I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.
I am dead.
Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...
I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.
I am dead.
Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...
Jesus. You're whining about not being able to spam a 2h weapon? I thought you were talking about equal conditions fastness. It's just normal that if they parry, you need to parry their attack unless they hesitate.
I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.
I am dead.
Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...
I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.
I am dead.
Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...
wait so he is a lvl 30 peasant wut? your story keeps changing, sounds like you tried to duke it out turtle vs hammer, lost and got mad:lol:
HarmlessPeasant is the name of the player.
And Harmless Peasant also happens to be one of the absolute best players on the US servers, typically going 30 and 3.
So I guess based on this information the biggest advantage 1h has is the shield. The biggest problem 1h has is the shield.
:|
I'm not convinced you weren't just outplayed. Either way, shielders get lots of advantages too, if one slow weapon-class can get through your shield, I wouldn't say that's too horrible.
Depends, though. Shields aren't always disadvantaged in melee... sure, you're slower and your strikes are easier to block, but you also can't be killed unless you fuck up and fall for a feint.
2h is slow ? Crushing weapons are slow ? where ?
I love how 1Handers keep whining all the time, 1H+Shield is now the most powerful build and they still whine. If you are outspammed put your shield on your back and you will spam the hell out of anyone with your 100+ speed swords. Just look on the servers, if 1H+shield would be that bad there wouldn't be so many shielders out there. However 1handers keep getting buffed :rolleyes:
153 wpf, 101 Niuweidao and Harmless Peasant consistently outswings me with 1wpf in 2h with the wooden hammer.
Simply not true.
I got one of the fastest possible while still practical 2h builds.
masterwork katana 104 speed
25 agi / will be 27
171 2h wpf
Even low level 18-22 lvl shielders can get a hit in between my swings. If you can't, check your ping, your system or learn to react faster.
I never even try to "outspam" a shielder as it is suicide to try to do so. Only times I hack away at a shield is if i meet some obviously scared player that never attacks, but only backpedals, and I have time and safety to hack his shield to pieces. (requires a lot of hits) But even this is very rare.
Stop spreading the myth that katanas can outspam everything. Yes it's the fastest 2h but it's not THAT fast.
This is indeed a serious problem. I suggest that you view this link and tell me what you think about what you see there and how it could influence 2h vs 1h+shield combat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k&feature=player_embedded#!)
Best because he can bypass my entire spec with a single parry, 1wpf, and a cheap but devastating 2h weapon.
Nerf Katana now, it's too fast, even a fat kid with no WPF can spam it.
Proof:
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Hell, make us have to manual block with them, that's fine.
Actually 2h warriors were highly paid elite troops
http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html
Here read actually alot of good historical info there and elsewhere
I know history is forbidden but allowing gorath to talk out of his ass to further his weapon lobbying is retarded
"The two-handed sword was a specialized and effective infantry weapon, and was recognized as such in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries
true two-handed swords (epee's a deux main) or "two-handers" were actually Renaissance, not Medieval weapons.
These weapons were used primarily for fighting among pike-squares where they would hack paths through knocking aside poles, possibly even lobbing the ends off opposing halberds and pikes then slashing and stabbing among the ranks. Wielded by the largest and most impressive soldiers (Doppelsoldners, who received double pay), they were also used to guard banners and castle walls. The Italian humanist historian Paulus Jovius writing in the early 1500s also described the two-hand great sword as being used by Swiss soldiers to chop the shafts of pikes at the battle of Fornovo in 1495.
among 16th century armies the adoption of the two-handers was very limited and in comparison with the pike or the halberd did not play a meaningful role. In the infantry unit, the German and Swiss Landsknechts positioned the Doppelsöldner (Soldiers who received double pay for wielding the two-handers) in the front ranks for a long time to strike down the opposing pikes and to hack out breaches into which one's own soldiers could penetrate. However it would become unusable, as soon as the opposing forces collided with one another, and there would be increased pressure from the back ranks onto the front ranks, which created a thick melee. Thus, sometime around the middle of the 16th century it (the two-hander) disappeared from war and mutated into a form of guard and ceremonial weapon with a symbolic character.
two-handed greatswords were used less for fighting against armors and more for open battlefield where pike and halberd formations were combined with firearms.
combined with firearms.
I wasn't saying there were armies of 2handers just that they did exist
As far as I know, shields and one handed weapons were largely phased out after plate armour started to become more common place.During the time when plate armour started to become common place the weapons of choice were the pole-weapons. Poleaxes, bec de corbins, etc. They were more versatile and plate killers. Shields were still used, most often in conjuction with picks and maces (for dealing with armor) and on horseback coupled with a lance. But the primary weapons of the time were polearms of various designs.
Other weapons were certainly more numerous on the battlefield but the sword was still a primary weapon of choice for close-combat precisely due to its versatility and effectiveness against a range of different opponents, armored or unarmored, foot or mounted.That's the only problem I have with that snippet. They say they're disproving the "myth" that swords weren't primary weapons on the battlefield, then go on to contradict themselves in the line bolded above, then try to contradict that line again in the same sentence by giving subjective qualifying factors. I'm not a sword hater or anything, but if other weapons were more numerous on the battlefield, then the sword wasn't a primary weapon (regardless of the reason).
I'm not a sword hater or anything, but if other weapons were more numerous on the battlefield, then the sword wasn't a primary weapon (regardless of the reason).
Wow this historical discussion has so much to do with cRPG
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Hmmm, Thomek, are you sure? Of course, you have a lot more experience with the katana than I do, but in the cases I pick one up, I can outspam shielders pretty easily with my 15/24 150WPF build. I don't know which level they are, of course, so maybe I was just lucky till now.You got good chances for another hit, but it is not 100%. Depends a bit on position and attack direction.