Author Topic: You guys do know that what we have as the "Chichak" hemets are from 17c. right?  (Read 10268 times)

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Sigh. No Greek/Roman items.

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oo why?

We could "retrofit" them to suit the medieval style, a bit of chainmail here and here.. and that's it.
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Then I want Wehrmacht Uniforms and Stormtrooper suits...

Because:

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Well, Bonze you can always dress to the map, so you can camo somewhat.

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Sigh. No Greek/Roman items.

Why not?! You add Turk 16-17th century items, why not Greek/Roman items?
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If someone makes good models that are medieval armors with obvious greek and roman influences they might reconsider.

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He didn't even bother to google "Chichak" before claiming it's something else.

http://i.imgur.com/VzSNI.png


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http://i.imgur.com/VzSNI.png
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http://i.imgur.com/VzSNI.png

It's really called a capeline helmet, which were commonly used by the hussars,



"..being derived from the Ottoman Turkish "chichak" helmet.  It was adopted by the Christian states of Europe in the early 17th century.."

Do you realize what you just posted?

Edit: Or was that just you admitting you were wrong? In which case, ok.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2011, 08:42:46 pm by Xant »
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no

Do you actually read the links you post?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capeline

This is the turkish Chichak:
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Yes I did actually read the small one page article I posted. I"m curious though, did you actually bother to read what I posted? I never said it was of European Origin, obviously it was adopted by Europeans, in the 17th century. I argued that it's from the era of gunpowder. Are you going to disagree with that? If you can provide a credible source that says the turks were using them in the medieval period then your criticism might actually hold some water.

The Capeline (Chichak) helms didn't exist in the medieval period, which is when this game is supposedly set. That's my argument. If you have credible evidence that contradicts my criticism, then by all means, share it with the rest of the group. If you don't, please refrain from being childish.

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Yes I did actually read the small one page article I posted. I"m curious though, did you actually bother to read what I posted? I never said it was of European Origin, obviously it was adopted by Europeans, in the 17th century. I argued that it's from the era of gunpowder. Are you going to disagree with that? If you can provide a credible source that says the turks were using them in the medieval period then your criticism might actually hold some water.

The Capeline (Chichak) helms didn't exist in the medieval period, which is when this game is supposedly set. That's my argument. If you have credible evidence that contradicts my criticism, then by all means, share it with the rest of the group. If you don't, please refrain from being childish.

You said it's really called a "capeline helmet." It's not, it's "really" called a Chichak, and it wasn't used by the Hussars. Only the capline, which was derived from the Chichak was used by the Hussars.
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HAHAAAA!

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Remind me if i am wrong but this is caldeira not earth. Historical accuracy is lovely and all that, in historical games. but this is a fantasy game. Be thankful chadz doesn't implement Yu-Gi-Oh hairstyles and cloud's buster sword to appeal to a wider audience.

Its not fantasy. Rather a historical fiction.
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Sigh. No Greek/Roman items.

Got a reason or is it just personal bias? You obviously can't stand on the "it's not from the historical period" argument...
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