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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ad1no on May 27, 2012, 12:52:01 am

Title: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 27, 2012, 12:52:01 am
nerf!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on May 27, 2012, 12:52:42 am
lol
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 12:56:04 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdr9CtkAkm8
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 12:58:18 am
Fix the fucking stagger in mid-air caused by ranged. SO ANNOYING. THEY ALWAYS SURVIVE BECAUSE OF THAT!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:00:29 am
Fix the fucking stagger in mid-air caused by ranged. SO ANNOYING. THEY ALWAYS SURVIVE BECAUSE OF THAT!
What's up with the Eyes of ur Avatar :O
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 27, 2012, 01:03:36 am
seriously, ranged has gotten outa control something has to give.. mod pop is down big time and the kiting, trolling, delaying ranged players pop has gone up
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:04:05 am
What's up with the Eyes of ur Avatar :O

It's a secret.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 27, 2012, 01:04:30 am
SAVE SANITY! BAN RANGED QQERS
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:04:50 am
More Damage to the Head? Fine. Then I can finally 1hit with my Bow!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: obitus on May 27, 2012, 01:05:42 am
there was a week after ladders were removed that archers were nerfed to 50% damage

the best week
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 01:06:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8rUcnliF20

Seriously, dont be retards. Go try to play an archer an see if ranged really needs a nerf.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 01:06:23 am
NERF archery i AGREE
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:08:31 am
I need to admit I feel as it was before the Big Nerf.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:11:42 am
Make head armor useful againts ranged......it is completely useless now that they do more damage on headshots..... Before this buff it was still possible to headshot people with good head armor, but it did protect us, not like now.  The head armor is there for protection so don't go TROLL on us. It's such a BS that they 1 shot me with 53 head armor.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 01:12:58 am
Make head armor useful againts ranged......it is completely useless now that they do more damage on headshots..... Before this buff it was still possible to headshot people with good head armor, but it did protect us, not like now.  The head armor is there for protection so don't go TROLL on us. It's such a BS that they 1 shot me with 53 head armor.

Bullshit
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:15:04 am
Bullshit

No.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:16:50 am
Archers before the Nerf (Buff of a 2hers Opinion) almost never aimed for the head. Archers needed to do Headshots to do some damage.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 27, 2012, 01:17:36 am
Bullshit


this guy is obviously a newb who couldn't get kills in a shooter so now plays ranged in a melee game
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 27, 2012, 01:20:09 am
Today I was playing with colossus, weimar helmet + gothic plate, on EU6. Sent one arrow in his head and 4 in his body from close range ... he refused to die. 6 PD standard hornbow and MW bodkins.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 01:20:53 am
No.

I have a mw longbow and sharp bodkins, and yes.

Learn to play the damn game! If anything ranged needs to be buffed, not nerfed more.


this guy is obviously a newb who couldn't get kills in a shooter so now plays ranged in a melee game

edit: And crpg, is NOT supposed to be a melee game mate, even if meleers are heavely favoured as it is!

I've been mainly an archer since warband first came out in beta.

Archers before the Nerf (Buff of a 2hers Opinion) almost never aimed for the head. Archers needed to do Headshots to do some damage.

Only high accuracy builds can do that efficiently, and then those builds dont do nearly enought damage.


Seriously, someone lock this thread. This issue has been discussed in countless other threads and it usually comes down to the same trolling bullcrap than a real discussion on class ballance.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:21:22 am

this guy is obviously a newb who couldn't get kills in a shooter so now plays ranged in a melee game
MEELE GAME?! Wtf umad IF this would be a Meele Game they wouldn't implent any Ranged Weapons.

Hilarious. It's like u would say lol at all those Gun users in Cod its a meele game with only using knife.


Only high accuracy builds can do that efficiently, and then those builds dont do nearly enought damage.



Yea an Archer needs to sacrifice Athletics to be accurate and do Headshots easily
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:21:56 am
Archers before the Nerf (Buff of a 2hers Opinion) almost never aimed for the head. Archers needed to do Headshots to do some damage.

See? Our head armor was useful because you didn't aim there. Now all you do is 1 shot everyone with headshots only, because it does insane amount of damage.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 01:23:19 am
Close this thread please ADMINS.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 01:23:49 am
nerf!
Quote
Nerf archery.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 01:24:28 am
See? Our head armor was useful because you didn't aim there. Now all you do is 1 shot everyone with headshots only, because it does insane amount of damage.

Just make a few simple tests, before spouting trash.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:24:31 am
Close this thread please ADMINS.

Yeah, close the "truth".
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 01:25:10 am
Archers are good whiners when we are talking about nerf, thats why they get what they want  :wink:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on May 27, 2012, 01:25:50 am
Today I was playing with colossus, weimar helmet + gothic plate, on EU6. Sent one arrow in his head and 4 in his body from close range ... he refused to die. 6 PD standard hornbow and MW bodkins.

And this is bad... why?

A 6 ps melee user wouldn't do much more damage with the same setting, plus he's actually taking a risk.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:25:59 am
See? Our head armor was useful because you didn't aim there. Now all you do is 1 shot everyone with headshots only, because it does insane amount of damage.

Yea but u QQers still cried about a Nerf... Then Archers got Nerfed, they got used to the Nerf and  seriously Try to be an Archer and only aim for the head (Luck shots taken out)

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 01:26:06 am
Yea an Archer needs to sacrifice Athletics to be accurate and do Headshots easily

I have no athletics and I can only headshoot easy stargets at medium range.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:27:19 am
I have no athletics and I can only headshoot easy stargets at medium range.
That's what I mean.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:27:35 am
Archers are good whiners thats why they get what they want  :wink:

Well, I just want my head armor to be USEFUL again against ranged, like in the old times. People use head armor for a reason, not for just the looks. I pay 470 gold upkeep for a helm that does not protect against ranged shit effectively. (It did in the old times.)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 01:28:14 am
Close this thread please ADMINS.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 01:29:02 am
Mod is already dead, Lets kill it forever by Buffing Archery   :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 01:29:53 am
Seriously, these kinds of trolling threads are starting to hurt my head.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 01:30:27 am
Seriously, these kinds of trolling threads are starting to destroying my head.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:30:59 am
Well, I just want my head armor to be USEFUL again against ranged, like in the old times. People use head armor for a reason, not for just the looks. I pay 470 gold upkeep for a helm that does not protect against ranged shit effectively.

It's hard to  hit the head and when u got lucky and hit the head (wich means hours of practicing with the bow to get used to the missile speed etc.) u should 1 hit or 2 hit.

I rly recommend trying to play as an Archer.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on May 27, 2012, 01:31:53 am
Been there done that, its not that hard.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Rebelyell on May 27, 2012, 01:32:28 am
THAT  TOPIC IS

POINT LESS

and no one will look at you'r pool because you are mostly crying kids,

after 2 years of plaing that mod I have enought evrydayragetopic and nerffthaandthatfest
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 27, 2012, 01:32:55 am
And this is bad... why?

A 6 ps melee user wouldn't do much more damage with the same setting, plus he's actually taking a risk.

Its showing that "headarmor is useless because everyone oneshots me now" is bullshit. Another whine thread to make crpg more handicapped accessible melee friendly.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on May 27, 2012, 01:33:59 am
Melee is what makes the game in my opinion, much more fun than shooting.

Edit: Insulting melee players I see.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:34:11 am
Been there done that, its not that hard.

Harder than Meele. Sure not taking a risk but there is coldblooded Cav riding around.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:34:32 am
Its showing that "headarmor is useless because everyone oneshots me now" is bullshit. Another whine thread to make crpg more handicapped accessible melee friendly.

Not just me, technically, everyone. Except full loomed plate full str build guys, maybe.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:36:04 am
Not just me, technically, everyone. Except full loomed plate full str build guys, maybe.

He means that its Bullshit that ''Fact'' that Headarmor is useless. I think...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 01:38:44 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rxTbdj2c61c#t=24s
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 27, 2012, 01:39:02 am
He means that its Bullshit that ''Fact'' that Headarmor is useless. I think...

Exactly. And I think he wanted to say that its not just him who gets oneshotted by bows.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2012, 01:39:58 am
nerf!
Remove kiting, then buff damage, then buff armor vs projectiles to make head armor matter more...
...then go nerf yourself kuyak my old friend.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:43:26 am
Death to the Kuyak-Cloaks!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:44:33 am
Death to the Kuyak-Cloaks!

Kuyaks are ugly xD.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 01:45:51 am
MEELE GAME?! Wtf umad IF this would be a Meele Game they wouldn't implent any Ranged Weapons.

Hilarious. It's like u would say lol at all those Gun users in Cod its a meele game with only using knife.

would be more FUN if it was only melee game
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:46:36 am
would be more FUN if it was only melee game
Join EU Meele.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 01:48:13 am
Join EU Meele.
i want melee siege and rageball you NUB
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2012, 01:49:19 am
would be more FUN if it was only melee game
Go melee server you kuyak my old friend.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:49:37 am
i want melee siege and rageball you NUB
no u

HAHA Meele Siege I would join there Only for seing light Armor users Raging about Tincan Players.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 01:49:55 am
develop your own melee mod :!: :!: :!:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:50:01 am
Exactly. And I think he wanted to say that its not just him who gets oneshotted by bows.

Head armor was useful in the past, it isn't now. And yea, I have 21 str 7 if and they 1 shot me, hilarious. Giving ranged this "more damage on headshots" buff made everything worse and I thought that archery was pretty balanced at that time before this buff.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 01:50:47 am
Go melee server you kuyak my old friend.
mmm i dont wear kuyak and you say go melee server you my old friend that means that you are a gay archer
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:52:42 am
Head armor was useful in the past, it isn't now. And yea, I have 21 str 7 if and they 1 shot me, hilarious. Giving ranged this "more damage on headshots" buff made everything worse and I thought that archery was pretty balanced at that time before this buff.
Then ur like the only 2her who tought that Archery was Balanced at that time. ( Even I was scared of my power with 10 pd MW Long Bow and MW Bodkins killing Lordly oldschcool Blackarmor in 4 hits.)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 01:54:48 am
Then ur like the only 2her who tought that Archery was Balanced at that time. ( Even I was scared of my power with 10 pd MW Long Bow and MW Bodkins killing Lordly oldschcool Blackarmor in 4 hits.)

Well, the difference between MW and standard is big, I have no problem with that. Surviving 4 body shots from a setup like that is pretty nice imo.

Also, you were an str archer, you didn't run around like a fucking chicken I think, so no problem either.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 27, 2012, 01:55:38 am
nerf!

Minus this bitch and lets get it over -10!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:56:57 am
Minus this bitch and lets get it over -10!
LETz GET zeh MINUSING BEGIIIIN!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 01:58:02 am
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Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 27, 2012, 01:59:38 am
It's Gnjus!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2012, 02:06:06 am
mmm i dont wear kuyak and you say go melee server you my old friend that means that you are a gay archer
I'm a horsethrower, you're a gay kuyak my old friend  who wants everyone else to be kuyak my old friends.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 27, 2012, 02:06:15 am
How about save c-rpg ban you. Oh and cav, BAN CAV!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2012, 02:07:33 am
How about save c-rpg ban you. Oh and cav, BAN CAV!
I'd 1+ if you wasn't hating on my horsie.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 02:10:07 am
I'm a horsethrower, you're a gay kuyak my old friend  who wants everyone else to be kuyak my old friends.
Oke for so far i know you can't read english cause i said i don't wear kuyak retard
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OprahTheBear on May 27, 2012, 03:03:10 am
Hey guys, there's a class that counters my 2-handed armor crutching build. Let's remove it from the game.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2012, 03:11:34 am
Oke for so far i know you can't read english cause i said i don't wear kuyak retard
You are a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 03:24:55 am
You are a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.
3 str one hander mmmm still that stupid ?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2012, 03:36:06 am
3 str one hander mmmm still that stupid ?
You are STILL a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 27, 2012, 03:48:59 am
I'd be willing to bet that most of the people asking for an archery nerf haven't played a gen as an archer anytime recent.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Rebelyell on May 27, 2012, 04:13:18 am
I'd be willing to bet that most of the people asking for an archery nerf haven't played a gen as an archer anytime recent.
THIS
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: rustyspoon on May 27, 2012, 06:40:37 am
If anything, archery could use some normalized, consistent damage. It either does no damage or a fuck-ton. Something in the middle would be nice.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Son Of Odin on May 27, 2012, 06:45:12 am
Post thread about nerfing ranged => fucking 5 pages instantly.

Post thread about nerfing something else => takes ages to get 5 pages but the discussion is much more civilized.

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Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: ZigZag on May 27, 2012, 08:03:56 am
You should try the ZigZag dance sometime and lock this topic.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: _Sebastian_ on May 27, 2012, 09:16:47 am
nerf!
Nerf Ad1no the troll king first.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 27, 2012, 09:29:53 am
Everyone against nerfing ranged are obvious troll players

ranged  was buffed

mod pop goes down

NERF RANGED

and hope they return

nuff said
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 27, 2012, 10:15:59 am
You are STILL a twohander kuyak on the inside, regardless whether you've jumped out the closet wearing a 3+ danish greatsword and using a kuyak yet.
Still a no
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Smoothrich on May 27, 2012, 10:31:54 am
Here's my, and I bet a great deal of player's reactions to this mod when they take a break to play other games and want to give cRPG a go.

1.  See that the server population is half of what it used to be in primetime.

2.  Notice all the good and fun to play with melee players have quit the game and probably won't come back

3.  Notice the only players still on:  kiting archers and throwers

4. Try to play the game, every enemy you try to engage runs away even STR build throwers, get shot to death from 8 directions by archers and throwers

5. Leave the server, not come back
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on May 27, 2012, 10:52:23 am
Free mod that you are not forced to play?
Complain about it to no end.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: tankmen on May 27, 2012, 11:23:18 am
Free mod that you are not forced to play?
Complain about it to no end.
because it was a fun free mod, we complain for what was lost and will never be returned
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 11:30:22 am
If archers are such a plague to play against, why do they have crap scores? I also GTX alot, mainly because archery is awful to play as.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 11:30:58 am
Close PLEAZE
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bosco on May 27, 2012, 11:34:21 am
If archers are such a plague to play against, why do they have crap scores? I also GTX alot, mainly because archery is awful to play as.

You don't have to top the scoreboard to be the #1 rage reason.

Let's say melee catches two arrows while trying to get even close to enemy melee, down to 20% health already. Long spear stab abuser hits once, melee dead. Archer doesn't get credit for the kill. :wink:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 11:40:28 am
Its not fine now. If kitting is the problem complain about that specificly, dont hate on ranged in general. Seriously though, archers are supposed to hurt from a distance, how would you possibly fix that without removing the class or making it unplayable?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on May 27, 2012, 11:54:54 am
Its not fine now. If kitting is the problem complain about that specificly, dont hate on ranged in general. Seriously though, archers are supposed to hurt from a distance, how would you possibly fix that without removing the class or making it unplayable?

Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Visconti on May 27, 2012, 12:03:45 pm
Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.

+1
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bjarky on May 27, 2012, 12:05:25 pm
also diablo 3, nuff said  :wink:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 12:10:28 pm
Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.

I agree entirely.
But what if I suggest reworking the accuracy penalty from armor, so that ranged can be efficient in melee and wear decent armor, being slowed down in the process to the point we can't kite efficiently?
Would you meleers ever agree to a ranged buff that would give us the option to change fighting styles to something other than kitting? I mean, if you're so confident with your melee builds you shouldn't have trouble with half-assed ranged meleers in close range, right?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Peasant_Woman on May 27, 2012, 12:22:40 pm
Part of the problem is ranged scales far better the more of them there are, while melee seem to reach a critical mass of effectiveness before they start getting in each others way during the fight.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Beauchamp on May 27, 2012, 12:35:46 pm
the change everybody called for - nerf archery damage to the bodies and limbs, increase to the head - led most of the archers to respec from slow STR hard hitting builds to AGI fast kiting headshot builds.

i dunno what is the pop now, haven't played for like 3 weeks.

but i assume diablo III came out so i'm not really sure if archery is here the only thing to blame. there always were kiting archers even before when pop on servers was reaching its cap. also the mod is very old, if you're new to the game, you have almost no chance to get any kills unless you go for some sort of ranged. complete absence of any newbie servers ruins the game for new guys, only a very few hc based gamers are able to keep up until they skill up.

sooner (or later) the mod will die, it just has to be like that. imo chadz knows about it so he rather makes some scifi game instead.

the best thing imo would be to revert archery back (increase damage to the body by a lot) and reduce ammount of arrows u can take into a battle by a lot. this would make STR builds for archery more viable -> less athletics -> less kiting.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2012, 03:44:13 pm
the change everybody called for - nerf archery damage to the bodies and limbs, increase to the head - led most of the archers to respec from slow STR hard hitting builds to AGI fast kiting headshot builds.

i dunno what is the pop now, haven't played for like 3 weeks.

but i assume diablo III came out so i'm not really sure if archery is here the only thing to blame. there always were kiting archers even before when pop on servers was reaching its cap. also the mod is very old, if you're new to the game, you have almost no chance to get any kills unless you go for some sort of ranged. complete absence of any newbie servers ruins the game for new guys, only a very few hc based gamers are able to keep up until they skill up.

sooner (or later) the mod will die, it just has to be like that. imo chadz knows about it so he rather makes some scifi game instead.

the best thing imo would be to revert archery back (increase damage to the body by a lot) and reduce ammount of arrows u can take into a battle by a lot. this would make STR builds for archery more viable -> less athletics -> less kiting.

And that's the problem, they were slow but strong (which is ok), now they are strong and fast (totally not ok). I didn't want this ridiculous buff for them, it was already in when I started playing crpg again....
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 03:51:20 pm
That patch was reverted. We no longer deal tons of damage to the head and shit to the body, now all the builds are viable in some way. And for the record, 2 slot bows are slow as hell and the others deal crap damage, they've always beenlike that. Learn the game.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on May 27, 2012, 04:35:32 pm
Current balance isn't bad, but I don't like it.

Would like to see everything reverted back to how it was before upkeep (just balance, upkeep can stay). With slight adjustments like Meow's suggestion for STR builds (no HP per level but IF gives +4 HP and no free wpf) and with current wpf system (pre upkeep it was kinda crazy). Also they should buff damage output for all ranged classes but remove armor piercing from all projectiles. That change could bring back:

- armored archers with melee weapons
- tincans whose armour worth something
- strong ranged hybrids and stronger pure builds
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 04:51:18 pm
The devs wanted hibrid builds to go, and there won't be any armored archers so long as this wpf penalty remains. That's the problem, archers are encouraged to wear light armor and to kite as a consequence.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Renegat on May 27, 2012, 05:23:34 pm
Hello, i'll also give my opinion :D
According to me, the problem is not archer's damages, but the amount of archers on servers. Nowadays, each time i connect on EU_1, i see more archers (and ranged in general) + cav than infantry (1h + 2h + pole), which is far from being realistic, and also far from being fun for infantry, which should be the main class in such a game ...

The main problem is then the lack of attractivity of infantry. Indeed, as a 1 hander, you are effective (or should be) against archers ... But when their arrows don't go through your shield, they just run and you fastly get surround by ennemies. You can also be pretty effective against 2h and pole, if you're good ... So there is no point to start a 1h+shield if you are a newbie (you can just avoid being headshot during the first 2 minutes thanks to your shield).
As a 2 hander, you can be efficient against pole/1h/1h cav. But they are weak against archers and lancers (except when the lancer is shit).
As a pole (not counting pikemen here), it's pretty similar to 2h.

So now, what's the point in being a 1h/2h/pole if you can't do shit against ranged and cav? More and more poeple are quiting infantry to become a lancer, an archer or a pikemen. As a result, we have an upsurge of archers/pikemen/cav number, while the amount of infantry is going down.
That's why, now, we have rage threads about archers (archers body damages are ok imo, just so easy to headshot) or cav. (The amount of pikemen on EU_1 is also a problem imo but that's not the subject here).

I'm not for nerfing cav or archers (maybe long spears, there speed and damages are just insane :p), but for buffing whole infantry, to make this class more attractive and urge poeple on respecing as infantry.

And please, don't say me that cav and archers are countering themselves ... Archers prefer shooting inf than cav because they are easier target and they also never shoot horse ( yes, if they kill the horse, another one will have the time to shoot/kill the guy who fell down and they won't have the kill :( ). And cav refrain from charging archers (except if they are alone, but you don't often see lonely archers on a battlefield) cause it's more risky than charging infantry.

PS: Also, don't say me that i don't know what i'm talking about, i have an archer alt and i even respeced as an archer 1 month ago (and remain an archer 3 weeks). I also respeced 2 months ago as a lancer, and have remained a lancer for 1 month.

Well, i hope someone important will read that, maybe would it give him some ideas for the next patch :p
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Mlekce on May 27, 2012, 05:35:15 pm
Seriously though, archers are supposed to be soldiers with decent armor, a very good sidearm and correct melee training. Because they do fight in melee. They aren't however supposed to be mosquitos pretending they are peasants in rags with sniper rifles.
Archers were peasants and criminals who couldn't buy good weapons and armors like swords,horses... so they are totaly fine now.
Why should archer have armor when he shoot at ppl from distance?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Mlekce on May 27, 2012, 05:37:56 pm
i would say shielders are underpowered,except pick and warhammer all their weapons are crap. Every sword bounce of heavy armor,short reach,easily you get surrounded by enemies,totaly fustrating class to play. I tried to play as shielder for like 3-4 times and i always rage respeced.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ronin on May 27, 2012, 05:39:48 pm
Archers were peasants and criminals who couldn't buy good weapons and armors like swords,horses... so they are totaly fine now.
Why should archer have armor when he shoot at ppl from distance?
Not all of them were lightly armed peasants. We have loads of kuyak guys, how would you respond if I would say infantry were only criminals and conscripts who only got a club or a rusty sword. So they should wear only light gear and cavalry was the only type of class that were used by nobles and high tier troops? That would be accurate because there were some criminals and conscripts are like that being pushed to the frontal combat. But that would not reflect all the reality. You mister, mislead other people without lying.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 05:40:31 pm
Why the hell are people saying that meleers are changing and leaving? Im just back from EU 1 and over 70% had pure melee builds. Archers and cav are still a minority! FFS you people just wont stop complaining until archers are as pointless as this thread!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Butan on May 27, 2012, 05:56:56 pm
Thing is when people talk about % of population of classes, they fail to understand that a lot of players arent playing EVERYDAY, lots of players have ONE or TWO alternative character (or more), players divide themselves upon MULTIPLE servers!

So when people complain about an overpopulation of one class or another; and from this so called observation often come the talk of "THIS CLASS IS TOO POWERFUL, NERF IT", they dont understand that: players come and go, randomly, and everyday the servers consist of a different % of melee/archer/cavalry/etc... THIS IS THE FLAVOR OF THE GAME ! You cant balance people out (except by score and team against team), it will always evolve with every individuals actions.

Ofc one can still make some observation as how things are changing everyday, but why use this argument to convince a class is too fragile or powerful?

If a server is full of cavalry at one time, melee/archers will have a tough time.
If a server is full of archers, cav/melee will have a tough time.
If a server is full of melee, cav/archers will have a tough time.
If a server is full of thrower, god forbid it happens.


I feel its much better to play and try to be aware of your team's strong points and weakness, same for the ennemy team, and try to adapt your behavior to win; and this repeat at each round and this is what I call fun.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Renegat on May 27, 2012, 06:32:17 pm
Why the hell are people saying that meleers are changing and leaving? Im just back from EU 1 and over 70% had pure melee builds. Archers and cav are still a minority! FFS you people just wont stop complaining until archers are as pointless as this thread!

Well, i play crpg a lot, so it's not that difficult to notice how crpg population since i started to play ...
Of course the % of ranged and cav is constantly changing because poeple sometimes play on alts and so on, but you can't denie that there is much more cav and ranged in general than some times ago. I'm not, of course, counting how many archers and cav there are each time i connect. That's just the feeling i have when i watch my team on spawn when the round begin.

And adamar, the only pointless thing here is your post, i tried to give some arguments and prop up my view while you just say how useless is my opinion without even giving one argument to prove it.
Try to think 2 seconds, would there be that many rage threads about archers if there were no problem?
And also try to read properly my post, i havn't even asked for an archer nerf ...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Mlekce on May 27, 2012, 06:42:23 pm
Not all of them were lightly armed peasants. We have loads of kuyak guys, how would you respond if I would say infantry were only criminals and conscripts who only got a club or a rusty sword. So they should wear only light gear and cavalry was the only type of class that were used by nobles and high tier troops? That would be accurate because there were some criminals and conscripts are like that being pushed to the frontal combat. But that would not reflect all the reality. You mister, mislead other people without lying.

Not true. There was slave,very poor peasants,criminals  forces that were armed with sticks,rusty swords,tridents and they were used to attack the first,so the rich knights can go and fight after peasants get first line.
Cav vas for richest,but inf were well armed too. Inf had armors,please don't tell me that cav only had armors and normal swords? :D
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 07:13:32 pm
And adamar, the only pointless thing here is your post, i tried to give some arguments and prop up my view while you just say how useless is my opinion without even giving one argument to prove it.
Try to think 2 seconds, would there be that many rage threads about archers if there were no problem?
And also try to read properly my post, i havn't even asked for an archer nerf ...

My argument was precisely what I saw on EU1, read again.
People have have always had a problem with archers, even during the 1.60 nerf where the class became nearly useless, meleers insisted on more nerfs! The problem is no one likes to get shot, its annoying and it was the same in real life I bet. This is supposed to be a medieval game, so there should be ranged and ranged should be able to kill at least.

Not true. There was slave,very poor peasants,criminals  forces that were armed with sticks,rusty swords,tridents and they were used to attack the first,so the rich knights can go and fight after peasants get first line.
Cav vas for richest,but inf were well armed too. Inf had armors,please don't tell me that cav only had armors and normal swords? :D

 Its true that archers where comoners, and there are plenty of historical portrayals of high medieval archers wearing medium armor and good helmets, regardless of their social condition. I assume lords wanted their troops to be efficient, if it could be afforded.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Havoco on May 27, 2012, 07:18:43 pm
there's already a 66 page nerf range thread in game balance discussion. We don't need another one in general discussion
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 27, 2012, 07:28:27 pm
there's already a 66 page nerf range thread in game balance discussion. We don't need another one in general discussion
+1 million pls
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bigsean on May 27, 2012, 07:32:46 pm
You guys need to stop basing archery balance off of the handful of players who can get a 2:1 ratio with a bow. The majority of archers out there can barely keep up a 1:1, it takes a lot of skill points and time invested to become good at this. Encouraging hybrids would just lead to more players carrying a bow as a sidearm -> more archers. As well, these good archers probably have their weapons loomed, why can't they get a few kills with those? Archers without looms typically suffer in comparison.

Archery is a natural balance for cav, and it currently stands that it takes 4-5 unloomed tatar's to bring down most cav. Heaven forbid they bring plated chargers, in that case it'll take 6+. Sure we can switch to bodkins, but that's a huge money sink for non-veteran players and unloomed bodkins still will take 4-5 shots. Also, even landing your shot on a fast moving target isn't always easy, especially for non-veteran archers.

Semi-decent cav players can get 3:1, or even 4:1 ratios and excellent melee players can achieve that as well. But if an archer comes anywhere close, people will whine. Even then, this is only really possible for most by targeting the weakest players or stealing kills.

Again, archery needs to be considered on the whole. Yes, a group of archers will be deadly. But so will a pack of cavalry, or a pack of melee. Did you see what happened before the nerf was semi-reverted? Cavalry absolutely dominated the servers and yet, only archers were the ones calling for balance. Overall, I would argue that archery could use a slight buff in damage, but that would just cause people to whine more as the best archers move up the scoreboard. Overall, I think things are some what fine where they are.

edit: Haven't you also noticed that a lot of places where archers used to hang out in older maps are now gone (rocks and such)? They make it harder for archers all the time and force archers to adjust, and then you guys complain when they do. Just shut the fuck up and play already.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 07:49:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdr9CtkAkm8

bit rich?

 :wink:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 07:53:48 pm
Funny stuff
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 27, 2012, 09:15:33 pm
DURR HURR WHY CAN'T MY 24/15 BUILD WEARING KUYAK CATCH THE ARCHERS THAT ARE 15/24 WEARING LEATHER IT'S NOT FAIR WAAAA

I have a melee fighter with 15/24.  8 Ath ensures that no archer ever gets to kite me.  I just lol as they stumble away from me and I leap at them, splitting their heads in twain.  If you can't catch them, DON'T CHASE THEM.  It's rather obvious.  If an archer gets you down to 20% hp before you even get into the fray, DON'T GO INTO THE FRAY.  Hang back, wait for more people to die, and then move in when it's more like 10v10 and not 25v25. 

But above all, when fighting archers... USE A GOD DAMNED SHIELD YOU IDIOTS.  WTF IS AN ARCHER GOING TO DO WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR SHIELD... THAT'S RIGHT, THEY'RE GONNA RUN AWAY.  BUT THEY WON'T BE SHOOTING YOU OR YOUR BUDDIES, AND FOR THEN, HE'S SCARED OFF.

Do you really want 2h with heavy armor and 3-5 ath to be able to catch up to and kill archers who wear very little armor and have 5-8 ath?

and everyone crying about archer headshots killing people are idiots.  Headshots are usually difficult unless you're close, and if you're close and you MISS that headshot, the fighter WILL catch you and kill you, and unless you have a PD of >5 a headshot won't kill anyone with a helmet.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 09:26:39 pm
Shhh dont poke the trolls, let the thread die.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 09:28:43 pm
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Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 27, 2012, 09:29:50 pm
Keep - that bundle of sticks 1st post!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arathian on May 27, 2012, 09:46:25 pm
As a full strength mauler, the closest archers have to a free kill, and never have nor intend to play archery I have to say this:

BUFF ARCHERY. Especially archery, maybe less xbows or leave them as is but BUFF archery. They are extremely inaccurate and can be countered by almost every class except 2h. And seriously, buff horse archery, srs. It needs a big bloody buff.

Archery does some job the first ~2 mins but when the melee die and they get targeted they are essentially screwed. A class with a expiration date is not a good one.

My suggestion would be to add low damage penetrating arrows that while won't do much, they will bump the enemy even if he covers himself + do a lot of structural damage + buff the rest of the bow (or arrow) damage overall but slightly reduce headshot damage. That would, I think would help a class that DESERVES more.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bilwit on May 27, 2012, 09:49:18 pm
It's not so much that it needs nerfing, just that there's too many assholes who play ranged.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 09:52:04 pm
Make head armor useful againts ranged......it is completely useless now that they do more damage on headshots..... Before this buff it was still possible to headshot people with good head armor, but it did protect us, not like now.  The head armor is there for protection so don't go TROLL on us. It's such a BS that they 1 shot me with 53 head armor.

True story:

Me
Weapon: Mighty Morningstar
Swing: 41 pierce
Powerstrike: 6
Attack Direction: Overhead
Opponent: Druzhina_Pewpewrpgbun (Nebun)
Opponents Head armor: None
Swings Needed: 2
Result: Mod is dead

He
Weapon: +3 Bow I guess and +3 arrows
PD: Dunno
Opponent: Me
Opponent Head armor: 60 (+3 Winged Great Helm)
Shots Needed: 1
Result: Mod is dead

Are you thinking about looming head armor? Nice joke.

Imagine smashing a morningstar into somebodys unprotected head, do they still stand? No, probably not.
Imagine wearing a thick steel helmet and some silly arrows hit it, chance of still standing? High, I reckon.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 09:55:33 pm
Yeah, my old friendcher can one shot you by shooting in ur head even when you have 7 IF with 63 head armor, but my 49C mighty Great long bardiche with 10 ps doesn't kill an archer with overhead swing, who doesn't have  head armor, And then he can run away and kite me as always.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 09:57:04 pm
That was a huge glitch if true.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 09:59:10 pm
That was a huge glitch if true.

Can you quote what you think is a glitch?

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 27, 2012, 09:59:19 pm
That was a huge glitch if true.
So about 80% of times Archers are saved by glitch?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 10:01:14 pm
So about 80% of times Archers are saved by glitch?

lol +1

some people just can't admit the truth about their class...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: zottlmarsch on May 27, 2012, 10:09:09 pm
27 Strength, 7 Ironflesh, 61 Head Armor (+3 Hounskull)

Can pretty much survive any melee weapon to the head, however I can't remember the last time I was shot in the head by an arrow and survived  :o
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 27, 2012, 10:11:21 pm
 Cuz u noobs are being shot by +3 Longbows and +3 Rus Bows with 7-8PD and +3 Bodkins that's why!

It's not Horn Bow or weaker! Stop QQ-ing!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: zottlmarsch on May 27, 2012, 10:12:18 pm
Cuz u noobs are being shot by +3 Longbows and +3 Rus Bows with 7-8PD and +3 Bodkins that's why!

It's not Horn Bow or weaker! Stop QQ-ing!

Yet our +3 Melee weapons have trouble killing silly archers (with no helms) when we smash them on their heads?  :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 10:14:01 pm
Cuz u noobs are being shot by +3 Longbows and +3 Rus Bows with 7-8PD and +3 Bodkins that's why!

It's not Horn Bow or weaker! Stop QQ-ing!

lol man, you do talk some BS dude...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 10:24:36 pm
lol +1

some people just can't admit the truth about their class...

The truth is we get 1 hit killed all the time, due to having crap armor. Are you guys saying that archers have some kind of magical forcefield that makes them more resilient than inf? Any more 'truths' like these?

BTW, a tested FACT is that my +3 longbow and +2 bodkins doesn't garantee an headshot kill. Tincans and people with good helmets survive a lot. Dare I say, at least once a day a guy walks out bloodied from one of my arrows to the head. You guys would be taken more seriously if you had made some research on the matter, and didn't made so many absurd claims, because the devs know their engine.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on May 27, 2012, 10:30:21 pm
People with a lot of HP can survive headshots. People with less than 70 HP can wear any helmet they want, they won't survive headshots.

Smart archers "abuse" footwork to force melee to glance on them. And then keep running. And running. And running. And running. And running. And sometimes I catch them and kill them :D

Sadly, after all that wasted time, my useless team is already dead and I have to try my luck against 15 enemy fighters...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 10:34:38 pm
The truth is we get 1 hit killed all the time, due to having crap armor (not our problem bro, that's your choice. We pay upkeep on massive great helms just to get 1 hitted trolololo). Are you guys saying that archers have some kind of magical forcefield that makes them more resilient than inf? Any more 'truths' like these? (no just that already like 5 people have given similar accounts like i did in this thread)

BTW, a tested FACT is that my +3 longbow and +2 bodkins doesn't garantee an headshot kill. Tincans and people with good helmets survive a lot. Dare I say, at least once a day a guy walks out bloodied from one of my arrows to the head. You guys would be taken more seriously if you had made some research on the matter, and didn't made so many absurd claims, because the devs know their engine.

Claims lol?

Devs know their engine lol?

These are just random claims.

I get my facts from the battlefield bro, not some silly tests on duel server.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 27, 2012, 10:35:35 pm
lol man, you do talk some BS dude...

Yet our +3 Melee weapons have trouble killing silly archers (with no helms) when we smash them on their heads?  :lol:

Okay, let's assume you're facing an archer with 21 STR and maybe 2 IF or 24 STR and 1-2.


With the 21 STR and 2 IF archer he/she got 60 HP. And other build 63 HP.  That means 60-63 HP for you to take down.

And then let's assume you got 6 PS and +3 Morningstar. That's 41 Pierce + All PS dmg which might make it close to 60 pierce dmg probably (according to dmg calc). And even then it sometimes derps because of weird angles etc etc...

And if you hit them in the head and they survive they have MOST likely 1-5 HP left (MAX 5).

And a +3 Longbow with +3 Bodkins and 7 PD Approx 70 pierce dmg and then we're not even counting headshot dmg. And hell, if they do 8 PS build it's even worse (lots of my old friendchers are +30 lvls.


So it's not that surprising tbh.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Juhanius on May 27, 2012, 10:35:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 10:38:53 pm
I get my facts from the battlefield bro, not some silly tests on duel server.

I test my weapons in combat too mate, not in duel.

Now, was that overhead hit a glance or not? Lets hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI

Realism was never much of an argument here, or we'd end up with op archers instead of this trash.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on May 27, 2012, 10:39:34 pm
I test my weapons in combat too mate, not in duel.

Now, was that overhead hit a glance or not? Lets hear it.

Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 27, 2012, 10:42:33 pm
Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?

lol
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 27, 2012, 10:44:46 pm
Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?

?

Neither.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: POOPHAMMER on May 28, 2012, 04:32:59 am
Here's my, and I bet a great deal of player's reactions to this mod when they take a break to play other games and want to give cRPG a go.

1.  See that the server population is half of what it used to be in primetime.

2.  Notice all the good and fun to play with melee players have quit the game and probably won't come back

3.  Notice the only players still on:  kiting archers and throwers

4. Try to play the game, every enemy you try to engage runs away even STR build throwers, get shot to death from 8 directions by archers and throwers

5. Leave the server, not come back

sounds like what happened to me yesterday
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: San on May 28, 2012, 05:54:47 am
I counted 3 shielders on my team of 30 including me for a while on NA1. If you go shielder with a spear on your back to ward off cav, you can get into melee action without much difficulty.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Falka on May 28, 2012, 07:43:31 am
People with a lot of HP can survive headshots. People with less than 70 HP can wear any helmet they want, they won't survive headshots.

That's not true. With 66 hp and 52 head armor I survived hundreds of headshots.

Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?

Slv uses Rusbow not longbow.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Schild en Vriend on May 28, 2012, 10:47:29 am
Sure, let's nerf Bows and buff shields & armor, this will improve the gameplay!
/sarcasm
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on May 28, 2012, 11:49:39 am
Sure lets buff archery, that'll be a great addition to the game.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 28, 2012, 01:31:11 pm
This thread is not about buffing archery.  I think archery is fine.  It does not need a nerf, that is all.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 28, 2012, 02:30:29 pm
This thread is not about buffing archery.  I think archery is fine.  It does not need a nerf, that is all.

It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 28, 2012, 03:14:33 pm
It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.

Would sooner or later lead to even more kiting builds I guess. If you intend to take away the possibility to oneshot for archers, the last reason to stand the ground and not running away immediatly is gone.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 28, 2012, 03:37:38 pm
I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5pD horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms.  That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it.  Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 7ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone.  I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 28, 2012, 03:43:56 pm
how can you use bow with ps? and with 8 pd* you cant hit any head anyway.


- arrowbloods useless posts-
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 28, 2012, 03:48:12 pm
I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5ps horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms.  That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it.  Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 8ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone.  I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.

Couched lance to the head isn't even guaranteed 1 shot (trust me, enough people have survived that attack for it to be mentioned)

Really, no single attack from any class or weapon on this mod should be "guaranteed" to 1 hit headshot an enemy, that's just a ridiculous idea rendering any kind of helmet or loomed helmet useless especially seeing as there is so much ranged about too.

Lets either do a) what momo said:
It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.

or b) give my old friendchers better melee options so they can stop kiting/headshotting etc etc.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zerobot1 on May 28, 2012, 03:54:20 pm
Well you say head armour is useless but you're only talking projectiles, I'm sure your helmet comes in handy in melee when someone hits your head.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 28, 2012, 03:59:36 pm
Well you say head armour is useless but you're only talking projectiles, I'm sure your helmet comes in handy in melee when someone hits your head.

Yes it does help against melee but that doesn't mean that my big old bucket which encloses my whole head and took me 3 gens to complete shouldn't suddenly be made of silk when a stray arrow hits it  :?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: rustyspoon on May 28, 2012, 04:04:16 pm
THE CRPG LIFE CYCLE

1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Ranged players go back to infantry.
7. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.

THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: BlueKnight on May 28, 2012, 04:05:31 pm
Today I was playing with colossus, weimar helmet + gothic plate, on EU6. Sent one arrow in his head and 4 in his body from close range ... he refused to die. 6 PD standard hornbow and MW bodkins.

If it was real life ( I KNOW IT IS NOT ) You wouldn't kill him even if you used all your arrows. Lack of penetration because of a not-so-strong bow would make arrows just dent the plate or even penetrate it, but then the arrows wouldn't penetrate gambeson that was worn under the armour because arrows would have too small energy.

THE CRPG LIFE CYCLE

1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Ranged players go back to infantry.
7. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.

THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!

If people were changing classes so often there would be hardly any people with a lot of crafting skills in strategus.
Also people usually play the class they like the most and I don't think they are trying to conform so much because they would have to trade a lot to get cool loomed stuff.
Maybe your cycle sounds sensibly but I think it's not really true.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 28, 2012, 04:06:19 pm
1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Archers whine.
7.Ranged gets buff.
8. Even more archers.
9. At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square.  :wink:
Fixd
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Post by: bigsean on May 28, 2012, 04:58:31 pm
I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5pD horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms.  That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it.  Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 8ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone.  I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.

Holy shit people, seriously stop posting if you don't know anything about archery. A 8 PD build is garbage, completely inaccurate and NO ONE (serious) uses it.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 28, 2012, 05:08:47 pm
Holy shit people, seriously stop posting if you don't know anything about archery. A 8 PD build is garbage, completely inaccurate and NO ONE (serious) uses it.

lol, makes the whole headshot thing even more ridiculous if this is true :3
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 28, 2012, 05:13:19 pm
Holy shit people, seriously stop posting if you don't know anything about archery. A 8 PD build is garbage, completely inaccurate and NO ONE (serious) uses it.

Should be 7 pd.  I was thinking 1 more than the requirement, and for some reason I thought Rus/Yumi/Longbow were 7 pd.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 28, 2012, 05:13:21 pm
Unless it's a really (keyword ---->) 'FUN' build (usually troll build) i can't see how people can play 2 years or 1.5 years or whatever and only play the same class as some have done.


Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 28, 2012, 05:59:33 pm
1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Archers whine.
7.Ranged gets buff.
8. Even more archers.
Fixd

So true XD.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on May 28, 2012, 07:34:42 pm
Meow has 4PD on his archer build. And he regularly does 3:1 scores with his kiting.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Templar_Ratigan on May 28, 2012, 07:37:24 pm
1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Archers whine.
7.Ranged gets buff.
8. Even more archers.
9. Mod is once again alive and kicking  :wink:
Fixd

1. People whine because something killed them, the game gets a little boring.

2. People whine because something killed them, the game gets a bit more boring.

3. People whine because something killed them, the game gets a lot more boring.

4. People whine because something killed them, the game gets very boring.

5. People whine because something killed them, the game gets extremely boring.

6. People whine because something killed them, the game gets FUCKNUGGETBORINGASSHITONASTICKINASTARBUCKS BORING!!

7. People play something else.

ps: Im lamenting the entire module here regardless of what you play. It isn't just about ranged...it's everything now.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 28, 2012, 07:37:51 pm
Meow has 4PD on his archer build. And he regularly does 3:1 scores with his kiting.

Doesn't he have 1 +3 Tard Bow though and +3 Bodkinz?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on May 28, 2012, 07:39:07 pm
something like 12/27 kiting dream
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on May 28, 2012, 07:40:04 pm
Doesn't he have 1 +3 Tard Bow though and +3 Bodkinz?

So... ?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 28, 2012, 07:40:52 pm
So... ?

DATS SUM GOOD SHIT MANG!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on May 28, 2012, 08:24:50 pm
N E R F range cause mod is dad
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 28, 2012, 08:32:03 pm
More serious post than my last few so far in this thread:

I must admit - my fail HA alt, using the standard HA build that I found in the guides section, with no looms at all, and still not at 4 HA skill, it's pretty damn hard to be a HA other than taking out horses.  Of course, I am noob at this class too and a good HA can surely own a little bit but I would say the only area of archery that I would buff is HA, i find it fucking hard to make a headshot so can't even say if it feels OP, I can only say (like I have in this thread) that it is OP from the recieving end.  Buff that shit, but nerf foot archer?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 28, 2012, 08:39:04 pm
Look, archers have crap scores, a really hard time defending themselfs in melee, and are a minority. Its the melee, in general, that decides the battle. With that in mind, why would archers be nerfed?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 28, 2012, 08:41:56 pm
Look, archers have crap scores, a really hard time defending themselfs in melee, and are a minority. Its the melee, in general, that decides the battle. With that in mind, why would archers be nerfed?

Sorry I should have said something like "nerf the damage of headshots by 10%" rather than just nerf.  Archers also by no means have crap scores, the good archers, just like the good melee or cav, can easily go 20-1 on any map/gametype.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 28, 2012, 08:52:40 pm
More serious post than my last few so far in this thread:

I must admit - my fail HA alt, using the standard HA build that I found in the guides section,

That's why u go 7/30 HX build. 5 HA and +3 Light Xbow and +3 Steel Bolts and +3 Courser = EPIC SAUCE. And then make it lvl 35 and u can go 12 riding and 6 HA.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 28, 2012, 08:55:56 pm
Sorry I should have said something like "nerf the damage of headshots by 10%" rather than just nerf.  Archers also by no means have crap scores, the good archers, just like the good melee or cav, can easily go 20-1 on any map/gametype.

Its really not the same. You can collect kills like that with a lance or a 2handed weapon, but certainly not with a bow. Any veteran will tell you that.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 28, 2012, 09:02:17 pm
That's why u go 7/30 HX build. 5 HA and +3 Light Xbow and +3 Steel Bolts and +3 Courser = EPIC SAUCE. And then make it lvl 35 and u can go 12 riding and 6 HA.

Derp.  Thanks for the advice Mr Dick.

Its really not the same. You can collect kills like that with a lance or a 2handed weapon, but certainly not with a bow. Any veteran will tell you that.

You can also totally suck with a lance and a 2h weapon, but who cares about the poeple with 0-7 every map be they cav or 2h.  This is about a tiny nerf which makes sense we're not asking much.

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Taser on May 29, 2012, 12:43:47 am
Sorry I should have said something like "nerf the damage of headshots by 10%" rather than just nerf.  Archers also by no means have crap scores, the good archers, just like the good melee or cav, can easily go 20-1 on any map/gametype.

So the only problem you have is the headshot damage? Guess I can understand that. I might be ok with that. It'd only affect bad and average archers. Archers like Itchy, Aderyn, Dama (does he play anymore.. I haven't seen him in a while) wouldn't be affected nearly as much.

Think it'd be better if it affected bows differently. Impossible with this engine afaik but if the tatar bow/horn bow couldn't do the amount of damage a rus or longbow could, it'd be more balanced.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 29, 2012, 10:09:55 am
nerf thoes damn trollin ranged my old friends
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 29, 2012, 10:53:13 pm
Final conclusion: NERF HEADSHOT DMG BY 10%
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 29, 2012, 10:56:30 pm
 :rolleyes: Sure, but also remove the accuracy penalty from weight. So, you know, we see less kiters...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 29, 2012, 11:05:26 pm
:rolleyes: Sure, but also remove the accuracy penalty from weight. So, you know, we see less kiters...

And you will see more tincans  :D.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 29, 2012, 11:15:58 pm
Funny, this thread, that for the most part was just trolls, we actually got somewhere...

How about...

New thread in suggestions area with title "Nerf HS damage by 10%"

2 options, yes or no.  Lock it.  No trolling.  See what the people think.

If I make it as a biased ranged hater people will vote no so we need a neutral to make it ^^
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 29, 2012, 11:21:09 pm
Funny, this thread, that for the most part was just trolls, we actually got somewhere...

How about...

New thread in suggestions area with title "Nerf HS damage by 10%"

2 options, yes or no.  Lock it.  No trolling.  See what the people think.

If I make it as a biased ranged hater people will vote no so we need a neutral to make it ^^


Good idea!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 29, 2012, 11:38:07 pm
I'd vote no, because as I've said before, even with my mw longbow and sharp bodkins people survive headshots regularly. So, unless you add an accuracy bonus to that suggestion, its no.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 30, 2012, 12:05:56 am
Ranged will vote no to nerfs, ranged haters will vote yes to nerfs, now guess who has the bigger lobby. Thats right, its Aragorn and his fanboys.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 12:14:54 am
Actually I've noticed some infs saying that ranged is fine, whenever someone whines about ranged in the servers. But yeah, people will always hate getting shot.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 12:16:46 am
I'd vote no, because as I've said before, even with my mw longbow and sharp bodkins people survive headshots regularly. So, unless you add an accuracy bonus to that suggestion, its no.

This is truly just bullshit you must be doing something wrong.

Hetman has a shittier bow and it's ALWAYS a one hit headshot.  Same for Nebun.

Also...Megalol at the use of regularly to add insult to injury....
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 12:19:58 am
This is truly just bullshit you must be doing something wrong.

Hetman has a shittier bow and it's ALWAYS a one hit headshot.  Same for Nebun.

Also...Megalol at the use of regularly to add insult to injury....

You mean, like constantly demanding a nerf for the weakest class?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 12:21:39 am
You mean, like constantly demanding a nerf for the weakest class?

Again!

This is epic.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on May 30, 2012, 01:00:33 am
This poll is actually good for statistics. Shows that more than half of the players are range!!!
Time for a big NERFFF!!!jajajajaja :mrgreen:

You mean, like constantly demanding a nerf for the weakest class?

wololol weakest class? You must be out of your mind. The most archers are doing more damage than the melee str builds, no f***ing joke. And in melee fight they are as fast as ninjas.
(checked the spelling of "melee" on google so Panos wouldn't QQ  :mrgreen:)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 30, 2012, 01:08:45 am
This is not a problem that can be solved democratically. We don't even know for sure if this needs to be rebalanced or not.  People are giving conflicting anecdotal evidence, which as we all know, is useless.  Is anyone free to test this?  I have a 5 pd archer with a horn bow that can participate.  I need someone with 7PD and someone with a high strength build (24-27 str) with a helm that is over 55 armor.  I'm free for the rest of the night so if you want to test this on the duel server PM me please!   8-)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 30, 2012, 01:14:48 am
That is your personal evidence.  The same thing never happens to my fighter, I'm always killed by other fighters with the exact reverse percentages as you.  Nerf 2h weapons!  Buff archers!  See how useless anecdotal evidence is?   :P
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on May 30, 2012, 01:18:00 am
That is your personal evidence.  The same thing never happens to my fighter, I'm always killed by other fighters with the exact reverse percentages as you.  Nerf 2h weapons!  Buff archers!  See how useless anecdotal evidence is?   :P

You must be playing another game. Go to that game's forums please.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 30, 2012, 01:26:14 am
Hetman has a shittier bow and it's ALWAYS a one hit headshot. 
Well he is a level 35 archer
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 01:28:27 am
Well he is a level 35 archer

Nerf him.

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LastKaze on May 30, 2012, 02:00:12 am
Dedicated archers do more damage than xbows.
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Post by: wanteds on May 30, 2012, 02:03:33 am
ahahahahahahahaha I cant stop laughing, really.

After this post I created a STF alt, 18/21, money only was enough to buy tatar arrows and a tatar bow.

After 2 rounds I was almost topping the score board with 8:3 or something.

I DIDNT PLAY ARCHER FOR ABOUT 12 MONTHS !

Lets assume I would be a dedicated archer using a loomed (good) bow and loomed tatar arrows, I would easily, without even really looking on the screen, topping the score board on every fucking map. There is no counter for a good archer EXCEPT good shielders. Even bad shielders are easy target, I think at least 2 of my kills were heavily armored shielders.

Really, this is so ridiculous.

I know how Chase did get 40:1 scores when he played archer with +3 tatar and +3 rus bow: Because it is really so easy to aim and hit and when you are in trouble you run away till you can shoot again.

Anybody who tells me ranged needs a buff or playing archer would require more skill then melee will get a huge laughter and a mute so I don´t have to hear such BS ever again.

You're right.
Plus, another huge overpowered thing about archers apart from their damage is as you mentioned: their aim. Its like they are all playing with sniper rifles, except they pew pew pew...
That accuracy at that rate of fire is ridiculous. Its like playing a modern day shooter with the most accurate weapons.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Elmetiacos on May 30, 2012, 02:15:35 am
Archers have already been nerfed enough, I think. I used to play as an archer, Llaw_Gyffes, who might be remembered by some veteran players. I wasn't bad at archery, I would usually get a couple of kills every round when I got to high levels. I'm not even sure I had any heirlooms. After the last nerf, I gave up. I tried a STF archer a couple of months ago but didn't stick with him because I was having such a miserable time. It was hard to hit anything, rate of fire was slow, damage low, life expectancy short. The problem is that yet again, we are seeing the rise of crossbow using hybrids.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Taser on May 30, 2012, 02:22:02 am
Archers have already been nerfed enough, I think.

This. They've been nerfed almost every patch. Think this recent patch is the first in a while that didn't nerf archers in some way. Archers are fine the way they are.

Plus warlord, most people saying archers need a buff are joking. Not sure if you understood that or not.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Smoothrich on May 30, 2012, 02:46:27 am
lower ranged damage to melee, double it to horses

archers do really a shit ton of damage to even high armored melee but don't do enough to cav imo and cav spam is prob worse than archer spam

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: rustyspoon on May 30, 2012, 02:50:12 am
lower ranged damage to melee, double it to horses

archers do really a shit ton of damage to even high armored melee but don't do enough to cav imo and cav spam is prob worse than archer spam

This would make my champion arabian very, very sad.  :cry:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 30, 2012, 02:50:15 am
lower ranged damage to melee, double it to horses

archers do really a shit ton of damage to even high armored melee but don't do enough to cav imo and cav spam is prob worse than archer spam

We only want a small headshot dmg nerf, so better head armors will be actually useful.. The body dmg is fine atm imo, the headshot dmg makes me rage only. Horses have too much hp though but that's another problem.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 04:23:37 am
We only want a small headshot dmg nerf, so better head armors will be actually useful.. The body dmg is fine atm imo, the headshot dmg makes me rage only. Horses have too much hp though but that's another problem.

Momo, you should make your suggestion in the game ballance area, if you're serious about it. Dont post it randomly in a troll thread.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on May 30, 2012, 04:27:14 am
Momo, you should make your suggestion in the game ballance area, if you're serious about it. Dont post it randomly in a troll thread.

Well, it's worth a try though, it will be flamed a lot imo.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 30, 2012, 04:45:35 am
Momo, you should make your suggestion in the game ballance area, if you're serious about it. Dont post it randomly in a troll thread.

The biggest troll in this thread is you. I am obviously dead serious about nerfing ranged as is anyone who isn't ranged.

You go troll another thread.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 04:50:45 am
The biggest troll in this thread is you. I am obviously dead serious about nerfing ranged as is anyone who isn't ranged.

You go troll another thread.

Dude this was troll thread since post 1. You have little to no idea what archery is, and then you just write "nerf" and a troll poll, as if hadn't enought of that already.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 30, 2012, 05:02:18 am
Dude this was troll thread since post 1. You have little to no idea what archery is, and then you just write "nerf" and a troll poll, as if hadn't enought of that already.

This post is another example of your troll behavior.. Assuming I don't know everything there is to know  about archery and C-RPG in general. You sir are one fail troll.

There is no reason to explain why archery needs a nerf. All current players understand whats going on.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Taser on May 30, 2012, 08:03:33 am
None of the really good and dedicated archers I know ever requested a buff.

All I see is Nerf threads, and although some of them may be troll threads, they are right.

They don't need to be nerfed further although I can understand people raging that someone with a tatar bow can do a lot of headshot damage with a pew pew bow. But the fact is unless headshot damage for each bow can be nerfed according to the bow, I don't think its fair to nerf headshot damage for the rus/long bow users.

Archery is fine the way it is. People just have an issue with ranged in general since some think melee is the only point in the game. I understand that but ranged is part of the game. I have no issue with people making melee only servers that have issues with archers, crossbowmen, or throwers.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sagar on May 30, 2012, 09:24:27 am
Yes please nerf them.
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Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Beauchamp on May 30, 2012, 11:19:17 am
those that haven't should try lvl 30 STF archer if they think they are so OP and if u get above 1:1 KDR then complain, otherwise stfu. no nerf is needed.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 30, 2012, 11:31:37 am
i have 18 str 0 if=53 hp, tribal arior outfit and mail mittens , im allmost all the time survive 2 arrows, in the rain i allways survive 2 arrows. to warlord- it is your choise to abusing long spear and not be able to use any crappy shield.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Son Of Odin on May 30, 2012, 11:34:09 am
those that haven't should try lvl 30 STF archer if they think they are so OP and if u get above 1:1 KDR then complain, otherwise stfu. no nerf is needed.

But how does one decrease the amount of range or sometimes cav without nerf? Maybe nerf isn't the best way to do it because then some class becomes really unpleasant to play. I don't feel archery is too powerful, but the problem is in big numbers... Sometimes there is unbearable amount of arrows flying around and sometimes when GK has some fun nights + more cav than usually it is horrifying cavalry fest. Neither is fun in long run... Dunno maybe best solution is just to disconnect and do something else...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Vibe on May 30, 2012, 11:34:57 am
You reduce the amount of cav/ranged by going to melee only server :mrgreen:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Paul on May 30, 2012, 03:55:01 pm
no, archers are usually at the bottom of the k/d scale, along with throwers. k/d-leaders and probably also the biggest factors for deciding the outcome of a round are 2h/pole footmen and melee cav. acts of classism like this thread come from the biggest idiots and are pretty retarded. just look at the poll options.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zandieer on May 30, 2012, 03:56:43 pm
no, archers are usually at the bottom of the k/d scale, along with throwers. k/d-leaders and probably also the biggest factors for deciding the outcome of a round are 2h/pole footmen and melee cav. acts of classism like this thread come from the biggest idiots and are pretty retarded. just look at the poll options.
:D
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Klauwaert on May 30, 2012, 04:08:55 pm
More serious post than my last few so far in this thread:

I must admit - my fail HA alt, using the standard HA build that I found in the guides section, with no looms at all, and still not at 4 HA skill, it's pretty damn hard to be a HA other than taking out horses.  Of course, I am noob at this class too and a good HA can surely own a little bit but I would say the only area of archery that I would buff is HA, i find it fucking hard to make a headshot so can't even say if it feels OP, I can only say (like I have in this thread) that it is OP from the recieving end.  Buff that shit, but nerf foot archer?
HA is just fine, check out this dude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bVFThKM7E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bVFThKM7E)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 04:44:07 pm
HA is just fine, check out this dude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bVFThKM7E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bVFThKM7E)

Meh  :P
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 04:54:42 pm
lol 2010
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 05:08:39 pm
So, if the devs nerf your class as much as they did archery, then you fail extremely hard? Nice views.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on May 30, 2012, 05:10:00 pm
They don't need to be nerfed further although I can understand people raging that someone with a tatar bow can do a lot of headshot damage with a pew pew bow. But the fact is unless headshot damage for each bow can be nerfed according to the bow, I don't think its fair to nerf headshot damage for the rus/long bow users.

Archery is fine the way it is. People just have an issue with ranged in general since some think melee is the only point in the game. I understand that but ranged is part of the game. I have no issue with people making melee only servers that have issues with archers, crossbowmen, or throwers.

"They don't need to be nerfed" said the ranged player LOL

you guys are sad...really...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Gurnisson on May 30, 2012, 05:11:24 pm
So, if the devs nerf your class as much as they did archery, then you fail extremely hard? Nice views.

cRPG was one big nerf-fest. There's probably not a single item better or at the same level as in native and archery was also affected by this. However I don't believe any class needs further nerfing, except for the cav bump mechanic which could need a tweak.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on May 30, 2012, 05:22:05 pm
Sometimes Archers are OP and hit everyone with a Headshot but sometimes they don't.

Luck is a big factor playing as an Archer. I see beginner archers doing 11/0 for 1 map. After that map I see em dying without even hitting some peasants.

A good Archer is only good if he's good with bad luck. (So much good in this post  8-))
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on May 30, 2012, 06:17:42 pm
Headshots are not my concern, they should 1hit and I'm ok with that. High body damage and very high accuracy on the other hand, are what have made archers really op.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 30, 2012, 06:29:58 pm
I dont think you can combine high damage and high accuracy in any build. That's either great skill, or high damaging archers loosely shooting into an enemy mob.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on May 30, 2012, 06:38:45 pm
I dont think you can combine high damage and high accuracy in any build. That's either great skill, or high damaging archers loosely shooting into an enemy mob.

And yet, many archers have both.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Gurnisson on May 30, 2012, 06:39:30 pm
Depends on the looms. 18/21 and 18/24 are both very strong and very accurate with a +3 bow (rus and horn especially)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Pejlaen on May 30, 2012, 09:24:45 pm
I'm 18/21 with +3 Rus bow and +3 Bodkins

The damage you deal is imo good, but in some ways not fair. If Archery were to be fair, there would probably have to be hitboxes on armors, so that an arrow in an tin-can would deal damage based on if it hits a weak part of the armor (arm-pit is 1 example) or not. I think it would take away alot of bad feelings that medium/heavy armored people is having with archery, since it would take an very accurate archer to continuesly deliver lethal shots to armored players. Also in this way, you can increase the accuracy of bows and arrows without rendering them overpowered.

Sorry if this suggestion is completely offtopic heh...

18/21 is a good damage build with very good accuracy and running speed :), gl man

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 10:12:54 pm
I'm 18/21 with +3 Rus bow and +3 Bodkins

The damage you deal is imo good, but in some ways not fair. If Archery were to be fair, there would probably have to be hitboxes on armors, so that an arrow in an tin-can would deal damage based on if it hits a weak part of the armor (arm-pit is 1 example) or not. I think it would take away alot of bad feelings that medium/heavy armored people is having with archery, since it would take an very accurate archer to continuesly deliver lethal shots to armored players. Also in this way, you can increase the accuracy of bows and arrows without rendering them overpowered.

Sorry if this suggestion is completely offtopic heh...

18/21 is a good damage build with very good accuracy and running speed :), gl man

1st my old friendcher i've really ever agreed with on most points.

well done.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on May 30, 2012, 10:35:57 pm
After all these years the reason why this kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcctWbC8Q0) got so angry has finally been revealed.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 11:03:00 pm
If i could hack into every persons account who plays an archer and delete it I would  8-)

It would help the world be a better, rage free place.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Nebun on May 30, 2012, 11:06:28 pm
archery already nerfed so many times comparing to native and u keep crying about it

try to play archers i'm sure u won't do any good at all and die to right about everyone
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Meow on May 30, 2012, 11:20:46 pm
xD

This only shows that 99% of archers fail extremely hard, as I said.  :mrgreen:

May I ask what your archer's name was?
Not that I am allowed to publish it's K:D but last time someone claimed he played an STF archer and had positive kdr instantly, the dude had 4 kills in the 3 days the char was alive.
Sadly most of the people who whine about ranged but claim they played an archer and were super awesome with it played it for like an hour tops and basically have no idea.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 30, 2012, 11:41:36 pm
nWo!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 11:41:43 pm
4 4 4 4 LIFE
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: zottlmarsch on May 30, 2012, 11:41:51 pm
TOOOOO SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juqm94sUV_E
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Nebun on May 30, 2012, 11:50:18 pm
friendly archer is the name.

Kills/Deaths:10/7, 1.4:1

As I said, after my very first two rounds I had 8 Kills and 3 or 4 deaths. After that I played 3 or 4 more rounds but just died, because I didnt really payed attention, as it only was for fun (and I´m pretty sure I got killed by other (better) ranged who shot me from far away, just saying).

I do not say archery is OP, because I for sure can get much better k/d´s with my dedicated pikemen main for example, but if I where a dedicated archer with loomed bow and arrows, maybe even level 33 or 32 like on my main, I could be under the top players concerning k/d on every map, as I am with my pole/inf main.

For sure it´s also about player skill, because why would a guy like Chase who almost always plays 2h or pole, have the same or even better stats when he plays archer for one or two gens? Right- because he a very skilled player, period.

I guess that archers have the greatest amount of "not-so-skilled" players, because every really good and dedicated archer can top the score board at any time. There are just not so many, and many are playing other classes right now because they got bored.

EDIT: 3 or 4 deaths in two rounds does not make any sense, sorry. So it were 3 or 4 rounds :D

played for 1 round, killed few peasants with skip the fun and happy :))

only few good archers gets close to top the scoreboard, yes KD sometimes or often better then average inf, but only because they stay behind... most archers in the middle or at the bottom of the list usually. Play on some open maps on eu1 :)) Cav will show you how useless you are.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 30, 2012, 11:50:51 pm
friendly archer is the name.

Kills/Deaths:10/7, 1.4:1

As I said, after my very first two rounds I had 8 Kills and 3 or 4 deaths. After that I played 3 or 4 more rounds but just died, because I didnt really payed attention, as it only was for fun (and I´m pretty sure I got killed by other (better) ranged who shot me from far away, just saying).

I do not say archery is OP, because I for sure can get much better k/d´s with my dedicated pikemen main for example, but if I where a dedicated archer with loomed bow and arrows, maybe even level 33 or 32 like on my main, I could be under the top players concerning k/d on every map, as I am with my pole/inf main.

For sure it´s also about player skill, because why would a guy like Chase who almost always plays 2h or pole, have the same or even better stats when he plays archer for one or two gens? Right- because he a very skilled player, period.

I guess that archers have the greatest amount of "not-so-skilled" players, because every really good and dedicated archer can top the score board at any time. There are just not so many, and many are playing other classes right now because they got bored.

EDIT: 3 or 4 deaths in two rounds does not make any sense, sorry. So it were 3 or 4 rounds :D

so you played 3-4 rounds only with archer? just fucking lol :lol:  when you can show us like 1000 kills with you stf archer alt , then come back.
about skill, with some stf 24/15 melee and some good armor i can have way better k/d then with stf archer.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 11:51:00 pm
Cav will show you how useless you are.

Not when 2 arrows by you kills champ destrier (body hits too).
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 30, 2012, 11:53:24 pm
Not when 2 arrows by you kills champ destrier (body hits too).

it is just a lie and bullshit , champ destrier dont die after 2 shots with my mw arb + mw bolts.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2012, 11:58:53 pm
it is just a lie and bullshit , champ destrier dont die after 2 shots with my mw arb + mw bolts.

Same shit again, you say we lie about ranged, but you claim to know better about MY horse?

Cool story bro.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 12:15:43 am
i know it because i shot it, ever champ destrier can survive 2 my shot, if you dont believe about charger, then take 1 of your friends go on eu3 and try to kill charger with 2 body shots , and than try to do it with 6 pd archer.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on May 31, 2012, 12:16:49 am
May I ask what your archer's name was?
Not that I am allowed to publish it's K:D but last time someone claimed he played an STF archer and had positive kdr instantly, the dude had 4 kills in the 3 days the char was alive.
Sadly most of the people who whine about ranged but claim they played an archer and were super awesome with it played it for like an hour tops and basically have no idea.

Meow is right. Playing STF archers is hell.

Just played STF archer: 7 PD, 6 ATH, 6 WM and 4 PS. That's 154 wpp.

Used Horn bow and Tatars. Couldn't kill shit. Don't want to play it anymore.

Go carts picking me off all the time, accuracy total shit, can't hit anything at longer distance. Killed two horses (enemy and friendly) and that's it.

Strong archers like bagge are: lvl 33 or higher, have everything loomed and a lot more wpp. And are really, really good archers. And have backup most of the time.

Compared to STF archery even STF HX is easy mode...

Please buff archers armor and fighting capabilities and stop listening to retards who only play melee all the time.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 12:22:14 am
wow leshma it is impressed)

btw about champ charger, ranged calculator shows that with 6 pd and 163 wpf i need 5-9 body shots or 2-4 hedshot, even if it is a bit wrong, it cant die just with 2 body shots.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Paul on May 31, 2012, 12:23:18 am
The point is you cannot find out how easy/difficult a class or playstyle is unless you played it for a longer time. Pretending to know about it after like 10 kills with a STF is just plainly arrogant.  I suggest you start at zero and make an archer alt, level him up and see how it works out like Meow did with an open mind because he is not a blockhead like so many others here.

In the constant retire cycle archers are forced to play as low level for quite some time and there they are a lot weaker than other classes. Even past level 30 they are not that strong as some melee jihadists depict them to be. The forced low armor and the limited melee ability make it a glass cannon, which is especially risky on open field maps. I find playing as a crossbowman a lot more comfortable because of the better armor and the lesser tunnel vision resulting from the reload break.

Also the theory that archers are just skillless melee drop outs that go ranged because they can't block is retarded. I was a melee ethusiast in Native beta as well but after getting the bigger picture with playing all classes evenly in cRPG I see now how stupid the "melee is the only skill" attitude is. It's just unfounded elitism, resulting more from the high class based power 2h/pole footman have and not their individual skill. If you do good as shieldless inf in Native battles, then you can brag about it. Not in cRPG, there everyone is a hero as 2h/pole. On the other side for being a constant scoreboard topper as an archer, you have to be actually good in cRPG.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 12:25:00 am
Obviously most of you can´t read, or do not care.

My STF was 18/21, with tatar arrow and tatar bow (because the money isn´t enough to buy a horn bow).

I could make easy kills. 160 wpf makes archers so damn accurate, and 6 PD and unloomed tatar arrows and a unloomed tatar bow are apparenty enough to kill medium armored guys in 3-4 hits.

So don´t talk shit.

BTW Leshma, I killed you there too (or at least I hitted you 2 or 3 times and made a melee guy from my team kill you).

no1 cared warlord you have played 3-4 rounds with only 10 kills, you cant say that you are pro archer, and maybe all your targets was hardly wounded or peasants or some other noobs.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: LordBerenger on May 31, 2012, 12:27:55 am


+1

You can't just see it all from 1 perspective. You gotta try out every class before you judge something.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: peter_afca7 on May 31, 2012, 12:35:30 am
The real problem why my old friendhers (retards with a bow) are hated is cause they run turn around shoot run turn around shoot melee dies melee very very mad  when melee mad melee gonna make NERF POSTS

Conclusion dont nerf the damage but nerf the speed of those bow fetish people

Would be more FUN to play on battles again

Last thing let the melee protect the archer so doesnt have to run turn around shoot

Would make melee more fine when they dont get shot by folowing a run turn shoot bow fetish guy  8-)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 31, 2012, 12:55:36 am
I never said all archers are skilless, I said archers have the most "not-so-skilled" players which results in very few really good archers who are topping the score board from time to time.

What makes you think this, in particular? Is it the suckiness at melee or all the missed arrows?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Peasant_Woman on May 31, 2012, 01:10:58 am
The point is you cannot find out how easy/difficult a class or playstyle is unless you played it for a longer time. Pretending to know about it after like 10 kills with a STF is just plainly arrogant.  I suggest you start at zero and make an archer alt, level him up and see how it works out like Meow did with an open mind because he is not a blockhead like so many others here.

Many long-time players have played archer for a gen or two (or at least played a STF for a while).
I find it quite arrogant of you to assume that everyone with a differing opinion is talking out of their arse.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: IL_Xijena on May 31, 2012, 01:16:33 am
Im not a really an experienced player but from what I read and saw on the servers themselves it's not that archers do great damage or whatsoever, the fact is there should be less archers. Im not saying we should have pure melee but honestly, it's ridicilous when you see a volley of arrows flying towards you. I think there should be a "nerf" which would encourage all archers to use medium armor and have a melee weapon because it's funny when he shots you until you come near then just escapes.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bigsean on May 31, 2012, 01:17:36 am
Many long-time players have played archer for a gen or two (or at least played a STF for a while).
I find it quite arrogant of you to assume that everyone with a differing opinion is talking out of their arse.

and many haven't, especially the ones who feel they need to make an STF alt and then brag about "how easy it was"

Dev's tellin these dumbasses, listen up.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 31, 2012, 01:38:05 am
Here's a thought, a lot of us are saying there should be less archers, but I agree and disagree.

Reason is, that in a battle, there SHOULD be lots of arrows flying BUT, it should be like it really was, from far away, aimed into the air and the arrows rain down on the enemy, then the cav charge bla bla bla, that to me would be epic.

However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.  This is just fake.  The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).

Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can. 

Yes, this is verging on having to face up to the fact that it's very unrealistic and belongs in realism thread so you can ignore this post  :lol:

One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: IL_Xijena on May 31, 2012, 01:40:49 am
Here's a thought, a lot of us are saying there should be less archers, but I agree and disagree.

Reason is, that in a battle, there SHOULD be lots of arrows flying BUT, it should be like it really was, from far away, aimed into the air and the arrows rain down on the enemy, then the cav charge bla bla bla, that to me would be epic.

However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.  This is just fake.  The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).

Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can. 

Yes, this is verging on having to face up to the fact that it's very unrealistic and belongs in realism thread so you can ignore this post  :lol:

One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.

Very true but such things can be only seen in RP :) I think that the Dev Team should do something large. Like in game, in warband if possible
"in-build teamspeak" and the highest level in the team would get commander so we would see a lot more tactics and such. I would love to see something like that because, I can't put it better then this:
"However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it"
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 01:43:22 am
Thank you.
If I recall correctly (counting Gens on my main and alts together), I played 3 Gens of pure foot archer, 2 gens HA, 3 gens pure xbow/hybrid xbow and 2 Gens throwing hybrid.

I guess more than 88 million expierence points in ranged classes should give me a slightly insight in those.

if you dont want nerf , then stop posting more then many other haters in nerf thread. And it is not even close to easy playing archer, when around are many other ranged, or me with arb, or some extremly high amount of cav, if you have big problems with archers, then try to wear something better then lamellar vest or find other build for yourself.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Shemaforash on May 31, 2012, 01:45:59 am
ITT: what the average crpg player thinks is op
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: IL_Xijena on May 31, 2012, 03:59:02 am
I think people shouldn't say Archery is easy. Meh, I shot a guy 5 times in his chest, he had medium armor and survived. The dmg itself is okay the problem is people just doing hit&run and basically people waiting for players to drop shield so they can shot them.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 31, 2012, 04:52:34 am
... but honestly, it's ridicilous when you see a volley of arrows flying towards you.

HOW IS THIS NOT THE BEST THING EVER IN A MEDIEVAL FIGHTING SIMULATOR

However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.

How do they shoot through your shield?  Also, in real life, archers can change the direction that they are aiming very easily... You just turn your body.  So this seems pretty realistic.

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The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).

You use to be able to JUMP and SHOOT!?  Damn, that would have been amazing to do, sounds like a ridiculous amount of fun.

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Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can. 

If it's a small skirmish of 45 vs 45 I could definitely see an elite force of 3-5 archers that did a disproportional amount of damage.

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One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.

There are so many ranged hate threads because it sucks fighting ranged if you don't have a shield and are slower than them.  People don't treat ranged with enough respect, in siege I see people charge up to the castle as arrows rain on them... not even dodging, getting hit by 2-3 arrows and maybe killed.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on May 31, 2012, 05:01:06 am
doublepost
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Vibe on May 31, 2012, 10:40:17 am
I think the problem lies in the difference between loomed crap and unloomed crap (in addition to builds). I know I sometimes get shot for half of HP by an arrow and quite often for half of HP by a crossbow, whereas on my 5PD loomless HA the damage is downright disappointing (even off the horse). Every guy in decent armor takes atleast 5 arrows and the last destrier I killed while on a horse took more than ten arrows.

I can imagine I'd have much less trouble killing people with a loomed xbow and loomed bolts.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Vibe on May 31, 2012, 11:04:28 am
Yep, Looms definately make a greater difference for ranged as they do for melee weapons ..

They don't make as much difference for melee weapons as they do for ranged (you can have both bow and arrows loomed).
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 11:15:29 am
They don't make as much difference for melee weapons as they do for ranged (you can have both bow and arrows loomed).

and melee can loom some very good armors, shields and any weapon type. And still use some loomed xbow as sec weapon or some throw loomed stuff.

when archer can use only bow and arrows, and maybe some 1h with low 1h wpf or none
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Havoco on May 31, 2012, 11:18:56 am
L2E
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Smoothrich on May 31, 2012, 11:22:12 am
I think the looms here really nails it.

Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.

Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.

2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 31, 2012, 11:30:01 am
I'd trade the extra damage from the arrows for more arrows or stable accuracy.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Paul on May 31, 2012, 11:47:08 am
I think the looms here really nails it.

Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.

Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.

2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.

no
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Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 11:58:19 am
Yes. I am often getting two shotted in lordly katafraktoi + lordly mail gauntlets, 21 str and 5 IF.

Sometimes noob archers or HA dealing only like 5-10 % damage per shot.

So looms and high level make a big difference!

come on dont lie, i wear tribal warior outfir + 0 and mail mittens +1, i have 18 str and  0 if, and archers like cadarn, strudog, bagge at big distanse, radh and many others cant kill me with 2 shots, i bet if i have +3 stuff and a bit if i will allways survive 2 arrows.
dont forget that archers have distance penalty on dmg, rain penalty, speed bonus/penalty.  but still we have some high pd archers, ofc they make big amount of dmg, but they are slow and they cant aim.
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Post by: Smoothrich on May 31, 2012, 12:00:26 pm
No one's lying.  MW Rus/MW Bodkin, you might as well not be wearing any armor at all, it doesn't seem to factor in your armor rating whatsoever and does at least triple the damage I usually receive compared to most melee weapons except STR builds with great bardiches or something like that.
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Post by: Adamar on May 31, 2012, 12:00:48 pm
come on dont lie, i wear tribal warior outfir + 0 and mail mittens +1, i have 18 str and  0 if, and archers like cadarn, strudog, bagge at big distanse, radh and many others cant kill me with 2 shots, i bet if i have +3 stuff and a bit if i will allways survive 2 arrows.
dont forget that archers have distance penalty on dmg, rain penalty, speed bonus/penalty.  but still we have some high pd archers, ofc they make big amount of dmg, but they are slow and they cant aim.

aye, aye
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Post by: crojosip on May 31, 2012, 12:32:44 pm
lower archer accuracy, increase or leave damage alone.
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Post by: Trikipum on May 31, 2012, 12:44:00 pm

 Its true that archers where comoners, and there are plenty of historical portrayals of high medieval archers wearing medium armor and good helmets, regardless of their social condition. I assume lords wanted their troops to be efficient, if it could be afforded.
Not really good armor. They used what they could afford theirselves. Lords didnt pay for archer's armor. The kind of archers we talk about. Not mercenaries but normal ppl who happened to be "archers" in wartime. Families would save money for years "incase" daddy would need to go to war... just not to send him in rags. But the big mass of archers went with just leather armor if any. "rich" ones, like artisans etc would go to the battle even using chainmail. There was not a "uniform" for archers.
Btw, those portrayals give just clues, since most of them were always made decades after the real battle, also adding many "fantasy" stuff, just like they do nowadays. You know, people is always people, no matter the time, they always commit the same sins :)
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Post by: Adamar on May 31, 2012, 12:54:33 pm
lower archer accuracy, increase or leave damage alone.

My longbow is already crap at long range.
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Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 01:05:14 pm
Seems pretty senseless to argue with them.

It´s exactly what you say, no matter if I wear my +3 lamellar vest, +3 kuyak or +3 katafraktoi, I´m getting 2-3 shotted with every of them.

Sometimes, as I said, of course HA and lowby archer deal very low damage.

But what are we even talking about, I think it is about high level, dedicated archer who got their bow and arrow loomed.

Sure, if in agor´s fantasy world he can survive 2 shots in a unloomed tribal warrior outfit from an 18/21 +3 loomed dedicated archer, what´s the purpose of even posting here ...

I think if dedicated high lvl archer full loomed kill you in 3 shots because you decided to be spearman or 2h, and not shielder is it allright. placed 3 good shoots in mass fights is way more skill then just 1-2hit people with long spear.
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Post by: Sellka on May 31, 2012, 01:10:36 pm
longbows are already crap with range, focus on certen bows, Don't nerf my longbow more then it already has. most of the bows are too closely related to the Longbow anyways, ive not been around to see whats happend with the bows recently but I know that to nerf the longbow again would be rendering it useless, its already a close range shotgun now. don't be saying BLARG nerf ranged, look at the equipment they are using, and I know the Longbow needs a increase in range, so its not a shotgun and pisses more people off when they get shot point blank by an archer. I know how it feels I went from an archer to a 2h, and I have switched back because I like archery, and all depends on the archer, the set he has, and if you stupid enough to run in a line at him.

EDIT**
PS Also Loved being a 2h, was a 2h for nine months, got good K/D, but Archery is still my favorite despite the K/D
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Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 01:14:39 pm
all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.

fuck how he said gen 36 lvl 32 and still so retarded.
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Post by: peter_afca7 on May 31, 2012, 01:23:48 pm
all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.

ooooo this looks awsome lets plent it in the cRPG would be epic  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Post by: Chagan_Arslan on May 31, 2012, 01:28:59 pm
leave ranged alone, it might seems like an easy class, but it is actually much harder than melee char in heavy armor... if anything blame yourself for not using shields
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Post by: Leshma on May 31, 2012, 01:32:01 pm
A lot, lot harder. Even harder than melee char in light armour with agi build.
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Post by: Sellka on May 31, 2012, 01:33:34 pm
Agreed, and it does not help when you run straight at them.  All depends on the archer,and your build, tin cans are easy pray for an archer, Slow, easy to see and a five to six bodkins later from a long bow and hes practicly dead, archers are more of a support class. Before they nerfed the archery to shit, I was able to shoot into a fight and help out the melee in a fight, but bitches complain too much :D
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Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 01:51:21 pm
I never said anything about running speed or about headshots. Again, you did not read what I wrote.

than stop posting here, all your post are about how easy to play rangedm and you decided it because some big amount of time ago you have played it 2-3 gens, and all what you know about now is 10 kills.
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Post by: Arrowblood on May 31, 2012, 01:55:09 pm
Close this thread please ADMINS.
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Post by: polkafranzi on May 31, 2012, 02:28:57 pm
Since the first few pages of serious posts and arguments (i.e. fail that I get headshot with 60 head armor but no helmet archer survives overhead with +3 morningstar)...since that, everything has gone so off-topic, just lock this shit already and just nerf HS damage 10% but make Longbow range/accuracy better or something that's the vibe i'm getting.
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Post by: Kafein on May 31, 2012, 03:55:56 pm
The way archery is related to wpf forces archers to be dedicated which causes the kiting, and kiting is bad.


There are plenty other things that are wrong with archery but I think this is the most important and the one nearly everybody agrees with.
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Post by: Smoothrich on May 31, 2012, 04:20:01 pm
i think archer heirlooms need a look at as well, i think it makes them too strong
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Post by: Turk_Otto_Knight on May 31, 2012, 04:27:28 pm
Arrows should be get heavier so they cant run like chickens  8-)
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Post by: Garem on May 31, 2012, 04:44:54 pm
The way archery is related to wpf forces archers to be dedicated which causes the kiting, and kiting is bad.


There are plenty other things that are wrong with archery but I think this is the most important and the one nearly everybody agrees with.

This is a very good example of where you can say something like it's a fact when it couldn't be further from the truth, on both accounts.

Oh, and @Smoothrich, I think you're partially right. Non-heirloom bows and arrows definitely ARE underpowered, but heirloomed bows and arrows really aren't all that overpowered. Then again, it costs 6 heirloom points to reach maximum damage effectiveness, twice as much as any other weapon (barring arguments of horse-speed-as-weapon-bonus).
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Post by: Zisa on May 31, 2012, 04:51:54 pm
Here's my favourite unpopular idea...

Make projectiles unretrievable.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on May 31, 2012, 04:57:38 pm
Here's my favourite unpopular idea...

Make projectiles unretrievable.

Now for mine:

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Post by: Adamar on May 31, 2012, 04:59:51 pm
- Trade the extra loomed arrow damage for more arrows and leave the bows as they are.

- Make the armor penalty to accuracy not as punishing, especially with helmets, so that archers can reach their full efficiency as part melee and not kite.

- Maybe enforce only 1 bag or arrows for everyone, if possible, so a better ballance between different types of archers can be reached, and the pure archer build encouraged. The number of arrows per quiver would increase in this case.

The devs wanted to get rid of hybrids, thus the ultimate archer right now can only be a kitter/pure shooter. The slot system already prevents op hybrids, so lets reballance the class in a way that everyone can agree on.
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Post by: Zisa on May 31, 2012, 05:25:15 pm
- Trade the extra loomed arrow damage for more arrows and leave the bows as they are.

- Make the armor penalty to accuracy not as punishing, especially with helmets, so that archers can reach their full efficiency as part melee and not kite.

- Maybe enforce only 1 bag or arrows for everyone, if possible, so a better ballance between different types of archers can be reached, and the pure archer build encouraged. The number of arrows per quiver would increase in this case.

The devs wanted to get rid of hybrids, thus the ultimate archer right now can only be a kitter/pure shooter. The slot system already prevents op hybrids, so lets reballance the class in a way that everyone can agree on.
they couldna gree on the color of shite
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Post by: Jambi on May 31, 2012, 05:26:59 pm
Do eeet! Nerf Archery!
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Post by: polkafranzi on May 31, 2012, 05:29:44 pm
Do eeet! Nerf Archery!

Deal closed tyvm that's all we needed.

Lock eet!
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Post by: Elmetiacos on May 31, 2012, 05:43:41 pm
Here's my favourite unpopular idea...

Make projectiles unretrievable.
Retrieval is a problem for throwing lances in particular and overcomes the low ammo limitation - a thrower aims one at you, you back off and he advances, retrieving lances to throw again until one of them hits you. Throwing lances make little sense anyway... a spear in someone's hand does less damage than a thrown one which has left someone's hand and so is decelerating?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on May 31, 2012, 06:23:23 pm
they couldna gree on the color of shite

We all mostly agree that

kiting is bad.

so we need an archery system that doesn't encourage that. Like in native, where archers are more likely to pull out their swords than run.
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Post by: Ad1no on May 31, 2012, 06:47:44 pm
It's so funny you ranged troll players are  also trolls on the forums. Alot of you are either really really ignorant or straight up lying.

Either way, we need population back on the servers...

So for thoes of us who want this game to survive.....

SAVE C-RPG! NERF RANGED!
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Post by: Bjarky on May 31, 2012, 06:54:51 pm
just play melee server...
u won't get satisfied with the coming range nerfs anyway ^^
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Post by: Kafein on May 31, 2012, 07:18:14 pm
This is a very good example of where you can say something like it's a fact when it couldn't be further from the truth, on both accounts.

Oh, and @Smoothrich, I think you're partially right. Non-heirloom bows and arrows definitely ARE underpowered, but heirloomed bows and arrows really aren't all that overpowered. Then again, it costs 6 heirloom points to reach maximum damage effectiveness, twice as much as any other weapon (barring arguments of horse-speed-as-weapon-bonus).

Okay maybe I formulated badly.

What I want to say is that the "standard cRPG archer" is wearing rags and investing all the wpf he has into archery because it's the best thing to do if you are an archer, and it really should not.

The advantage 1 wpf more in archery gives over 10 or so in a melee prof is substantially greater precisely because you can evade melee combat. And evading melee also makes your archery better by wearing cloth instead of armor.


It's just a matter of what the optimum between a dedicated and a hybrid archer is. Right now archer hybrids are really crap because of the importance of archery wpf, which forces a decent archery build to be made solely for it, instead of being balanced between it's ranged and melee capabilities like xbows and throwing. This causes kiting.


Secondly, when I say kiting is bad, it's my opinion. Your opinion can be anything. If you think putting litter out of the trash cans in public places is a good thing, it's none of my business. Although as a general rule I tend to prefer games where fights are not completely one sided and not fun at all for one of the players.
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Post by: peter_afca7 on May 31, 2012, 07:25:55 pm
just play melee server...
u won't get satisfied with the coming range nerfs anyway ^^
you guys still dont understand melee server is like 0 people hole day and we want to play rageball and siege aswel lolololol
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Post by: Ronin on May 31, 2012, 07:28:50 pm
Then how about using shields or dodging properly?
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Post by: Bjarky on May 31, 2012, 08:11:02 pm
you guys still dont understand melee server is like 0 people hole day and we want to play rageball and siege aswel lolololol
oh 0 people, well that just proves it all, u guys seem to like getting shot then  :lol:
also range on rageball aint that bad, i'm melee mah self.
keep asking for nerfs, wont matter, range always gets nerfed, the only thing they have now is headshots, soon they loose that too, won't change the range pop though, get ready for more kiting, thats all its gonna lead towards, weak archers will do everything they can to get away from melee.
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Post by: LordBerenger on May 31, 2012, 08:14:10 pm
It's so funny you ranged troll players are  also trolls on the forums. Alot of you are either really really ignorant or straight up lying.

Either way, we need population back on the servers...

So for thoes of us who want this game to survive.....

SAVE C-RPG! NERF RANGED!

First of all my STF atm is a weaboo derp katana char. However unlike you, i've actually played every class that there is to play and although archers are annoying (especially HA) it's not the bow itself but more that they tend to run away and group up on you or as HA, they tend to bump and shoot you in turns.

The bow itself isn't that OP. But it's hard for dedicated melee extremists to realize it because hell.. There are even players who have played for 2 years or so and still are going melee and complain about ranged.


Play every class and stop being so narrow minded.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on May 31, 2012, 11:22:36 pm
Close this thread please ADMINS.
please
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Post by: OpenPalm on June 01, 2012, 12:23:38 am
Ranged is fine you all are fools.  I think it's funny the only people complaining about kiting are the people that are being kited...
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Post by: polkafranzi on June 01, 2012, 12:27:24 am
Ranged is fine you all are fools.  I think it's funny the only people complaining about kiting are the people that are being kited...

No u.
Fucking LARPer.
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Post by: OpenPalm on June 01, 2012, 12:29:05 am
GASP I would nevar!  I ain't no nerd!

Also, my avatar would beat yours in a fight.   8-)
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Post by: polkafranzi on June 01, 2012, 12:31:32 am
GASP I would nevar!  I ain't no nerd!

Also, my avatar would beat yours in a fight.   8-)

only if she sat on his face with all dat booty...and suffocated him!
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Post by: wanteds on June 01, 2012, 12:44:23 am
all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.

fuck how he said gen 36 lvl 32 and still so retarded.

We just want armor rating to actually mean something against arrows. Right now, it almost doesn't matter what your armor rating is, always receiving high amount of damage from archers. And I'm just talking about archers, xbows are balanced imo cause they are supposed to do more damage.

I have 24 str, 7 IF and 54 body armor, and I get 3 shotted (in body) by archers, while I can take much more hits from melee, and archers are not even in combat range with me and shoot from distance and at a high rate and if I manage to get close, they use their speed to get away and kill me anyway. You see the overkill power of archers?
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Post by: Miwiw on June 01, 2012, 12:50:44 am
I have 24 str, 7 IF and 54 body armor, and I get 3 shotted (in body) by archers, while I can take much more hits from melee, and archers are not even in combat range with me and shoot from distance and at a high rate and if I manage to get close, they use their speed to get away and kill me anyway. You see the overkill power of archers?

Yes, how dare Archers even think about shooting you. And why do they attack you from a far distance? How dare they!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on June 01, 2012, 12:52:38 am
We just want armor rating to actually mean something against arrows. Right now, it almost doesn't matter what your armor rating is, always receiving high amount of damage from archers. And I'm just talking about archers, xbows are balanced imo cause they are supposed to do more damage.

I have 24 str, 7 IF and 54 body armor, and I get 3 shotted (in body) by archers, while I can take much more hits from melee, and archers are not even in combat range with me and shoot from distance and at a high rate and if I manage to get close, they use their speed to get away and kill me anyway. You see the overkill power of archers?

Yes it's fake, fail, OP and rediculous.

Nerf them (rl homosexuals) archers.
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Post by: wanteds on June 01, 2012, 01:02:27 am
Yes, how dare Archers even think about shooting you. And why do they attack you from a far distance? How dare they!

Did you even get the point here? That archers do more damage than melee and that from an unreachable distance. Why answer with such ignorance? oh wait.. I know, you're an archer!
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Post by: Miwiw on June 01, 2012, 01:15:59 am
I am not anymore. I go Archer 1 gen, melee 1 gen, Archer 1 gen, melee 1 gen and so on. 13th gen with my main char now. ;)

No the point is, you're wrong saying an Archer is stronger. The game needs to balance all 3 classes which means that all 3 classes should do similar dmg even if the Archer can attack from distance. The cav has a horse and can use its speed therefore. The infantry class has high dmg in melee, armor and melee dmg. An Archer has to sacrifice points of his main class to get some points for melee dmg.

But you probably do not notice that if you're so ignorant and just want your own class to be good.

Regarding the thing that you can take more melee hits than range hits usually is a different thing; it totally depends on you, your armor, your stats, your enemy, his weapon and his stats. If you have around 50 body armor an archer with a loomed rus/long bow and bodkin arrows does of course deal more damage than an infantry with a bad slash and a cut weapon (ie probably not turning into his hit, glancing, hit to the body not head and more). You cannot say an archer is better therefore.
Currently it is also the case that most archer's bodyshots are pretty useless unless you have a good build with high PD and a loomed bow/arrows.
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Post by: Ad1no on June 01, 2012, 04:42:56 am
First of all my STF atm is a weaboo derp katana char. However unlike you, i've actually played every class that there is to play and although archers are annoying (especially HA) it's not the bow itself but more that they tend to run away and group up on you or as HA, they tend to bump and shoot you in turns.

The bow itself isn't that OP. But it's hard for dedicated melee extremists to realize it because hell.. There are even players who have played for 2 years or so and still are going melee and complain about ranged.


Play every class and stop being so narrow minded.

Hey listen count newb you are just another fail troll.. I've played every class there is many times over in this game as i'm sure any old player has.. So go fall on your arrow fail ranger.

NERF!
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Post by: OpenPalm on June 01, 2012, 07:01:57 am
only if she sat on his face with all dat booty...and suffocated him!

It's an acceptable attack!  Still counts!
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Post by: Svitjodvarg on June 01, 2012, 07:05:22 am
If they have to nerf something it should be cav.. or atleast make 50 % of the maps inf maps.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on June 01, 2012, 07:47:03 am
every1 who post here about op ranged and nerfs shoud be banned for a week and forced to play native all this week.
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Post by: polkafranzi on June 01, 2012, 10:12:38 am
every1 who post here about op ranged and nerfs shoud be banned for a week and forced to play native all this week.

Anyone who is always last alive against 20 enemy cos he's ranged and hiding should be banned for 1 week.
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Post by: Beauchamp on June 01, 2012, 10:51:10 am
has anybody complaining about archery actually ever played as an archer?

last time when kafein was bitchind he admitted he has 0.4:1 k/d ratio with his 30 lvl one.
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Post by: bosco on June 01, 2012, 10:55:29 am
For me, the main annoyance isn't about getting killed by archers - it's getting shot down to low health before getting into contact with enemy melee, which happens quite often on a battle server, despite having a shield (horse archers flanking and being pin point accurate etc.).
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Post by: Kafein on June 01, 2012, 11:33:34 am
has anybody complaining about archery actually ever played as an archer?

last time when kafein was bitchind he admitted he has 0.4:1 k/d ratio with his 30 lvl one.

It's worth noting I spend more time respeccing that guy than playing with him. Also, that k/d is with an archer hybrid, and really I wish those were better. Anyway it doesn't really matter since I only played like 5 maps.

Stop doing that or you will convince me to respec to peasant archer and play it, just to prove I can (probably) do a little better with a minmax kiter build.
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Post by: OpenPalm on June 01, 2012, 12:06:33 pm
For me, the main annoyance isn't about getting killed by archers - it's getting shot down to low health before getting into contact with enemy melee, which happens quite often on a battle server, despite having a shield (horse archers flanking and being pin point accurate etc.).

Try playing as HA, the accuracy is pretty far from "pin point accurate".   :lol:
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Post by: crojosip on June 01, 2012, 12:29:11 pm
most annoying thing to me is archers that hold their attack and still hit you most of the time. It happened more than once that I was going after an archer and trying to move around alot but the archer simply held his attack ( yes i know holding it decreases accuracy ) and he still hit me 2 times out of 3 even if i was 20 feet away or more.
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Post by: Beauchamp on June 01, 2012, 12:30:16 pm
So yeah, basicly nobody complaining here ever tried to play an archer or horse archer. Most of the people suffer from selective memory and come out with bs like pinpoint accuracy for HA, arrows taking 1/2 hp, archer only injuring and not killing (OMG HOW THEY DARE) etc. Go play STF character at least and then complain morons :)
(while showing your stats at the same time of course)
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Post by: bosco on June 01, 2012, 12:46:20 pm
Indeed, nothing wrong with losing a considerable amount of health early in the round with no means to avoid it, on a regular basis (due to a large amount of archers and throwers, especially when notorious clans are around).

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Post by: Taser on June 01, 2012, 01:05:36 pm
This thread is still going?
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Post by: polkafranzi on June 01, 2012, 01:17:29 pm
So yeah, basicly nobody complaining here ever tried to play an archer or horse archer. Most of the people suffer from selective memory and come out with bs like pinpoint accuracy for HA, arrows taking 1/2 hp, archer only injuring and not killing (OMG HOW THEY DARE) etc. Go play STF character at least and then complain morons :)
(while showing your stats at the same time of course)

lol, selective memory.

In case you missed it (or chose to miss it) both Warlord and myself have both played some kind of archer and I even complained that HA has bad accuracy derp and it's a hard class (imo) and as for foot archer arrows taking 1/2 hp well tbh quite often it verges on the 2/3 hp too against 40-50 armour  8-)

My HA stats - bearing in mind I played the first 2.5m xp in battle with just a wooden stick (to grind gold for horse n shizz) I had about 7:220 KD iirc.  Once I reached level 27 I started to take my gear like the horse and horn bow and bodkins it's improved and now stands at 68/337 or 1:5.0 (lvl 28).

I've never played any kind of archery before just had one xbower STF once, so I think i'm doing o.k. and at lvl 30 prob should break even or go into positive if i'm lucky.  HA is a hard life with no looms I feel.  Today on Eu1 DantonQ was regularly taking 1/3hp off my horse (same as his), per arrow, when I was riding AWAY from him and he was hitting the bum area of the horse.  So if you minus the speed that I was riding at from his arrows speed, I think that's pretty damn decent - ofc he has everything loomed.

This thread is still going?

Yes, ranged QQ'ers are giving 2h elitists a run for their money when it comes to defending their class against a tiny nerf.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sellka on June 01, 2012, 03:54:33 pm
we continue because most of us are archers, and archers are now more of a support class that ends up team hitting people. I remember the days when I could shoot into melee and help them, not hindering them by shooting them in the back. In other words this is about archery as in Bow's and arrows not to get hit by another nerf.

now to talk about gear, Normal gear. Longbow's Arrow speed was faster etc awile ago. Now a days the first crossbow has a faster arrow speed then the Long bow. The dammage is greater, with pierce, and dammage. I know it has accuracy of 87 but most crossbows still can hit what they are aiming for 50% of the time. with twelve bolts thats six hits and depends if they are hardcore crossbowmen or not, then they carry 24 with a small 0 slot weapon. Anyways, archers use to be more usefull to their teammates compared to now, where they have to aim for a crowd and hope for the best.(What it seems like) Also, you two handers know how much it pisses you off when an archer shoots you in the back when he is trying to help, well some of us archers use to know how to shoot into the fight and help you.

I also understand that I did not include the loading time

For balancing issues I think archery needs a small buff, and rebalancing. Longbow is utterly no benifit. Its Slow draw was for the range, but that is useless now, after the arrow speed was droped and other changes to it.

For all those people looking for realism, There were archers who were marksmen and able to pull off major shots.

thats my prespective, might be resonable might not be, im just trying to show you that your causing your own problems by screaming nerf ranged, or archery, Look at there dam equipment. and see what it is. 

*edited*
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sellka on June 01, 2012, 04:01:03 pm
Yes, ranged QQ'ers are giving 2h elitists a run for their money when it comes to defending their class against a tiny nerf.

Tiny nerfs? the nerfs on archery have been horrid, I have played archery through nerfs, before the first nerf I experianced, I was able to do what ever the hell I wanted with an arrow. Thats because I knew what I was doing.

*edit* still was able to do a good job for a time till they really started messing with the longbow
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 01, 2012, 04:06:34 pm
We just want headshots not bo be fucking OP, that's all. I am fine with a long bow buff.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sellka on June 01, 2012, 04:07:25 pm
you would expect a headshot to be a insta, since it is a headshot, the most vital thing in your body
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Herkkutatti on June 01, 2012, 04:09:37 pm
you would expect a headshot to be a insta, since it is a headshot, the most vital thing in your body
yes, and it's protected with great helm or better.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Miwiw on June 01, 2012, 04:11:19 pm
So what? I can grow a beard, then my face is also protected.  :rolleyes:

game balance > realism (even if!)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 01, 2012, 04:17:38 pm
So what? I can grow a beard, then my face is also protected.  :rolleyes:

game balance > realism (even if!)

You don't understand, I am ok if I get 1 shot in the head with 0-40 head armor, but please, getting 1 shot with 50 head armor and above is completely BS.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on June 01, 2012, 04:24:55 pm
So yeah, basicly nobody complaining here ever tried to play an archer or horse archer. Most of the people suffer from selective memory and come out with bs like pinpoint accuracy for HA, arrows taking 1/2 hp, archer only injuring and not killing (OMG HOW THEY DARE) etc. Go play STF character at least and then complain morons :)
(while showing your stats at the same time of course)

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Both ends know what happens in a fight. Hell, how could an archer know better how much damage he did than his target, not having damage reports or seeing the life bar of the opponent ? The fact anybody is shit at playing "class X" is irrelevant in such a discussion, since we all play the same game and witness the same things, save the connexion issues. If one arrow takes out 2/3 of my HP and I notice it, you can't argue I don't know what happened because I'm not an archer. If I record one archer kiting me during one minute, it's a fact. Call it selective memory because the part where there is no kiting wasn't recorded, it's still a fact.


I think a game should be fun for everybody that plays it as much as possible, and avoid situations where one player has fun at the expense of another. That is all. I don't support an archery nerf, I support a kiting nerf + buffing other things. There aren't too many archers either IMO, most of the ranged spam is coming from xbows lately, and throwing is becoming a popular choice for 1h wanting diversification.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Paul on June 01, 2012, 04:41:25 pm
I think the looms here really nails it.

Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.

Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.

2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.

Ok, I just did this test with Shik. I let him shoot my destrier from a distance of 90-100 yard with his fully loomed longbow and bodkin arrows(x6 archer). He has a 30/15 build so he should be at the upper end of the damage scale. He needed 30(!) arrows to land the first hit, the horse was not moving. It did 20% damage and the horse had 80% left. With a new horse and fresh arrows we tried again and Shik only needed 15 arrows to land the first hit and by some miracle the next arrow hit as well. Both hits combined brought the horse down to 50%.

My guess is that you have no idea how far 100 yard are ingame. Even with a more accurate bow it would be very difficult to have more than 1 in 10 arrows hit home on a moving horse. Even then 2-shooting would only be possible with 2 headshoots, very unlikely. With a 2 slot bow you can bring a max of 30-40 arrows, I doubt there are many archers retarded enough to waste them on any target 100 yard away.

You are either trolling, bullshitting as usual or just trying to manipulate the weak minded in this forum. Try harder. (If it was a troll, you succeeded though.)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 01, 2012, 05:02:12 pm
I understand what you're getting at Paul, and I totally agree.

We need to nerf cav. Too many cavalry players scream "waaah, waah, don't nerf my horsey!", so it never gets done. But come on people, we can't keep putting this off. This thread clearly demonstrates the OPness of cavalry, especially those lancer assholes, and I think we cannot continue to ignore the signs.

Also, Shik is just bad archer. Not that it matters, because cav is so fucking OP that even if all 30 arrows hit the destrier in the head it'd still have half its HP.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on June 01, 2012, 05:49:53 pm
One of the problems here is that the headshot survivers have no benefict in posting their experience, so it's the archer who has to report those.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on June 01, 2012, 06:17:26 pm
Tiny nerfs? the nerfs on archery have been horrid, I have played archery through nerfs, before the first nerf I experianced, I was able to do what ever the hell I wanted with an arrow. Thats because I knew what I was doing.

*edit* still was able to do a good job for a time till they really started messing with the longbow

Dude, i'm talking about a potential either a) nerf to headshot damage like we've suggested here multiple times or b) make a fucking helmet with 55+ armour actually be viable against headshots.  I'm also fine with an accuracy buff of some sort if it means the headshots I recieve are skillfull shots and not some nub getting lucky (and ofc 1 hitting me while he's at it).

You don't understand, I am ok if I get 1 shot in the head with 0-40 head armor, but please, getting 1 shot with 50 head armor and above is completely BS.

Pretty much same as what I just wrote  :lol:

So what? I can grow a beard, then my face is also protected.  :rolleyes:

game balance > realism (even if!)

You must be playing archer atm to post such a blödsinns.

We just want headshots not bo be fucking OP, that's all. I am fine with a long bow buff.

This.

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Broken record. 
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Beauchamp on June 01, 2012, 06:27:20 pm
i usually play with my alt with 40 body armor as an agi char (no shield). can't remember when i'd loose 2/3 health to a single arrow. what can sometimes almost 1 shot me to the body are arbalests from close range (i roughly guess by hits i took that regular ones do about 60-80 percent of damage).

all this ranged nerf is a whine, arguments put here are selective and they are mostly total BS. none of the complainers would ever manage to get even close to 1:1 K/D ratio with lvl 30 stf char archer, yet they continually just complain, complain, complain...

btw i agree - archery is shit, it promotes running kiters instead of strength builds. especially aiming on the head only is retarded - it totally negates STR builds so there is only 1 good possible archer build atm (running kiter that tries to headshot with hornbow on 10 meters).
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 01, 2012, 08:54:45 pm
i usually play with my alt with 40 body armor as an agi char (no shield). can't remember when i'd loose 2/3 health to a single arrow. what can sometimes almost 1 shot me to the body are arbalests from close range (i roughly guess by hits i took that regular ones do about 60-80 percent of damage).

all this ranged nerf is a whine, arguments put here are selective and they are mostly total BS. none of the complainers would ever manage to get even close to 1:1 K/D ratio with lvl 30 stf char archer, yet they continually just complain, complain, complain...

btw i agree - archery is shit, it promotes running kiters instead of strength builds. especially aiming on the head only is retarded - it totally negates STR builds so there is only 1 good possible archer build atm (running kiter that tries to headshot with hornbow on 10 meters).

We are talking about HEAD ARMOR OMFG. Ranged body dmg is FINE.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Miwiw on June 01, 2012, 08:56:05 pm
this isnt the topic about head armor tho
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 01, 2012, 08:58:50 pm
this isnt the topic about head armor tho

The main idea came from this topic when I made a separated topic for the head armor.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bjarky on June 01, 2012, 10:09:37 pm
btw. servers are well populated on and off, just cus some new awsome games come out, doesn't mean that this game suddenly sux ass forever  :wink:
We all come back when we get bored of the new blablabla  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zandieer on June 01, 2012, 10:38:20 pm
I'm glad I'm an archer :mrgreen:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on June 03, 2012, 11:49:51 pm
This thread proves over half of our community are obama voting homosexuals.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bruce on June 04, 2012, 12:02:07 am
Ranged body dmg is FINE.

It's too low and should hurt more. Not like the old arrow of doom days, but this is also silly, I was gone for a year and a half and suddenly there are no archers, only kiting mosquitoes which try to headshot or only slightly sting a normal armoured person.
Throwing is also crappy now. Crossbows are almost decent. Except you can't oneshot even a light armour agibuild in the body anymore, not even with MW arbalest & MW bolts, which is a bit sad.

The only annoyance now is that archers can run away like chickens, but since they can't use decent melee weapons either and strbuilds are gone and damage is meh, well, bah. Boost damage and increase weight of ranged tbh.


Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2012, 12:05:27 am
It's too low and should hurt more. Not like the old arrow of doom days, but this is also silly, I was gone for a year and suddenly there are no archers, only kiting mosquitoes which try to headshot or only slightly sting a normal armoured person.
Throwing is also crappy now. Crossbows are almost decent. Except you can't oneshot even a light armour agibuild in the body anymore, not even with MW arbalest & MW bolts, which is a bit sad.

Buff body dmg, nerf headshot dmg (a bit), I would be totally fine with that.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: BlueKnight on June 04, 2012, 12:07:55 am
Buff body dmg, nerf headshot dmg (a bit), I would be totally fine with that.

I like it how it is now. Shooting head is not so easy, also you can just show your ass to an archer and keep walking to him with your ass leading the way. 2h left swing holded all the time and looking at the damn grass. No HS for sure!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2012, 12:09:03 am
I like it how it is now. Shooting head is not so easy, also you can just show your ass to an archer and keep walking to him with your ass leading the way. 2h left swing holded all the time and looking at the damn grass. No HS for sure!

Good idea o.o, never tried that lol. Will try it in the future  :D.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: BlueKnight on June 04, 2012, 12:11:01 am
Good idea o.o, never tried that lol. Will try it in the future  :D.

Worked for me. Also the archer looked quite surprised  :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on June 04, 2012, 12:13:00 am
Good idea o.o, never tried that lol. Will try it in the future  :D.

Alternatively you can just block with your fists, covering your face. But tbh I dont see how headshot damage needs to be decreased when people survive + 3 bodkins + 3 longbow headshots.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bruce on June 04, 2012, 12:14:33 am
Why doesn't anyone ever buy a shield? In the old CRPG 70% of twohanders had a shield.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on June 04, 2012, 12:17:14 am
I am 2h with a shield.  Works pretty well.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Miwiw on June 04, 2012, 12:19:30 am
Why doesn't anyone ever buy a shield? In the old CRPG 70% of twohanders had a shield.

They probably dont want "to ruin their build" as you would lose 1 - 4 skill points. :P
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Paul on June 04, 2012, 12:20:30 am
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2012, 12:21:52 am
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.

I am planning to go 2h/throwing hybrid next gen so if an archer tries to troll me I can put an axe in his/her face.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on June 04, 2012, 12:24:28 am
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.

obviously this dev is a pimp
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on June 04, 2012, 12:25:02 am
Shield is useful only if you're chasing single archer under one condition, that you have 2 more ath than him. Otherwise not so useful.

Archers, xbowmen and throwers are usually shooting from different sides at me so having a shield on my back while fighting someone won't help me there.

And contrary to popular belief, having friendly archers behind me won't help me because most archers won't shoot at other archers unless they are threatened by them.

If archers focused enemy archers and cav fought enemy cav, being infantry on big servers would be a lot relaxed. However that's not the case.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on June 04, 2012, 12:35:57 am
Shield is useful only if you're chasing single archer under one condition, that you have 2 more ath than him. Otherwise not so useful.


Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.

Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.

An archer dying in a fire is still an archer. It's not racism. I'd even say an archer dying in a fire becomes the absolute form of an archer, the final transformation to become the ultimate archer. It is the climax of his life, which was devoted to that moment.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on June 04, 2012, 12:39:43 am
Quote
Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.

Sure, if you're fighting an archer on an infinite field that has no other allies/enemies or obstacles.  Battles do not take place in a vacuum, and sometimes, chasing away an archer is just as valuable as killing him.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on June 04, 2012, 12:44:26 am
Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.

I'm a bad shielder, however I do have 1 shield skill which isn't much but in combination with Old Heater Shield and some manual shield positioning it's enough to block most arrows that are fired straight at me. Although crazy STR archers do trash my shield in 3 or 4 arrows.

I do have some experience using a shield against archers. Against better archers (weasels) it's not useful because this is what usually happens:

1) they run and I chase them, i'm slower because of the shield but i'm still fast enough
2) after some time i catch them but they do 180 spin (which should be fixed) run straight into me, disrupting my attack
3) keep running in other direction

I don't have fast enough reflexes to release my swing before they run into me and I don't have a crystal ball to tell me when they are about to turn around.

Cocky archers do something else:
1) they run
2) let you catch them
3) shoot you when you're changing from shield to weapon

For high agi chars it's better choice to chase them without a shield than with it.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on June 04, 2012, 12:45:39 am
Leshma, who as far as I know is not very experienced with shields, has aknowledged this basic fact most archers posting on the forums never care to admit for some reason.

Why not? It's a prety simple tactic for two coordinated archers to bring down a shielder, anything wrong with it?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Cris on June 04, 2012, 01:06:20 am
Who remebers the day when even a horsearcher (damage penalty) could get rid of your good shield in 2 to 3 shots? And archers could headshoot you across the map if the player knew how to aim?
Or if they were really good shoot your feet undershields if you didnt stack high shieldskill?
And shoot at a native speed?

Sniper Crossobows were carried by everyone and thorwing lances were 1 shot kill to even heavy horses

Ah :D those were the days :-P I still cannot understand why people want ranged nerfed, its been nerf. A lot. More than any other thing in any other game ive ever played.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Beauchamp on June 04, 2012, 01:19:50 am
Why doesn't anyone ever buy a shield? In the old CRPG 70% of twohanders had a shield.

Because they don't need it against current archers.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Havoco on June 04, 2012, 04:06:57 am
learn to english? neva!

Learn 2 evade
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Swaggart on June 04, 2012, 04:23:12 am
Telling 2h/polearmers to get a shield would make sense only if archers were forced to spend points to block melee.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on June 04, 2012, 05:43:36 am
Telling 2h/polearmers to get a shield would make sense only if archers were forced to spend points to block melee.

Being forced to spend half of your skillpoints just to be able to hit anything at all isnt enough ?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on June 04, 2012, 09:26:09 am
Able to hit anything without most people beign able to fight back?

Yes.


If you want to force melee to change their build, change your too.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Taggerung on June 04, 2012, 09:31:20 am
Telling 2handers to get a shield is racism. On the other hand insulting archers and suggesting to them to go die in a fire is not.

And this is why this mod is dying. Fuck C-RPG and it's Devs.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on June 04, 2012, 01:21:41 pm
And this is why this mod is dying. Fuck C-RPG and it's Devs.

To the melee server with you!

Noone will play archer in the long run, if the class is made useless.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bigsean on June 04, 2012, 06:04:30 pm
Fuck the devs, really?

The devs who spent time testing out ranged just to give some statistics to your ludicrous claims? If you guys actually played post-patch instead of whining you'll notice that this "unfairness" is already gone. With the death of banner stacking it is much harder for clan-less archers, but also any archer, to achieve the same sort of K:D ratio as before.

I attribute this to the fact that there is less steamroll from same-banner players, whether riding a clan's banner or a huge clan (such as PRO), who I assume are now somewhat forced to sticking with one clan banner unless they want stragglers. This was the closest thing to consistent teamwork we had in the servers, and now we have a good spread of units across both teams, especially classes that can often turn the tide.

Ranged can no longer hide behind a steamroll and now have to be smarter about their positioning, with less time spent lobbing shots from stationary positions. This does also mean, however, that ranged classes are now especially tougher for newer players.

If anything, this necessary change showcases just how weak archery has become. Perhaps less for HX and HA, as those were generally solo classes, and I can't speak for throwers as I have little experience with them. You've already forced us to play in a position where kiting is our only strength, and now you want to nerf headshot damage because "an arrow should bounce off a thick helmet". It just boggles the mind, you ask for that but never once mention that realistically an arrow should make you or a horse limp if hit in the leg for example. Don't ask for realism, or selective realism, that's impossible to balance while maintaining the same gameplay and style of warband.

The vast majority of archers suffered pre-patch, and now it is much more apparent than before. I ask the devs to watch ranged over the next few weeks, and perhaps consider a slight buff to bring the difficulty more in line for the majority out there. Please do not be deterred by people who obviously have a bias and suggest ideas with only 10 minutes of STF archery under their belt, if that. Also, take the scores of the handful (literally) of excellent, dedicated archers with a grain of salt (although even these players are having a tough time as well). It would be ludicrous to balance 2H or polearms due to a few great players, and I ask that we apply that same mentality to range.

P.S.

I've only skimmed through the topic, but I notice two reoccurring ideas. My opinion, as a dedicated archer for many months, follows;

1) Make archers more melee viable

Not a bad idea, but has some downfalls. First, a class should never be forced into hybridization or a different playstyle. If someone wants to be a dedicated archer, they should have that choice. I also fear that this would lead to a lot more melee-archer hybrids, leading to some difficult balance issues.

2) Reduce headshot damage by 10%

This one's a joke. How often does an archer get a headshot? I'd estimate about 5% of the time, more if using a weaker bow + high accuracy build, but still very low. Limb shots already do little damage, and headshots don't always kill even when they do land. Headshot damage definitely does not need a nerf, it is a good reward if you have the skill to land such a shot, which very few do. A nerf like this would do away with the weaker bow builds and force archers into an even narrower niche-build.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zanze on June 04, 2012, 06:09:41 pm
I don't exactly like Idlewild much, but I do support his post.

Put 2-3 points into shield and use one to get yourself into combat. A bunch of Acre guys do this and it drastically increases their survivability. (The ones who don't end up getting shot to death the moment they leave the shieldwall)

Stop whining that your 2h hero class that is as slow as molasses is getting shot by archers. That's what happened to them irl, that's whats going to happen to them ingame. Problem? Stop wading into the open in your full plate, it may take a few more shots to hit you but it really isn't that hard.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on June 05, 2012, 02:55:28 am
Zanze, IRL ''slow 2h molasses'' weren't not that slow and were mostly arrow proof, unlike now.

And I will not put 2-3 points in shields  (because I can't) if archer don't change their builds (to have more melee capacities, but still be at a disadvantage when I reach them), both sides should adapt.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Havoco on June 05, 2012, 03:08:15 am
Sometimes I wish there was no slot system and everyone used hybrid builds.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on June 05, 2012, 03:51:01 am
Able to hit anything without most people beign able to fight back?

LOL

Like everyone worth their salt has been saying, NOT IF YOU HAVE A SHIELD.  Or MOVE AROUND TRYING TO DODGE.  The only way we get to shoot a person is if they stay perfectly still, or don't vary their movement enough (if you're a decent archer), or get lucky (ie they run into the arrow). 

You realize that archers get between 30-45 arrows... and get like 1-2 kills a round?  6-12 arrows get to hit enemies... that's one in five arrows hitting an enemy.  Archery is really, really inaccurate.  Did you know if you're in first person view, the arrows hit a different place relative to the reticule than in third person view?

It's not like I'm biased.  I mostly play 2h with a shield.  But I also have had several ranged accounts.  If  you play with a 2h character that does not use a shield, it's a tradeoff you are making.  You are more vulnerable to ranged, at the tradeoff is that you can 1-shot everyone under level 20. 

Bob, I'm assuming you're BobtheHeroWhals that I've seen on siege/battle.  Running around in full plate with a mallet, getting top kills on your team consistently.  How are you seriously complaining about ranged?  Do you think you should be invincible with no counter?  Sorry mate, that's not how this game works.   :wink:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on June 05, 2012, 04:17:30 am
I play a 1h no shield actually, the maul and plate is when I am on defense most of the time.

I also have an archer alt, Not_Bobthehero_Whals, might have seen her, don't use her much, but by now I could have retired her hadn't I respec my side arm wpf to 1h.

As for the first person comment, well, I never play in third person, so I wouldn't know.

I can't allow points in skill shield, I don't have any avaible and I don't want to change my build, since y'know the point of cRPG is being able to play the character you want (excepter a plated character, because plate is the bane of everything), I an do fine agaisn't people in melee, okay-ish (30% success rate I'd say) vs cav when I stick with my Long Espada and proper jump stabbing, however I am mostly powerless agaisn't archer, while they can shoot me at their leisure, that sucks.

I am not agaisn't having people countering me, but I'd like to stand a minimum of change agaisn't my counter (just like a shield can beat a mauler or an axeman sometimes), rather than being pew pew'd to death.

And lastly, I have no WPF in 2h or in poles, I just like having a sidearm to my puny sword.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on June 05, 2012, 05:01:39 am
You can't try to change other classes because of a weakness in your particular build.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on June 05, 2012, 10:32:47 am
On the other hand a build that can take mine out without me being able to do anything is better, right?
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Post by: Kafein on June 05, 2012, 10:34:31 am
Why not? It's a prety simple tactic for two coordinated archers to bring down a shielder, anything wrong with it?

Yes, there are no counters to archers.

Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.



The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on June 05, 2012, 01:57:15 pm
On the other hand a build that can take mine out without me being able to do anything is better, right?

Archery takes practice and skill, same as all the other classes.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Overdriven on June 05, 2012, 02:27:10 pm
On the other hand a build that can take mine out without me being able to do anything is better, right?

That's a weakness in your build. You chose PS over PD and so suffer the consequences  :wink: If your team wasn't good enough to kill the enemies archers, then you just have to suffer.

Yes, there are no counters to archers.

Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.



The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)

That's not true. There's only been 1 or 2 archers that I can't catch with my hoplite build which is 21 agi and 7 ath. That's whilst wearing Pranoia armour and carrying a huscarl shield. I can out run most builds, even a lot of light archers. I've never had problems with them.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bigsean on June 05, 2012, 04:28:06 pm
Yes, there are no counters to archers.

Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.



The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)

Cause it's soooo easy to hit a fast moving horse's head right?

Natural counters:
Shielders
Cav
Any other range class (including cav ranged)

if you're serious, stick to beta testing holy crap
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on June 05, 2012, 04:56:05 pm
Yes, there are no counters to archers.

There are counters, shield, evasion and cav. You'll only have a hard time if you're outnumbered, obviously.

Cav die with an arrow in the horse's head, then in their body when downed, shielders get shot around their shield, shieldless melee get shot.

Actually, naked horses are surviving headshots the way they are now, despite being hard to hit, if the rider evades. Shielders only lose to archers if they're outnumbered, or unskilled. Shieldless melee evades, and will survive a few hits from the archer before catching up with him and 1 hit-killing him.

The ONLY way to kill archers is to swarm them. If you think that is fine, well, you are an idiot :)

No. You can swarm them, run up to them with a shield or an evasive behaviour, or surprise them form behind while they're shooting. This if you're a pure inf.
Overall, archery is not fine. It's not neary as rewarding as other classes, where a skilled and intelligent player gets 10-1 relatively easely. As an archer you're largely dependent on luck and support(from your kind).

The major problem with archery or cavaly, for that matter, are lazy meleers who keep demanding more ass wiping from the devs, instead of enjoying the favoured position they always had in this mod. You shamelessly demand an easier gaming experience, at the expence of other players who keep adapting for the love of the game and their class.

If you think nerfing archers more is of benefict to the game, you're the idiot and you're not helping anyone.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Gurnisson on June 05, 2012, 05:21:13 pm
Overall, archery is not fine. It's not neary as rewarding as other classes, where a skilled and intelligent player gets 10-1 relatively easely. As an archer you're largely dependent on luck and support(from your kind).

bagge scores way better as archer than as infantry or cav. It all depends on how you are a player. You can be a terrifying force on the battlefield as an archer if you're good at tracking shots and have good awareness.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bruce on June 05, 2012, 05:24:52 pm
Bagge is the only archer hero I've seen recently, where you go "crap, not bagge" when you see him on the other team.

Well, Tenne (who's been an archer forever, so it's part stubbornness I guess) and Thomas "teamhit" Cadairn (sp?) something are also good. Nebun, too, and he's been around forever.

Some other decent ones, but meh. As a whole it's unimpressive.


Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zanze on June 05, 2012, 05:28:03 pm
I've headshotted Release Arrows' +3 Destrier as he charged toward me. It didn't die, I got my face cut off as a result. I was a +3 Longbow with +0 bodkins.

Cav can easily counter archers if they wanted to. You don't have to get your horse shot like RA did, but you can circle out of range and when you notice the archer occupied, kill it. Hell, if he isn't occupied and is shooting at you, then he is not supporting his team which is still good.

Also, Bob, you're awesome. I'll be the first to say that, but if you refuse to bring a block of wood because it conflicts with your build, then nothing can help you vs archery. Just take a single point out of ironflesh for an old heater shield or old kite shield. It will block 2-3 arrows and cover your whole body. Using that in addition to sneaking up on the archer(tree to tree, building to building), you've got a surefire kill.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bruce on June 05, 2012, 06:20:34 pm
Archers can jump out of it, unless you're on a sarranid (arabian now) you don't have the agi to circle and kill if they do that. Safer to engage busy infantry, or archers if they are really busy (eg. trying to run away).

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kuyamzoleta on June 05, 2012, 06:32:18 pm
I can truthfully say that archery gets me more pissed than any other class I've played. I find it more rewarding to get kills than any other class, especially in a rapid succession. However, once infantry or cavalry close in on me they can dick all over me however they please.
Archers can jump out of it, unless you're on a sarranid (arabian now) you don't have the agi to circle and kill if they do that. Safer to engage busy infantry, or archers if they are really busy (eg. trying to run away).



There were countless times where sword cav just prancied up towards me and dicked all over me. This game is fine.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bryggan on June 05, 2012, 06:39:34 pm
There's nothing worse than dying at the beginning of a round cuz some archer shoots you in the back of the head because you weren't being careful- well, getting a lance in the back of the head for the same reason- or getting a sword in the back of the head...

As a relatively useless infantry I've never really had much problem with ranged.  The trick is not to fight enemies where they have archer cover.  It is annoying when they get that lucky random headshot, but otherwise no prob.  As a thrower I tried taking out cav that tries to flank us, and it seems like all the archers waste most of their arrows trying to kill the horses- not that easy actually.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: akapraf on June 05, 2012, 06:51:06 pm
There's nothing worse than dying at the beginning of a round cuz some archer shoots you in the back of the head because you weren't being careful- well, getting a lance in the back of the head for the same reason- or getting a sword in the back of the head...

As a relatively useless infantry I've never really had much problem with ranged.  The trick is not to fight enemies where they have archer cover.  It is annoying when they get that lucky random headshot, but otherwise no prob.  As a thrower I tried taking out cav that tries to flank us, and it seems like all the archers waste most of their arrows trying to kill the horses- not that easy actually.
+1
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on June 06, 2012, 12:48:31 am
Archery takes practice and skill, same as all the other classes.

A skilled archer will kill me all the time, a skilled melee with kill me 30-50% of the time.

There's your difference.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on June 06, 2012, 01:18:44 am
A skilled archer will kill me all the time, a skilled melee with kill me 30-50% of the time.

There's your difference.

Exept skilled archers in this mod are nerfed to the level of noob meleers. You can't even recognise skilled archers because of our crapy kill count. You're reffering to an archery champion, killing you all the time as you say.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on June 06, 2012, 01:31:53 am
I still dont get how people who are playing longer than a month are considering archery to be OP.

Archery is basicly a class that relies on their enemies being unaware or dumb enough to walk into their arrows, its the natural counter against stupidity. And even those people who are unaware are countering archery with out even knowing all the time, by randomly spazzing around like epileptics. The abillity to shoot is their one and only strenth and even when they manage to hit you with their slow and inaccurate missiles its not gamebreaking. Once you get close that advantage is gone and you are fighting a peasant who is inferior to you in any way. And on top of that, if you still cant manage to get it done right you can get a shield that makes you invulnurable, once used appropriately giving you a freekill with absolutely no skill required.

I wish there was a way to say this in a more polite way but you just have to l2p I guess.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Elmetiacos on June 06, 2012, 01:41:37 am
Once you get close that advantage is gone and you are fighting a peasant who is inferior to you in any way.
That arrogant attitude is how you end up dying in melee to an archer...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on June 06, 2012, 01:59:39 am
That arrogant attitude is how you end up dying in melee to an archer...

Yes it happens, I do it as well sometimes with 0 ps and a handaxe. But then again these people have to be extremely unskilled to lose against a pure archer in a melee fight. And the complaints of those people are obviously invalid as they lack experience to judge the balance appropriately.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on June 06, 2012, 02:55:49 am
slow and inaccurate missiles

lol, love it when i read a post by somebody lying about their own class, making it sound shit, when reality it's quite the opposite especially when you often face said person on battlefield and know they are BSing.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on June 06, 2012, 03:02:36 am
Yet they are slow and innacurate. Calling several people liars when you have little experience on the matter, doesn't really work. You'd be better off not posting at all, if its just unfounded trolling.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: OpenPalm on June 06, 2012, 03:25:13 am
158 noobs don't know how to avoid projectiles   8-)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: XyNox on June 06, 2012, 05:09:04 am
i iZ mealleee I hAz no 1dea whut me talkz about but aRchuWy OP cuZ mekes me sAd  :cry: :cry: :cry:

fixed
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on June 06, 2012, 07:44:04 pm
Yet they are slow and innacurate. Calling several people liars when you have little experience on the matter, doesn't really work. You'd be better off not posting at all, if its just unfounded trolling.

OBVIOUS ARCHER TROLL = ADAMARGAY

NERF RANGED!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: polkafranzi on June 06, 2012, 11:41:45 pm
fixed

Actually i'm HA atm.

Fail.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on June 17, 2012, 07:08:14 pm
71 body armor

36 str 11 if

2 body shots and dead from hospitaler itchy

one word to sum it up:

NERF
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on June 17, 2012, 07:31:02 pm
71 body armor

36 str 11 if

2 body shots and dead from hospitaler itchy

one word to sum it up:

NERF

wow.... WOW
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bjarky on June 17, 2012, 11:43:15 pm
lol
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on June 17, 2012, 11:47:47 pm
I suggest everyone defending archery makes a STF shielder and attack robinhood 1v1.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Baggy on June 17, 2012, 11:52:26 pm
I suggest we nerf ranged.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on June 19, 2012, 11:39:17 pm
nerf ranged and never caiter to troll player my old friends!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: JasonPastman on June 20, 2012, 12:20:59 am
SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: callahan9119 on June 20, 2012, 01:38:39 am
I suggest everyone defending archery makes a STF shielder and attack robinhood 1v1.

Make a shielder and duel a lancer...wtf is your point? Not everything should be balanced to the point where everyone is mollycoddled and kept from ever being in an unfair situation. I'm a shileder, I don't play archers and don't ever plan on it. I also don't think they are overpowered...for every Itchy there is 100 noobs who don't do anything.

Your arguments take exceptions and make them the rule. Like how you make being double kited by 2 archers a seemingly common occurrence.

Funny when you see many of the STR/Armor crutching 2 handed guys in here calling for nerfs to archery.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on June 20, 2012, 01:53:33 am
Whats really funny is only ranged players and huge newbs disagree with ranged needing nerfed
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 20, 2012, 01:58:19 am
Yes I completely agree with everything that has been said thus far.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: San on June 20, 2012, 02:44:33 am
71 body armor

36 str 11 if

2 body shots and dead from hospitaler itchy

one word to sum it up:

NERF

Sosarian is the plate of plate. I trust this.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: JasonPastman on June 20, 2012, 05:16:11 am
NERF RANGED NOW!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: callahan9119 on June 20, 2012, 05:23:25 am
NERF RANGED NOW!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: JasonPastman on June 20, 2012, 05:30:37 am
^ Stop stalking me dude :!:

but in all seriousness,

NERF RANGED NOW!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Baggy on June 20, 2012, 05:44:28 am
You're not getting your point across very clearly.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bryggan on June 20, 2012, 05:45:22 am
NERF EVERYONE BUT ME!!!! But seriously, if a single head shot insta-kill was good enough for King Harold, it's good enough for me.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: SixThumbs on June 20, 2012, 05:50:49 am
Somewhere in-between where it is now and where it was briefly when I could walk around with 7+ arrows before worrying about my health would probably be good. It's especially disheartening when my large warhorse decked out in mail, being a large target, goes down in about three arrows but again it did seem really unfair during that brief patch where arrows did practically no damage to my horse.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sultan Eren on July 29, 2012, 05:59:33 pm
Melee gaming motherfuckers.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: F i n on July 29, 2012, 06:01:00 pm
Gay PPL UNITE!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on July 29, 2012, 06:03:06 pm
Since I made this thread I started using the xbow. Must fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sultan Eren on July 29, 2012, 06:04:08 pm
30 str 10 if 70 body armor
2 hit in the body
fuck you
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Overdriven on July 29, 2012, 06:06:52 pm
16 str 0 if 43 body armor
3 hit in the body
fuck you
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: F i n on July 29, 2012, 06:09:32 pm
0 if,
23 body armour
0 hits

dodged ya!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on July 29, 2012, 10:07:13 pm
newbs need more ar and if obviously
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bagge on July 29, 2012, 10:11:10 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Nerf ranged in Strat at least. Ranged are destroying cRPG. No fun, NO FUUN!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Tor! on July 29, 2012, 11:00:10 pm
Anyone who's been on EU1 this evening.. The amount  :shock:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on July 29, 2012, 11:04:47 pm
Anyone who's been on EU1 this evening.. The amount  :shock:

Is ranged that bad on your side of the pond?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Tor! on July 29, 2012, 11:15:26 pm
think its about the worst I've seen right now  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 29, 2012, 11:19:19 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sultan Eren on July 30, 2012, 12:44:26 am
Bagge, I love you dude. Shoot me thousand times and i say nothing.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zandieer on July 30, 2012, 12:45:36 am
Anyone who's been on EU1 this evening.. The amount  :shock:

It... it was beautiful :)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 30, 2012, 12:47:14 am
I suggest everyone defending archery makes a STF shielder and attack robinhood 1v1.

I've made buff/fix shields topic because of that among other things.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bonze on July 30, 2012, 02:46:34 am
Today : EU1 , 70 % of my team are fucking super fast running  archer/xbow clowns  with ridiculous  k/D
Fuck this shit really ..rename this mod to  "c-rpg london 2012 olympic archery marathon race"

the no honour (my old friendchery) lobby is very strong in this mod   :(
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 30, 2012, 02:50:38 am
Today : EU1 , 70 % of my team are fucking super fast running  archer/xbow clowns  with ridiculous  k/D
Fuck this shit really ..rename this mod to  "c-rpg london 2012 olympic archery marathon race"

the no honour (my old friendchery) lobby is very strong in this mod   :(

Probably because people like me are sick to death of the cav spam, and roll range to harass them. If Light Cav was not so prevalent, I would actually bother with a melee main.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Lichen on July 30, 2012, 03:28:42 am
Today : EU1 , 70 % of my team are fucking super fast running  archer/xbow clowns  with ridiculous  k/D
Fuck this shit really
It's funny and also pathetic to see how quickly many veteran players go into rage/hate mode when their usual huge k/d spree is disrupted even just for a short time. Want to talk about 'ridiculous k/d' simply view any good melee player. Only the very top archers have a k/d to match good melee'r. Archers don't go into a server and go 'wtf server is filled with melee...whine/rage'.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on July 30, 2012, 08:09:12 am
Whats really funny is only ranged players and huge newbs disagree with ranged needing nerfed

Well of course. Why would any melee player not want it nerfed? It benefits them in every way.
But anyways, I don't think it needs to be nerfed. There's a few archers out there who wreck shit, but that's because they have all there shit loomed and most are past 31, not to mention you know, they're good at it. If you have all your shit loomed and/or are past 31 as melee, you'll wreck too. It's how the games goes. Ranged is fine. Except throwing, throwing might need a slight nerf, but nothing drastic.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bagge on July 30, 2012, 11:03:47 am
Bagge, I love you dude. Shoot me thousand times and i say nothing.

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 30, 2012, 11:18:59 am
Think I'll go back to ranged too. Lets kill all cav & 2H until they are fed up with this game and this becomes pure ranged mod.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Son Of Odin on July 30, 2012, 11:21:25 am
Think I'll go back to ranged too. Lets kill all cav & 2H until they are fed up with this game and this becomes pure ranged mod.
And then they can change the webpage domain again, to rangedgaming.com

Oh and Tor I think we Fallen bois were infecting the server with our archer alts quite massively :D.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Plavor on July 30, 2012, 11:48:34 am
Fallens are ok, not many badass archers as good as bagge :))
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 30, 2012, 06:55:59 pm
Currently leveling an archer and I regret it. Should choose xbow instead.

Everyone should try leveling an archer, it's fun :D
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zerran on July 30, 2012, 06:59:55 pm
Currently leveling an archer and I regret it. Should choose xbow instead.

Everyone should try leveling an archer, it's fun :D

I've recently been doing just this. I find that I rage much less when killed by xbows/archers now that I've actually played them.

Also it is actually pretty fun.  :oops:
Title: Don't nerf ranged
Post by: Nessaj on July 30, 2012, 07:14:59 pm
Don't nerf archers.

There's just a huge influx of archers due to various reasons, such as people countering whatever class is mostly represented at any current moment.
Plus for example players making STF's of random classes, one week it's a hundred more archers, next week cav, then crossbowers, bla. Everything changes around a lot.

The class it self is pretty much balanced, or at least very close. Jump-shooting can be debated :wink:

That said, IMO:

Buff the use of shields (Speed & Durability).

Buff damage very slightly on a majority of 1hand weapons (don't touch the speed).
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sultan Eren on July 30, 2012, 07:48:59 pm
Nerfing them will decrease their amount.
Title: Re: Don't nerf ranged
Post by: Nessaj on July 30, 2012, 07:57:30 pm
Yes, of course, and then everyone will switch to another class, and another and another and another...
Because people change specialization depending on the current environment. We would just keep repeating the never-ending circle of balancing, which is common in every game with class balancing.

There's way too few shield users in general and playing 1hand+shield is by far the hardest (especially without looms, and even with a loomed 1hander you glance a lot on high-end armour).
IMO shielders should be the most represented class on the field, as they were in medieval times.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: darmaster on July 30, 2012, 08:04:30 pm
hmm the problem is that when they start putting the ath they are fuckin untouchable.. just look at robinhood, these things shouldn't exist: i mean, as a 1h i have to be scaried by an archer when i'm at 0.5 mt from him? and imo the damage should be decreased by 15-20 %
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Paniolo808 on July 30, 2012, 08:33:33 pm
Nerf everything in this game so it's shitty and clunky and unenjoyable.
Wipe all the looms and reset everyone to 0.
Remove all the weapons and make CRPG into a kick-punching game.


DO IT.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zerran on July 30, 2012, 08:42:56 pm
The damage of an average archer really isn't that bad. The problem comes when you've got an archer with a +3 bow and +3 arrows combined with a high strength build. If you keep nerfing archery as a whole, you'll just see more and more that are like that.

As such, I'd say it would be better to:

1. Give an incentive for archers to get at least a little melee ability, so they have less excuse to run. (I have no idea how to do this though)

2. Somehow level out the damage from high strength archer builds, so they don't outdamage more balanced builds by as much. Perhaps make powerdraw give diminishing returns past, say, 6 PD while eating up more WPF.

3. Nerf the damage from looming bows/arrows. Maybe give them a little more ammo/missile speed bonus instead.

4. Somehow slow the faster archers down. Perhaps make it such that anyone with a bow equipped has their athletics capped at a certain value (perhaps 4-5 ath), but if they drop the bow, their ath returns to its full value.

5. Make all ranged get staggered from nearby enemies at a much further range than they currently do. (perhaps 1-2 meters)


Again, I don't think the average archer needs to be nerfed at all (in fact I think they're perfectly balanced right now), rather the extremes need to be dealt with. (Very high strength builds that can 2 shot heavy armor, and very fast running-archer builds that deal little damage but can't be killed)

Also shotgunning needs to be removed. It's incredibly easy (especially with xbows and throwing), deals massive damage, and is very much against the whole concept of a RANGED class. The fact that pretty much any scrub can grab an arbalest and run around with it aimed, then easily shoot someone for 90% of their life from a meter away is just absurd (and yes, I've done this many times, it's insanely easy.)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Penitent on July 30, 2012, 08:48:19 pm
Why nerf archers? 

Because there are too many?  Just wait a while, the numbers will decrease.  I'd hate playing this game if the teams were ALWAYS a perfect balance of 1h/2h/pole/cav ranged.  It's good to mix the ratios up now and then and have to adapt.  Challenge and variability=fun!

Is it because they are killing you, or you think they are OP?  Check out my guide in the guide section!
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Post by: _Tak_ on July 30, 2012, 08:50:49 pm
nerf infantry instead please
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Post by: karasu on July 30, 2012, 08:53:13 pm
Save ranged, nerf crpg
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Lichen on July 30, 2012, 08:55:01 pm
The damage of an average archer really isn't that bad. The problem comes when you've got an archer with a +3 bow and +3 arrows combined with a high strength build.


I would rather have all higher tier armors invulnerable to cut arrows completely than nerf high strength archers. If archers are nerfed then cav is going to have to be nerfed as well.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 30, 2012, 09:00:11 pm
As low level archer with looms I see two problems with archery:
1) after 160 wpp in archery things become "interesting" (basing this on my previous archery experience)
2) ath gives them kiting ability, that's why most of them have 8 or 9 ath (nebun)

With 128 in archery, loomed horn bow and 5 PD I can't hit shit.
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Post by: Silveredge on July 30, 2012, 09:03:13 pm
I would rather have all higher tier armors invulnerable to cut arrows completely than nerf high strength archers. If archers are nerfed then cav is going to have to be nerfed as well.

Can't tell if serious...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Zerran on July 30, 2012, 09:03:49 pm
Why nerf archers? 

Because there are too many?  Just wait a while, the numbers will decrease.  I'd hate playing this game if the teams were ALWAYS a perfect balance of 1h/2h/pole/cav ranged.  It's good to mix the ratios up now and then and have to adapt.  Challenge and variability=fun!

Is it because they are killing you, or you think they are OP?  Check out my guide in the guide section!

I've seen something very similar with pikes/longspears. People see the capabilities of each of the two weapons, and they combine them, thinking that both weapons are capable of all the positive things.

In a similar manner, I think people see an archer with a crazy high agi build that can't be caught, an archer with a really high strength build that two shots tincans, and then they combine them and think archers can two shot tincans, and run at the speed of a courser.

I'm currently leveling up a 21/18 7PD 6PS 4Ath 6WM 152 Bow WPF 50 2H WPF, archer, and find it to be quite balanced.

I would rather have all higher tier armors invulnerable to cut arrows completely than nerf high strength archers. If archers are nerfed then cav is going to have to be nerfed as well.

I don't think this will be the case. High strength archers have garbage accuracy and need to be pretty close to actually hit their target. Their actual damage output isn't as good as a balanced archer, rather they deal massive damage at very close range, which you generally don't get against cav.

Additionally, I suggested replacing some (not all) of the damage bonus on arrows and bows with more arrows, and higher missile speed. This would actually make it easier to kill cav, as high missile speeds means less trajectory guesswork is needed, and more arrows means more shots.

Though now that you mention it, I'd like to add a part to that suggestion to buff the damage horses take from ranged.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Cris on July 30, 2012, 11:32:42 pm
People still complain about archery? XD

It'd be nice to have the old cRPG back for a day a month or so, that way people see how much archery has been nerfed. (FYI: Old cRPG was faster reload [native animation], more PD for many people, better arrows [all piercing damage] and much more accurate).

There are melee servers for those that really dislike ranged players :-)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on July 31, 2012, 12:56:40 pm
And the missile speed was also nerfed twice.
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Post by: wanteds on July 31, 2012, 01:13:46 pm
And the missile speed was also nerfed twice.

how is missile speed nerfed when archers shoot enemy spawn from their own spawn and actually get kills? O_o
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2012, 02:09:27 pm
That's pure luck.
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Post by: ThePoopy on July 31, 2012, 02:31:50 pm
nope
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Post by: Michael on July 31, 2012, 02:49:26 pm
Like deprav said (in better English): Running around without even a shield and complaining about being hit by ranged is another form of retardism

I never liked rangers. Its the most nooby class right after cavalry.
But when some people want to play as rangers, let them without killing their class just because you dont have the brain to use a shield.
Go play native, and see how ranged is there.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2012, 02:51:25 pm
Nah, playing with greatsword is the most nooby thing in this mod. You don't need a brain to be decent with it. Stab, then stab a little more, keep stabbing...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on July 31, 2012, 02:54:25 pm
Nah, playing with greatsword is the most nooby thing in this mod. You don't need a brain to be decent with it. Stab, then stab a little more, keep stabbing...
I take it thats pointed at me?  :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2012, 02:57:19 pm
It's not like you're the only doing that. I used to avoid stabbing all the time, but as of lately, whenever I get on my main that's exactly what I do all the time. Playing on alts makes me mad, then I come with greatsword main and lolstab and hiltslash shielders like there's no tomorrow.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Corsair831 on July 31, 2012, 03:01:52 pm
with the new instant-stab as well it's just crazy powerful
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2012, 03:50:37 pm
I'm not sure will I survive this. Was standing on mountain slope and wasted all 30 bodkins arrows and haven't hit shit (currently 140 wpp in archery). When I manage to hit something, with 5 PD and MW Hornbow it's just not enough to kill anything. Should choose MW Xbow or MW Arbalest instead.

Have played many gimped builds, used pitchfork last gen but this... this build just doesn't work.

If there are still people wondering why archers put all their wpp in archery, answer is: because they have to.

True melee/archery hybrid is the most gimped shit I've tried. Bloody pitchfork, without paulstagger and with this latest turnspeed bullshit gives way better results.

Will keep it up till 30, if nothing changes (and nothing will, because I have 4 more points to put in archery) I'll have to quit playing this alt.

This is more frustrating than playing peasant in old cRPG, where Finns and other retards killed you just by bumping.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Michael on July 31, 2012, 07:55:03 pm
Nah, playing with greatsword is the most nooby thing in this mod. You don't need a brain to be decent with it. Stab, then stab a little more, keep stabbing...

Thats what I am saying all the time.

crpg already is 2h/pole-paradise

Should have been more precise: in native (Vaegir for example) archer is the most nooby class after cavalry, but in crpg archery has been nerfed enough.

The stereotype crpg player plays 2h/pole because its the only class he can get some kills, he doesnt understand shield and ranged is very weak to counter 2h/pole effectively.
But instead of realizing that some players are simply better, they cry for even more nerfs of their 'opponents'.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Strider on July 31, 2012, 08:12:39 pm
Bro I'm sorry to say. But your infamy just went down by 50.  :cry:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Sultan Eren on August 03, 2012, 02:42:18 am
FUCK YOU EVEN MORE! SERIOUSLY WTF IS THAT! I QUIT PLAYING!

(click to show/hide)

No looms, rus bow and tatar arrows, have rarely played archer before.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: bagge on August 03, 2012, 04:56:22 am
how is missile speed nerfed when archers shoot enemy spawn from their own spawn and actually get kills? O_o

Yeah, cause that happens every round, yes?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 03, 2012, 08:53:46 am
Yeah, cause that happens every round, yes?

Whenever YOU are online  :P
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: YnScN on August 03, 2012, 11:20:14 am
FUCK YOU EVEN MORE! SERIOUSLY WTF IS THAT! I QUIT PLAYING!

(click to show/hide)

No looms, rus bow and tatar arrows, have rarely played archer before.

Show us your  K.D ratio
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on August 03, 2012, 11:24:47 am
buff xbow pls, 1 bagge's arrow make same dmg to me as daves noloomed arbalest.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Taser on August 03, 2012, 11:51:09 am
I always wonder why people keep calling for nerfs for ranged. They've been nerfed into the ground. You will rarely see an archer do well enough to top the scoreboard and on the rare chance you do, its a good archer/xbow/thrower. (haven't seen throwers at the top but I would assume it has happened at least once. Chucky is good at throwing.)

Archers are pretty strong with loomed stuff but they have so many restrictions on them (wpf allocation, weight limit, armor limit, melee ability) that I think its fine. Melee players don't have any restrictions on them whatsoever. Armor weight doesn't affect them nearly as much to the point where many melee players don't even use WM (which will be changed soon so that complaint may be void later).
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on August 03, 2012, 12:33:30 pm
still archery is way stronger then xbow. the only reason is that xbow can be hybrid or in armor and weapon, but bow vs xbow- bow is better.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Tor! on August 03, 2012, 04:28:30 pm
Leshma, why on earth do you only have 5pd and 140wpf? And dont tell me it's because you want a hybrid, because that's easily achievable with 6pd!

Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Leshma on August 03, 2012, 04:42:13 pm
Now I have 150 wpp in archery but I'm playing as swashbuckler most of the time :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on August 03, 2012, 07:47:35 pm
still archery is way stronger then xbow. the only reason is that xbow can be hybrid or in armor and weapon, but bow vs xbow- bow is better.

Actually xbows are exellent for killing archers because archers have crap armor and have to stay still and time their shots perfectly, meaning the xbow just needs to keep his crosshair on the archer and wait until he tries to shoot(sniping).
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: duurrr on August 03, 2012, 09:33:32 pm
range is fine, its countered by more range so its totally balanced.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on August 03, 2012, 09:41:00 pm
Range has been nerfed severely so it can be countered by any class, if the player knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: downgrade on August 07, 2012, 05:39:13 am
im sorry it takes skill to play a ranger, you have to ajust hight and lead your targets not to mention its lower dmg then 1 hitting someone with a mace, dont like it buy a sheild, get a horse. learn to dodge. archers are frickin garbage now. you dont like range i dont like melee, lets make melee so they can only take 1 step a min, that sounds fair right? oh and they lose 1% for every weight over 10 and 4x for helm and 2x for gloves and make them swing slower for the higher power strike just like archers. oh and lets make their weapons brake after 20 hits. that sounds fair right?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Skrubb on August 07, 2012, 08:57:29 am
I do... I do... I do HATE ranged. With all my heart and soul.

BUT

Whenever I try to go one generation while being an archer I notice that I really can't do much damage.

To be any good at archery you NEED NEED NEED +3  Bow and +3  Arrows.

I have seen so many of my arrows bounce right off plate as they bring a War Cleaver to Molest my beautiful face.

Range is FINE as it is.. Just be glad archery doesn't provide a reticle the size of a raisin and hit like a train as it does in native.

LEAVE IT. no more nerfs

SKRUBBIN OUT
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Muunilinst on August 07, 2012, 08:58:32 am
not true i made a STF charachter and toppen scoreboard in last week
(dont nerf ranged its ok)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on August 08, 2012, 01:06:27 am
SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on August 08, 2012, 01:08:12 am
can we buff brains :?:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Miwiw on August 08, 2012, 01:09:00 am
can we buff brains :?:

denied, not worth it
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on August 08, 2012, 01:12:12 am
denied, not worth it
You wouldn't know  :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Miwiw on August 08, 2012, 01:12:42 am
Yup
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on August 16, 2012, 02:39:42 am
nerf asap
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Smoketh on August 16, 2012, 06:35:35 am
Buff range, throwing, and cav. Engage hardcore mode melee crpg.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: rAve on August 16, 2012, 10:15:54 am
NERF ALL, increase speed boost given by ath 10 times! let inf run faster then cav, all problems will be solved :p
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: SMEGMAR on August 22, 2012, 08:27:21 pm
ITT: mad 2h / polemy old friends with no battlefield awareness.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on August 22, 2012, 09:43:17 pm
ITT: mad 2h / polemy old friends with no battlefield awareness.

more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter

we play this game for MELEE

maybe you didn't know that you huge newb
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on August 22, 2012, 10:18:21 pm
more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter

we play this game for MELEE

maybe you didn't know that you huge newb

Give this man a medal.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Rumblood on August 22, 2012, 10:23:14 pm
more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter

we play this game for MELEE

maybe you didn't know that you huge newb

Who is We?

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Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on August 22, 2012, 10:57:26 pm
rofl granpappy badmin that was awsome
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Duckzern on August 22, 2012, 11:06:42 pm
Nerf Ranged!

And then give 2h/Polearm the gameplay of Dynasty Warriors.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: PanPan on August 22, 2012, 11:14:03 pm
Lol I tought that this was a new thread but it got reincarnated...

Minused dat thread already.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on August 23, 2012, 12:20:05 am
poster above is obviously a huge newb
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on August 23, 2012, 07:36:50 pm
Yes thread autor is obviously an huge newb.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Aderyn on August 23, 2012, 07:57:56 pm
I'm sorry sossarian knight but your build is like what? 36/3?

Stop whining about range and get a more balanced build or put 1-2 points into shield. Not like your gonna catch ANYONE with 3 agi anyways.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on August 23, 2012, 08:24:45 pm
 SAVE CRPG! LOCK THREAD
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on August 23, 2012, 08:39:28 pm
SAVE CRPG! LOCK THREAD
+1 IT
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 23, 2012, 08:42:01 pm
ITT: mad 2h / polemy old friends with no battlefield awareness.

That and they were used to not having archers on the servers for months up until recently.  And they are unwilling to try and use tactics or teamwork, because they are 1 man armies.

Their tactic is to overwhelm the dev's on the forums with the same complaints over and over, and louder and louder.  Which is actually not a bad tactic considering all the large nerfs we've seen have come after a lot of noise was made on the forums.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bobthehero on August 23, 2012, 08:53:06 pm
I'm sorry sossarian knight but your build is like what? 36/3?

Stop whining about range and get a more balanced build or put 1-2 points into shield. Not like your gonna catch ANYONE with 3 agi anyways.

Ah yes because one of those shitty shields with 1-2 shields will SO MANY ARROWS OHMYGOD.

Also, if he respecs and change his build, you must start 0 ath archer, okay?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 23, 2012, 09:17:46 pm
A slow moving person is being targeted by archers on the open battlefield, by himself, and can't do anything to combat it without a shield or the ability to move faster.  What's wrong with that?  Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Jarold on August 23, 2012, 10:21:08 pm
I hated archers because I kept getting harrased by arrows and their camping spots. So I went archer and I found its hard ( well for me ) to hit targets far away multiple times, especially with the slow ass draw. So then I solved my problem....I went one handed shielder  :lol:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Mlekce on August 24, 2012, 12:31:42 am
I just played little siedge after some time,and i am so sorry that there is not way to put cav and archers there.
So many 2h plated cunts with poleaxes,danishes,morningstars just rushing with their 21/18 and 15/24 builds duying,killing shitloads of ppl.
Archers and lancers would own this my old friends on eu1 all the time. Basicly recipe for siedge is get as much armor you can,get as much athl u can,danish and spam.
I love archers and lancers now,and i would like to see more of them in eu1 because only noobs die to them,and cunts from eu5.
Archers are actualy keeping those ppl from entering to eu1 and i am grateful to them for this.
Buff archery!!!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Lord_Craton on August 24, 2012, 12:43:07 am
+1 for nerfing archery :idea:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: duurrr on August 24, 2012, 01:08:15 am
should be able to chamber arrows with the use of playerskill

sadly i have no fucking idea how you could implement this, what about just removing range as a whole? man thatd be beautiful
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on August 24, 2012, 02:20:09 pm
should be able to chamber arrows with the use of playerskill

sadly i have no fucking idea how you could implement this, what about just removing range as a whole? man thatd be beautiful
removing idiots from the game should be better.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: MrShine on August 24, 2012, 02:45:08 pm
I think the best part of this thread is the fact that Sosarian_Knight is the OP.  Mr full strength heavy armor bigass glaive & crossbow, I've seen you take an insane amount of ranged fire and survive.  I think I remember seeing you survive 4 or 5 xbow bolts in battle on ice a week or so back :D

also canttellifseriousortrolling.gif
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: GuiKa on August 24, 2012, 08:18:04 pm
Masterwork bow/arrow does to much damage, other think about ranged are ok ... nerf loomed ranged.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: MrShine on August 25, 2012, 02:27:21 pm
Masterwork bow/arrow does to much damage, other think about ranged are ok ... nerf loomed ranged.

Last night I got hit by one arrow and lost 90% of my life, either from Hospitaller_Havoc or ToD, both of which I believe have loomed equipment and high PD (at least I think ToD has 8?)  I was stunned for a moment, since that pretty much never happens.

Then I realized that I was on my alt...
...in light armor...
...who is level 23...
...with 12 strength no IF...
...running towards them w/ 7 athletics...
So yes, an archer with a MW rus bow & likely MW arrows & high PD did ~40 damage to my dude in light armor. 

:thehorror:

In the meantime I've been 1 shot countless times by pretty much everything else at least once.



Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: TurmoilTom on August 25, 2012, 02:58:52 pm
Masterwork bow/arrow does to much damage, other think about ranged are ok ... nerf loomed ranged.

I roll 10 Str 0 IF and I can take at the very least 3 arrows before I die when wearing my Lordly Khergit Lamellar and regular Mail Gauntlets. 45 body armor.

And as Shine said, meanwhile I'm getting one-shotted by, quite literally, everything else in the game.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Gozer the Carpathian on August 25, 2012, 03:48:30 pm
Heck even as a Gen 1 guy in Druz Lamallar I can take a few arrows before going down.  They annoy the heck out of me but I don't think their OP. 
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Post by: Piok on August 25, 2012, 06:21:57 pm
I roll 10 Str 0 IF and I can take at the very least 3 arrows before I die when wearing my Lordly Khergit Lamellar and regular Mail Gauntlets. 45 body armor.

And as Shine said, meanwhile I'm getting one-shotted by, quite literally, everything else in the game.
My alt is now lvl 26 12/26 no IF and I am oneshoted pretty often by rus, horn and longbow. Actually one year ago I used 12/27 often with lammelar vest and survived 2 or 3 arrows from same bows.
Now I use only tabbart cos my 24/21 no IF main in loomed kuyak  often go down after 2 hits from medium distance.
So I think we play different game 8-)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: MrShine on August 25, 2012, 06:34:08 pm
My alt is now lvl 26 12/26 no IF and I am oneshoted pretty often by rus, horn and longbow. Actually one year ago I used 12/27 often with lammelar vest and survived 2 or 3 arrows from same bows.
Now I use only tabbart cos my 24/21 no IF main in loomed kuyak  often go down after 2 hits from medium distance.
So I think we play different game 8-)
Now I use only tabbart cos my 24/21 no IF main in loomed kuyak  often go down after 2 hits from medium distance.
Now I use only tabbart
tabbart
tabbart

E: Also Ironflesh is critical to helping against ranged damage, if you don't tend to go IF on your builds I suggest you consider it.  that 8-16 HP you could have had would likely be the difference between being 2 and 3 shot by ranged.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arrowblood on August 25, 2012, 07:02:34 pm
Why do people wonder getting twohitted by the highest damaging bow ingame, why do people wonder getting 2 hitted by  the highest damaging 2 hander ingame, why do people wonder....
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Piok on August 25, 2012, 07:28:07 pm
Why do people wonder getting twohitted by the highest damaging bow ingame, why do people wonder getting 2 hitted by  the highest damaging 2 hander ingame, why do people wonder....
Maybe because its mount and blade and not run and gun. 
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Radament on August 25, 2012, 09:07:22 pm
Why do people wonder getting twohitted by the highest damaging bow ingame, why do people wonder getting 2 hitted by  the highest damaging 2 hander ingame, why do people wonder....

just think about this build , i'm not qqing about archer damage but i qq about their invincibility against 2+ 2handers or worse shielders.

Level 34 (71 139 224 xp)

    Strength: 18
    Agility: 27
    Hit points: 53

    Converted: 12
    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 0
    Shield: 0
    Athletics: 9
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 6
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 8

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 176
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

you can obviously dominate the server , just kite if you are in trouble , simple as that , maybe dodge some horses occasionally.
someone posted a good suggestion thread about it --> http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/how-to-make-archery-more-fun-for-everyone/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/how-to-make-archery-more-fun-for-everyone/)
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: SMEGMAR on August 25, 2012, 11:02:30 pm
more like raging ranged nerds who couldn't make it in a real shooter

we play this game for MELEE

maybe you didn't know that you huge newb

Butthurt polemy old friend detected, I'm SO sorry ranged are given a chance to succeed.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on October 29, 2012, 08:07:14 am
SAVE CRPG!

NERF RANGED
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on October 29, 2012, 12:30:39 pm
SAVE CRPG!

NERF RANGED
lol

*And so, the crusade contentious*
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2012, 02:57:23 pm
This has taken a whole new meaning with the perfect accuracy bug.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Boss_Awesome on October 29, 2012, 06:24:58 pm
This has taken a whole new meaning with the perfect accuracy bug.

It's actually a feature since the devs felt they had overnerfed archery.  Cmpx is just trolling by calling it a bug.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on October 29, 2012, 08:27:53 pm
LOL, buffing archery.. what a joke... thats a sure way to drive away population...
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 29, 2012, 08:32:30 pm
I have to play siege to avoid getting shot each round / life. But I think battle is most fun. But hey, the ranged accuracy "bug" made the server full of HAs. Give them HAs some luve'
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Bill Crispy on October 30, 2012, 01:28:59 pm
SAVE CRPG!

NERF RANGED
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Aderyn on October 30, 2012, 02:27:47 pm
this thread was made by a 39/3 build. Please stop posting in it. He deserves to get shot to death  :twisted:
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Mogh on October 30, 2012, 03:01:29 pm
SAVE RANGED

NERF CRPG!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Piok on October 30, 2012, 03:07:16 pm
Just allow max 24 arrows per my old friend. Size of big quiver.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Arry on October 30, 2012, 03:18:43 pm
Why is it that homosexuals are the ones people refer to when something annoys them? :/

And no, I could not care the less about this topic. If one wants something to be nerfed, he/she can make a proper topic first, as the rest will just follow the example of the starter of the topic.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Tzar on October 30, 2012, 04:43:30 pm
Why is it that homosexuals are the ones people refer to when something annoys them? :/

And no, I could not care the less about this topic. If one wants something to be nerfed, he/she can make a proper topic first, as the rest will just follow the example of the starter of the topic.

Homosexuals are very feminine an would avoid fighting as much as possible like a sissy.. Hence the term my old friendchers
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: wanteds on October 30, 2012, 05:18:03 pm
Homosexuals are very feminine an would avoid fighting as much as possible like a sissy.. Hence the term my old friendchers
I hear ya bro!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Opium.dk on October 30, 2012, 05:22:50 pm
You cant save what is allready dead
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: rAve on October 30, 2012, 07:22:27 pm
i still agree, remove ranged, bring back zombie the zombies!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Turk_Otto_Knight on November 03, 2012, 07:26:45 pm
Dont remove ranged :(
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Weewum on November 03, 2012, 08:20:22 pm
SAVE RANGED

NERF CRPG!
http://forum.meleegaming.com/spam/saved-ranged!-nerf-c-rpg!/

 Posted a day before you.
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on November 03, 2012, 10:23:03 pm
this thread was made by a 39/3 build. Please stop posting in it. He deserves to get shot to death  :twisted:

I've never been 39/3 and right now i'm 27/12 with a shield!
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on November 03, 2012, 10:23:30 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/spam/saved-ranged!-nerf-c-rpg!/

 Posted a day before you.

u silly goose
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Ad1no on November 25, 2012, 05:13:55 pm
argument is more valid than ever with the population getting lower..........
Title: Re: SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED
Post by: Adamar on November 25, 2012, 05:21:23 pm
*cough cough* Tripple post *cough* Ban *cough cough*