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Title: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 06:32:12 pm
Also known as "dolphin fan club" attacking ATS tonight at 6cst.  Sign up to defend the northern empire's alliance
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Rikthor on July 29, 2011, 07:41:15 pm
Also known as "dolphin fan club" attacking ATS tonight at 6cst.  Sign up to defend the northern empire's alliance Northern Nutcupping Coalition of the Not So Honorable Empire™

Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 07:50:29 pm
Says a troll from the troll clan...your opinion of our alliance is highly valued by me.  Doesn't SA have enough to keep you occupied with?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 29, 2011, 07:59:19 pm
Freaky, those mercenaries get around fast (last I checked they were in the desert not up north), wondered who paid them this time?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Slantedfloors on July 29, 2011, 08:47:01 pm
Freaky, those mercenaries get around fast (last I checked they were in the desert not up north), wondered who paid them this time?
They're still in the desert. ATS is the leader of the Northern Nutcupping Coalition of the Not So Honorable Empire. Goretooth's army was sent down to reinforce their pathetic "allies" once it became apparent they would be unable to do it on their own.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 29, 2011, 08:50:58 pm
That is really cool then of ATS to send an army down. Goretooth leading it seems rather appropriate, always liked that name.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Rikthor on July 29, 2011, 09:28:17 pm
Says a troll from the troll clan...your opinion of our alliance is highly valued by me.  Doesn't SA have enough to keep you occupied with?

A member's, of Northern Nutcupping Coalition of the Not So Honorable Empire™, opinion of my opinion on the Northern Nutcupping Coalition of the Not So Honorable Empire™ is highly valued by me. Doesn't Ecko_ATS have enough furry meets to keep you occupied with?

e: "THIS IS OUR LIVES"
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Darkkarma on July 29, 2011, 09:36:23 pm
Where did the furry rumor come from?

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Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: SeQuel on July 29, 2011, 09:38:02 pm
At least our majority of players have some skill as opposed to your goon zerg. It's always funny to go into the official server and see mass goon all piled on 1 team. It's like fighting chickens with there head cut off, free multiplier all day ERRY DAY.   :rolleyes:

How's getting the desert going?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 09:40:02 pm
I've yet to see an even decent LLJK player in all my years of playing MB and Warband.  You guys look for a reaction and you don't even get that, you're completely marginalized.  I have more respect for the people on 4chan.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 29, 2011, 09:41:46 pm
I've yet to see an even decent LLJK player in all my years of playing MB and Warband.  You guys look for a reaction and you don't even get that, you're completely marginalized.  I have more respect for the people on 4chan.

They have a couple. Glen beck for example is a great Long Bowman, he can even reliably jump shot huscarl shielders to death, and he has my respect for that. A few of their other players are also pretty nasty too...
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Damug on July 29, 2011, 09:43:22 pm
Yep. No reaction alright. That's why there isn't a 12 clan coalition trying to take our homeland in the west bank from us. No reaction at all.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 09:47:33 pm
Yep. No reaction alright. That's why there isn't a 12 clan coalition trying to take our homeland in the west bank from us. No reaction at all.

What happens in strategus doesn't have anything (as far as I know) to do with what you guys do in game or on the forums.  It's purely strategic. 

You try so hard for attention and to try and irk people, but for the most part, nobody really gives a fuck.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Damug on July 29, 2011, 09:48:38 pm
Also, are any clans recruiting? Lljk is ripping itself apart at the seams and I need to get out while I still have my honour. Send me a pm if you are interested in a below average player with no real ambition to get any better.

Warm regards,
Damug
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Damug on July 29, 2011, 09:49:51 pm
What happens in strategus doesn't have anything (as far as I know) to do with what you guys do in game or on the forums.  It's purely strategic. 

You try so hard for attention and to try and irk people, but for the most part, nobody really gives a fuck.
  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: ManOfWar on July 29, 2011, 10:01:50 pm
I've yet to see an even decent LLJK player in all my years of playing MB and Warband.  You guys look for a reaction and you don't even get that, you're completely marginalized.  I have more respect for the people on 4chan.

Apparently they turn into baddasses when they enter the strat battle server, we shall see tonight though
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Rikthor on July 29, 2011, 10:02:04 pm
I've yet to see an even decent LLJK player in all my years of playing MB and Warband.  You guys look for a reaction and you don't even get that, you're completely marginalized.  I have more respect for the people on 4chan.


Yet here you are telling us how bad and marginalized we are despite having the Northern Nutcupping Coalition of the Not So Honorable Empire™ trying their hardest to get rid of us, and outside of hacking, failing to do so.

e: he he ho ho
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 10:11:05 pm

Yet here you are telling us how bad and marginalized we are despite having the Northern Nutcupping Coalition of the Not So Honorable Empire™ trying their hardest to get rid of us, and outside of hacking, failing to do so.

e: he he ho ho

Me stating my experiences with LLJK isn't even slightly emotional.  You are a troll clan, this is a known fact, not an emotional opinion.  I'm not really in the inner workings of diplomacy, but I'm assuming "trying their hardest to get rid of you" has nothing to do with you guys being shitty at the game and a troll clan to boot.  I'm assuming it has only to do with strategic reasons.  And I'd further venture to guess that nobodies trying to get rid of LLJK, trying to take their territory and weaken then, I'm sure, but destroy them completely from strategus?  why would anyone care enough to do that?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Snatch on July 29, 2011, 10:14:15 pm
yes good, good. Now those filthy dolphin lovers are done for. Up with Birds and Boars, down with Dolphins.

Everything is falling into place.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: PhantomZero on July 29, 2011, 10:15:55 pm
Me stating my experiences with LLJK isn't even slightly emotional.  You are a troll clan, this is a known fact, not an emotional opinion.  I'm not really in the inner workings of diplomacy, but I'm assuming "trying their hardest to get rid of you" has nothing to do with you guys being shitty at the game and a troll clan to boot.  I'm assuming it has only to do with strategic reasons.  And I'd further venture to guess that nobodies trying to get rid of LLJK, trying to take their territory and weaken then, I'm sure, but destroy them completely from strategus?  why would anyone care enough to do that?

You don't have to be Sun Tzu to know you don't send your army across the world to go fight a war of attrition against LLJK.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Lockt on July 29, 2011, 10:17:34 pm
I've yet to see an even decent LLJK player in all my years of playing MB and Warband.  You guys look for a reaction and you don't even get that, you're completely marginalized.  I have more respect for the people on 4chan.

What is your characters name? I demand satisfaction.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 10:18:44 pm
I'm not a general, just a lowly foot soldier, so I don't know anything about diplomacy or troop movements...just pure speculation on my part.

I know that when you fight the battle on the enemies territory it stops the enemy from doing certain things, like gathering resources and blocks certain movements.  While this is happening your own homeland is prospering and you are able to continue building troops and moving them (and resources) freely. 
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Snatch on July 29, 2011, 10:20:25 pm
I'm not a general, just a lowly foot soldier, so I don't know anything about diplomacy or troop movements...just pure speculation on my part.

Then you probably shut up, so your bosses don't look like idiots. Chain of Command all that crap, you know, shit NE loves. Also furries.

I know that when you fight the battle on the enemies territory it stops the enemy from doing certain things, like gathering resources and blocks certain movements.  While this is happening your own homeland is prospering and you are able to continue building troops and moving them (and resources) freely.

Hahaha, how cute. Babby's first war.

Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Armois on July 29, 2011, 10:20:36 pm
Me stating my experiences with LLJK isn't even slightly emotional.  You are a troll clan, this is a known fact, not an emotional opinion.  I'm not really in the inner workings of diplomacy, but I'm assuming "trying their hardest to get rid of you" has nothing to do with you guys being shitty at the game and a troll clan to boot.  I'm assuming it has only to do with strategic reasons.  And I'd further venture to guess that nobodies trying to get rid of LLJK, trying to take their territory and weaken then, I'm sure, but destroy them completely from strategus?  why would anyone care enough to do that?

Clearly we are trolls for we do not take internet castles serious enough to roleplay as honourable samurai or knights.

CRPG IS OUR LIVES!
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Ecko on July 29, 2011, 10:20:48 pm
Should be fun tonight guys. I hope you brought enough troops. 2v1 doesn't seem large enough for the good zerg.

Oh btw, damug, i hear dfc is recruiting. Good guys too.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 29, 2011, 10:21:52 pm
Then you probably shut up, so your bosses don't look like idiots. Chain of Command all that crap, you know, shit NE loves. Also furries.

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It's an internet forum, I don't really give a shit.   
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: SeQuel on July 29, 2011, 10:29:57 pm
Should be fun tonight guys. I hope you brought enough troops. 2v1 doesn't seem large enough for the good zerg.

Oh btw, damug, i hear dfc is recruiting. Good guys too.

I also expected more from LLJK.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: ABCF on July 29, 2011, 10:34:00 pm
It's an internet forum, I don't really give a shit.

wan2 join goons?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Goretooth on July 29, 2011, 11:02:56 pm
You don't have to be Sun Tzu to know you don't send your army across the world to go fight a war of attrition against LLJK.
1k troops is the NE army? lol someone fell for the trap. i mean bait, oh i mean your villages are under attack :)
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on July 29, 2011, 11:05:02 pm
The blood god must be satiated, Goretooth desires blood!
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Classical on July 29, 2011, 11:05:47 pm
1k troops is the NE army? lol someone fell for the trap. i mean bait, oh i mean your villages are under attack :)
Shit, you tricked us! NOW WE'RE FUCKED!

E M E R G E N C Y
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: robtherad on July 29, 2011, 11:05:53 pm
how could we not foresee this wtf
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Killerz on July 29, 2011, 11:11:23 pm
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Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Goretooth on July 29, 2011, 11:11:30 pm
cause your goons? duh
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: EyeBeat on July 29, 2011, 11:30:48 pm
how could we not foresee this wtf

Dude we are fucked.  It was nice playing Strat with you guys.  GG
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: SPQR on July 30, 2011, 01:09:49 am
Someone post a battle report after its over, I was gonna spectate but they kicked us all out.

Edit: What the heck happened. Why is it over and a new battle started?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 30, 2011, 01:10:02 am
well that was fun.  good game guys
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: SeQuel on July 30, 2011, 01:10:06 am
Get raped, move along.

They are making excuses as always however we moved in with out infantry and steam rolled over all of them and ended it in like 2 minutes and lost maybe 20? troops.

All your gear is ours.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Slantedfloors on July 30, 2011, 01:11:40 am
Someone post a battle report after its over, I was gonna spectate but they kicked us all out.

Edit: What the heck happened. Why is it over and a new battle started?
60 second delay on the attackers. That is all.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Crazywonka on July 30, 2011, 01:11:54 am
Approx. 1 minute battle time. gg dfc
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Goretooth on July 30, 2011, 01:12:20 am
ROFL
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: SPQR on July 30, 2011, 01:12:37 am
60 second delay on the attackers. That is all.

I thought they took that shit out.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Slantedfloors on July 30, 2011, 01:13:58 am
I thought they took that shit out.
That would take some basic understanding of how the game mechanics work. Evidently, the developers do not have that.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: vocab on July 30, 2011, 01:14:30 am
Well, that just proved strat is total garbage.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Ujin on July 30, 2011, 01:20:36 am
Well, that just proved strat is total garbage.
Start quitting.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Earthdforce on July 30, 2011, 01:23:45 am
Definitely an experience.. I hope no one has to go through that again.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Connasse on July 30, 2011, 01:23:50 am
Start quitting.
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Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Duster on July 30, 2011, 01:26:51 am
<Xol> ATS always wins by abusing glitches, it's okay
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on July 30, 2011, 01:34:24 am
Good game slaughter I guess.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: ABCF on July 30, 2011, 01:47:02 am
cross continent lag or just some crazy dumb fuckery?

also, goretooth
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 30, 2011, 01:48:44 am
cross continent lag or just some crazy dumb fuckery?

also, goretooth

NA VS NA, it should have been on an NA server.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: ABCF on July 30, 2011, 01:49:39 am
NA VS NA, it should have been on an NA server.
wtf

who let sperg play
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: vocab on July 30, 2011, 01:52:23 am
wtf

who let sperg play

Most deaths was either 2-3. I scraped 4 people in a row, and the battle was over. ATS wouldn't of lasted on legit terms.



Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 30, 2011, 01:56:47 am
wtf

who let sperg play

Sperg?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: PhantomZero on July 30, 2011, 02:17:28 am
How can you call it a slaughter if nobody died?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Goretooth on July 30, 2011, 02:21:32 am
How can you call it a slaughter if nobody died?
Why does the video show me killing 8 people?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Duster on July 30, 2011, 02:27:16 am
Why does the video show me killing 8 people?

What? um....uhh....black plate! no skill! yeah, you crutcher

owait, there was no black plate.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: a_bear_irl on July 30, 2011, 03:26:15 am
Why does the video show me killing 8 people?

probably had something to do with half of DFC not having gear and you guys exploiting the spawn delay to rush our flag, meanwhile we're still trying to figure out what's going on with the gear
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: PhantomZero on July 30, 2011, 03:36:21 am
Why does the video show me killing 8 people?

Oh no 8 people, what a slaughter. This is a slaughter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTB3eoOYE24
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Thokan on July 30, 2011, 01:15:58 pm
probably had something to do with half of DFC not having gear and you guys exploiting the spawn delay to rush our flag, meanwhile we're still trying to figure out what's going on with the gear

Not really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgGrZYu0TII

Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Darkkarma on July 30, 2011, 04:32:12 pm
Not really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgGrZYu0TII

Were those heavy lances?  :lol:
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Gumdrawp on July 30, 2011, 04:40:36 pm
Were those heavy lances?  :lol:

yes, almost all of our cav bugged and didnt spawn with horses. but its ok, apparently its not a bug and everyone that plays this mod that isnt chadz has the intelligence of a child with downs syndrome.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 30, 2011, 08:10:18 pm
Why does the video show me killing 8 people?

4 was the most kills, I was 4-0 along with at least a half dozen others :P

mr boon you had 5 war horses and 2 saddle horses on your side circling your infantry (well the saddle horses were on your left flank).  i understand that it must be aggravating, but I can personally refute all the complaints your side is making.  I scouted (and was first to attack on cav) your right flank. 

if someone took an end game screenshot can you post it?
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Gumdrawp on July 30, 2011, 08:18:25 pm
4 was the most kills, I was 4-0 along with at least a half dozen others :P

mr boon you had 5 war horses and 2 saddle horses on your side circling your infantry (well the saddle horses were on your left flank).  i understand that it must be aggravating, but I can personally refute all the complaints your side is making.  I scouted (and was first to attack on cav) your right flank. 

if someone took an end game screenshot can you post it?

i had 5 kills. and we definately had no more than 3-4 horses of our 14 cav players. We also didnt even buy war horses or saddle horses, so i can refute your claim.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: SPQR on July 30, 2011, 08:20:18 pm
He's just trolling y'all.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 30, 2011, 08:45:08 pm
i had 5 kills. and we definately had no more than 3-4 horses of our 14 cav players. We also didnt even buy war horses or saddle horses, so i can refute your claim.

I only saw the scoreboard for our side at the end (had about a 1 second look before it ended the battle).  I personally saw 5 of you guys on armored horses circling around your infantry blob, I assumed they were war horses but I was too far to correctly identify them apparently.  You also had 2 black saddle horses on your left flank. 

If you watch the video you can also see your armored horses circling your infantry blob.  Video backs me up.  I don't know what battle you or your comrades were in, but apparently it wasn't the same one I was scouting in (I was also the very first person to attack and engage your lines).
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Rikthor on July 30, 2011, 08:54:50 pm
He's just trolling y'all.

Yup
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 01, 2011, 08:31:40 pm
Yup

i actually wasn't.  i still defend my statements.  the spawn system should be fixed, but it's not like it was impossible for the attackers of DFC to defend their spawn.  And it was certainly not impossible for the attackers of Pecores vs LLJK to defend their spawn vs LLJK.  The defenders clearly have an advantage, but it's in no way a guaranteed outcome if they choose to rush the attackers spawn. 

Ever heard of pikemen?  Ever heard of siege shields?  Ever heard of organizing a defense?

The people bitching about the spawn system and how it's impossible for the attackers to defend against a spawn rush are being overly-dramatic, and in most cases being facetious or outright lying.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Beans on August 01, 2011, 08:48:46 pm
Yea it's not impossible it is just heavy weighted against the attackers because well equipped attacking armies have gotten stomped repeatedly over the last 2 weeks to the tune of like 25 times. Yet you just ignore this huge volume of evidence and keep posting away.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Xol! on August 01, 2011, 08:57:06 pm
i actually wasn't.  i still defend my statements.  the spawn system should be fixed, but it's not like it was impossible for the attackers of DFC to defend their spawn.  And it was certainly not impossible for the attackers of Pecores vs LLJK to defend their spawn vs LLJK.  The defenders clearly have an advantage, but it's in no way a guaranteed outcome if they choose to rush the attackers spawn. 

Ever heard of pikemen?  Ever heard of siege shields?  Ever heard of organizing a defense?

The people bitching about the spawn system and how it's impossible for the attackers to defend against a spawn rush are being overly-dramatic, and in most cases being facetious or outright lying.

Shogunate used all three of those to the best of their ability, and Shogunate is not some joke clan.  They win clan tournaments all the time.  They're good.  And a somewhat disorganized mob of LLJK players and mercs rolled them less than five minutes from the map change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kleiZVHrZmI

There's a reason you're the only one in the entirety of the cRPG community who's arguing that attackers have a fair chance to defend their spawn.  It's because you're wrong.  There's no room for discussion here.  In another topic you flat out admitted that you've only fought in one strat battle (one of the ones with the new spawn system), and basically have no idea what you're talking about.  Just give it a rest.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 01, 2011, 08:57:55 pm
Either way, we get it Cracka. Your e-penis is HUUUUUUUUUUEG. You don't need to keep slapping it in the faces of innocent forum readers to prove it. Honestly, I'd be more concerned about the video evidence of failures involved in the current system than one dude's e-penis... But hey, some people really enjoy e-masturbating in forum threads so I suppose I shouldn't butt my head in.

I had expected conversations like this thread to end once this was posted.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: _JoG_ on August 01, 2011, 08:59:23 pm
Just for clarification...
Shogunate used all three of those to the best of their ability, and Shogunate is not some joke clan.  They win EU clan tournaments all the time.  They're good.  And a somewhat disorganized mob of LLJK players and mercs rolled them less than five minutes on NA server.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 01, 2011, 09:02:47 pm
I had expected conversations like this thread to end once this was posted.

Not me, I'm not here trying to brag about taking over an enemy spawn in under 3 minutes.  Yes, it felt great and was completely unexpected.  But I'm making valid points from the position of experience (and witnessing) for 2 seperate open field battles.  In both cases the attackers could have defended their spawn points, but they failed to do so. 

Givi, I hear you.  I didn't witness the shogunate battle.  DFC could have defended vs ATS, and Pecores could have defended vs LLJK.  Just because they didn't, and just because they had a disadvantage going into it, doesn't mean they couldn't have defended their spawn point.  Anyone who claims otherwise is bullshitting you or disillusioned.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 01, 2011, 09:06:50 pm
Shogunate used all three of those to the best of their ability, and Shogunate is not some joke clan.  They win clan tournaments all the time.  They're good.  And a somewhat disorganized mob of LLJK players and mercs rolled them less than five minutes from the map change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kleiZVHrZmI

There's a reason you're the only one in the entirety of the cRPG community who's arguing that attackers have a fair chance to defend their spawn.  It's because you're wrong.  There's no room for discussion here.  In another topic you flat out admitted that you've only fought in one strat battle (one of the ones with the new spawn system), and basically have no idea what you're talking about.  Just give it a rest.

I'm not the only one arguing my position.  People are just talking about the spawn system being broken.  I agree it should be fixed, but to say that the attackers have a nearly impossible position to defend their spawn point, is bullshit.  You were in the dfc vs ats battle I presume?  Did you not have all your troops spawned in (at least 95% of them, keep in mind video evidence backs me up)?  Did you not have cav circling your infantry?  I didn't see you guys putting down any siege shields.  I didn't see an organized infantry lining up with shields or pikes.  I saw a circling ball of baitfish waiting to get slaughtered by the predators, which is exactly what happened. 

Sorry for the double post btw...

Also, by the way...just because you claim I'm the only one taking the position that I am, doesn't mean my argument is wrong or flawed.  If you can't argue the positions on their own merit, than you shouldn't be in this debate.

Yea it's not impossible it is just heavy weighted against the attackers because well equipped attacking armies have gotten stomped repeatedly over the last 2 weeks to the tune of like 25 times. Yet you just ignore this huge volume of evidence and keep posting away.

I witnessed two battles personally.  In both cases the attackers had to defend, but they had all their troops spawned in and just failed to defend their spawn point.  The advantage initially certainly is with the defenders.  But the attackers are able to defend their spawn points.  Just because they don't do so, doesn't make it impossible (or even close to impossible).  DFC and Pecores both had the numbers to defend their spawn points.  What they lacked was the proper equipment and organization.  No tweak to the spawn system will address those two issues.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Xol! on August 01, 2011, 09:16:12 pm
I've played one strat battle and watched one, both of which had the new spawn system.  Even though I have never watched a regular strat battle, this clearly makes me an expert in strategus battle mechanics.  This has nothing to do with the fact that I've been rigorously defending my position in spite of overwhelming opposition, nor does it matter that I am too bullheaded to admit when I'm wrong.  My plan is to continue stating that I am correct and everyone else, from developers to my own alliance leaders, is wrong.

Oh, I understand completely now.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 01, 2011, 09:29:47 pm
Oh, I understand completely now.  Carry on.

I'm not saying that the spawn system is perfect.  I'm not stating that my alliance leaders are wrong.

I'm saying that you, nor anyone else, has been able to refute what I've said in Pecores vs LLJK and ATS vs DFC.  In both cases the attackers had enough people spawned (90%+) to defend their spawn.  The fact that they didn't defend it, doesn't make me wrong.  It means that they were fighting an uphill battle, they didn't have the equipment and they didn't have the organization to defend it.

Instead of putting words in my mouth, come back with a sound argument.  DFC could have defended vs ATS.  Pecores could have defended vs LLJK.  In both cases they had enough people to defend, they just were unorganized and didn't have the proper equipment. 

I don't think you'll find anyone who fought in the DFC vs ATS battle, who fought for ATS who is going to disagree with me that DFC could have defended their spawn if they were more organized. Yes, the advantage was with ATS, but all of DFC was spawned in by the time ATS' infantry came into view.

I've consistently been making the same arguments and have not yet had someone reply to what I was saying and try to claim otherwise (and be truthful).  Anyone who has tried to argue my points has lied or just attacked me personally, or changed my words around.

Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 01, 2011, 09:47:46 pm
This thread is just silly and should be locked.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 01, 2011, 10:03:49 pm
I don't think it's silly. There's two seperate issues being addressed here that I'm making.  One is that in the current system the attackers still have the ability to defend their spawn point. 

The second issue (which is the more important of the two) is that the current spawn system is imperfect for numerous reasons, and could be greatly improved.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Ming on August 01, 2011, 10:26:09 pm
It just makes me laugh reading those LLJKs spamming trolling posts... keep doing it, make more drama.
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Violent on August 01, 2011, 10:44:52 pm
Lol
Title: Re: Defiance (DFC) attacks Among the Shadows (ATS)
Post by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 07:19:54 am
Strategus:  Increasing forum bundle of sticksry 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 fold since 2010.