense to me.

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Post by: Leshma on January 11, 2016, 01:13:57 pm
http://cdn-5.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/200000/230000/231000/231500/231555/s1_1.jpg

Some famous Finns, any of them could be German or Swiss or from any Nordic country.

Never noticed that Mika Hakkinen has "asian" eyes up until now. Thanks Xant. He also has all the features of average Mongolian, only difference is his skin tone and blond hair. But facial features are spot on.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 01:18:10 pm
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Spanish people are so white... except Moroccans look whiter  :?
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Post by: Leshma on January 11, 2016, 01:23:11 pm
Down there in Spain they have a thing called the Sun. I know it's foreign concept to you, so you're excused.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 01:25:14 pm
They don't let the sun in Morocco?
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Post by: Paul on January 11, 2016, 01:50:21 pm
Fools, Khand forgot more about Rassenlehre than any of you will ever dare to know.
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Post by: darmaster on January 11, 2016, 02:11:45 pm
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White


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Black
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Post by: Prpavi on January 11, 2016, 02:31:18 pm
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Spanish people are so white... except Moroccans look whiter  :?

They are white, fins are transparent
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Post by: Thomek on January 11, 2016, 02:43:06 pm
This is a blog with pictures of Finnish politicians from the right wing party "True Finns".

This is Finnish white people:

http://per-looks.tumblr.com/ (http://per-looks.tumblr.com/)

Guess who is Xant?

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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 02:47:02 pm
Fools, Khand forgot more about Rassenlehre than any of you will ever dare to know.
Paul-san, if I offended you with my talk of race, I apologize. I am a fool.

This is a blog with pictures of Finnish politicians from the right wing party "True Finns".

This is Finnish white people:

http://per-looks.tumblr.com/ (http://per-looks.tumblr.com/)

Guess who is Xant?

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That's a diseased looking lot. And in such high resolution, have they no mercy?

No, seriously, what is that site? Is it propaganda against True Finns or is it a site maintained by them? What the fuck.

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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 11, 2016, 03:10:20 pm
have they no mercy?

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Post by: [ptx] on January 11, 2016, 03:12:48 pm
That has convinced me. I apologize, Xant, clearly Finns have earned the status of Honorary Aryans(almost sounds like Honorary Asians, if you butcher the pronunciation).
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Post by: Rico on January 11, 2016, 03:47:47 pm
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those eyebrows
scarier than monobrow
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Post by: AntiBlitz on January 11, 2016, 03:49:06 pm
Only the finest Finns in the country grace such a site, Truly supreme beings.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 03:52:18 pm
That has convinced me. I apologize, Xant, clearly Finns have earned the status of Honorary Aryans(almost sounds like Honorary Asians, if you butcher the pronunciation).
u wot m8
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Post by: Leshma on January 11, 2016, 03:58:10 pm
Maybe they couldn't find anyone willing and attractive with pale eyes (blue, green etc)? There probably are some people fitting that description (young, attractive, white complexity, pale eyes) but they don't want to have anything to do with their party. Those pictured proudly accepted to be on True Finn page, because it helps them to battle with their personal issues (mostly inferiority complex).
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 04:13:14 pm
Maybe they couldn't find anyone willing and attractive with pale eyes (blue, green etc)? There probably are some people fitting that description (young, attractive, white complexity, pale eyes) but they don't want to have anything to do with their party. Those pictured proudly accepted to be on True Finn page, because it helps them to battle with their personal issues (mostly inferiority complex).
It's not that surprising, True Finns is a "redneck" party that attracts uneducated trash. They got a lot of votes because they are/were the only anti-immigration party, only downside being that they're anti-immigration only because not liking foreigners is part of their redneck shtick, along with not reading books and saying retarded things while drunk.
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Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 04:18:10 pm
That's a diseased looking lot. And in such high resolution, have they no mercy?

indeed
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Post by: Miwiw on January 11, 2016, 04:30:58 pm
this guy

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Is he white? Xant, please enlighten us.
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Post by: Christo on January 11, 2016, 04:33:45 pm
wtf is happening
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 05:10:00 pm
this guy

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Is he white? Xant, please enlighten us.
No. He is pink.
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Post by: darmaster on January 11, 2016, 05:11:21 pm
This is a blog with pictures of Finnish politicians from the right wing party "True Finns".

This is Finnish white people:

http://per-looks.tumblr.com/ (http://per-looks.tumblr.com/)


Wtf hahaha
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Post by: Angantyr on January 11, 2016, 05:17:43 pm
fuck the tahir squar rape vid is haunting me all morning,  I feel like constantly throwing up.  fuck every excuse someone could find for the culprits, no sane person would ever do such a thing to another being.
I've felt the same way, from both videos. Following your post yesterday I actually came here to ask if you still thought of Kant after looking at those. Right now I'm thinking a lot more about Nietzsche's morality than Kantian ethics.
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Post by: Moncho on January 11, 2016, 05:26:54 pm
How about Sweden?
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6342236
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 05:28:30 pm
How about Sweden?
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6342236
How is that even news? Sweden's been covering shit up for decades, to the point of photoshopping suspects white.
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Post by: Angantyr on January 11, 2016, 05:40:54 pm
What case is that, with the photoshopping?
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 05:51:08 pm
What case is that, with the photoshopping?
http://www.islamversuseurope.blogspot.pt/2012/03/phenomenon-swedish-pixelation.html
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1031387_Sweden_photoshops_Arab_criminals_into_white_ones.html
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Post by: Kafein on January 11, 2016, 06:23:15 pm
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Would buy meth/10

I've felt the same way, from both videos. Following your post yesterday I actually came here to ask if you still thought of Kant after looking at those. Right now I'm thinking a lot more about Nietzsche's morality than Kantian ethics.

Of course Kant only applies to human beings, and you have the power to redefine that term.
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Post by: Prpavi on January 11, 2016, 07:29:10 pm
Master race

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Post by: Torben on January 11, 2016, 07:40:34 pm
I've felt the same way, from both videos. Following your post yesterday I actually came here to ask if you still thought of Kant after looking at those. Right now I'm thinking a lot more about Nietzsche's morality than Kantian ethics.

mate,  I am a nietzsche fanboy,  as my sig suggests.  havent read him in years though so I cant in good conscience answer that.  but thanks for throwing it in,  the short skim I took already baffled me considering its relevance to the topic.
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Post by: Christo on January 11, 2016, 07:48:38 pm
okay, so, these finnish rednecks, what do they boast and brag about? 
is it a simo hayha circlejerk against the russians, or what? "muh wintur war"
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Post by: Tibe on January 11, 2016, 07:52:28 pm
Master race

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Atleast he isnt a potential rapist. Only person this guy could be harmful to, is himself. :lol:
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 07:56:16 pm
Atleast he isnt a potential rapist. Only person this guy could be harmful to, is himself. :lol:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-atleast-and-at-least
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Post by: darmaster on January 11, 2016, 08:01:33 pm
could be easily a typo, unlike "your shit"
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 11, 2016, 08:04:46 pm
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-atleast-and-at-least

Atleast if its said enough, it might be added to the dictionary. Kinda like literally now also means figuratively.
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Post by: Tibe on January 11, 2016, 08:05:45 pm
No it's not a typo, I seriuslly dont know how to write.  :D
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2016, 08:08:52 pm
There are two kinds of people in this world, those who think "peak" means "peek" and those who aren't gay.

Bonus:

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Post by: LordBerenger on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 pm
No it's not a typo, I seriuslly dont know how to write.  :D

Potato school system. Another nation for Putin to reclaim and make great.