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Title: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 07:36:00 am
1. Name of your character involved: AMERICUNT
2. Name of offending character(s): Nae_, Tiny_Glancer, KhyMe, Mae_, Perdition
3. Time and server, as accurately as possible: Friday, September 4th, 2015 12-12:45 AM Central
4. Written description of what happened, the whole story. Also what happened before and after: They just keep being dagger duelists / punching duelists at the end of each round with brocoding and shit. Then they just keep brocoding and shit and brocoding and brocoding and delaying etc etc.
5. Why you think the offender did what he did: Trolling
6. Multiple Screenshots: http://i.imgur.com/W52zmtU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NsV6rPS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ut9NfDb.jpg
7. Names of players that can witness what happened: ImSofaKingLovable, BossGang, YoungBinLaden
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 08:09:33 am
First of all... WTF kind of header is that to this ban thread?. Second... We werent bro coding nor delaying. We were doing the best on both sides of the teams and we happened to be last in those occasions. Because of that we decided to fight it out with daggers. So what? There isnt a rule saying we have to fight with weapons that block. Only to have a weapon in hand and actually fight with the team which we were all doing. The shitty admin Jeade has no place in the administrative team. He should be removed. PERIOD. If any of you other admins would happily like to take care of this stupid "issue" I would gladly respond to them and show proof of what was really happening. Not some player who gets butt hurt for dying to specific people in crpg.
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 08:20:26 am
First of all... WTF kind of header is that to this ban thread?. Second... We werent bro coding nor delaying. We were doing the best on both sides of the teams and we happened to be last in those occasions. Because of that we decided to fight it out with daggers. So what? There isnt a rule saying we have to fight with weapons that block. Only to have a weapon in hand and actually fight with the team which we were all doing. The shitty admin Jeade has no place in the administrative team. He should be removed. PERIOD. If any of you other admins would happily like to take care of this stupid "issue" I would gladly respond to them and show proof of what was really happening. Not some player who gets butt hurt for dying to specific people in crpg.

I guess waiting for your team mates that aren't part of the brocoding to die while you wait on the sides to observe the enemy players that are in your brocoding group kill them so you can have punching and dagger duels near the flags, isn't bro coding or delaying. Then your counter argument is good, however I wouldn't make the thread if you were helping your team mates consistently and not delaying or brocoding with those individuals.
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 08:22:35 am
How in the fuck would I would be "waiting" on the sidelines for "bro code" when im on top of the fucking score board? You really are ignorant. Do you not see my score K/D in those screen shots?
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Voso on September 04, 2015, 08:22:58 am
I'm not sure but it seems like this Schoi guy might have some anger issues.

What happened to having fun in this game? Fucking around and fighting enemy players with daggers shouldn't be bannable.
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 08:26:25 am
I'm not sure but it seems like this Schoi guy might have some anger issues.

What happened to having fun in this game? Fucking around and fighting enemy players with daggers shouldn't be bannable.

You're right, it shouldn't be bannable. But that combined with delaying and brocoding should be.

How in the fuck would I would be "waiting" on the sidelines for "bro code" when im on top of the fucking score board? You really are ignorant. Do you not see my score K/D in those screen shots?

I mean if you look at the scene behind each scoreboard in the photos you can see several players knife fighting while they watch each other on the sides.
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 08:30:57 am
Change the title Skoi be decent about this, currently working on several screenshots I've collected.
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 08:35:45 am
Just get rid of daggers already
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Jeade on September 04, 2015, 08:47:19 am
I was there for it. There were a few things to take into consideration on both accounts.

There were more than a few people complaining saying that those listed by Schoi had been doing this every round.
Basically, they'd hang back and wait until everyone was dead to run out at each other with knives or gloves and beat/stab each other to death.
This would drag on rounds for minutes.

They weren't always holding back, though.
There were times I saw them defending a position, and that's all fair and good if they want to do that.
There were also times where it'd be a 3v1 and two would stand on flag while the other goes to fend off the last guy.
In that case, it's passable. Knowing the immediate history, I'd be suspect, but I can't know for sure.
Technically, however, they're fine to do that.

It's the dagger fights at the end of the round that's the kicker.
Daggers are fine. Fun is in fact allowed, however much it's joked that it isn't.
Holding up 15 other people because you'd rather punch your plate wearing friends for two minutes is not OK.
It's delaying. You don't have the right to waste everyone else's time.

There was an annoying amount of brocoding to the point that I'd be banning half the server if I were being fair.
Banning a bunch of people isn't ideal on a low pop server, and I was hoping they'd straighten out given a little time.
I gave out warnings and a kick or two. Most of it stopped.
The only two that continued on were Whiskey and KhyMe.
I gave it a few rounds to see if they'd get it out of their system, and they didn't, so 24 hour bans were placed on them.

Since I've already made a call, I'll step back and let someone else take a look at it, unless whichever admin wants my opinion on what ought to be done.
Everything I've typed up there ought to be enough background to figure it out.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Voso on September 04, 2015, 08:50:29 am
Punching is one thing, daggers are different.


Daggers at the end of the round are still just as legal and not delaying.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 08:51:31 am
Jeade I already sent cmp a msg with screen shots and information on your extreme bias attitude towards myself and my clan, you saw none of that, no one ever held back, if I want to hunt archers I'm allowed to. I'm gonna go ahead and add this to what I sent him, hopefully the server logs can help show some truth instead of you desperately trying to back your own actions up tonight.
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 08:58:39 am
I was there for it. There were a few things to take into consideration on both accounts.

There were more than a few people complaining saying that those listed by Schoi had been doing this every round.
Basically, they'd hang back and wait until everyone was dead to run out at each other with knives or gloves and beat/stab each other to death.
This would drag on rounds for minutes.

They weren't always holding back, though.
There were times I saw them defending a position, and that's all fair and good if they want to do that.
There were also times where it'd be a 3v1 and two would stand on flag while the other goes to fend off the last guy.
In that case, it's passable. Knowing the immediate history, I'd be suspect, but I can't know for sure.
Technically, however, they're fine to do that.

It's the dagger fights at the end of the round that's the kicker.
Daggers are fine. Fun is in fact allowed, however much it's joked that it isn't.
Holding up 15 other people because you'd rather punch your plate wearing friends for two minutes is not OK.
It's delaying. You don't have the right to waste everyone else's time.


There was an annoying amount of brocoding to the point that I'd be banning half the server if I were being fair.
Banning a bunch of people isn't ideal on a low pop server, and I was hoping they'd straighten out given a little time.
I gave out warnings and a kick or two. Most of it stopped.
The only two that continued on were Whiskey and KhyMe.
I gave it a few rounds to see if they'd get it out of their system, and they didn't, so 24 hour bans were placed on them.

Since I've already made a call, I'll step back and let someone else take a look at it, unless whichever admin wants my opinion on what ought to be done.
Everything I've typed up there ought to be enough background to figure it out.

Yes I understand what you are trying to say Jeade... BUT.... It's not mine nor anyone elses; not even your fault that everyone else died to quickly. Every round Myself and other players were top of score board which means "CARRYING" We were all carrying the damn team for each side. Also the dagger "issue" Where in the rules say we HAVE to fight with "regular" weapons or however you want to call them at the end. You don't have the right to just ban or kick us when we are playing the game. Oh and GAME. A game is where we people/ players come or go to have fun. The 24 hour ban on Whiskey was way out of proportion. I know you are ban hammer hungry but seriously. If I were a higher admin than you. I would of banned you after reading/ seeing all of this. You don't have the right to do any of this either and call out saying "I don't have the right to waste other peoples time" What in gods mind thinks you have the idea of saying that? Seriously. We were all playing the damn game and having fun. Those who died and complained were the ones who made the mistake and didn't team fight to survive. they died first or early because of being thirsty. That being said, I still believe you do not deserve the right as an admin this this mod. I hope the head admintot devs look into this and discuss everything.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 04, 2015, 09:02:31 am
Silly Jeade, dont you know that the Remnant players are all part of the elite meme force of cutesy players that can break minor rules at will and not get in trouble? Other notable members would be Bicep, Tornkik, and Not_So_Innocent_Virgin.




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Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Jeade on September 04, 2015, 09:03:19 am
Mae, I'll send you a message, but first, let me make something clear to you.

This is a video game.
This video game has no consequence on my life.
It's fun and I like to help people if I can.

I don't give a flying fuck about drama.
I don't give a flying fuck about Strat or Strat alliances.
I don't give a flying fuck about which cRPG clan said what about another cRPG clan.
This is a video game.

I'm an admin because I am unbiased.
I'm happy to acknowledge and consider both sides.
I pride myself on that.
However, if a bunch of people are complaining about something, I'm obligated to respond to that.
You can say it's not delaying, they can say it is delaying.
It's literally my place to make that decision, so, naturally, some people are going to be unhappy, and others, happy.
You just have a very difficult time accepting the fact that my Internet authority is not yours.

For Christ's sake, it's a video game.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 09:05:19 am
Mae, I'll send you a message, but first, let me make something clear to you.

This is a video game.
This video game has no consequence on my life.
It's fun and I like to help people if I can.

I don't give a flying fuck about drama.
I don't give a flying fuck about Strat or Strat alliances.
I don't give a flying fuck about which cRPG clan said what about another cRPG clan.
This is a video game.

I'm an admin because I am unbiased.
I'm happy to acknowledge and consider both sides.
I pride myself on that.
However, if a bunch of people are complaining about something, I'm obligated to respond to that.
You can say it's not delaying, they can say it is delaying.
It's literally my place to make that decision, so, naturally, some people are going to be unhappy, and others, happy.
You just have a very difficult time accepting the fact that my Internet authority is not yours.

For Christ's sake, it's a video game.

If this is a so called video game.. then why the fuck was whiskey and I banned for playing the FUCKING VIDEO GAME?
I swear to crpg god chadz. If you arent removed from admin, I've lost all hope.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 09:05:53 am
Jeade I already sent cmp a msg with screen shots and information on your extreme bias attitude towards myself and my clan, you saw none of that, no one ever held back, if I want to hunt archers I'm allowed to. I'm gonna go ahead and add this to what I sent him, hopefully the server logs can help show some truth instead of you desperately trying to back your own actions up tonight.

Well don't get excited, your clique is about to take a tremendous blow. Allow me to finish editing, organizing, and posting 7 instances.

Also a few unrelated instances proving the unsportmanlike conduct you pitiful players commit.

Jeade is in the right, you players are in the wrong. It's your clique defense mentality that lets you players hang tight and get away with this nonsense for so damn long now.

I use to be in Remnant, and I was banned for TK'ing mae, smithy, and khyme, several times for delaying.

Now, I don't know if I can convince a friend you have "up above" but this BS is here and now. Whether you "win" or not, your antics are for the public to observe.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Voso on September 04, 2015, 09:06:31 am
Mae, I'll send you a message, but first, let me make something clear to you.

This is a video game.
This video game has no consequence on my life.
It's fun and I like to help people if I can.

I don't give a flying fuck about drama.
I don't give a flying fuck about Strat or Strat alliances.
I don't give a flying fuck about which cRPG clan said what about another cRPG clan.
This is a video game.

I'm an admin because I am unbiased.
I'm happy to acknowledge and consider both sides.
I pride myself on that.
However, if a bunch of people are complaining about something, I'm obligated to respond to that.
You can say it's not delaying, they can say it is delaying.
It's literally my place to make that decision, so, naturally, some people are going to be unhappy, and others, happy.
You just have a very difficult time accepting the fact that my Internet authority is not yours.

For Christ's sake, it's a video game.

You seem pretty biased. I'd tone that pride down a few notches.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: xxkaliboyx on September 04, 2015, 09:07:53 am
I approve this ban. Don't let delayers get away with this.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 09:08:14 am
I'm so confused, why would this game have a consequence on your life? You're bias because I mention some kid being a brown noser to you forever ago, you muted me and we all laughed at how butt hurt you were about it, you've always had issues with me and Remnerds, keep acting so affected, its really not helping your case.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 09:08:41 am
Well don't get excited, your clique is about to take a tremendous blow. Allow me to finish editing, organizing, and posting 7 instances.

Also a few unrelated instances proving the unsportmanlike conduct you pitiful players commit.

Jeade is in the right, you players are in the wrong. It's your clique defense mentality that lets you players hang tight and get away with this nonsense for so damn long now.

I use to be in Remnant, and I was banned for TK'ing you, smithy, and khyme, several times for delaying.

Now, I don't know if I can convince a friend you have "up above" but this BS is here and now. Whether you "win" or not, your antics are for the public to observe.
Sofa I have nothing to do with this shit. but you were removed from Remnants because you kept TKing Smithy. Which ended up making him very very angry at you. now I know were butt hurt about it. and went on a anger spree to all of us and as in anger spree, I mean you kept trying to TK all of Remnant... but there is no need to trying to make up stories.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 09:10:37 am
Sofa I have nothing to do with this shit. but you were removed from Remnants because you kept TKing Smithy. now I know were butt hurt about it. and went on a anger spree to all of us but there is no need to trying to make up stories.

No, I never had a problem with Smithy and me and him we're cool. In game atleast, TS or anything else I do not know. I was banned specifically for TK'ing Mae and calling her out on her bullshit one day while she was playing an Archer on that Snow Map with the bridge. (You and Smithy were just additionals)
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 09:13:25 am
No, I never had a problem with Smithy and me and him we're cool. In game atleast, TS or anything else I do not know. I was banned specifically for TK'ing Mae and calling her out on her bullshit one day while she was playing an Archer on that Snow Map with the bridge. (You and Smithy were just additionals)

Like I said.. Anger spree and making up stories
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 09:15:52 am
hahaha wait what was my bullshit?? this is great! Oh and I remember Smithy kicked him and bicep out, bicep then proceeded to make the Remnant Hunters clan, I mean that was like a cutesy thing he did in response to it, I'm sorry you didnt take it as well.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 09:17:03 am
hahaha wait what was my bullshit?? this is great! Oh and I remember Smithy kicked him and bicep out, bicep then proceeded to make the Remnant Hunters clan, I mean that was like a cutesy thing he did in response to it, I'm sorry you didnt take it as well.
Like I said.. Anger spree and making up stories

That is irrelevant, "No drawing/delaying the round on purpose (i.e. running away or camping unreachable places when you're one of the last people alive)" - CMP.

In my opinion the dagger dueling and brocoding shouldn't have been allowed because of this rule, I don't mind a few rounds like this but 3 maps in a row is annoying so I made a thread.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Voso on September 04, 2015, 09:18:17 am
In my opinion the dagger dueling and brocoding shouldn't have been allowed because of this rule, I don't mind a few rounds like this but 3 maps in a row is annoying so I made a thread.

No one cares about your angry, biased opinion.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 09:19:24 am
That is irrelevant, "No drawing/delaying the round on purpose (i.e. running away or camping unreachable places when you're one of the last people alive)" - CMP.

In my opinion the dagger dueling and brocoding shouldn't have been allowed because of this rule, I don't mind a few rounds like this but 3 maps in a row is annoying so I made a thread.

So no rule is being broken. You made this thread because you were MAD. That ends this thread. Lock it and mute Schoi. This community doesn't need these childish people to cause commotions.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 09:20:59 am
So no rule is being broken. You made this thread because you were MAD. That ends this thread. Lock it and mute Schoi. This community doesn't need these childish people to cause commotions.

If you know how to read you can see the connection between the written rule and how it applies to the situation.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Pooper on September 04, 2015, 09:22:50 am
If you know how to read you can see the connection between the written rule and how it applies to the situation.

Please enlighten me on how the written rule and situation applies together. ENLIGHTEN ME.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 04, 2015, 09:24:26 am
Here's the best way to settle it imo. Schoi vs the best Remnerd ft7 NA1 tomorrow at 7:30pm PST. Schoi wins you guys get banned and ripperoni'd in cheese if you win Schoi cries and no ban.








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Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Voso on September 04, 2015, 09:25:57 am
Here's the best way to settle it imo. Schoi vs the best Remnerd ft7 NA1 tomorrow at 7:30pm PST. Schoi wins you guys get banned and ripperoni'd in cheese if you win Schoi cries and no ban.



And it needs to be a dagger duel.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 09:29:36 am
Jeade you claim you don't care at all, but here it is in a msg (yea Jeade sent me a msg asking me to drop the stuff I've sent to cmp), vaguely, but its there. The reason you've been bias is because I mentioned someone brown nosing you over the idea of 'no siege equipment in siege' a long time ago, your response was muting me which already was a bias action on its own, when asked why you did it you said you were allowed to mute for any reason at all. Funny when a player mentions raping someone thats ok in your book, but calling someone a brown noser is really crossing the line. You're just piling on the evidence of how bias you've always been towards all of us, and the msg you sent really ices the cake, so thanks man.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 09:29:57 am
Here's the best way to settle it imo. Schoi vs the best Remnerd ft7 NA1 tomorrow at 7:30pm PST. Schoi wins you guys get banned and ripperoni'd in cheese if you win Schoi cries and no ban.


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No, best way to settle it is have a different admin look at the thread, look at the comments, look at the photos, and make a decision. Just like Jeade mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Jeade on September 04, 2015, 09:33:18 am
No one cares about your angry, biased opinion.

Unfortunately, opinions are sometimes right.

I was in the position where I needed to make a call on whether or not the dagger fights at the end of the round were delaying.
Due to the number of people complaining about how long it'd been going on, I had to formulate an opinion.
That is literally my position--to judge the impact of the behavior in question and make a decision based on server rules.
It appeared to be delaying.

After calling it out as delaying, KhyMe and one other person on opposing teams decided to stand on the flag for over a minute left and right swinging at each other, making sure their blocks were up before swinging.
It's blatant delaying, and the only people who got a kick out of it were those in that dagger/punching circle.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 09:35:22 am
weird, so why'd you send me a msg saying shit like I'm not bias I dont care about strat and shit like that, who said anything about strat??? Funny, I figured it had something to do with that sorta thing.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 09:37:30 am
weird, so why'd you send me a msg saying shit like I'm not bias I dont care about strat and shit like that, who said anything about strat??? Funny, I figured it had something to do with that sorta thing.

wat
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Skrubb on September 04, 2015, 09:52:54 am
I was there for it. There were a few things to take into consideration on both accounts.

There were more than a few people complaining saying that those listed by Schoi had been doing this every round.
Basically, they'd hang back and wait until everyone was dead to run out at each other with knives or gloves and beat/stab each other to death.
This would drag on rounds for minutes.

They weren't always holding back, though.
There were times I saw them defending a position, and that's all fair and good if they want to do that.
There were also times where it'd be a 3v1 and two would stand on flag while the other goes to fend off the last guy.
In that case, it's passable. Knowing the immediate history, I'd be suspect, but I can't know for sure.
Technically, however, they're fine to do that.

It's the dagger fights at the end of the round that's the kicker.
Daggers are fine. Fun is in fact allowed, however much it's joked that it isn't.
Holding up 15 other people because you'd rather punch your plate wearing friends for two minutes is not OK.
It's delaying. You don't have the right to waste everyone else's time.

There was an annoying amount of brocoding to the point that I'd be banning half the server if I were being fair.
Banning a bunch of people isn't ideal on a low pop server, and I was hoping they'd straighten out given a little time.
I gave out warnings and a kick or two. Most of it stopped.
The only two that continued on were Whiskey and KhyMe.
I gave it a few rounds to see if they'd get it out of their system, and they didn't, so 24 hour bans were placed on them.

Since I've already made a call, I'll step back and let someone else take a look at it, unless whichever admin wants my opinion on what ought to be done.
Everything I've typed up there ought to be enough background to figure it out.

Wait a sec boys. You are saying that the brocoders were "hanging back" and letting their team die so that hey could dagger fight at the end.

Taking a look at a couple of the screen shots in the op, the "brocoders" are topping the boards. Their contribution to the team is high. There is no way that they could be truly trolling every single round if their scores are high.

For example you kicked me one round where our team was 4 v 1 on some guy and I thought it would be okay to watch. Didn't know that was against the rules

 What I think is going on here is that unskilled players are running out to die early on and are just angry that they can't stay alive long enough to compete with the big boys.

AKA Jeade is mad cause he bad. So.. "let's ban everybody on the server who performs at a high skill level so I can feel better about myself and have more play time"

You can cry yourself to sleep instead of in our laps brah. Easy solution. Thread locked
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 09:56:08 am
Taking a look at a couple of the screen shots in the op, the "brocoders" are topping the boards. Their contribution to the team is high. There is no way that they could be truly trolling every single round if their scores are high. To attain that high score you gotta be out killing members of the other team. What I think is going on here is that unskilled players are running out to die early on and are just angry that they can't stay alive long enough to compete with the big boys.

You make a great point, how did we hang back if NO ONE on the team has kills (only deaths) EXCEPT US, how did they die? WE KILLED THEM. How did we hang back again???
Title: Re: fgkin nikgur fkn delay fkgni brocod fgts na1 i swer on mi mum fkn cancur sheit
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 10:01:53 am

You make a great point, how did we hang back if NO ONE on the team has kills (only deaths) EXCEPT US, how did they die? WE KILLED THEM. How did we hang back again???

You killed the non brocoders. Then you brocoded with the brocoders. And then the non brocoders have to wait for you to finish your dagger duels and delaying.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 10:06:42 am
we're dead in the screen shot smarty, AND fighting lol
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 10:12:41 am
Poorly drawn representation of the event.

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You might say, there's nothing wrong with that.

True, but usually there's more people alive and more brocoders. They duel, the brocoders sit like the guy on the right side and let them duel instead of help.
Title: 7 Instances, 2 Random Instances.
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 10:33:25 am
Highlighted MOST important data. Most is consistent, things got a bit rugged 40 pictures in after new ideas popped in my head.

What to note for evidence: Time & Players involved. Score & Map, to note different rounds.

Problem Players: Mae_, Nae_, TinyGlancer, and KhyMe.

Instance #1 Time Delayed: 1m5s.
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Instance #2 Time Delayed: 0m49s.
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Instance #3 Time Delayed: 0m44s.
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Instance #4 Time Delayed: Can't confirm, I didn't get pictures because I was alive near the end. Note: Time 2:37, drastically low for 10v10.
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Instance #5 Time Delayed: 1m6s.
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Instance #6 Time Delayed: 0m24s+X.
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Instance #7 Time Delayed: 2m3s.
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Not relevant for today, but still proof of KhyMe's unsportsmanlike conduct.

KhyMe Instance #1: TK because of duel.
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KhyMe Instance #2: Delaying.
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Title: Mae and Nae playing poorly just recently.
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 10:45:01 am
Zlotz posted this thread, I was on that day: http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-nae_-for-hardcore-brocoding/msg1162306/#msg1162306

Mae and Nae were consistently working together and preventing proper and fair gameplay. Warcs, and a few others who were on. (AKA Remnant, proof is in the screenshots)

Menas posted this thread just recently, it's still near the top of the list: http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-nae_/

Seriously, deal out your punishment appropriately this time around. Problem players are toxic to the community: Mae and Nae.

Also Jeade, I believe Whiskey's ban was unjustified. He wasn't doing this continually for nearly two hours.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Skrubb on September 04, 2015, 10:53:31 am
Ok all those pictures you posted provide nothing for concrete punishment. All it is are pictures of me and KhyMe top fragging every map and dueling it out sometimes. I'm sorry That trying your hardest and wrecking everybody on the server every round is mandatory. If you really want to end supposed long fair fights after rounds you should get in the duel server and learn to take on highly skilled players.

Your current argument aims to punish players for doing well. If a knight wants to fight another with a dagger or fists to make it a fair fight. That is their damn decision. That's an alpha's way of ending the round.

As for the previous ban threads. I have already taken my day ban and have never laid hands on teammates after that. I honestly don't see your point. Those threads are irrelevant

And toxic players like you who sit there getting an erection from taking pointless screenshots are what killed the community. If you hate your life take it out on a punching bag instead of exploding on randoms on the Internet
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 10:57:06 am
hahaha wait what was my bullshit?? this is great! Oh and I remember Smithy kicked him and bicep out, bicep then proceeded to make the Remnant Hunters clan, I mean that was like a cutesy thing he did in response to it, I'm sorry you didnt take it as well.

You have me mistaken for Deploy_Shields, AKA: PoopHammer. I've never played with Bicep and I don't consider him a friend.

Really, how long do you suspect your ditzy attitude to last without consequence?

Is this you by chance? How cutesy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLA7dQ-uxR0
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 10:57:34 am
Ok all those pictures you posted provide nothing for concrete punishment. All it is are pictures of me and KhyMe top fragging every map and dueling it out sometimes. I'm sorry That trying your hardest and wrecking everybody on the server every round is mandatory. If you really want to end supposed long fair fights after rounds you should get in the duel server and learn to take on highly skilled players.

Your current argument aims to punish players for doing well. If a knight wants to fight another with a dagger or fists to make it a fair fight. That is their damn decision. That's an alpha's way of ending the round.

As for the previous ban threads. I have already taken my day ban and have never laid hands on teammates after that. I honestly don't see your point.

Again, evading the point. THE FUCKING SITTING IN THE BACK BROCODING AND NOT HELPING YOUR TEAM MATES IS WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT LIKE FUCKING DAMN STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. THA FUQ YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE ON A SKILLED PLAYER DUEL ME FT7 FOR 3 LPS.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Skrubb on September 04, 2015, 11:01:08 am
Again, evading the point. THE FUCKING SITTING IN THE BACK BROCODING AND NOT HELPING YOUR TEAM MATES IS WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT LIKE FUCKING DAMN STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. THA FUQ YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE ON A SKILLED PLAYER DUEL ME FT7 FOR 3 LPS.

If I am sitting back and not helping the team, then why am I at the top of the leaderboard in a majority of the pictures. I'm obviously doing something other than punching people to death. Or is that not how the points system works?

I would ft7 you but it would pretty much be theft.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 11:03:56 am
If I am sitting back and not helping the team, then why am I at the top of the leaderboard in a majority of the pictures. I'm obviously doing something other than punching people to death. Or is that not how the points system works?

I would ft7 you but it would be pretty much theft.

I'll be on NA3.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: ImElias on September 04, 2015, 11:05:46 am
Ok all those pictures you posted provide nothing for concrete punishment. All it is are pictures of me and KhyMe top fragging every map and dueling it out sometimes. I'm sorry That trying your hardest and wrecking everybody on the server every round is mandatory. If you really want to end supposed long fair fights after rounds you should get in the duel server and learn to take on highly skilled players.

Your current argument aims to punish players for doing well. If a knight wants to fight another with a dagger or fists to make it a fair fight. That is their damn decision. That's an alpha's way of ending the round.

As for the previous ban threads. I have already taken my day ban and have never laid hands on teammates after that. I honestly don't see your point. Those threads are irrelevant

It goes without saying, the team chemistry you guys possess is astounding. I was literally unable to respond in many 1v2's. However, the moment I got you guys in 1v1 I put you in the ground.  But again, this was 12am CST and you guys were the only organized team players at this time. Big whoop.

These same tactics were used several times while people were wounded, disbanded, and playing solo towards the end. Two full health players vs a wounded player? I guess Alpha's lead from the corner and are there for the bout after everything is dead. Seriously, brah. You're over compensating and it's embarrassing to read.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: chesterotab on September 04, 2015, 11:10:14 am
i'm commander shepard, and this is the worst fucking thread on the website.

well done schoi
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Skrubb on September 04, 2015, 11:13:34 am
It goes without saying, the team chemistry you guys possess is astounding. I was literally unable to respond in many 1v2's. However, the moment I got you guys in 1v1 I put you in the ground.  But again, this was 12am CST and you guys were the only organized team players at this time. Big whoop.

These same tactics were used several times while people were wounded, disbanded, and playing solo towards the end. Two full health players vs a wounded player? I guess Alpha's lead from the corner and are there for the bout after everything is dead. Seriously, brah. You're over compensating and it's embarrassing to read.

1v1? You and your pole arm Kutt goons came at me 1v5 like a gat outa hell every round. I was bobbin' and weavin' slicin' through you guys like a hot knife through butter. After finishing that small appetizer.,I had to get some dagger fights in with real players to fill me up. And you want to be the main meal but you're just not there yet man. I'm sorry I can't help you with that. NA 3 for maybe a couple months. Oh wait. You killed the population in that server too. Whoops  :wink:
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 11:14:14 am
i'm commander shepard, and this is the worst fucking thread on the website.

well done schoi

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Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Mae. on September 04, 2015, 11:14:59 am
this is starting to feel like the "i use to own him as cav" thread, go take a breather schoi and sofa lol
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Schoi on September 04, 2015, 11:16:29 am
this is starting to feel like the "i use to own him as cav" thread, go take a breather schoi and sofa lol

I'm just waiting for another admin, like Jeade.

I'm also waiting in NA3, for free money.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Nightingale on September 04, 2015, 11:19:31 am
I read the first page and I'm not going to bother to read it any further; A few things I'm gonna make note of;

Khmer it doesn't help your situation to berate anyone right now; Secondly Jeade has stated that he not only warned multiple times but even kicked before resorting to banning those that were not heeding the multiple signs that were given to "hint" at this behavior being unacceptable.

Mae; A message to cmp will do absolutely nothing. He might read laugh at and probably give you a fancy title for thinking it will accomplish anything. The person to message for this type of thing would be Artyem currently as he is head admin of NA.

Skrubb;within the past 2 weeks I've warn'ed and banned you via the forums multiple times.

Jeade; fair to note that it is impossible to be unbiased, everyone is.

I'm going to lock this thread as everything we need to see has already been said and anything more will probably result in forum warnings/mutes and or other things from the forum moderators.

Just for clarification this is what I would have done if present in the server at the time this was taking place: You can use this as justification of the ban if you would like.

I would have warned maybe once if not started out with kicks; Especially with Nae_ involved which has been warned multiple times by me recently. I wouldn't have warned for using daggers or avoiding combat but the end of the round crap has to stop right now. No one wants to watch you and your friends lollygagging around I would have let this happen till someone complained about it as IK fun is fun until fun is ruined for someone else.

After ignoring my first warnings/kicks I would have promptly banned those not cooperating for at least 7 days (with the option of unban early if I felt you deserved it.) and I wouldn't care if another admin looked over my work or how many developers you messaged. You behave like a child you will be treated like one.

Sorry if this offends anyone but The ban is justified and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it, if anything it is a little bit lenient.

I'm leaving Jeade to decide What is to be done warning/ban wise on Schoi's thread.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on September 05, 2015, 06:41:06 pm
It doesn't matter if you have the top score and you are helping your team during the round; delaying is delaying. If you are doing it over and over you will be asked to stop. If you don't, you get banned.

We aren't vile powerhungry grudgelords. You broke the rules. The end.
Title: Re: Brocoding, dagger duels.
Post by: Jeade on September 06, 2015, 04:21:00 am
Alright, so it's back to me.

There were a few things covered in the original ban request that I responded to in game that night and here on the forums.
Being a bad player, I'd die relatively quickly and spectate the people Schoi listed in this thread.
That night, I never noticed anyone hanging back and waiting for their team to die so they could dagger fight on the flag.
What I did see was people playing defensively and as a team. I can't knock them for that.

I went over and talked with Sauce and Mae in TS right after this thread was posted the other night and was able to hear a bit of their perspective.
Mae explained what I already knew: they were playing as a team, and people who play as a team are much more likely to do more damage and survive longer.
So, that's fine.

What I did find unacceptable were the dagger fights which unnecessarily delayed rounds.
Now, yes, they were fighting and using weapons, but that's not the point I'm concerned about.
Say you're in a game with a horse archer carrying three quivers of +3 Arrows or whatever, and he's always going to be out of your reach.
You're the last alive in full plate, and the horse archer will come nowhere near you.
Instead, the horse archer the spends a minute or two plinking at you with his 5PD, doing effectively nothing.
Yes, he is fighting, but he's also holding up 20 other people unnecessarily. That's my point here.
If it happened once, twice, or maybe three times, whatever, but when it's every round for multiple maps, it gets out of hand and people get annoyed.
Frankly, I don't think it's really my place to step in and demand that the dagger fighting stops.
What I do think--and what I was hoping for that night--is that a warning and a couple kicks would have been enough to get people to hurry it along.
Instead of banning people for dagger fighting in plate, I'd much rather just ask that you be conscientious of the others in server.
It's not worth banning players for something so minuscule, and that's why I didn't ban anyone that night.
So, instead, please be considerate of the other people you're playing with.
Granted, if this sort of thing continues, expect warnings, kicks, or worse.
A random few dagger fights are fun and not a problem, but if they continue for round after round after round, it becomes grievous.

Whiskey and KhyMe were banned, but this was unrelated to this thread.
Those bans should have expired this morning at midnight PST.