More Penetration, and how to add it. [Solution Inside]

[//saxon]

Changing the weapon length server side, but keeping the Mesh at its current length. Pretty simple but genius solution

But would that not cause minor problems such as hit detection for melee? Since the length will still be the same looks wise, but when swinging you would not clip with half of the spear since the server side length is actually shorter.
Or am I just being stupid here?

well i can see why you think that but a throwing weapon that can also be used as melee, they have two separate lines in the module file, one for the throwing mode and one for the melee mode, all we need to do is change the throwing mode line but leave the melee one the same, talking about the length stat in the script that is.


and thanks for your help matt2507 il read into it, appreciate it!

[Krex]

and thanks for your help matt2507 il read into it, appreciate it!

You should also take a look at the OSP section,there is tons of stuff(items,features)that you can add to your module just to experiment around a little.

[//saxon]

If you are too lazzy to, there is my item_kind.txt modified for native: http://www.mediafire.com/view/7n6u4t6csocoxv9/item_kinds1.txt

what lines have changed compared to the vanilla native file? can you specify?

also i downloaded that module program and i have 2 folders, do i need to extract them to a certain location to open the Module_items.py?

[matt2507]

what lines have changed compared to the vanilla native file? can you specify?

also i downloaded that module program and i have 2 folders, do i need to extract them to a certain location to open the Module_items.py?

I changed all arrows and long throwing stuff.


For the module, you just need the "Module_system 1.xxx" folder, extract it and you get all pyton files.
If you want to compile it (for getting the item_kind.txt" as exemple) you must specifie a path in "module_info.py" like that:

# Point export_dir to the folder you will be keeping your module
# Make sure you use forward slashes (/) and NOT backward slashes (\)

export_dir = "D:/Native_test/"

After that, just launch "build_module.bat" in the folder. You must have pyton instaled for compiling.
If that don't work with pyton instaled, just put "python.exe" in the folder with the "build_module.bat"

All .py file are text file, edit it with notepad++
Your module folder should look like that:
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[//saxon]

I changed all arrows and long throwing stuff.


For the module, you just need the "Module_system 1.xxx" folder, extract it and you get all pyton files.
If you want to compile it (for getting the item_kind.txt" as exemple) you must specifie a path in "module_info.py" like that:
After that, just launch "build_module.bat" in the folder. You must have pyton instaled for compiling.
If that don't work with pyton instaled, just put "python.exe" in the folder with the "build_module.bat"

All .py file are text file, edit it with notepad++

ok i did that and it works and it came up with exporting all the files in the module i presume, so can i just edit the weapon lengths now and it will work?

[matt2507]

ok i did that and it works and it came up with exporting all the files in the module i presume, so can i just edit the weapon lengths now and it will work?

Yep, just edit the weapon lenght value.

Don't forget to specify the exporting folder. Sometimes i miss it and it's realy boring, thrust me 
Normaly, the default path is "C:/Program Files/Mount&Blade/Modules/Native/".

For ranged projectiles you must edit lines 265 to 270 and 1093 to 1111

I tried it and it's realy cool to see an arrow pass trough the head off an ennemy, i realy hope some devs read that post.

[matt2507]

Changing the weapon length server side, but keeping the Mesh at its current length. Pretty simple but genius solution

But would that not cause minor problems such as hit detection for melee? Since the length will still be the same looks wise, but when swinging you would not clip with half of the spear since the server side length is actually shorter.
Or am I just being stupid here?

I didn't see any trouble when i test it. projectiles are fast so that doesn't make a difference.

And for melee, like saxon said, there is two lines, it's like you have to different weapons so there is no problem.
See that pic:

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You got two lines, the first for primary mode and the second with "_melee" at the end for the secondary mode.

[//saxon]

well it worked and ive successfully done it, its actually very quick and easy and it would only take the developers a few mins to do this, and then patch the game.

thanks for your help matt you're a very kind gentleman and you have solved my troubles on this case  !

[Dark_Blade]

your font is so nerdic lol

[Macropus]

The only problem that I see with this method - does it make projectiles penetrate solid objects like walls etc as well?

[Sniger]

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i wish i knew, good idea. perhaps not completely impale  but yeah, more penetration animation/gfx wise would be cool. the way its animated/look now is odd, not realistic... physics! btw penetrating a fucking horse? like all the way through? i think you have seen too many movies mate 

[matt2507]

The only problem that I see with this method - does it make projectiles penetrate solid objects like walls etc as well?

No.

i wish i knew, good idea. perhaps not completely impale  but yeah, more penetration animation/gfx wise would be cool. the way its animated/look now is odd, not realistic... physics! btw penetrating a fucking horse? like all the way through? i think you have seen too many movies mate 

You can make it to penetrate like 25% or less/more.

[BlueKnight]

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haha I believe only the pr0s use black taskbars alligned to the left ^^. I have mine very similar but a bit less adjusted.

EDIT: Also good job helping fellow cRPG player! That's a positive spirit!

[matt2507]

haha I believe only the pr0s use black taskbars alligned to the left ^^. I have mine very similar but a bit less adjusted.

EDIT: Also good job helping fellow cRPG player! That's a positive spirit!

It's juste more convenient for double screen and also because that's look cool

[//saxon]

yes you can adjust the "impale depth" by decreasing/increase the missile weapon length in the item_kinds file.

so if you think its going to deep just increase the length of the projectile and it will come more out of the model it hits, decrease the length and it will go deeper into the model.

what makes this illusion look realistic is the actual mesh/texture and model size stays the same but the game think the weapon is smaller so it hits things after the actual end of the model hit the object, if that makes any sense at all.