Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Kalam on September 30, 2015, 11:27:54 pm
Title: Taxes
Post by: Kalam on September 30, 2015, 11:27:54 pm
Nothing is certain except death...hrm...actually...yeah, that's it. Taxes are less certain than death.
A thread for all your tax talk.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: pogosan on September 30, 2015, 11:30:59 pm
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Kalam on September 30, 2015, 11:53:06 pm
Yes. Become a hobo today!
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Moncho on September 30, 2015, 11:53:48 pm
Don't hobos have to pay some tax for the spot in which they try to stay at night?
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Bob_Ross on October 01, 2015, 12:19:50 am
Sit down my friends and just relax, It's time to pay your income tax. For whether we are great or small, They tax us one, they tax us all.
They tax the hobo and the queen, They tax the bull and tax his ring. They tax the gas that runs your car And even tax the big cigar.
They tax your whiskey and home brew, They tax the Bible and your pew. They tax the wristwatch on your arm And tax the rat trap on your farm.
They tax the baby in his crib, and Tax his shirt and tax his bib. They tax the crib that he sleeps in, And don't consider that a sin.
Then they go from bad to worse And tax the doctor and tax the nurse. They tax the dentist and his drill And he just adds it to your bill.
Whenever you leave this world behind They will be there to steal you blind. Before you reach the Golden Gate They'll slap a tax on your estate.
They tax the hearse on your last ride, And shed some tears because you died. The reason for their deep distress? You left them with no address.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 01, 2015, 12:39:48 am
K, i will share my tax views:
Paying 42% here. I would not mind paying even more, as long as i know that the money is being used properly ( that being said, i would not want to pay any taxes at all in a country with blooming corruption/bribes, instability, dissent )
I support pensions/elderly needs, I support any youth programs that create opportunities for the teenagers to pursue "healthy" peaceful goals ( sport, music, art, education, etc. ), I support free top quality medical care, free education, and highly trained/paid law enforcement forces.
What I don't want to use any money on is foreign help/aid, support of social parasites ( all of them healthy "misfits" - whatever their reasons are for not working, my heart is just not compassionate enough to reach out to their "needs" ) and child support ( it's a free choice to have children, if you can't provide optimal conditions - don't make so many fckin' babies, or let the state take care of them ).
Not sure about the military expenses... It really does feel like a waste of money here in Denmark, but I guess everyone in Europe needs to chip-in, otherwise EU will get assraped.
I'm completely uninterested in politics in general, so i don't really know what party shares my views, hopefully it puts me in the middle somewhere :)
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Oberyn on October 01, 2015, 12:48:19 am
Tax Code is kind of like Law Code in the sense that they have become so byzantine and complex over the centuries the purpose of accountants and lawyers is to act as sort of translators and guides. Tbf the things they are "coding" are inherently complex and sometimes vague in the first place, so it's not like it was a deliberate thing.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: cup457 on October 01, 2015, 01:37:39 am
i dont pay taxes cuz under table work gotem also im fine paying taxes for roads and firemen and such but not foreign aid or welfare or any of that
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Leshma on October 01, 2015, 01:48:07 am
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Oberyn on October 01, 2015, 03:06:25 am
Ok, fine, predatory guardians and gatekeepers gleefully using their navigational prowess in theses systems to exploit and screw over the poor dum-dums who haven't got a clue, you happy?! Anyways, both statements are true.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Xant on October 01, 2015, 03:21:25 am
The whole concept of lawyers is retarded and proves the legal system is a clusterfuck that needs to be cleansed with napalm.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Vibe on October 01, 2015, 09:03:37 am
Paying 42% here. I would not mind paying even more, as long as i know that the money is being used properly ( that being said, i would not want to pay any taxes at all in a country with blooming corruption/bribes, instability, dissent )
I support pensions/elderly needs, I support any youth programs that create opportunities for the teenagers to pursue "healthy" peaceful goals ( sport, music, art, education, etc. ), I support free top quality medical care, free education, and highly trained/paid law enforcement forces.
What I don't want to use any money on is foreign help/aid, support of social parasites ( all of them healthy "misfits" - whatever their reasons are for not working, my heart is just not compassionate enough to reach out to their "needs" ) and child support ( it's a free choice to have children, if you can't provide optimal conditions - don't make so many fckin' babies, or let the state take care of them ).
Not sure about the military expenses... It really does feel like a waste of money here in Denmark, but I guess everyone in Europe needs to chip-in, otherwise EU will get assraped.
I'm completely uninterested in politics in general, so i don't really know what party shares my views, hopefully it puts me in the middle somewhere :)
Word, well said. Paying 41% myself. Though I have thoughts about supporting "free medical care" - once I heard that my country's hospitals are basically filled with drug addicts and alcoholics, a lot of them who are repeatedly hospitalized even after serious warnings from doctors. Why should I, or my country, pay for someone who wants to destroy his health on purpose? Why should they get treated "for free" for the second or third time they're in for their shit. That's like lending someone money so he can wipe his ass and then lending him some more. There really needs to be a system for this.
On the other hand I was kinda relieved I only had to pay like 130€ property tax. Was worried I'd have to pay (a lot) more since I own two flats.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Vovka on October 01, 2015, 11:39:15 am
Word, well said. Paying 41% myself. Though I have thoughts about supporting "free medical care" - once I heard that my country's hospitals are basically filled with drug addicts and alcoholics, a lot of them who are repeatedly hospitalized even after serious warnings from doctors. Why should I, or my country, pay for someone who wants to destroy his health on purpose? Why should they get treated "for free" for the second or third time they're in for their shit. That's like lending someone money so he can wipe his ass and then lending him some more. There really needs to be a system for this.
On the other hand I was kinda relieved I only had to pay like 130€ property tax. Was worried I'd have to pay (a lot) more since I own two flats.
Hmm... It's not easy to draw the line in that case - should we pay for smokers with their heart problems, or for the fat people? Someone who is doing extreme sports? Why should we pay for broken legs, when someone falls off a roof during a parkour session or a skateboard trip through town?
Property taxes are not that high here in comparison to other expenses, I pay a bit over 300 euro twice a year. My quarterly electricity bill in comparison is much higher.
Well those babies are one day gonna wipe your ass when u get old.
Same as with any other jobs, if there will be a demand and the job is properly paid, there will be willing to wipe my ass when I am old :) I don't expect anyone to change my diapers for free. So if all of them life-coaches and event managers would lose their jobs and start doing some real work like wiping asses, there will be enough hands for mine.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Bob_Ross on October 01, 2015, 03:38:19 pm
Word, well said. Paying 41% myself. Though I have thoughts about supporting "free medical care" - once I heard that my country's hospitals are basically filled with drug addicts and alcoholics, a lot of them who are repeatedly hospitalized even after serious warnings from doctors. Why should I, or my country, pay for someone who wants to destroy his health on purpose? Why should they get treated "for free" for the second or third time they're in for their shit. That's like lending someone money so he can wipe his ass and then lending him some more. There really needs to be a system for this.
The problem with drug addicts is that they often start doing drugs in their early teens, usually because of neglect, abuse, or simply because they had the wrong friends. By the time they're adults - and still alive - drug addicts are no longer really in control of their lives. Addiction has become the only way to live. Then there's only two options, really. Or they simply OD and die, or they get help and salvage whatever there's still left. I prefer the latter option.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Vibe on October 01, 2015, 03:40:47 pm
Then there's only two options, really. Or they simply OD and die, or they get help and salvage whatever there's still left. I prefer the latter option.
First time, sure. Second time, on your own money.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Bob_Ross on October 01, 2015, 05:01:29 pm
Tax Code is kind of like Law Code in the sense that they have become so byzantine and complex over the centuries the purpose of accountants and lawyers is to act as sort of translators and guides. Tbf the things they are "coding" are inherently complex and sometimes vague in the first place, so it's not like it was a deliberate thing.
It is deliberately obscure in very much the same self-serving way a modern philosophy publication is deliberately obscure. The complexity of the syntax merely hides the simplicity of the actual information. Although in defense of lawyers and accountants, their things *can* be genuinely complicated whereas philosophy never is. But then you have to ask why is accounting or law complicated and you'll never find a reason other than a history of base corporatism.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Xant on October 01, 2015, 11:13:42 pm
It is deliberately obscure in very much the same self-serving way a modern philosophy publication is deliberately obscure. The complexity of the syntax merely hides the simplicity of the actual information. Although in defense of lawyers and accountants, their things *can* be genuinely complicated whereas philosophy never is. But then you have to ask why is accounting or law complicated and you'll never find a reason other than a history of base corporatism.
Ah, yes, philosophy. The only field where being as abstruse as possible is considered a virtue. But then, I suppose it's a necessity, considering most of the debated topics are so silly that they'd be laughed out of the room if they weren't so dressed in terminology that no one can understand -- and, in fact, in many cases, that have no actual meaning in the first place, such as "emergent phenomena."
Of course, seeing as academia not only reinforces but rewards this kind of behavior, it's a vicious circle.
Still, I wonder how you must feel about your life when you've spent fifteen years in school learning about the mistakes of ancient philosophers only to spend your days coming up with ever more arcane ways to define everyday facts.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Kafein on October 02, 2015, 12:52:15 am
Of course, seeing as academia not only reinforces but rewards this kind of behavior, it's a vicious circle.
It only happens in areas of academia in which nothing interesting or original is ever produced. Admittedly, that's pretty much the entirety of everything not STEMM.
Still, I wonder how you must feel about your life when you've spent fifteen years in school learning about the mistakes of ancient philosophers only to spend your days coming up with ever more arcane ways to define everyday facts.
Actually today it's more about commenting on the incoherent ramblings of probably some guy in the second half of the 20th century with an amount of original thinking that can be summarized without loss of information on a single page at most. Even better yet there's also second, third and fourth order commenting on other people's "ideas", you're actually lucky if you find someone commenting directly about the "original" author.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Sir_Hans on October 02, 2015, 06:00:51 am
Forget taxes... How about those hospitals who buy a saline bag for 5$ from a supplier, and then charge a patient 550$+ for the same bag of saline, which probably costs about 25-50 cents to produce in the first place.
Mostly it's insurance companies who foot these bills, but then the insurance companies set their rates based on the cost of medical services. Or in the case of Obama Care those unfortunate to be on it, they see the cost of being under obamacare rise to three times the initial cost when they went on it a year ago.
Title: Re: Taxes
Post by: Siiem on October 02, 2015, 09:04:14 pm