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{BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« on: December 22, 2011, 09:15:32 pm »
Hello, I was on battle and Ricky, the leader of LoC started team wounding me and my teammate n spawn. Here are some screenshots:

*Notice my health, its below half and im not even out of spawn yet!*

http://i44.tinypic.com/alj406.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/rqxjb4.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/23tniw.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/ak90ms.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/59oh3.jpg

I believe he should be banned longer than the usual ban is, I believe this is his second offense, as he was banned before.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21769.0.html




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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 09:25:39 pm »
So you're still in spawn over a minute after the round starts, you're completely naked and all you have is a hammer? It looks like he got mad at you for leeching, then started teamwounding.
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 09:44:44 pm »
He is a naked peasant, but I don't think that means people should TW him. 

It is annoying to take damage from punches, but you can easily avoid the dmg by putting your hands up to block or perhaps moving?

This thread is a bit of a whine-thread.

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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 09:57:51 pm »
I just retired and im level 12.....

So treble, you think I should just block and not report any of this? How is this a whine thread when I'm trying to report someone who was blatantly team wounding me in spawn??
« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 10:01:42 pm by agile »

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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 10:03:18 pm »
So you're still in spawn over a minute after the round starts, you're completely naked and all you have is a hammer? It looks like he got mad at you for leeching, then started teamwounding.

Having a weapon and being nude doesn't constitute leeching. Otherwise, we'd ban a hell of a lot more players.

In addition, the pictures are in reverse order. Rickey was TWing him for 1 minute.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 10:04:22 pm by Lt_Anders »
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 02:07:36 am »
Having a weapon and being nude doesn't constitute leeching. Otherwise, we'd ban a hell of a lot more players.

In addition, the pictures are in reverse order. Rickey was TWing him for 1 minute.
I never said he was leeching, but I did imply that people don't start teamwounding and punching one or two guys spontaneously. Therefore, the punching most likely started because he thought you were leeching.

Now don't get your panties in a bunch here, read what I have actually stated. I'm not saying teamwounding is acceptable and I'm not saying you were in fact leeching, but considering the situation, I don't believe any action should be taken here.
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 02:25:30 am »
I never said he was leeching, but I did imply that people don't start teamwounding and punching one or two guys spontaneously. Therefore, the punching most likely started because he thought you were leeching.

Now don't get your panties in a bunch here, read what I have actually stated. I'm not saying teamwounding is acceptable and I'm not saying you were in fact leeching, but considering the situation, I don't believe any action should be taken here.

Hmm....I think you aren't enforcing game rules.

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No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling during a round

Clear evidence of it, and you are just saying No action taken for twing. In pictures rickey also punches and attacks the other guy 2. Clear rule breaking.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 02:42:11 am by Lt_Anders »
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 02:58:21 am »
Yeaahh.. It wasn't just Agile shown being attacked here. Also, he wasn't only punching/kicking people.

In this picture he posted he actually swung his weapon at that guy, granted it was blocked, with the combination of the rest of these screenshots it certainly seems as if he went a bit loco.
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This is a clear display of TW.. I am not so certain there should be a ban/he should get an extended ban for repeat offense, but there is clearly evidence of TWing.

Also, I believe TKing/TWing leechers is still against the rules.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 03:02:43 am by Voso »
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 03:13:43 am »
How about throwing some common sense in here. For teamwounding (especially by punching and neither victim dying), he would only receive a warning to begin with(assuming an admin was in the server but didn't directly see it). Yet you want to get him banned for something that he did in one(1) round? Call me crazy, but I thought bans weren't supposed to be used for minor infractions.

You're wanting me to ban someone for a single, minor infraction, based on only one side of the story?

I could have locked this thread but I chose to leave it open so that other administrators could weigh in. Yet why haven't they? My guess would be, based on how fast these things normally get handled, that they don't think anything should be done. You don't just ban someone for a minor infraction, especially when you try to take his perspective into account.

No administrator was on and he most likely thought of Agile as leeching. Obviously he shouldn't have taken things into his own hands and started TWing, if he thought you were leeching he should have taken a screen shot and made a thread here like you.

My point is, if Agile was truly participating to his fullest capabilities, I doubt that this situation would have played out anything like it did. Spawning naked and with a useless weapon like a hammer, is one of those things that is borderline leeching. We've had a discussion about it in the admin thread for example:
3. Seriously... someone is considered not leeching if they spawn naked with just rocks or a long dagger? This is patently absurd to me. The point of the rule of spawning with a weapon is to encourage people to contribute to the battle and not leech, but I feel like the spirit of this rule has been lost.
3. Leeching can be pretty difficult to gauge sometimes, the lines are really blurred. I just try to remember that at the end of the day, active leeching(as opposed to just being afk) is almost entirely harmless. As long as there's some sort of participation, what's the harm in it, really?

In this picture he posted he actually swung his weapon at that guy, granted it was blocked, with the combination of the rest of these screenshots it certainly seems as if he went a bit loco.
(click to show/hide)

This is a clear display of TW.. I am not so certain there should be a ban/he should get an extended ban for repeat offense, but there is clearly evidence of TWing.

Also, I believe TKing/TWing leechers is still against the rules.
Are you guys really suggesting that I never stated he was, in fact, teamwounding?
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 03:16:28 am by Tydeus »
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 03:27:55 am »
As one of the screenshots has the timer at 6:37 only about 20 seconds has passed the round, so its not likely he thought I was leeching.

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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 03:30:33 am »
In one of the pictures Ricky was also caught trying to team wound another player, who apparently wasn't leeching, and wasn't naked. Ricky isn't  "new" any longer either, so he knows to not team wound but did it regardless. This is why I believe he should either receive a stern warning or a one day ban.
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 03:31:42 am »
I hate team wounders and if I were admin I'd ban intentional TW'ing on sight. However, in this specific case... a naked peasant with just a hammer getting punched doesn't equate to a ban, def a warning then kick though. Pretty douchy of him to punch a peasant though. Tough call.

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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 03:34:00 am »
Like Arys said he also was trying to swing his weapon at my teammate that blocked it. As I providing a link above he has also had a previous ban. I believe action should be taken.

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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 03:56:50 am »
And sadly, because the swing was blocked, you can't really conclude that his intention was to teamkill, let alone actually hit the guy. He probably had his swing held until the guy brought up his block. What I do know though, is that were ricky out to actually kill him with his melee weapon, he could have easily done it, but he didn't. Yadda yadda innocent until proven guilty, benefit of the doubt yadda yadda.

I sent him a warning via PM on the forums. I'm pretty sure this is the first time a retroactive warning has been issued for something in game. Anything more and you'll have to somehow find an admin that would actually believe he deserves a more severe punishment (most likely not going to happen. I mean, this thread has been up for how many hours now?).

Edit: I assumed that, that wasn't your first round spawning without armor and with only a hammer, so the round timer thing is a moot point. He probably thought you were leeching both due to your equipment as well as previous round behavior.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 04:01:01 am by Tydeus »
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Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2011, 04:59:47 am »
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