1h cav stab seems fast

[Zisa]

I blame the crapo lance radius for the current crop of even more cowardly cav - most now gravitate towards 1h, and have obviously discovered bump stab. Aside from the usual bump slash which was dirty enough (or bump miss, turn around, bump repeat).

Irritants:
It seems faster then an unmounted 1 h stab.

Hitting the horse in the face does not help - horse does not flinch, nor does rider who just stabs you in the face.

Silly stab through horse's neck (since warband beta) does not help either.

[Patricia]

Let's not forget the great lance's reach that the 1h stab on horseback has.

[Diomedes]

I've noticed the speed thing too.  I don't have enough experience with it to know what's actually going on (e.g. is the model outpacing the animation?  is the sword actually reaching that far?  etc.) but it does come off as inhumanly fast in many cases.  It's also frustrating as heck to fight 1h cav on Destriers now since Destriers aren't 1-hit, and they always get a lightning follow-up strike.

So:
1.  We need to know what's going on here
- quite important in this is whether or not its increased speed gives the stab a substantial speed bonus as well, regardless of the horse's speed
2.  We need to know precisely which weapons it affects
- does this apply to only pure 1-handed swords or 2-handers used as 1-handers as well?
- does this apply to ALL 1-handed swords?
3.  We need to know whether it's balanced

[Zisa]

3. trick question right?

[Spawny]

It's also frustrating as heck to fight 1h cav on Destriers now since Destriers aren't 1-hit, and they always get a lightning follow-up strike.

Yeah, 1h cav players shouldn't be allowed on a horse that needs more than 1 hit to go down! BOO!!!

NERF!!!!

Pro tip:
Downblock+jump to the side. As you would when facing lancer cav.

[Casimir]

1h thrust from horseback has always been strange, but 1h cav is far from OP

[Penitent]

OH god, please don't nerf cav more/again.

[Diomedes]

Yeah, 1h cav players shouldn't be allowed on a horse that needs more than 1 hit to go down! BOO!!!

NERF!!!!

Pro tip:
Downblock+jump to the side. As you would when facing lancer cav.

I don't mean to say it's OP, just that it's irregular.  As a shielder I can't block incoming attacks immediately, especially if they're as fast as these cav-stabs.  Regular lancers are more straightforward because of their very limited area of attack.  Cav-stabbers, though, can attack faster than lances and within a far wider angle.  This is where it's uncommonly difficult for me.  This is one of the things which prompted #3 in my first post.

I don't intend to avoid the enemy but to kill them.

[Digglez]

#1 NA 1h'er Cav here...

Its not a bump stab, its a stab bump.  Your stab hits BEFORE the person is bumped.  If you sat there and downblocked you would only take charge dmg from the horse or you could just jump away while downblocking just like lances.

Its quite balanced, because if you miss your stab (which isnt that hard) you are completely defenseless.  I have died countless times missing my target.

This stab attack is an actual equalizer for 1h cav.  It is the only attack I use against an aware and READY victim, and it is also a target of last resort...due to how risky it is, you are much better finding another target or someone to bump for teammates.

Lancers get couching, 1h get frontal stabs. 

Dont change a thing.

[Dezilagel]

#1 NA 1h'er Cav here...

 

[BADPLAYERold]

#1 NA 1h'er Cav here...

Not even close.

[POOPHAMMER]

#1 NA 1h'er Cav in my own little mind...

Fixed

[Zisa]

#1 NA 1h'er Cav here...

Its not a bump stab, its a stab bump.  Your stab hits BEFORE the person is bumped.  If you sat there and downblocked you would only take charge dmg from the horse or you could just jump away while downblocking just like lances.

Its quite balanced, because if you miss your stab (which isnt that hard) you are completely defenseless.  I have died countless times missing my target.

This stab attack is an actual equalizer for 1h cav.  It is the only attack I use against an aware and READY victim, and it is also a target of last resort...due to how risky it is, you are much better finding another target or someone to bump for teammates.

Lancers get couching, 1h get frontal stabs. 

Dont change a thing.

Complete and utter shite, because as a so called last resort why do so many of them ride around with the stab cocked?

TW never fixed it because 1h cav were food for lancers. Now that you've managed to fuck lancers we have this shitty bump cav.

And yes, PROS know it is BUMP STAB, thus unblockable.

[Smoothrich]

#1 NA 1h'er Cav here...

I have died countless times missing my target.

Doesn't sound like #1 cav to me.

[BADPLAYERold]

Complete and utter shite, because as a so called last resort why do so many of them ride around with the stab cocked?

TW never fixed it because 1h cav were food for lancers. Now that you've managed to fuck lancers we have this shitty bump cav.

And yes, PROS know it is BUMP STAB, thus unblockable.

The 1handed thrust on horseback is actually different in CRPG than in native.
I think it is a pretty bullshit animation but lance cavalry is still just much much better than 1handed cav so it shouldn't be nerfed imo.