Door HP bug

[zagibu]

I know, this is probably a native problem, but it seems that everytime a map loads, in the first round, all doors have very low HP, probably because it is scaled with playercount and the round starts as 1 vs 1. This is a big problem on siege, as some maps are very easy to take in the first round by simply cutting open the most direct way to the flag.

If the door HP is scaled with a python script, it should be easy to implement a 10 sec delay or something. I'm going to dig through the scripts a bit, but maybe some dev already knows the exact place where it could be inserted?

[Digglez]

I'd love to see this fixed as it really fucks game balance on siege maps.  There are certain maps that is pretty much guaranteed loss if you are defense first round

[Cyclopsided]

Door HP increases every round.

Siege towers progressively get taller between ramp to platform, causing jumping to be harder and harder, up until outright impossible on some maps.
As far as i Know, it is some weird game engine glitch.

[zagibu]

I think I have found the correct location in module_scripts.py:

Line 8189 onwards

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  #script_initialize_objects
  # INPUT: none
  # OUTPUT: none
  ("initialize_objects",
   [
     (assign, ":number_of_players", 0),
     (get_max_players, ":num_players"),
     (try_for_range, ":player_no", 0, ":num_players"),
       (player_is_active, ":player_no"),
       (val_add, ":number_of_players", 1),
     (try_end),

     #1 player = (Sqrt(1) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1200, 1800 (minimum)
     #4 player = (Sqrt(4) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1400, 2100
     #9 player = (Sqrt(9) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1600, 2400
     #16 player = (Sqrt(16) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1800, 2700 (general used)
     #25 player = (Sqrt(25) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2000, 3000 (average)
     #36 player = (Sqrt(36) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2200, 3300
     #49 player = (Sqrt(49) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2400, 3600
     #64 player = (Sqrt(49) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2600, 3900

     (set_fixed_point_multiplier, 100),
     (val_mul, ":number_of_players", 100),
     (store_sqrt, ":number_of_players", ":number_of_players"),
     (val_sub, ":number_of_players", 100),
     (val_max, ":number_of_players", 0),
     (store_mul, ":effect_of_number_of_players", ":number_of_players", 2),
     (store_add, ":health_catapult", multi_minimum_target_health, ":effect_of_number_of_players"),     
     (store_mul, ":health_trebuchet", ":health_catapult", 15), #trebuchet's health is 1.5x of catapult's     
     (val_div, ":health_trebuchet", 10),
     (store_mul, ":health_sally_door", ":health_catapult", 18), #sally door's health is 1.8x of catapult's     
     (val_div, ":health_sally_door", 10),
     (store_mul, ":health_sally_door_double", ":health_sally_door", 2),

     (assign, "$g_number_of_targets_destroyed", 0),
     
     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_catapult_destructible"),
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_catapult_destructible", ":cur_instance"),     
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_catapult"),
     (try_end),   

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_trebuchet_destructible"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_trebuchet_destructible", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_trebuchet"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_e_sally_door_a"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_e_sally_door_a", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),
     
     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_f_sally_door_a"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_f_sally_door_a", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_earth_sally_gate_left"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_earth_sally_gate_left", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_double"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_earth_sally_gate_right"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_earth_sally_gate_right", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_double"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_left"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_left", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),     

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_right"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_right", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),     

     (store_div, ":health_sally_door_div_3", ":health_sally_door", 3),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_f_door_a"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_f_door_a", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_div_3"),
     (try_end),     

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_f_door_b"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_f_door_b", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_div_3"),
     (try_end),     
     ]),

Now my python is kinda rusty, but wouldn't it be possible to simply do a 10 sec delay at the start of the script OR change the min amount of health?

[zagibu]

Ok, I've tried to fix the issue by always assuring a virtual playercount of at least 32. This means that if less players play than 32, it will be a bit harder for them to cut through than it should, and during the first round of a map with more than 32 players, it will be a bit easier, but not as easy as before. I know, it's not perfect, but I don't know how to introduce a delay in the calculations.

Changes line 12-15 (the try_begin until try_end block)

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  #script_initialize_objects
  # INPUT: none
  # OUTPUT: none
  ("initialize_objects",
   [
     (assign, ":number_of_players", 0),
     (get_max_players, ":num_players"),
     (try_for_range, ":player_no", 0, ":num_players"),
       (player_is_active, ":player_no"),
       (val_add, ":number_of_players", 1),
     (try_end),

     (try_begin),
       (lt, ":number_of_players, 32),
       (assign, ":number_of_players", 32),
     (try_end),

     #1 player = (Sqrt(1) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1200, 1800 (minimum)
     #4 player = (Sqrt(4) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1400, 2100
     #9 player = (Sqrt(9) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1600, 2400
     #16 player = (Sqrt(16) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 1800, 2700 (general used)
     #25 player = (Sqrt(25) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2000, 3000 (average)
     #36 player = (Sqrt(36) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2200, 3300
     #49 player = (Sqrt(49) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2400, 3600
     #64 player = (Sqrt(49) - 1) * 200 + 1200 = 2600, 3900

     (set_fixed_point_multiplier, 100),
     (val_mul, ":number_of_players", 100),
     (store_sqrt, ":number_of_players", ":number_of_players"),
     (val_sub, ":number_of_players", 100),
     (val_max, ":number_of_players", 0),
     (store_mul, ":effect_of_number_of_players", ":number_of_players", 2),
     (store_add, ":health_catapult", multi_minimum_target_health, ":effect_of_number_of_players"),     
     (store_mul, ":health_trebuchet", ":health_catapult", 15), #trebuchet's health is 1.5x of catapult's     
     (val_div, ":health_trebuchet", 10),
     (store_mul, ":health_sally_door", ":health_catapult", 18), #sally door's health is 1.8x of catapult's     
     (val_div, ":health_sally_door", 10),
     (store_mul, ":health_sally_door_double", ":health_sally_door", 2),

     (assign, "$g_number_of_targets_destroyed", 0),
     
     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_catapult_destructible"),
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_catapult_destructible", ":cur_instance"),     
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_catapult"),
     (try_end),   

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_trebuchet_destructible"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_trebuchet_destructible", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_trebuchet"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_e_sally_door_a"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_e_sally_door_a", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),
     
     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_f_sally_door_a"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_f_sally_door_a", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_earth_sally_gate_left"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_earth_sally_gate_left", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_double"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_earth_sally_gate_right"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_earth_sally_gate_right", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_double"),
     (try_end),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_left"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_left", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),     

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_right"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_viking_keep_destroy_sally_door_right", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door"),
     (try_end),     

     (store_div, ":health_sally_door_div_3", ":health_sally_door", 3),

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_f_door_a"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_f_door_a", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_div_3"),
     (try_end),     

     (scene_prop_get_num_instances, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop", "spr_castle_f_door_b"),     
     (try_for_range, ":cur_instance", 0, ":num_instances_of_scene_prop"),
       (scene_prop_get_instance, ":cur_instance_id", "spr_castle_f_door_b", ":cur_instance"),
       (prop_instance_get_starting_position, pos0, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_stop_animating, ":cur_instance_id"),
       (prop_instance_set_position, ":cur_instance_id", pos0),
       (prop_instance_enable_physics, ":cur_instance_id", 1),
       (scene_prop_set_hit_points, ":cur_instance_id", ":health_sally_door_div_3"),
     (try_end),     
     ]),


[zagibu]

So what do the devs think of the fix? Is it reasonable? If so, can it be incorporated in the mod?

[polkafranzi]

bump, this needs looking at

[Jacko]

Nice  job, definitely needs looking in to. Never realized that was the cause, I just figured my weapon had a good day..

[zagibu]

Yeah, unfortunately, it seems the devs are not aware of this. I've tried to get their attention in IRC, to no avail.

[zagibu]

Bumping again in the hope some dev might see it.

[VVarlord]

I thought it was due to if the server has a minimal ammount of people on which it does in the first few seconds of a new map the server gives the doors etc minimal ammount.

So if the seige server is quiet 10 v 10 it is possible to still break through doors.

[Bulzur]

No attacker can come to a door in less than 7sec on any siege map. And during thoses 7seconds after the first guy join, there's sometimes dozens of players who arrive.
The way it is, being a defender on the first round of a map is very hard. You can easily loose your well-earned multi, even when your team plays good. I did saw defenders win first round mind you. But it's rare.

[zagibu]

I thought it was due to if the server has a minimal ammount of people on which it does in the first few seconds of a new map the server gives the doors etc minimal ammount.

So if the seige server is quiet 10 v 10 it is possible to still break through doors.

Yeah, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work right. The calculations should be delayed for at least 3 seconds, and it should include spectators in the playercount. But it doesn't seem to. Which is why all doors have ridiculously low HP in the first round on any map. Which means you can't really build siege maps that rely on doors, or you have to make them defender biased in general to offset the almost-certainly-lost first round.

My fix would ensure a minimum health of all doors equal to the health they would have at 32 players. Still low, but better than the current situation. I think it could already help on some maps, like e.g. Holmet Castle, which has three gates that must be broken (on the direct route), and still the first round is mostly lost by def because attackers just cut down those three gates in under three minutes.

Ideally, there would be a better fix for the problem, of course.

[Digglez]

BUMP FOR JUSTICE

[POOPHAMMER]

Almost 3 months later and the devs have yet to even respond