Weapon attack speed and proficiency and not agility

[Torp]

I still think agi is very important in fighting. The time taken by a complete slash, miss and recovery is probably not much dependent on agi, but what about the feinting speed, the blocking speed... Alas those values are way harder to measure.

this, agi might not affect the attack speed, but how often do you attack many times in a row?
The most important thing is the time it takes from you release your block till yu hit your opponent, and the feinting speed is very important, too.
If agi affects those things, it is still very important, not only for the wm

[Mak33]

Kudos to  WaltF4. Thanks for the research and findings. 

[LLJK_Korea1]

+1
Thanks for this Walt, I guess the devs are now a bit smarter. They should recruit you do their math.


Welp, off to reroll my 20 agi..

[Tigerclaw]

I'm thinking Walt's an engineer or something in real life...

Solid work, good analysis. +1

[corto]

the feinting speed, the blocking speed..harder to measure.

and those are the ones where i can still feel an impact of weight in attackspeed. if i put on my platearmor (normal armor is below 5 weight) i can hardly use my club. it feels like using a Great Maul from horseback but its my 100 speed club.

[Rhaelys]

For example, players can turn while slashing to increase or decrease the rate at which the weapon will advance. It should be noted that turning does not change the duration of the attack animation, which is what I am reporting on, but can change the point in the animation sequence that a hit will be registered. If agility affects the rate at which a player can turn, either directly or indirectly through athletics, it might explain the experiences of some of the posters.

You bring up an interesting point Walt. Even if Agility has no significant impact on attack speed, it's not necessarily a green light for everybody to convert their Agility-heavy builds to Strength-heavy builds.

Also, the inability to turn as quickly as your opponent is a major disadvantage in combat, especially if your opponent has high Agility and Athletics, as he or she will be able to move and turn faster, essentially running circles around you. Not to get this fantastic thread off-topic, but it's important to note that Agility is not just about the rate at which you can swing your weapon.

[Boss_Awesome]

Wow, so my 15/24 build looks like total fail.  Thanks for the research WaltF4, gonna have to redo my build as soon as i can retire.

[Gorath]

Also, the inability to turn as quickly as your opponent is a major disadvantage in combat

That's entirely dependant on player skill and reaction speed.  I can spin my mouse to keep a target in front of me just as fast with a 3 agi, 0 ath peasant as I can with a 15/24 level 30 character.  This is part of what makes crush through so effective.

[Rhaelys]

That's entirely dependant on player skill and reaction speed.  I can spin my mouse to keep a target in front of me just as fast with a 3 agi, 0 ath peasant as I can with a 15/24 level 30 character.  This is part of what makes crush through so effective.

I definitely notice turning ability when I have my normal armor set on (Banded Armor, Mail Gauntlets, etc) at 1 athletics versus 5+ athletics.

[Banok]

so i have 2 chars 1 is 29/12 other is 9/30

both 0 wpf in polearms testing quarterstaff on duelserver. there is defo a difference.

main thing I notice which is hard to describe and seems like a bug is my weapon gets stuck in block alot or just stuck generally on my str char. I get is occassionally in battle mode with my 2h weap but here i was getting it in like every duel. its like being stunned but its defo not a stun.

[Cup1d]

WaltF4
Mate, thank you for your time. Interesting info.
Can you in your next testing do some experiments with two builds:

1. 0 wpf. 15 agi. 15 str. 0 ps.
and
2. 0 wpf. 15 agi. 15 str. 5 ps.

Maybe PS do some role in weapon speed too?

[NuberT]

I did some testing by myself: Both testruns were made in full gothic plate with long maul. I made overheads for 60 sec.

Build 1:                                     

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 21
    * Agility: 18

    * Converted: 8
    * Ironflesh: 3
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 1
    * Athletics: 6
    * Weapon Master: 6

    * Polearm: 154

Build 2:

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 21
    * Agility: 21

    * Converted: 14
    * Ironflesh: 2
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 1
    * Athletics: 7

    * Polearm: 111

Did 3 runs with every build. (The numbers are overheads/minute)
Nr.  Build 1  Build 2
1    43         43
2    44         43
3    45         44

But I cant decide which one is better in the end..

[_Tak_]

We need to make a sticky with ALL of Walt Analysis Posts in it, an official "Walt" thread.

Seriously.

all the walt's post should be all put in guides for easier searching

[Zerran]

We need to make a sticky with ALL of Walt Analysis Posts in it, an official "Walt" thread.

Seriously.

Why has this not been done yet? I have to search through the forums every time I want to link one of his tests. These are invaluable, yet they aren't stickied. His tests have seriously changed how I play and my skill point choices. 

[Froto_the_Loc]

WPF makes me swing faster?

Had no idea.