Fix the fucking stagger in mid-air caused by ranged. SO ANNOYING. THEY ALWAYS SURVIVE BECAUSE OF THAT!What's up with the Eyes of ur Avatar :O
What's up with the Eyes of ur Avatar :O
Make head armor useful againts ranged......it is completely useless now that they do more damage on headshots..... Before this buff it was still possible to headshot people with good head armor, but it did protect us, not like now. The head armor is there for protection so don't go TROLL on us. It's such a BS that they 1 shot me with 53 head armor.
Bullshit
Bullshit
No.
this guy is obviously a newb who couldn't get kills in a shooter so now plays ranged in a melee game
edit: And crpg, is NOT supposed to be a melee game mate, even if meleers are heavely favoured as it is!
Archers before the Nerf (Buff of a 2hers Opinion) almost never aimed for the head. Archers needed to do Headshots to do some damage.
MEELE GAME?! Wtf umad IF this would be a Meele Game they wouldn't implent any Ranged Weapons.
this guy is obviously a newb who couldn't get kills in a shooter so now plays ranged in a melee game
Only high accuracy builds can do that efficiently, and then those builds dont do nearly enought damage.
Archers before the Nerf (Buff of a 2hers Opinion) almost never aimed for the head. Archers needed to do Headshots to do some damage.
nerf!
Nerf archery.
See? Our head armor was useful because you didn't aim there. Now all you do is 1 shot everyone with headshots only, because it does insane amount of damage.
Close this thread please ADMINS.
Today I was playing with colossus, weimar helmet + gothic plate, on EU6. Sent one arrow in his head and 4 in his body from close range ... he refused to die. 6 PD standard hornbow and MW bodkins.
See? Our head armor was useful because you didn't aim there. Now all you do is 1 shot everyone with headshots only, because it does insane amount of damage.
Yea an Archer needs to sacrifice Athletics to be accurate and do Headshots easily
I have no athletics and I can only headshoot easy stargets at medium range.That's what I mean.
Archers are good whiners thats why they get what they want :wink:
Close this thread please ADMINS.
Seriously, these kinds of trolling threads are starting to destroying my head.
Well, I just want my head armor to be USEFUL again against ranged, like in the old times. People use head armor for a reason, not for just the looks. I pay 470 gold upkeep for a helm that does not protect against ranged shit effectively.
And this is bad... why?
A 6 ps melee user wouldn't do much more damage with the same setting, plus he's actually taking a risk.
Been there done that, its not that hard.
Its showing that "headarmor is useless because everyone oneshots me now" is bullshit. Another whine thread to make crpg morehandicapped accessiblemelee friendly.
Not just me, technically, everyone. Except full loomed plate full str build guys, maybe.
He means that its Bullshit that ''Fact'' that Headarmor is useless. I think...
nerf!Remove kiting, then buff damage, then buff armor vs projectiles to make head armor matter more...
Death to the Kuyak-Cloaks!
MEELE GAME?! Wtf umad IF this would be a Meele Game they wouldn't implent any Ranged Weapons.would be more FUN if it was only melee game
Hilarious. It's like u would say lol at all those Gun users in Cod its a meele game with only using knife.
would be more FUN if it was only melee gameJoin EU Meele.
Join EU Meele.i want melee siege and rageball you NUB
would be more FUN if it was only melee gameGo melee server you kuyak my old friend.
i want melee siege and rageball you NUBno u
Exactly. And I think he wanted to say that its not just him who gets oneshotted by bows.
Go melee server you kuyak my old friend.mmm i dont wear kuyak and you say go melee server you my old friend that means that you are a gay archer
Head armor was useful in the past, it isn't now. And yea, I have 21 str 7 if and they 1 shot me, hilarious. Giving ranged this "more damage on headshots" buff made everything worse and I thought that archery was pretty balanced at that time before this buff.Then ur like the only 2her who tought that Archery was Balanced at that time. ( Even I was scared of my power with 10 pd MW Long Bow and MW Bodkins killing Lordly oldschcool Blackarmor in 4 hits.)
Then ur like the only 2her who tought that Archery was Balanced at that time. ( Even I was scared of my power with 10 pd MW Long Bow and MW Bodkins killing Lordly oldschcool Blackarmor in 4 hits.)
nerf!
Minus this bitch and lets get it over -10!LETz GET zeh MINUSING BEGIIIIN!
mmm i dont wear kuyak and you say go melee server you my old friend that means that you are a gay archerI'm a horsethrower, you're a gay kuyak my old friend who wants everyone else to be kuyak my old friends.
How about save c-rpg ban you. Oh and cav, BAN CAV!I'd 1+ if you wasn't hating on my horsie.
I'm a horsethrower, you're a gay kuyak my old friend who wants everyone else to be kuyak my old friends.Oke for so far i know you can't read english cause i said i don't wear kuyak retard
Oke for so far i know you can't read english cause i said i don't wear kuyak retardYou are a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.
You are a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.3 str one hander mmmm still that stupid ?
3 str one hander mmmm still that stupid ?You are STILL a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the people asking for an archery nerf haven't played a gen as an archer anytime recent.THIS
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You are STILL a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.Still a no
Free mod that you are not forced to play?because it was a fun free mod, we complain for what was lost and will never be returned
Complain about it to no end.
If archers are such a plague to play against, why do they have crap scores? I also GTX alot, mainly because archery is awful to play as.
Its not fine now. If kitting is the problem complain about that specificly, dont hate on ranged in general. Seriously though, archers are supposed to hurt from a distance, how would you possibly fix that without removing the class or making it unplayable?
Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.
Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.
the change everybody called for - nerf archery damage to the bodies and limbs, increase to the head - led most of the archers to respec from slow STR hard hitting builds to AGI fast kiting headshot builds.
i dunno what is the pop now, haven't played for like 3 weeks.
but i assume diablo III came out so i'm not really sure if archery is here the only thing to blame. there always were kiting archers even before when pop on servers was reaching its cap. also the mod is very old, if you're new to the game, you have almost no chance to get any kills unless you go for some sort of ranged. complete absence of any newbie servers ruins the game for new guys, only a very few hc based gamers are able to keep up until they skill up.
sooner (or later) the mod will die, it just has to be like that. imo chadz knows about it so he rather makes some scifi game instead.
the best thing imo would be to revert archery back (increase damage to the body by a lot) and reduce ammount of arrows u can take into a battle by a lot. this would make STR builds for archery more viable -> less athletics -> less kiting.
Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.Archers were peasants and criminals who couldn't buy good weapons and armors like swords,horses... so they are totaly fine now.
Archers were peasants and criminals who couldn't buy good weapons and armors like swords,horses... so they are totaly fine now.Not all of them were lightly armed peasants. We have loads of kuyak guys, how would you respond if I would say infantry were only criminals and conscripts who only got a club or a rusty sword. So they should wear only light gear and cavalry was the only type of class that were used by nobles and high tier troops? That would be accurate because there were some criminals and conscripts are like that being pushed to the frontal combat. But that would not reflect all the reality. You mister, mislead other people without lying.
Why should archer have armor when he shoot at ppl from distance?
Why the hell are people saying that meleers are changing and leaving? Im just back from EU 1 and over 70% had pure melee builds. Archers and cav are still a minority! FFS you people just wont stop complaining until archers are as pointless as this thread!
Not all of them were lightly armed peasants. We have loads of kuyak guys, how would you respond if I would say infantry were only criminals and conscripts who only got a club or a rusty sword. So they should wear only light gear and cavalry was the only type of class that were used by nobles and high tier troops? That would be accurate because there were some criminals and conscripts are like that being pushed to the frontal combat. But that would not reflect all the reality. You mister, mislead other people without lying.
And adamar, the only pointless thing here is your post, i tried to give some arguments and prop up my view while you just say how useless is my opinion without even giving one argument to prove it.
Try to think 2 seconds, would there be that many rage threads about archers if there were no problem?
And also try to read properly my post, i havn't even asked for an archer nerf ...
Not true. There was slave,very poor peasants,criminals forces that were armed with sticks,rusty swords,tridents and they were used to attack the first,so the rich knights can go and fight after peasants get first line.
Cav vas for richest,but inf were well armed too. Inf had armors,please don't tell me that cav only had armors and normal swords? :D
there's already a 66 page nerf range thread in game balance discussion. We don't need another one in general discussion+1 million pls
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Make head armor useful againts ranged......it is completely useless now that they do more damage on headshots..... Before this buff it was still possible to headshot people with good head armor, but it did protect us, not like now. The head armor is there for protection so don't go TROLL on us. It's such a BS that they 1 shot me with 53 head armor.
That was a huge glitch if true.
That was a huge glitch if true.So about 80% of times Archers are saved by glitch?
So about 80% of times Archers are saved by glitch?
Cuz u noobs are being shot by +3 Longbows and +3 Rus Bows with 7-8PD and +3 Bodkins that's why!
It's not Horn Bow or weaker! Stop QQ-ing!
Cuz u noobs are being shot by +3 Longbows and +3 Rus Bows with 7-8PD and +3 Bodkins that's why!
It's not Horn Bow or weaker! Stop QQ-ing!
lol +1
some people just can't admit the truth about their class...
The truth is we get 1 hit killed all the time, due to having crap armor (not our problem bro, that's your choice. We pay upkeep on massive great helms just to get 1 hitted trolololo). Are you guys saying that archers have some kind of magical forcefield that makes them more resilient than inf? Any more 'truths' like these? (no just that already like 5 people have given similar accounts like i did in this thread)
BTW, a tested FACT is that my +3 longbow and +2 bodkins doesn't garantee an headshot kill. Tincans and people with good helmets survive a lot. Dare I say, at least once a day a guy walks out bloodied from one of my arrows to the head. You guys would be taken more seriously if you had made some research on the matter, and didn't made so many absurd claims, because the devs know their engine.
lol man, you do talk some BS dude...
Yet our +3 Melee weapons have trouble killing silly archers (with no helms) when we smash them on their heads? :lol:
I get my facts from the battlefield bro, not some silly tests on duel server.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI
I test my weapons in combat too mate, not in duel.
Now, was that overhead hit a glance or not? Lets hear it.
Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?
Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?
Here's my, and I bet a great deal of player's reactions to this mod when they take a break to play other games and want to give cRPG a go.
1. See that the server population is half of what it used to be in primetime.
2. Notice all the good and fun to play with melee players have quit the game and probably won't come back
3. Notice the only players still on: kiting archers and throwers
4. Try to play the game, every enemy you try to engage runs away even STR build throwers, get shot to death from 8 directions by archers and throwers
5. Leave the server, not come back
People with a lot of HP can survive headshots. People with less than 70 HP can wear any helmet they want, they won't survive headshots.
Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?
This thread is not about buffing archery. I think archery is fine. It does not need a nerf, that is all.
It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.
I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5ps horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms. That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it. Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 8ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone. I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.
It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.
Well you say head armour is useless but you're only talking projectiles, I'm sure your helmet comes in handy in melee when someone hits your head.
Today I was playing with colossus, weimar helmet + gothic plate, on EU6. Sent one arrow in his head and 4 in his body from close range ... he refused to die. 6 PD standard hornbow and MW bodkins.
THE CRPG LIFE CYCLE
1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Ranged players go back to infantry.
7. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!
I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5pD horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms. That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it. Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 8ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone. I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.
Holy shit people, seriously stop posting if you don't know anything about archery. A 8 PD build is garbage, completely inaccurate and NO ONE (serious) uses it.
Holy shit people, seriously stop posting if you don't know anything about archery. A 8 PD build is garbage, completely inaccurate and NO ONE (serious) uses it.
1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Archers whine.
7.Ranged gets buff.
8. Even more archers.
Fixd
1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Archers whine.
7.Ranged gets buff.
8. Even more archers.
9. Mod is once again alive and kicking :wink:
Fixd
Meow has 4PD on his archer build. And he regularly does 3:1 scores with his kiting.
Doesn't he have 1 +3 Tard Bow though and +3 Bodkinz?
So... ?
Look, archers have crap scores, a really hard time defending themselfs in melee, and are a minority. Its the melee, in general, that decides the battle. With that in mind, why would archers be nerfed?
More serious post than my last few so far in this thread:
I must admit - my fail HA alt, using the standard HA build that I found in the guides section,
Sorry I should have said something like "nerf the damage of headshots by 10%" rather than just nerf. Archers also by no means have crap scores, the good archers, just like the good melee or cav, can easily go 20-1 on any map/gametype.
That's why u go 7/30 HX build. 5 HA and +3 Light Xbow and +3 Steel Bolts and +3 Courser = EPIC SAUCE. And then make it lvl 35 and u can go 12 riding and 6 HA.
Its really not the same. You can collect kills like that with a lance or a 2handed weapon, but certainly not with a bow. Any veteran will tell you that.
Sorry I should have said something like "nerf the damage of headshots by 10%" rather than just nerf. Archers also by no means have crap scores, the good archers, just like the good melee or cav, can easily go 20-1 on any map/gametype.
:rolleyes: Sure, but also remove the accuracy penalty from weight. So, you know, we see less kiters...
Funny, this thread, that for the most part was just trolls, we actually got somewhere...
How about...
New thread in suggestions area with title "Nerf HS damage by 10%"
2 options, yes or no. Lock it. No trolling. See what the people think.
If I make it as a biased ranged hater people will vote no so we need a neutral to make it ^^
I'd vote no, because as I've said before, even with my mw longbow and sharp bodkins people survive headshots regularly. So, unless you add an accuracy bonus to that suggestion, its no.
This is truly just bullshit you must be doing something wrong.
Hetman has a shittier bow and it's ALWAYS a one hit headshot. Same for Nebun.
Also...Megalol at the use of regularly to add insult to injury....
You mean, like constantly demanding a nerf for the weakest class?
You mean, like constantly demanding a nerf for the weakest class?
That is your personal evidence. The same thing never happens to my fighter, I'm always killed by other fighters with the exact reverse percentages as you. Nerf 2h weapons! Buff archers! See how useless anecdotal evidence is? :P
Hetman has a shittier bow and it's ALWAYS a one hit headshot.Well he is a level 35 archer
Well he is a level 35 archer
ahahahahahahahaha I cant stop laughing, really.
After this post I created a STF alt, 18/21, money only was enough to buy tatar arrows and a tatar bow.
After 2 rounds I was almost topping the score board with 8:3 or something.
I DIDNT PLAY ARCHER FOR ABOUT 12 MONTHS !
Lets assume I would be a dedicated archer using a loomed (good) bow and loomed tatar arrows, I would easily, without even really looking on the screen, topping the score board on every fucking map. There is no counter for a good archer EXCEPT good shielders. Even bad shielders are easy target, I think at least 2 of my kills were heavily armored shielders.
Really, this is so ridiculous.
I know how Chase did get 40:1 scores when he played archer with +3 tatar and +3 rus bow: Because it is really so easy to aim and hit and when you are in trouble you run away till you can shoot again.
Anybody who tells me ranged needs a buff or playing archer would require more skill then melee will get a huge laughter and a mute so I don´t have to hear such BS ever again.
Archers have already been nerfed enough, I think.
lower ranged damage to melee, double it to horses
archers do really a shit ton of damage to even high armored melee but don't do enough to cav imo and cav spam is prob worse than archer spam
lower ranged damage to melee, double it to horses
archers do really a shit ton of damage to even high armored melee but don't do enough to cav imo and cav spam is prob worse than archer spam
We only want a small headshot dmg nerf, so better head armors will be actually useful.. The body dmg is fine atm imo, the headshot dmg makes me rage only. Horses have too much hp though but that's another problem.
Momo, you should make your suggestion in the game ballance area, if you're serious about it. Dont post it randomly in a troll thread.
Momo, you should make your suggestion in the game ballance area, if you're serious about it. Dont post it randomly in a troll thread.
The biggest troll in this thread is you. I am obviously dead serious about nerfing ranged as is anyone who isn't ranged.
You go troll another thread.
Dude this was troll thread since post 1. You have little to no idea what archery is, and then you just write "nerf" and a troll poll, as if hadn't enought of that already.
None of the really good and dedicated archers I know ever requested a buff.
All I see is Nerf threads, and although some of them may be troll threads, they are right.
those that haven't should try lvl 30 STF archer if they think they are so OP and if u get above 1:1 KDR then complain, otherwise stfu. no nerf is needed.
no, archers are usually at the bottom of the k/d scale, along with throwers. k/d-leaders and probably also the biggest factors for deciding the outcome of a round are 2h/pole footmen and melee cav. acts of classism like this thread come from the biggest idiots and are pretty retarded. just look at the poll options.:D
More serious post than my last few so far in this thread:HA is just fine, check out this dude:
I must admit - my fail HA alt, using the standard HA build that I found in the guides section, with no looms at all, and still not at 4 HA skill, it's pretty damn hard to be a HA other than taking out horses. Of course, I am noob at this class too and a good HA can surely own a little bit but I would say the only area of archery that I would buff is HA, i find it fucking hard to make a headshot so can't even say if it feels OP, I can only say (like I have in this thread) that it is OP from the recieving end. Buff that shit, but nerf foot archer?
HA is just fine, check out this dude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bVFThKM7E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bVFThKM7E)
They don't need to be nerfed further although I can understand people raging that someone with a tatar bow can do a lot of headshot damage with a pew pew bow. But the fact is unless headshot damage for each bow can be nerfed according to the bow, I don't think its fair to nerf headshot damage for the rus/long bow users.
Archery is fine the way it is. People just have an issue with ranged in general since some think melee is the only point in the game. I understand that but ranged is part of the game. I have no issue with people making melee only servers that have issues with archers, crossbowmen, or throwers.
So, if the devs nerf your class as much as they did archery, then you fail extremely hard? Nice views.
I dont think you can combine high damage and high accuracy in any build. That's either great skill, or high damaging archers loosely shooting into an enemy mob.
I'm 18/21 with +3 Rus bow and +3 Bodkins
The damage you deal is imo good, but in some ways not fair. If Archery were to be fair, there would probably have to be hitboxes on armors, so that an arrow in an tin-can would deal damage based on if it hits a weak part of the armor (arm-pit is 1 example) or not. I think it would take away alot of bad feelings that medium/heavy armored people is having with archery, since it would take an very accurate archer to continuesly deliver lethal shots to armored players. Also in this way, you can increase the accuracy of bows and arrows without rendering them overpowered.
Sorry if this suggestion is completely offtopic heh...
18/21 is a good damage build with very good accuracy and running speed :), gl man
xD
This only shows that 99% of archers fail extremely hard, as I said. :mrgreen:
friendly archer is the name.
Kills/Deaths:10/7, 1.4:1
As I said, after my very first two rounds I had 8 Kills and 3 or 4 deaths. After that I played 3 or 4 more rounds but just died, because I didnt really payed attention, as it only was for fun (and I´m pretty sure I got killed by other (better) ranged who shot me from far away, just saying).
I do not say archery is OP, because I for sure can get much better k/d´s with my dedicated pikemen main for example, but if I where a dedicated archer with loomed bow and arrows, maybe even level 33 or 32 like on my main, I could be under the top players concerning k/d on every map, as I am with my pole/inf main.
For sure it´s also about player skill, because why would a guy like Chase who almost always plays 2h or pole, have the same or even better stats when he plays archer for one or two gens? Right- because he a very skilled player, period.
I guess that archers have the greatest amount of "not-so-skilled" players, because every really good and dedicated archer can top the score board at any time. There are just not so many, and many are playing other classes right now because they got bored.
EDIT: 3 or 4 deaths in two rounds does not make any sense, sorry. So it were 3 or 4 rounds :D
friendly archer is the name.
Kills/Deaths:10/7, 1.4:1
As I said, after my very first two rounds I had 8 Kills and 3 or 4 deaths. After that I played 3 or 4 more rounds but just died, because I didnt really payed attention, as it only was for fun (and I´m pretty sure I got killed by other (better) ranged who shot me from far away, just saying).
I do not say archery is OP, because I for sure can get much better k/d´s with my dedicated pikemen main for example, but if I where a dedicated archer with loomed bow and arrows, maybe even level 33 or 32 like on my main, I could be under the top players concerning k/d on every map, as I am with my pole/inf main.
For sure it´s also about player skill, because why would a guy like Chase who almost always plays 2h or pole, have the same or even better stats when he plays archer for one or two gens? Right- because he a very skilled player, period.
I guess that archers have the greatest amount of "not-so-skilled" players, because every really good and dedicated archer can top the score board at any time. There are just not so many, and many are playing other classes right now because they got bored.
EDIT: 3 or 4 deaths in two rounds does not make any sense, sorry. So it were 3 or 4 rounds :D
Cav will show you how useless you are.
Not when 2 arrows by you kills champ destrier (body hits too).
it is just a lie and bullshit , champ destrier dont die after 2 shots with my mw arb + mw bolts.
May I ask what your archer's name was?
Not that I am allowed to publish it's K:D but last time someone claimed he played an STF archer and had positive kdr instantly, the dude had 4 kills in the 3 days the char was alive.
Sadly most of the people who whine about ranged but claim they played an archer and were super awesome with it played it for like an hour tops and basically have no idea.
Obviously most of you can´t read, or do not care.
My STF was 18/21, with tatar arrow and tatar bow (because the money isn´t enough to buy a horn bow).
I could make easy kills. 160 wpf makes archers so damn accurate, and 6 PD and unloomed tatar arrows and a unloomed tatar bow are apparenty enough to kill medium armored guys in 3-4 hits.
So don´t talk shit.
BTW Leshma, I killed you there too (or at least I hitted you 2 or 3 times and made a melee guy from my team kill you).
I never said all archers are skilless, I said archers have the most "not-so-skilled" players which results in very few really good archers who are topping the score board from time to time.
The point is you cannot find out how easy/difficult a class or playstyle is unless you played it for a longer time. Pretending to know about it after like 10 kills with a STF is just plainly arrogant. I suggest you start at zero and make an archer alt, level him up and see how it works out like Meow did with an open mind because he is not a blockhead like so many others here.
Many long-time players have played archer for a gen or two (or at least played a STF for a while).
I find it quite arrogant of you to assume that everyone with a differing opinion is talking out of their arse.
Here's a thought, a lot of us are saying there should be less archers, but I agree and disagree.
Reason is, that in a battle, there SHOULD be lots of arrows flying BUT, it should be like it really was, from far away, aimed into the air and the arrows rain down on the enemy, then the cav charge bla bla bla, that to me would be epic.
However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield. This is just fake. The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).
Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can.
Yes, this is verging on having to face up to the fact that it's very unrealistic and belongs in realism thread so you can ignore this post :lol:
One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.
Thank you.
If I recall correctly (counting Gens on my main and alts together), I played 3 Gens of pure foot archer, 2 gens HA, 3 gens pure xbow/hybrid xbow and 2 Gens throwing hybrid.
I guess more than 88 million expierence points in ranged classes should give me a slightly insight in those.
... but honestly, it's ridicilous when you see a volley of arrows flying towards you.
However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.
The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).
Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can.
One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.
Yep, Looms definately make a greater difference for ranged as they do for melee weapons ..
They don't make as much difference for melee weapons as they do for ranged (you can have both bow and arrows loomed).
I think the looms here really nails it.
Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.
Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.
2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.
Yes. I am often getting two shotted in lordly katafraktoi + lordly mail gauntlets, 21 str and 5 IF.
Sometimes noob archers or HA dealing only like 5-10 % damage per shot.
So looms and high level make a big difference!
come on dont lie, i wear tribal warior outfir + 0 and mail mittens +1, i have 18 str and 0 if, and archers like cadarn, strudog, bagge at big distanse, radh and many others cant kill me with 2 shots, i bet if i have +3 stuff and a bit if i will allways survive 2 arrows.
dont forget that archers have distance penalty on dmg, rain penalty, speed bonus/penalty. but still we have some high pd archers, ofc they make big amount of dmg, but they are slow and they cant aim.
Not really good armor. They used what they could afford theirselves. Lords didnt pay for archer's armor. The kind of archers we talk about. Not mercenaries but normal ppl who happened to be "archers" in wartime. Families would save money for years "incase" daddy would need to go to war... just not to send him in rags. But the big mass of archers went with just leather armor if any. "rich" ones, like artisans etc would go to the battle even using chainmail. There was not a "uniform" for archers.
Its true that archers where comoners, and there are plenty of historical portrayals of high medieval archers wearing medium armor and good helmets, regardless of their social condition. I assume lords wanted their troops to be efficient, if it could be afforded.
lower archer accuracy, increase or leave damage alone.
Seems pretty senseless to argue with them.
It´s exactly what you say, no matter if I wear my +3 lamellar vest, +3 kuyak or +3 katafraktoi, I´m getting 2-3 shotted with every of them.
Sometimes, as I said, of course HA and lowby archer deal very low damage.
But what are we even talking about, I think it is about high level, dedicated archer who got their bow and arrow loomed.
Sure, if in agor´s fantasy world he can survive 2 shots in a unloomed tribal warrior outfit from an 18/21 +3 loomed dedicated archer, what´s the purpose of even posting here ...
all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.
I never said anything about running speed or about headshots. Again, you did not read what I wrote.
Close this thread please ADMINS.
The way archery is related to wpf forces archers to be dedicated which causes the kiting, and kiting is bad.
There are plenty other things that are wrong with archery but I think this is the most important and the one nearly everybody agrees with.
Here's my favourite unpopular idea...
Make projectiles unretrievable.
- Trade the extra loomed arrow damage for more arrows and leave the bows as they are.they couldna gree on the color of shite
- Make the armor penalty to accuracy not as punishing, especially with helmets, so that archers can reach their full efficiency as part melee and not kite.
- Maybe enforce only 1 bag or arrows for everyone, if possible, so a better ballance between different types of archers can be reached, and the pure archer build encouraged. The number of arrows per quiver would increase in this case.
The devs wanted to get rid of hybrids, thus the ultimate archer right now can only be a kitter/pure shooter. The slot system already prevents op hybrids, so lets reballance the class in a way that everyone can agree on.
Do eeet! Nerf Archery!
Here's my favourite unpopular idea...Retrieval is a problem for throwing lances in particular and overcomes the low ammo limitation - a thrower aims one at you, you back off and he advances, retrieving lances to throw again until one of them hits you. Throwing lances make little sense anyway... a spear in someone's hand does less damage than a thrown one which has left someone's hand and so is decelerating?
Make projectiles unretrievable.
they couldna gree on the color of shite
kiting is bad.
This is a very good example of where you can say something like it's a fact when it couldn't be further from the truth, on both accounts.
Oh, and @Smoothrich, I think you're partially right. Non-heirloom bows and arrows definitely ARE underpowered, but heirloomed bows and arrows really aren't all that overpowered. Then again, it costs 6 heirloom points to reach maximum damage effectiveness, twice as much as any other weapon (barring arguments of horse-speed-as-weapon-bonus).
just play melee server...you guys still dont understand melee server is like 0 people hole day and we want to play rageball and siege aswel lolololol
u won't get satisfied with the coming range nerfs anyway ^^
you guys still dont understand melee server is like 0 people hole day and we want to play rageball and siege aswel lololololoh 0 people, well that just proves it all, u guys seem to like getting shot then :lol:
It's so funny you ranged troll players are also trolls on the forums. Alot of you are either really really ignorant or straight up lying.
Either way, we need population back on the servers...
So for thoes of us who want this game to survive.....
SAVE C-RPG! NERF RANGED!
Close this thread please ADMINS.please
Ranged is fine you all are fools. I think it's funny the only people complaining about kiting are the people that are being kited...
GASP I would nevar! I ain't no nerd!
Also, my avatar would beat yours in a fight. 8-)
all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.
fuck how he said gen 36 lvl 32 and still so retarded.
I have 24 str, 7 IF and 54 body armor, and I get 3 shotted (in body) by archers, while I can take much more hits from melee, and archers are not even in combat range with me and shoot from distance and at a high rate and if I manage to get close, they use their speed to get away and kill me anyway. You see the overkill power of archers?
We just want armor rating to actually mean something against arrows. Right now, it almost doesn't matter what your armor rating is, always receiving high amount of damage from archers. And I'm just talking about archers, xbows are balanced imo cause they are supposed to do more damage.
I have 24 str, 7 IF and 54 body armor, and I get 3 shotted (in body) by archers, while I can take much more hits from melee, and archers are not even in combat range with me and shoot from distance and at a high rate and if I manage to get close, they use their speed to get away and kill me anyway. You see the overkill power of archers?
Yes, how dare Archers even think about shooting you. And why do they attack you from a far distance? How dare they!
First of all my STF atm is a weaboo derp katana char. However unlike you, i've actually played every class that there is to play and although archers are annoying (especially HA) it's not the bow itself but more that they tend to run away and group up on you or as HA, they tend to bump and shoot you in turns.
The bow itself isn't that OP. But it's hard for dedicated melee extremists to realize it because hell.. There are even players who have played for 2 years or so and still are going melee and complain about ranged.
Play every class and stop being so narrow minded.
only if she sat on his face with all dat booty...and suffocated him!
every1 who post here about op ranged and nerfs shoud be banned for a week and forced to play native all this week.
has anybody complaining about archery actually ever played as an archer?
last time when kafein was bitchind he admitted he has 0.4:1 k/d ratio with his 30 lvl one.
For me, the main annoyance isn't about getting killed by archers - it's getting shot down to low health before getting into contact with enemy melee, which happens quite often on a battle server, despite having a shield (horse archers flanking and being pin point accurate etc.).
So yeah, basicly nobody complaining here ever tried to play an archer or horse archer. Most of the people suffer from selective memory and come out with bs like pinpoint accuracy for HA, arrows taking 1/2 hp, archer only injuring and not killing (OMG HOW THEY DARE) etc. Go play STF character at least and then complain morons :)
(while showing your stats at the same time of course)
This thread is still going?
Yes, ranged QQ'ers are giving 2h elitists a run for their money when it comes to defending their class against a tiny nerf.
you would expect a headshot to be a insta, since it is a headshot, the most vital thing in your bodyyes, and it's protected with great helm or better.
So what? I can grow a beard, then my face is also protected. :rolleyes:
game balance > realism (even if!)
So yeah, basicly nobody complaining here ever tried to play an archer or horse archer. Most of the people suffer from selective memory and come out with bs like pinpoint accuracy for HA, arrows taking 1/2 hp, archer only injuring and not killing (OMG HOW THEY DARE) etc. Go play STF character at least and then complain morons :)
(while showing your stats at the same time of course)
I think the looms here really nails it.
Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.
Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.
2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.
Tiny nerfs? the nerfs on archery have been horrid, I have played archery through nerfs, before the first nerf I experianced, I was able to do what ever the hell I wanted with an arrow. Thats because I knew what I was doing.
*edit* still was able to do a good job for a time till they really started messing with the longbow
You don't understand, I am ok if I get 1 shot in the head with 0-40 head armor, but please, getting 1 shot with 50 head armor and above is completely BS.
So what? I can grow a beard, then my face is also protected. :rolleyes:
game balance > realism (even if!)
We just want headshots not bo be fucking OP, that's all. I am fine with a long bow buff.
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i usually play with my alt with 40 body armor as an agi char (no shield). can't remember when i'd loose 2/3 health to a single arrow. what can sometimes almost 1 shot me to the body are arbalests from close range (i roughly guess by hits i took that regular ones do about 60-80 percent of damage).
all this ranged nerf is a whine, arguments put here are selective and they are mostly total BS. none of the complainers would ever manage to get even close to 1:1 K/D ratio with lvl 30 stf char archer, yet they continually just complain, complain, complain...
btw i agree - archery is shit, it promotes running kiters instead of strength builds. especially aiming on the head only is retarded - it totally negates STR builds so there is only 1 good possible archer build atm (running kiter that tries to headshot with hornbow on 10 meters).
this isnt the topic about head armor tho
Ranged body dmg is FINE.
It's too low and should hurt more. Not like the old arrow of doom days, but this is also silly, I was gone for a year and suddenly there are no archers, only kiting mosquitoes which try to headshot or only slightly sting a normal armoured person.
Throwing is also crappy now. Crossbows are almost decent. Except you can't oneshot even a light armour agibuild in the body anymore, not even with MW arbalest & MW bolts, which is a bit sad.
Buff body dmg, nerf headshot dmg (a bit), I would be totally fine with that.
I like it how it is now. Shooting head is not so easy, also you can just show your ass to an archer and keep walking to him with your ass leading the way. 2h left swing holded all the time and looking at the damn grass. No HS for sure!
Good idea o.o, never tried that lol. Will try it in the future :D.
Good idea o.o, never tried that lol. Will try it in the future :D.
Why doesn't anyone ever buy a shield? In the old CRPG 70% of twohanders had a shield.
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.
Shield is useful only if you're chasing single archer under one condition, that you have 2 more ath than him. Otherwise not so useful.
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.
Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.
Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.
Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.
Why doesn't anyone ever buy a shield? In the old CRPG 70% of twohanders had a shield.
learn to english? neva!
Telling 2h/polearmers to get a shield would make sense only if archers were forced to spend points to block melee.
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.
And this is why this mod is dying. Fuck C-RPG and it's Devs.
Able to hit anything without most people beign able to fight back?
Why not? It's a prety simple tactic for two coordinated archers to bring down a shielder, anything wrong with it?
On the other hand a build that can take mine out without me being able to do anything is better, right?
On the other hand a build that can take mine out without me being able to do anything is better, right?
Yes, there are no counters to archers.
Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.
The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)
Yes, there are no counters to archers.
Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.
The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)
Yes, there are no counters to archers.
Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.
The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)
Overall, archery is not fine. It's not neary as rewarding as other classes, where a skilled and intelligent player gets 10-1 relatively easely. As an archer you're largely dependent on luck and support(from your kind).
Archers can jump out of it, unless you're on a sarranid (arabian now) you don't have the agi to circle and kill if they do that. Safer to engage busy infantry, or archers if they are really busy (eg. trying to run away).
There's nothing worse than dying at the beginning of a round cuz some archer shoots you in the back of the head because you weren't being careful- well, getting a lance in the back of the head for the same reason- or getting a sword in the back of the head...+1
As a relatively useless infantry I've never really had much problem with ranged. The trick is not to fight enemies where they have archer cover. It is annoying when they get that lucky random headshot, but otherwise no prob. As a thrower I tried taking out cav that tries to flank us, and it seems like all the archers waste most of their arrows trying to kill the horses- not that easy actually.
Archery takes practice and skill, same as all the other classes.
A skilled archer will kill me all the time, a skilled melee with kill me 30-50% of the time.
There's your difference.
Once you get close that advantage is gone and you are fighting a peasant who is inferior to you in any way.That arrogant attitude is how you end up dying in melee to an archer...
That arrogant attitude is how you end up dying in melee to an archer...
slow and inaccurate missiles
i iZ mealleee I hAz no 1dea whut me talkz about but aRchuWy OP cuZ mekes me sAd :cry: :cry: :cry:
Yet they are slow and innacurate. Calling several people liars when you have little experience on the matter, doesn't really work. You'd be better off not posting at all, if its just unfounded trolling.
fixed
71 body armor
36 str 11 if
2 body shots and dead from hospitaler itchy
one word to sum it up:
NERF
I suggest everyone defending archery makes a STF shielder and attack robinhood 1v1.
71 body armor
36 str 11 if
2 body shots and dead from hospitaler itchy
one word to sum it up:
NERF
NERF RANGED NOW!
Anyone who's been on EU1 this evening.. The amount :shock:
Anyone who's been on EU1 this evening.. The amount :shock:
I suggest everyone defending archery makes a STF shielder and attack robinhood 1v1.
Today : EU1 , 70 % of my team are fucking super fast running archer/xbow clowns with ridiculous k/D
Fuck this shit really ..rename this mod to "c-rpg london 2012 olympic archery marathon race"
the no honour (my old friendchery) lobby is very strong in this mod :(
Today : EU1 , 70 % of my team are fucking super fast running archer/xbow clowns with ridiculous k/DIt's funny and also pathetic to see how quickly many veteran players go into rage/hate mode when their usual huge k/d spree is disrupted even just for a short time. Want to talk about 'ridiculous k/d' simply view any good melee player. Only the very top archers have a k/d to match good melee'r. Archers don't go into a server and go 'wtf server is filled with melee...whine/rage'.
Fuck this shit really
Whats really funny is only ranged players and huge newbs disagree with ranged needing nerfed
Bagge, I love you dude. Shoot me thousand times and i say nothing.
Think I'll go back to ranged too. Lets kill all cav & 2H until they are fed up with this game and this becomes pure ranged mod.And then they can change the webpage domain again, to rangedgaming.com
Currently leveling an archer and I regret it. Should choose xbow instead.
Everyone should try leveling an archer, it's fun :D
The damage of an average archer really isn't that bad. The problem comes when you've got an archer with a +3 bow and +3 arrows combined with a high strength build.I would rather have all higher tier armors invulnerable to cut arrows completely than nerf high strength archers. If archers are nerfed then cav is going to have to be nerfed as well.
I would rather have all higher tier armors invulnerable to cut arrows completely than nerf high strength archers. If archers are nerfed then cav is going to have to be nerfed as well.
Why nerf archers?
Because there are too many? Just wait a while, the numbers will decrease. I'd hate playing this game if the teams were ALWAYS a perfect balance of 1h/2h/pole/cav ranged. It's good to mix the ratios up now and then and have to adapt. Challenge and variability=fun!
Is it because they are killing you, or you think they are OP? Check out my guide in the guide section!
I would rather have all higher tier armors invulnerable to cut arrows completely than nerf high strength archers. If archers are nerfed then cav is going to have to be nerfed as well.
And the missile speed was also nerfed twice.
Nah, playing with greatsword is the most nooby thing in this mod. You don't need a brain to be decent with it. Stab, then stab a little more, keep stabbing...I take it thats pointed at me? :lol:
Nah, playing with greatsword is the most nooby thing in this mod. You don't need a brain to be decent with it. Stab, then stab a little more, keep stabbing...
how is missile speed nerfed when archers shoot enemy spawn from their own spawn and actually get kills? O_o
Yeah, cause that happens every round, yes?
FUCK YOU EVEN MORE! SERIOUSLY WTF IS THAT! I QUIT PLAYING!(click to show/hide)
No looms, rus bow and tatar arrows, have rarely played archer before.
still archery is way stronger then xbow. the only reason is that xbow can be hybrid or in armor and weapon, but bow vs xbow- bow is better.
can we buff brains :?:
denied, not worth itYou wouldn't know :lol:
ITT: mad 2h / polemy old friends with no battlefield awareness.
more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter
we play this game for MELEE
maybe you didn't know that you huge newb
more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter
we play this game for MELEE
maybe you didn't know that you huge newb
SAVE CRPG! LOCK THREAD+1 IT
ITT: mad 2h / polemy old friends with no battlefield awareness.
I'm sorry sossarian knight but your build is like what? 36/3?
Stop whining about range and get a more balanced build or put 1-2 points into shield. Not like your gonna catch ANYONE with 3 agi anyways.
should be able to chamber arrows with the use of playerskillremoving idiots from the game should be better.
sadly i have no fucking idea how you could implement this, what about just removing range as a whole? man thatd be beautiful
Masterwork bow/arrow does to much damage, other think about ranged are ok ... nerf loomed ranged.
Masterwork bow/arrow does to much damage, other think about ranged are ok ... nerf loomed ranged.
I roll 10 Str 0 IF and I can take at the very least 3 arrows before I die when wearing my Lordly Khergit Lamellar and regular Mail Gauntlets. 45 body armor.My alt is now lvl 26 12/26 no IF and I am oneshoted pretty often by rus, horn and longbow. Actually one year ago I used 12/27 often with lammelar vest and survived 2 or 3 arrows from same bows.
And as Shine said, meanwhile I'm getting one-shotted by, quite literally, everything else in the game.
My alt is now lvl 26 12/26 no IF and I am oneshoted pretty often by rus, horn and longbow. Actually one year ago I used 12/27 often with lammelar vest and survived 2 or 3 arrows from same bows.
Now I use only tabbart cos my 24/21 no IF main in loomed kuyak often go down after 2 hits from medium distance.
So I think we play different game 8-)
Now I use only tabbart cos my 24/21 no IF main in loomed kuyak often go down after 2 hits from medium distance.
Now I use only tabbart
tabbart
tabbart
Why do people wonder getting twohitted by the highest damaging bow ingame, why do people wonder getting 2 hitted by the highest damaging 2 hander ingame, why do people wonder....Maybe because its mount and blade and not run and gun.
Why do people wonder getting twohitted by the highest damaging bow ingame, why do people wonder getting 2 hitted by the highest damaging 2 hander ingame, why do people wonder....
more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter
we play this game for MELEE
maybe you didn't know that you huge newb
SAVE CRPG!lol
NERF RANGED
This has taken a whole new meaning with the perfect accuracy bug.
Why is it that homosexuals are the ones people refer to when something annoys them? :/
And no, I could not care the less about this topic. If one wants something to be nerfed, he/she can make a proper topic first, as the rest will just follow the example of the starter of the topic.
Homosexuals are very feminine an would avoid fighting as much as possible like a sissy.. Hence the term my old friendchersI hear ya bro!
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NERF CRPG!
this thread was made by a 39/3 build. Please stop posting in it. He deserves to get shot to death :twisted:
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