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Title: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on May 20, 2015, 08:53:14 pm
So i think we all know here that the team balance between rounds is pretty destroyed at the moment.

We have a Fact and the Problem:

The fact what's happening is; for example we have two teams, the "Purple" team and the "Blue" team. Lets say the Blue team will win 1 or 2 rounds in a row. The server then puts that winning team (the Blue team) at a massive disadvantage and giving the losing team (the Purple team) a much higher chance of winning on the next round. Example of this would be, the server will have 46 players, so it puts around 70% of the server which would be 32 players on the Purple team and the rest being 14 on the Blue team. That is the fact.

Now the problem is when it does this the server doesn't balance the players or the player's "classes" out what so ever, it puts all the players that did good them 2 rounds on the team which has 32 players, in this case being the Purple team. The Blue team which has 2 rounds to Purple's 0 rounds now has 14 players what consist of low leveled Peasants that essentially didn't play well them past 2 rounds. Which are now outnumbered and out classed and have to fight hordes of archers and melee.. AND just lost 2 rounds in a row  :rolleyes: yes, saddening..

This can happen to Clans too, it can also break up clans by putting 1 member on the other team which has more players. Which makes no sense.

Is this going to be improved or fixed in the next patch?

It isn't fun to play when you're losing 2 rounds in a row and then get switched to the side that won the two rounds in a row, but you're now outnumbered 10 to 1 and you have so little chance of winning.
Which is another fact also, that you can be losing round after round and then you get switched to the side that is winning but now has no players on it and you lose again..but i'm not going to go into that..

TL;DR - Balance switches a bunch of players every round but doesn't even calculate it's own actions. Fix the balance. If it is fixed already then thanks a ton, can't wait for update  :mrgreen:.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Teeth on May 20, 2015, 09:14:35 pm
I am not sure that you have to explain why 14 versus 32 is a problem.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: matt2507 on May 20, 2015, 09:38:20 pm
http://crpg.open-sys.fr/issues/8
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on May 20, 2015, 10:23:31 pm
Quote from: Teeth on May 20, 2015, 09:14:35 pm
I am not sure that you have to explain why 14 versus 32 is a problem.
Teeth while that is a problem within it's self, the real problem is how it balances the players and the classes.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 20, 2015, 10:38:03 pm
Best part is how it couldve been okayish if the best players were all stacked on the team with less players. But thats never the case, instead one team has good players, clan stacks even, wins 2 round, gets switched to the team with massive advantage while some randomers take their spots. Suddenly you have a team with all the top scoring people and clans, and another team with 2/3 of the players, who are all just loners with average to low scores.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Lizard_man on May 20, 2015, 10:56:40 pm
Might be an issue if I was playing. Fuck this 100+ ping! :mad:
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Ikarus on May 21, 2015, 10:19:57 am
simply fixing this team balance issue would already help a lot

or a simple reset to a previous version :B wish I could help with my poor Java skills
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 21, 2015, 10:57:07 am
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on May 21, 2015, 10:29:04 am
I agree, as per the title in this thread *we* should fix this broken balance.

Saxon, start looking at the netcode, i'll pull up the revised balance formula. Gravoth can hit the 'patch' button later tonight.

Ready for action! Wait why do you care, you dont even play the game?
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Rhekimos on May 21, 2015, 11:48:27 am
Just revert to the old balance formula ASAP. Think more on the new formula later.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on May 21, 2015, 11:51:38 am
Bring back De_Dust2!

Also, yeah balance is pretty important atm.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 21, 2015, 03:59:10 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on May 21, 2015, 12:02:12 pm
Neither does chadz, CMP and co. but they gave us revival patch in October. I fit the criteria perfectly for developer if we ignore my total lack of developing/modding ability.

It's you who we should be suspicious of Mr 'I still play' -.- i'm keeping an eye on you

Secret strategy to finally quitting this mess is becoming admin/dev. Its clear to me now, i have been released.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Grumbs on May 23, 2015, 09:31:17 am
Should have been reverted back in February. There is nothing about this new system that works better than the old one and it spoiled all the hard work put into the last 2 patches

Lopsided teams could be possible, but I'm not convinced even if more time was put into it that it would work or be fun. Some players are probably worth more than 1 enemy player, but their value is counteracted by high value players on the opponents team in the old system, and teams adapt to the situation they are in, especially when you have clans fighting clans. There is no way to know the true value of a player anyway because their value depends on too many variables such as class numbers and distribution, how much effort they feel like putting in, did they decide to use crappy gear, are they trying a new role, could they exploit the map better before getting swapped, or will you ruin their flow when they swap and their value goes down, is their value based on the teams being even etc

I don't really have anything positive to say about the current balance. Its not fun, it disrupts players tactics, makes the teams less balanced to force parity between the win/loss scores, disincentives players trying to win by punishing them, rewards players that play poorly or dick around, removes consistency between the teams so you can't adapt as a team to the enemy's tactics, it broke the game

tl;dr its worse than ranged
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Finse on May 23, 2015, 04:39:40 pm
From what ive heard its being reverted in the patch upcoming in 30-31st of may
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Ikarus on May 23, 2015, 04:53:13 pm
Quote from: Finse on May 23, 2015, 04:39:40 pm
From what ive heard its being reverted in the patch upcoming in 30-31st of may

heard from whom? :o
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: matt2507 on May 23, 2015, 05:41:58 pm
Quote from: Ikarus on May 23, 2015, 04:53:13 pm
heard from whom? :o

Me but the date is wrong.

Just to clarify: expect a patch for the beginning of June.
And if you want more details, you should take a look here: http://crpg.open-sys.fr/projects/crpg
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Ikarus on May 24, 2015, 12:34:20 pm
Quote from: matt2507 on May 23, 2015, 05:41:58 pm
Me but the date is wrong.

Just to clarify: expect a patch for the beginning of June.
And if you want more details, you should take a look here: http://crpg.open-sys.fr/projects/crpg

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Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Bryggan on May 24, 2015, 05:54:26 pm
The old ways are the good ways.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on May 25, 2015, 01:34:24 am
14 vs 50 at one point, earlier this evening.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Ikarus on May 25, 2015, 01:42:31 pm
Quote from: SaxonBiceps on May 25, 2015, 01:34:24 am
14 vs 50 at one point, earlier this evening.  :rolleyes:

I also have the feeling that the game mistakes the ping as the players power level

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Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on May 25, 2015, 03:42:17 pm
Quote from: Ikarus on May 25, 2015, 01:42:31 pm
I also have the feeling that the game mistakes the ping as the players power level

Apparently that bug is caused when an entirely new player makes an account on cRPG, that account gets bugged and gets some ridiculous "power score" or something of the like. Which then makes the game put them against every player.  :?
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: BlackxBird on May 26, 2015, 12:46:54 am
so they know what it is, but don't know how to fix it? Cuz otherwise they should have fixed it ages ago...
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Harpag on May 26, 2015, 07:28:30 pm
Quote from: matt2507 on May 23, 2015, 05:41:58 pm
Me but the date is wrong.

Just to clarify: expect a patch for the beginning of June.
And if you want more details, you should take a look here: http://crpg.open-sys.fr/projects/crpg

Thank you!
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on May 28, 2015, 11:59:55 pm
Team is winning 2-0 and it gets severely outnumbered.

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Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Grumbs on June 14, 2015, 12:02:44 am
How you guys getting on with the patch? Newbies shouldnt have to play this version with the sales atm
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Xesta on June 14, 2015, 12:28:47 am
Soon™
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: matt2507 on June 14, 2015, 01:19:25 am
Quote from: Grumbs on June 14, 2015, 12:02:44 am
How you guys getting on with the patch? Newbies shouldnt have to play this version with the sales atm

We are still at the beginning of june  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Corsair831 on June 14, 2015, 03:00:04 am
Quote from: Teeth on May 20, 2015, 09:14:35 pm
I am not sure that you have to explain why 14 versus 32 is a problem.

What about if it's like 14 Corsair's against 32 Teeth's, it'd be horribly imbalanced in the favour of the 14 ...
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on June 14, 2015, 03:16:48 am
Quote from: Corsair831 on June 14, 2015, 03:00:04 am
What about if it's like 14 Corsair's against 32 Teeth's, it'd be horribly imbalanced in the favour of the 14 ...
I couldn't of put it better myself, Corsair
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: jtobiasm on June 14, 2015, 04:10:24 am
having 10 v 30 is horrible, but when you have mercs and krems on the 10 it's not even worth spawning with armour.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 14, 2015, 04:33:37 am
Guys are we gonna fix Saxon's balance. Like his 40-2 build.  :lol:

All in good humor friend, but that hammer does hurt like a bitch  :)
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Leshma on June 14, 2015, 02:49:09 pm
Saxon is very experienced player, but it is known fact that every notable Vanguard member have beefed up char directly in database (done by devs), way above levels of any other player in the game.
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: Blackbow on June 15, 2015, 03:36:16 am
Quote from: jtobiasm on June 14, 2015, 04:10:24 am
having 10 v 30 is horrible, but when you have mercs and krems on the 10 it's not even worth spawning with armour.

till i dont have a xesta or a jtobiasm in the team everything look fine =)

and you should not spit on krems when you have their mentality, you should try to apply for them maybe they will not reject you like we did =p
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: //saxon on June 15, 2015, 05:39:13 am
Quote from: Leshma on June 14, 2015, 02:49:09 pm
but it is known fact that every notable Vanguard member have beefed up char directly in database (done by devs), way above levels of any other player in the game.
God dam it, did chase let spies wander around our base again :mad: or was it Kenda.. :|
Title: Re: Are we gonna fix this broken balance. 11 vs 30 etc.
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 15, 2015, 09:26:00 am
Quote from: blackbow on June 15, 2015, 03:36:16 am
till i dont have a xesta or a jtobiasm in the team everything look fine =)

and you should not spit on krems when you have their mentality, you should try to apply for them maybe they will not reject you like we did =p

No we wouldn't accept either, we only accept cunts, not dicks.